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This may seem like the ultimate newb question, but what is MOASS?

thanks

thanks, for clearing that up

Funny Karl but i've had my plugs finished by the end of december all they needed was epoxy.Life got in the way :bsod: but back on track again.:wave:

John Lennon said it best, " Life is what happens when your're busy making other plans"....

Personally, I think this "MOASS" thing robbed the site of a lot of new and intriguing designs where all the plug guys where concentrati8ng on making 30 plugs when they could have been doing a bunch of new and exciting stuff for all to see. Creativity took a back seat to some sort of plug greed.

The other sites plug forum has been way more interesting this winter and I belive this MOASS thing had a lot to do with it.

Maybe you think sharing is caring but we, as members of this site and specifically this forum, didn't benefit at all from this creatively.

Just my .02 cents.

10 swaps are nice ,,, 30 to much .. handful of guys and a handful of new builders kept the site going this year .. Its much better when people are creating rather than duplicating 30 .. That being said I'd sure love a set of those 30 ..

I see your point Steve but you forget, a couple of sets go to John, one for his use and the other to raffle off to help pay the bills. I see the swap as a way for builders to get plugs from their fellow builders and to give back to John. I'm sorry you feel the swap took away from the site.

Please explain this plug greed you talk about.

Personally, I do the SuperSwaps because I have a weird sense of mission. Something for the site and something to keep this swap alive. It has taken a life of it's own and it's fun. There's nothing else like it and I try to make a plug unique to the 'Swap. I think on down the road someone will post a "what's this?" thread and the answer will be "That's an '07MOASS by so and so" only 27 made.
I think that my posts of plugs have stayed on par with past years. Sooooo, where's yours?

As a participant, I think that MOASS will have a positive effect on the site due to the fact that building 30 has some unique challenges that cause the builders to come up with some creative ideas for jigs and other helpful devices. I know that for me, I have gained a lot of valuable experince and plan on sharing some ideas that were birthed from MOASS.

Just my .02

I agree with some of Flaps points and disagree with one in particular. For me it does take away from my new idea turning. I only have limited time to turn and and moass takes up all of it. It also makes me rush, and to be hones I am not happy with the way my swap plugs turned out. I have owed sporty guy plugs for two years and have just started to make a new batch. I want to get some plugs to karl for the sale and have ideas for an eel plug and others that I want to get to, but now only have a limited time to finish. In the spring I would rather fish than turn.

That being said, it is amazing to open the box and see the great plugs and amazing talent that is out there. I always enjoy catching a fish on a swap plug. So is it worth it, for me 50/50. Plugs vs the frustration of not making what I want/need.

I do not feel it is plug greed at all. John will benefit so we will benefit and the members will get to see 24 plugs all at once.

That is all , carry on.
Mark

It has been quiet in here this winter, and I think some of that was due to the swap.

If I was in it, I would not have been able to get to half of the stuff I did this winter. I added up all the plugs I made and it's only around 75-80 plugs, 1/2 of which will end up with my parter and my dad..

plug greed maybe a strong word but I think I have it ,, I'm a hoarder..

I really enjoyed not doing the swap this year but will miss the great creations. I will do it next year again if we have one. I needed a year off from the pressure. I did however make at least 150 plugs, but have been finishing them as I feel like it not because i had to and that is fun. I have just been too lazy and busy to post any pictures this year. I do also understand where Steve is coming from about the quiet in the forum too. Also a lot of the guys who used to post have gone commercial or retired.

I have no willpower to not do these swaps, sorry. I'm with tagger, I'm a hoader.
Some of us need motivation now that we have been building for years, how many plugs do I need? :doh:
I think the forum suffers a bit compared to over there because we don't get anywhere near as many new members starting to build plugs here as they do, that is only natural since they have like 15000 members.
I sometimes think we could use some help here in this plug forum with another moderator, suggestions:huh:
plug greed huh, who's talking Mr. Buy a plug every weekend at a tackle shop during the winter :rotflmao: :wiggle: fagetaboutit

Has anyone considered maybe doing a naked plug swap?

We've all got wire and grommets, and we all paint the colors schemes we like to use anyways. If we just swapped drilled blanks along with whatever lips and weights are needed for each plug in a little baggy, how much easier and less work would that be...

Maybe we'd each finish just a couple for the site, and ship the rest naked...

I'm sure like me, each of you make a plug that you know/think is your best plug. I like to learn what goes into each plug to make it work, and as much as I like fishing stuff from you guys, what I really want to know is what makes em tick. Getting a bunch of turned/drilled blanks along with whatever weights&lips are needed for each would actually be more interesting to me.

Some real good thought provoking posts.

I think there were alot more plug posts on last years swap, mainly because so much time was needed to build this year. Making 40 plugs to get down to the original 32 was a major undertaking for me, and i'm retired, let alone the guys that work and take care of their families.

I learned alot about my limitations, my eyes were bigger than my stomach :hihi:,enjoyed the commradere of the other swappers, and look forward to getting some plugs from guys i'd never get without the swap. I always learn from a new plug in hand, and some of the newer builders will too.All adds to learnin and experience.

Meantime, i feel the guys that always help the learnin process did their share of posting, along with the others mentioned that added alot to the forum. Thank you for your unselfishness. :btu:

Maybe next year if 30 or more guys wanted to swap it could be split up in groups of 10 by lottery or whatever to get a good mix of older and newer builders.

Thanks for all the time and work you do for the swaps Andy, :btu: and after building 30 plugs i gotta say, God Bless you commercial guys. :hihi:

Maybe "greed" was too strong, I do like the hoarding concept. Ha, I should know I only have 1100 or so hanging in the cellar from the floor joists, walls and shelves. Course I have been at it since I was 8 years old, so...... but 30 by a bunch of guys really kicked the sh!t out of the individual creativity thing and ramped up the boredom level of watching all those plugs being made but actually there are only 27 new plug ( or familiar) designs out of the 800 +/- plugs built.

I don't post many. I do make quite a few, tagger and Numby can attest to that. But I disdain the thought of a duplicator though I know it would make life easier, especially when you come up with a winner. Buit the test is to see how good you can get with the eye and calipers (which I hardly ever use) and make each one unique.

Everyone says I should sign my plugs. I don't do that either. I kinda like the mystery. Is it or isn't it? Hmmm....

Fred I would post up some more but my trusty dig camera has finally died and I am not shelling out 60 plus bucks for a Sony battery for a camera with 2001 technology and pixel strength.

Sorry if I disturbed anyone, just my thoughts.

Did I tell you about the rod and reel I caught today while trout fishing? almost brand new. Beats a Rainbow anyday.

Just bustin ya Flap, you know it's all good...60 bucks for a battery!!?? Man, 2 of those and you have a decent camera these days!

Another idea ....Keep MOASS open to only contributing members of the forum. If you want in hang out around here some more.:buds:

good stuff guys
diggin Jiggin, great idea

flap, you mean if I ever get a flaptail plug, that it won't have your signature on it? :(

to MOASS or not to MOASS
that is the question

Flap ,,, takes one to know one .. :btu:

lets be serious about this. You cant for one second think that folks have only been working on moass plugs since november. Thats just a dumb assumption :rotflmao: realistically I'd say that 70% on the board could knock out 40+ lures in a weekend. They just choose not to, and I probably wont again. You always get a few guys who join just to get lures and they put forth a minimum effort, while everyone goes balls out setting forth their best efforts.

And people have posted stuff since then, contributing to the board etc...

Ananlyze the problem from within yourself.

If you feel you're not getting something from the board you would like, take some initiative. To have it move in the direction you desire :bl:

Start an imitate this post: put up a baitfish have whoever wants to participate of their own free will join up and try to imitate it, give one week for the submissions to come in. That would get fresh ideas going and new things circulating.


Always always, present a problem with a solution ALWAYS. Folks may start to think you're all about whining and being negative if you dont present a possible solution :kewl: with your problem :)

nope 60 - 90+ hour work weeks and candi has two girls 7 and 10 karl. :bl: I just gave up on ever sleeping :)

I could never make 30 plugs the same with out a duplicator no matter how much time you gave me. I would not be pleased with the results if I tried. Any of you guys who do this stuff freehand are better builders than I am.:claps:

With the Vega, It takes about 2-3 hours to turn and sand 30 bodies. Lets say 4 hours because we really need to make 36 to make room for the bogeys that end up in the wood stove;)
Drilling (with hook, weight and eye holes) takes about 2 more hours.
Sealing the raw wood with epoxy takes about an hour. Priming 30 bodies takes about 15 minutes with a spray can. Painting takes as much time as you want depending on how nuts you want to get with undershading, interference colors, scaling, and sex paint but that's the fun part.
Wireing, glueing eyes, signing and epoxy sealing 30 plugs takes about 5 hours of actual work time. I give special props to Tagger 'cause hydro-orientating is an additional step taking more time.
I know that set up and clean up for each operation adds something on each end but, plug making is supposed to be fun. If it's not fun for you to make 30 plugs, it will quickly become work, and nothing kills fun (and productivity) faster than work!:wall:

Please don't get me wrong. I don't care if some of the guys are a little late. Truthfully, I expect it. Some guys will go 3 1/2 months and still be waiting for lips and swivels to come in the mail. I'd swap with any of you no matter how long it takes to finish.:love:
It just seems that we signed up for this in November and 4 months should be plenty of time to make 26 or 27 actual shipped plugs.
That said, I thank you all for taking part in this and I'm really looking forward to seeing, and fishing your plugs!

Hey Flap.
Why would you disdain a duplicator?? Useing a dupe does not make you any less of a craftsman.
You are still free to do all the freehand work and new designs to your hearts content. The only time a dupe really comes into play is to save time and improve consistency when you need to do the assembly line thing. It should never thwart your creativity or hinder your skills with a gouge and skew. It's just a tool like any jig or fixture.


Patrick aka Digger

Hoarder is such a harsh Sounding word....I prefer Collector, That way I can refer to my Garage as "The Gallery".

and if you strive to be the best Plug Ho you can be then how can you let the opportunity to get 26 hand-crafted beauties go by without participating....:hee:

Plus its a lot of fun participating in it, or even watching it. Guys that did it last year are having fun reminding those that are in it this year that the clock is ticking...TICK TOCK TICK TOCK.

And the guys in it are enjoying talking back and forth on there progress (or lack of) on how things are going.....

Now we need to get going on the "I need to get MOASS" Bumper stickers :D

Hey Vic, would you like to be a moderator here? we could use the help, I can arrange it with John I'm sure.

If no one objects sure :hidin: