View Full Version : MV: Chappy-Norton Point breach


Mr. Sandman
04-19-2007, 05:58 PM
Thought some of you might be interested...

http://www.mvtimes.com/news/2007/04/19/norton_point_beach.php

Fish_Eye
04-19-2007, 07:41 PM
Sandman,

You need to get up in that plane ASAP, there's a real need for a fishing calendar 2007 II.

Mr. Sandman
04-19-2007, 08:29 PM
I thought about it. Maybe Saturday, the weather is suppose to be nice. This looks like it will stay open for a long time...its deep now. If it stays open for the June run...thats where I will be most nights.

Squid kids Dad
04-19-2007, 08:53 PM
If it stays open the On Time Ferry will be very busy during the derby...

Gunpowder
04-19-2007, 11:35 PM
yah that opening is the newest edition to the west tisbury great pond opening except 5x as wide and deep. im sure if it remains open as predicted, it will be an excellent feeding spot for bass. so save some room for me sandman, ill probably be standing next to you!

Bronko
04-20-2007, 06:18 AM
I think we can officially call that video 'fish porn.':heybaby:

Mr. Sandman
04-22-2007, 06:37 PM
Stopped working on the yard and walked out to the cut...It appears pretty deep in the middle, a small skiff passed thru from the ocean side while I was there and made a few casts. If I had to guess it is over 10' deep in the middle and it has cut a channel of sorts for a ways out.

UserRemoved1
04-23-2007, 05:21 AM
someone posted this on another site. Some great shots here...

http://picasaweb.google.com/Bill.Brine/NortonPointBreach

Swimmer
04-23-2007, 10:52 AM
What a hot spot that is going to be!

Mike P
04-23-2007, 10:58 AM
Think about it-the outgoing tide along Norton's moves left to right anyway, and the prevailing winds are SW. Outgoing tide moving into and colliding with that outflow, with a 15 kt SW kicking it up..... :drool: :drool:

Swimmer
04-23-2007, 11:01 AM
Mike I am not going to be able to wait until the end of September.

Squibby17
04-23-2007, 11:29 AM
Mike I am not going to be able to wait until the end of September.

I'll be there in a month. LOOKS GOOD

Mr. Sandman
04-23-2007, 04:35 PM
Word is it is 15' deep in the center. Also, someone here said the last time nortons broke thru like that it was in 1954 and it took 15 years to close. I counted 5 places where the ocean broke thu that stretch of beach, this is the only one that is still open.

Its good and bad...a good spot no question, but it is going to be a pain getting home from chappy. I can't tell you how many times I take the 1100pm or midnight boat over and drive home around 4:00am. Its going to mean more all nighters and a few rough days at work the next day.

Fish On
04-23-2007, 05:54 PM
Mother nature is amazing. Jim do you think it is or will be navigable? How about the rest of Katama bay? Any word of if they'll mark a channel? It doesn't appear to me that a trip from Oak Bluffs to the Hooter would be that much shorter per se, but depending on whether or not you need to stop at the gas dock, go to town, etc. it could be a gas/time saver.

Those pictures are a unbelievable. There must be so many changes taking place both in and outside the Bay. It will be ery interesting to follow along with what takes place. This is an historic event.

RIROCKHOUND
04-23-2007, 08:17 PM
If the tidal exchange is enough, and we get enough storms to keep it open, no reason for it close on the short term. A mild summer-fall and it will likely seal up tight IMHO

enjoy it!

Mr. Sandman
04-26-2007, 01:45 PM
Unreal! Someones going to attempt to close it now.

http://www.mvtimes.com/news/2007/04/26/norton_point_breach.php

Squibby17
04-26-2007, 02:00 PM
This is ridiculous. Good luck trying to fix that. The idea of the bridge is my favorite. Anyone who's been out there knows that stretch of beach is thin enough as it is and changes year to year or even month to month. It would be hilarious to have them build the bridge only to have another storm break the beach 200 yards further down.

The residents of Chappy know that the risk is always there, hell for 3 months of the year they cant use that route because of the damn plovers. I highly doubt that this goes through. Their better of waiting and seeing if the cut closes it's self like the great ponds do twice a year.

RIROCKHOUND
04-26-2007, 02:12 PM
Closing it is actually feasible. They closed the breach in the OBX after Hurricane Isabel. I dont see why, but it is feasible. It is just a matter of getting enough sediment in the breach, fast enough, preferably over a stretch of fairweather and non-spring tides

Mike P
04-26-2007, 06:15 PM
ROTFLMFAO

"Please find attached our PDA initial request for Emergency Funds to Restore our Norton Point Beach, which serves as an emergency exit for the 375 homeowners on Chappaquid#^&#^&#^&#^& in the event of fire, "

He expecting the whole freakin' island to go up at once? Or did he get word that Teddy was planning a cook-out this summer :rotf3:

I don't think "Foolhardy" is a strong enough word. And he expects to do this for a measly half a million. Including building a bridge :wall:

Let me guess--Winn Davis is a wash-ashore from Noo Yawk :rollem:

livinit
04-27-2007, 09:53 AM
I fish with Jim quite often and we've had some discussions on this. As much as I'd like to see the opening be closed up because of my own personal fishing habits, I am in agreement that mother nature created this and mother nature should close this up. It is going to be difficult going to and coming from Chappy, especially those late nights. But we have found ways to compensate when the beach is closed for 2-3 months because of the plovers. I would like to see some competition for the On Time ferry or for the ferry to run some later shifts, but that just may be wishful thinking.

I'm curious to see what happens with the fishing at Wasque because of Norton Pt.

Mr. Sandman
04-27-2007, 01:29 PM
:hidin:


Believe me...nothing will get done, even if they GET the money, the studies alone will cost millions and take decades. Some guy in Nebraska may have some objection. By the time it actually gets traction, it will have filled in on its own.:bl:

Swimmer
04-28-2007, 10:56 AM
All nighters will become a very common occurence while fishing Chappy. Thats o.k. the seats in the truck go back quite a ways.

jkswimmer
04-28-2007, 07:43 PM
What a crock this idea is, to fill in the breach so a few people don't get stranded on a island, that they choose to live on.

UserRemoved1
04-29-2007, 05:12 AM
Agendas...

What a crock this idea is, to fill in the breach so a few people don't get stranded on a island, that they choose to live on.

Fish On
05-08-2007, 09:22 PM
Any updates/pictures? Are they still thinking of trying to fix it?

jkswimmer
05-08-2007, 10:39 PM
http://www.mvtimes.com/news/2007/05/03/norton_point_breach.php

goosefish
05-09-2007, 07:41 AM
How strong are the currents up in Edgartown harbor? They must be moving pretty good.

Mr. Sandman
05-09-2007, 07:50 AM
I doubt this "repair" plan gets much support. Most are kind of laughing at the guy who's idea it is. IMO it is way for him to get his hands on some free money, nothing more.

As for the current, it is moving pretty hard thru the narrow gap where the chappy ferry runs. There is something like a 2 hour difference in tide between the ocean side near norton point and edgartown harbor so the water can at time move pretty hard. I heard that the chappy ferry is at time having trouble negotiating the strong cross flow, esp during the full mo

IMO it will silt up. A little island has formed back in the bay already, the shifting sands and sw winds will have an effect on it. There are a few fish there however...nothing too large at the moment.

RIROCKHOUND
05-09-2007, 08:18 AM
Flood-tidal delta = the little island.
pretty good exchange if thats forming.
SW wind and any long-period, moderate swell will help it close up pretty quick IMHO.

ThrowingTimber
05-09-2007, 12:53 PM
Im chomping at the bit. Just a few more weeks and I'll be there :drool:

nightprowler
05-10-2007, 08:04 AM
http://www.mvtimes.com/news/2007/05/10/edgartown_norton_point.php

Mr. Sandman
07-16-2007, 07:58 AM
Was up a couple days ago working on the 08 calendar of the Elizabeth's and on the way out took a shot of the cut on MV. It was a hazy day will have to go again after a solid cold front passes thru and it is clear.

redcrbbr
07-16-2007, 08:26 AM
just wondering if anyone knows how far the opening has moved since it initially opened.

Mr. Sandman
07-16-2007, 10:24 AM
I know they have taken measurments, it has gotten wider. One minor storm a few weeks ago they lost 50' of beach and the rescue surfboard they keep on the chappy side.

Below is a photo of the place last august and today...

reelecstasy
07-16-2007, 10:30 AM
Crazy.... looks deep too

Mr. Sandman
07-16-2007, 10:33 AM
Here is a photo taken by someone else in april soon after it happend.

Talk about change...

fishpoopoo
07-16-2007, 10:47 AM
i'm gonna snorkel that bitch.

ThrowingTimber
07-16-2007, 10:53 AM
I walked out to it from the norton point side its a good pretty decent walk. WInch and I walked out to it barefoot the walk isnt that far really:musc:

I dont know about diving it Ben that mf'er was crankin' when we were out there.

Swimmer
07-16-2007, 10:55 AM
Thanks for the update Sandman.

Mr. Sandman
07-16-2007, 11:28 AM
Here is a photo taken by someone else in april soon after it happend.

Talk about change...


Whoops forgot photo... April 07

Squibby17
07-16-2007, 03:51 PM
thanks for the pics Sandman. My uncle says his buddy got a 40 + lb fish there on a boat a few weeks back

flyben24
07-16-2007, 04:34 PM
yea i see it all the time when i take my flying lessons out of katama, its amazing how its a real channel, and the current that goes through there is so strong.

Mr. Sandman
07-17-2007, 12:28 PM
I was offshore this morning and tried to take my boat thru there. Although it was calm the gentle swell was about 3-4' and it would break across the opening. I saw a way to zig zag in but as I got in after the first zig it got really shallow. IMO this is not the best navigabile channel. I ended up driving around Poge....call me chicken (I just didn't want to run aground there)