Where does everyone prefer the nose loop. Verical or horizontal. Do it make a difference. IMO I think putting the loop horizonal allows for bending the loop up or down. Swim deeper or shallower. Does this hold water?

i feel that there nothing to catch the water ifregardless if you put it up or down so i put it vertical..

The bassdozer article claims it does.

I fish with neeldles mostly, while i dont tune my needles it does matter and you can tune a needle to ride right.
you know when you have a perfect needle that will outfish others by how it goes on the cast.............

I put it vertical and the fish like it ,, Beachmaster puts it horrizontal . To me its a weighting thing ,and where its being fished. Mine are just sticks ,, I just do the rise, fall thing .. Others flatten sides on the nose and get them to wiggle .

.. Others flatten sides on the nose and get them to wiggle .

And there's the rub, what is the secret to a swimming needle?........I'm not sure it is the flats that make a needle swim. The best swimming needle I've fished is the smaller Spofford, which have no flats. The old three hook Gibbs swam as well. I got an idea it is the taper of the head/throat part of the plug in relation to the balance point (i.e., weighting scheme) that is the most important.

I like mine horizontal, I feel it makes a difference, I've made them both ways, the horizontal ones always outfish the verticle ones.. go figure.

tried both ways and settled on horizontal. needles don't need flat sides to swim- just the right shape and weighting.

Numbskulls right..
I find a tapered nose and some extra tail weight.. especially on longer needles..
sinks funny but wiggles nice

I like mine horizontal, I feel it makes a difference, I've made them both ways, the horizontal ones always outfish the verticle ones.. go figure.

I'll try it ,,, If horizontal does outfish vertical this is going to be a real stella year .., I'm catching like a bastagde now ,.

more weight aft creates an aft center of gravity so yes is becomes in a sense more uncontrolable but wiggles and swims better,,,,,