Here is a video of a Van Staal rep showing the proper way to use the manual pickup. Note that he say's, "move the line roller to the 8 o'clock position."

Well, maybe I'm a "nit picker" but that roller is not at 8 o'clock. Viewing from butt to tip, that would be the 10 o'clock, or from tip to butt would be the 2 o'clock.

The only way to make that 8 o'clock would be if you held the reel as a conventional (top of the rod).

Oh well, he got everything else right. :splat: :cputin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhyuTVvT1Kc

its also on the salwater edge website

Very cool use of a free source.
How long till there's some shots of the moon on there..:D

On the manual bail I learned a neat trick I cannot wait to try next season..When fishing a needle fish to keep tension on the line so to prevent wind knots.Stick ur pointer finger out an just let the line tick ur fingernail as it winds onto the spool.I was told it just puts enough tension on the line to wrap it tight enough to prevent the blow-ups.
Seems like it might work anyone else do this..

From the position he's looking from, with the reel foot at 6:00, the roller does look to be at 8:00.

From the position he's looking from, with the reel foot at 6:00, the roller does look to be at 8:00.

I guess I see the reel foot as being at 12 o'clock (being at the top and not the bottom (which would be 6 o'clock)). Just a matter of perception I guess.

Very cool use of a free source.
How long till there's some shots of the moon on there..:D

On the manual bail I learned a neat trick I cannot wait to try next season..When fishing a needle fish to keep tension on the line so to prevent wind knots.Stick ur pointer finger out an just let the line tick ur fingernail as it winds onto the spool.I was told it just puts enough tension on the line to wrap it tight enough to prevent the blow-ups.
Seems like it might work anyone else do this..


great, now I need to get a manicure to fish with NIB because he'll be looking @ my fingernails:uhoh:

:buds: no this is the proper way:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e55ortiS-Js


:cheers:

Looks like Rob got the better rock..

Looks like Rob got the better rock..


To some degree it's the only rock. The one next to him is deceptively hard to stay up on...

I guess I see the reel foot as being at 12 o'clock (being at the top and not the bottom (which would be 6 o'clock)). Just a matter of perception I guess.

I'm just used to looking at things in an upside down sort of way.

Pardon my ignorance but the trouble I have always had was that post cast the line is not always reachable by the top hand. If what I understand he is saying is that post cast if your hand is gripping the stem you should always be able to bring the line (smoothly) in with your finger so that it is picked up by the bail. Correct?

I you don't know how to use one, or can't figure it out on your own, you shouldn't be buying one in the first place :rollem:

It ain't exactly rocket science :wall:

Pardon my ignorance but the trouble I have always had was that post cast the line is not always reachable by the top hand. If what I understand he is saying is that post cast if your hand is gripping the stem you should always be able to bring the line (smoothly) in with your finger so that it is picked up by the bail. Correct?

I think the idea if you keep the line roller at 8 o'clock (which I think of as being 10 o'clock (see earlier comment) on the cast, the line is always easy to pickup. Also note that there is no 'bail' but just a line roller on the model he's demonstrating.

Know what I wish someone would make a "how to video" for? Those damn snoopy rods....gosh I just cant figure out that push button reel......

I you don't know how to use one, or can't figure it out on your own, you shouldn't be buying one in the first place :rollem:

It ain't exactly rocket science :wall:

Neither is proofreading but thanks all for the help anyway.

Wasn't directed at you personally.

Just an observation that before anyone spends close to 7 portraits of Franklin on equipment, they should have an idea of how to use it, and not have to watch a video, that's all.

I think if you said "Pardon my bloody ignorance" Mike P would of let that slide. :jester:

have a pint :cheers: and don't be so sensitive.

No offense taken. All jibes taken in the spirit they were given - good fun.

i know that rock.. I think. somewhere in gansett?

Think low tide, ALL the way out, off a "rockpile" in Newport.

Next stop Block Island...

It’s a simple thing – really. Handle down spool out. In Greg’s video his handle is up a little too high for my liking. When the handle is all they down the spool is all the way out, and you have less of a chance of your handle turning all the way around a few times and having your roller catch the line. Hand placement does not matter, as long as your index finger is about even with the spool. It should not be too high or too low. I have small hands and put four fingers above the stem when casting. I would not worry about where the roller is. When placing it from the spool to roller keep the line between the roller and spool tight and you will have no problems. Handle down spool out is also true for the 706z. If your handle is down, but your spool is in, try putting a couple of washes in the handle, until you have handle down spool out. It is very important, especially in a crosswind. NIB—YEP the “ finger trick” will save you much hard ache.

I you don't know how to use one, or can't figure it out on your own, you shouldn't be buying one in the first place :rollem:

It ain't exactly rocket science :wall:

LMAO yep:think:

I guess I'd have to say I'm a little surprised by some of the responses.

A very common request I get via email is to NOT assume that our customers know everything and to not ignore basics when it comes to how to videos and articles. This video, and many of the others, are in response to that.

Hopefully there won't be a issue with "how to tie a leader" because there's going to be one and more. I get that request several times a day during the summer. People want to know. Same for how to use a manual bail. Constant stream of requests. I guess being in a shop every day I'm just more aware of it.

We all started as newbie anglers at some point...

[QUOTE=Pete_G;484964]I guess I'd have to say I'm a little surprised by some of the responses.
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Pete, looking at it from a different point of view I feel a little bad about my comment and apologize if I offended anyone. Lord knows I have asked my share of questions. However, I admit I couldnt believe this would need explaining! I was thinking that chances are pretty good if someone is buying a VS they are not newbies!!!

It came as a combined birthday/xmas gift without input from me. At the end of the day I probably would of been happy with two new 705z if they were around. But as you can guess the mechanics were not working well and I went back to the 705z. When I get back to the states i will try it out again with the new info.

I thought about using a 706 to avoid controversy (since I know this is the only real thing causing the issue :laugha: ... ), but, I can't get them anymore.

In a bailed world bailless reels are a mystery to most anglers; young or old, new or veteran. Daily requests in the shop of "how do I use a bailless reel" are proof of that.

I'll be continuing to add videos for the things anglers are nervous to ask about online. Obviously you could get pounced on for being foolish enough to ask such a thing in a forum, so SWE YouTube will pick up where forums leave off...

On the manual bail I learned a neat trick I cannot wait to try next season..When fishing a needle fish to keep tension on the line so to prevent wind knots.Stick ur pointer finger out an just let the line tick ur fingernail as it winds onto the spool.I was told it just puts enough tension on the line to wrap it tight enough to prevent the blow-ups.
Seems like it might work anyone else do this..

I think I usually do this without thinking about it. It's just where my fingers end up. I hate to say something about it and have it bite me in the ass all season long, but I almost never get wind knots or tangles and it might be why.

I think the video is a great addition. I don't understand how anyone could take any offense to it.

Wait, did someone mention Van Staal?...:chatter :chatter :smash: :lossinit: :bsod:


Here is another video of someone using a manual Van Staal.... Another method..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYVlaKutiqM

I think the video is a great addition. I don't understand how anyone could take any offense to it.

Wait, did someone mention Van Staal?...:chatter :chatter :smash: :lossinit: :bsod:


Here is another video of someone using a manual Van Staal.... Another method..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYVlaKutiqM

What a googan. What kind of bailless reel technique was that? ;)

What a googan. What kind of bailless reel technique was that? ;)

No kidding, I had to shut it off, I couldn't look past the technique & equipment he was using long enough to see the nice bass @ the end of his line. :rolleyes:

Here is a video of a Van Staal rep showing the proper way to use the manual pickup. Note that he say's, "move the line roller to the 8 o'clock position."

Well, maybe I'm a "nit picker" but that roller is not at 8 o'clock. Viewing from butt to tip, that would be the 10 o'clock, or from tip to butt would be the 2 o'clock.

The only way to make that 8 o'clock would be if you held the reel as a conventional (top of the rod).

Oh well, he got everything else right. :splat: :cputin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhyuTVvT1Kc

The best way to use a VanStal is to buy it on a classified thread and sell it immediatly for a. more money and b. buy two less expensive reels without the hype.

Did I say Vanstals suck? Yep your absolutely right I did!:bl:

Pete,

Great video, top notch stuff as usual

I you don't know how to use one, or can't figure it out on your own, you shouldn't be buying one in the first place :rollem:

It ain't exactly rocket science :wall:

Great point Mike. I wonder what we did 40 years ago when we all converted our 704s to manual pickup?:bsod: