These blood s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g %$%$%$%$ERS will not stop til they drain every %$%$%$%$in penny they can.

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070510/480/e40d7495b8bf4846aaed7db81fd3db3b

why am I enslaved by vehicle fuel, home utilities, medical costs, insurance, taxes..... I do not feel free.... I wish our government would put in place controls to ease the common persons` struggle to live.

find a way to trade something....
for something else until
you trade for what you truly want

no money's involved so no taxes are either.

it's the only avenue left open.

not wishing "this" of course but.....

where in the hell is this BIG Bush Doctrine...now????

you know...aid the terrorist's...
harbor the terrorists
help the terrorist's
you are a terrorist....

with all the Iranian munitions being found
day after day after day....
and all of their terrorist sponsership....

they need a wake up call bigtime...!!!!

this is the new definition of highway robbery:exp: :exp:

Do these theives realize that they're running this country to the brink of economic collapse? Anothe 2 bucks a gallon will make many peoples jobs not worth the effort to get to. Which will trigger loan defaults from credit cards to mortgages. And making interest rates go through the roof again. Now you have a gozillion forclosures on property that no one can afford. Invest in bullets ,guys, it's gonna get mean, I'm afraid.

my wife didn't believe me tonite at the dinner table when I made the comment that it will now cost $10 to go to the store. Hey a gallon there and a gallon back. $10 gone.

Fred you got it so right. It's going to be scary very soon for many. Diesel is down still from Gas so I'm ok for now but it's still going to be a absolute killer when the heating season comes around...

It is already a $2.50 an hour cut in pay to drive to work not including time driving, I really hate what is happening, we all
suffer while these oil companies make record profits. the government needs to do something to help us

Bob Everyone seems to be saying that...the government needs to do something to help us...but no-one steps up to the plate to DO anything. I've not seen any single senator or house of rep speak for the people anywhere.

Not to turn this into a political thread but I sure hope people remember this when they vote in the next election.

Oh wait then again I haven't heard any of these mental midgets stand up and say anything about health care costs and the gas situation either. JERKS.

did you know.... that the origional diesel engine was first created to
run on steam? that's right... then (diesel) he changed the design slightly so
it would run on vegetable oil... again, another non opec dependant fuel....

now i realize that the average American isn't going to start building their own car out in their garage.... but the only reality facing us is....unless we figure out things on our own... it's not gonna happen.

there is another fuel not talked about....helieum 3 which is on the moon..
once we are able to start mining that... using oil to power our country will become a thing of the PAST like coal delivery's to your cellar have.

the American ingenuity has to prevail here....as the gubbermint ain't gonna step in and save our collective asses....anytime soon... we're gonna have to figure it out on our own.

why am I enslaved by vehicle fuel, home utilities, medical costs, insurance, taxes..... I do not feel free.... I wish our government would put in place controls to ease the common persons` struggle to live.

Well put Mike ,, Meanwhile or our guys getting blown up in Iraq . The Leader Ship really blows.. Just hope we survive Bush . Exon will..

I was in San Fran 4 days ago.

It was $3.58

That much of a jump? Insane.
Utterly insane.

do you guys think that hybrid cars are going to actually start being worth the extra money now????

hybrids are GREAT




TIL you have to replace the battery...THEN you'll wish you bought something else...that's something they DON'T want you to know...



do you guys think that hybrid cars are going to actually start being worth the extra money now????

do you guys think that hybrid cars are going to actually start being worth the extra money now????

For half the price, you can get a gas powered shoebox that gets +/- 40 mpg highway.

Honda Fit, as per Consumer Reports:

"The Fit is a small four-door hatchback with impressive interior room and versatility. Cabin access is easy and visibility is good. The 1.5-liter engine is tuned for fuel economy. The ride is choppy, but supple enough. ABS and curtain air bags are standard."

MSRP, $13, 500 to $16,000

MPG, 33 city, 38 highway.

Toyota Yaris:

"The Yaris is available as a two-door hatchback or a four-door sedan. The 1.5-liter four-cylinder engine is not especially powerful, but it is economical. Road noise is pronounced and the center-mounted gauges are annoying. First-year reliability is excellent, but the Yaris scored too low in our testing to be recommended."

MSRP, $11,000 to $13,500.

MPG, 34 city, 40 highway.

Nissan Versa:

"The Versa hatchback and sedan pack a relatively spacious interior in a short body. The engine is civilized but not overly powerful. The ride is comfortable and the rear seat is roomy. Handling isn't particularly nimble. Curtain air bags are standard, but the optional antilock brakes can be difficult to find."

MSRP, $12,500 to $14,500

MPG, 30 city, 36 highway

my girlfriend was telling me about an article she was reading. This engineer down in new mexico just built a roadster that does 0-60 in 4 seconds and is 100% electric. It has a range of 250 miles and costs about 90K but you are paying .01 per mile in electricity. You will probablly say as I did, great but who cares, 90k is outrageous. But this particular engineer is working from the top down. he feels it's alot easier selling a few of these cars to make a base than work on economy size.

Plus battery technology isn't quite there yet for the range the average person will want. He thinks by 2010 there will be a (today's market) 30K sedan version readily availible with a 250 mile range.

The difference with this guys way of thinking is he doesnt think people should have to sacrifice what they are used to in order to be more efficient with their energy usage.

At the rate things are going I hope this isn't just another article thats hip for the times.

I keep saying he because I can't remember his name. :wall:

heres a link to the project... pretty cool
http://www.teslamotors.com/performance/electric_power.php

"The graph below shows the Tesla Roadster (upper right) in a class by itself with better acceleration than a Lamborghini Murcielago and twice the mile-per-gallon equivalent of popular hybrids. The highly efficient Tesla Roadster gets the equivalent of 135 miles per gallon with an enviable 0-to-60 time of around four seconds."

heres a link to the project... pretty cool
http://www.teslamotors.com/performance/electric_power.php

"The graph below shows the Tesla Roadster (upper right) in a class by itself with better acceleration than a Lamborghini Murcielago and twice the mile-per-gallon equivalent of popular hybrids. The highly efficient Tesla Roadster gets the equivalent of 135 miles per gallon with an enviable 0-to-60 time of around four seconds."

And it also costs $92,000!!!!!!Full charge lasts next to no time which they fail to mention.

The price makes it unattainable to the average American.And not very practical in that it is only good for extremely short rides.

unbelievable. $4 by memorial day WATCH.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070514/D8P4E1H00.html

ANd refineries are closing at an alarming rate, but the producers are having record profits. Valero produced less gasoline last year than the year before, but made 29% more in profit. That's from NPR. Hell's bells , I wanna do less work and get paid a lot more too!

Here ya go...

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/24/business/24refinery.html?ei=5065&en=88a4750c6b8de113&ex=1180584000&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print

And some oil executives are now warning that the current shortages of fuel could become a long-term problem, leading to stubbornly higher prices at the pump.

They point to a surprising culprit: uncertainty created by the government’s push to increase the supply of biofuels like ethanol in coming years.

But oil companies rejected the idea of constructing new refineries in the United States, saying it would be impractical and too expensive.

And it also costs $92,000!!!!!!Full charge lasts next to no time which they fail to mention.

The price makes it unattainable to the average American.And not very practical in that it is only good for extremely short rides.

And Honda never made profit on it's electric car. Prices will come down on the technology as the tech matures and production increases (provided no low availability materials are used).

The immediate future shows more promise with the fuel/electric hybrids - especially those with regenerative braking.

It's going to be a long time though before a high tech hybrid makes it's way past Race Point Light

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=610122

Between Feb. 1 and Monday, Bartlett said, the average wholesale price paid by service stations in Milwaukee to buy gasoline rose from $1.66 to $2.94. Add in taxes paid to the federal and state governments, as well as transportation costs, and the average service station had to cover $3.47 on Monday, without charging any profit. On that day, stations were charging their customers $3.47 on average in Milwaukee, according to AAA's Daily Fuel Gauge Report.

we are getting corned :splat:

high oil prices will probably put me out of business in a couple of years.. My utility bills at my shop have gone up almost double what they were 5 years ago, and because of gas being over 3 bucks a gallon, I am seeing less and less people coming in to shop.

arrrg. :wall:

Bush and Cheney do nothing!!!
The rich get richer and the middle class gets poorer!!!

I better hurry up and decide if I am going to sell my boat before everyone else figures out they can't afford to use theirs.

But oil companies rejected the idea of constructing new refineries in the United States, saying it would be impractical and too expensive...

...because of #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS imposed on new refinery capacity!

Solution:

1) Nuke Chindia - they are s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g up all the cheap gas you think you are entitled to.

2) Kill all tree-shagging enviro whackos.

saw on TV where out ->......in the midwest
where they sell straight methanol at the pump.

it's .60 cents cheaper than regular gas

but you get 27% less miles per gallon when using it

so its worse than buying gas... :doh: economically.