Headed down for some casting last evening and was met by an Asian family walking back to their car, which was parked right next to the light house. One of the men says, "You use san wum?" as we pass. I reply that I only use lures. He says OK and we go our seperate ways. I fished my way around to the west side and then it became clear to me why the man wanted to know if I used "san wum." He must have left his behind in the worm box that sat there on the rocks. He also left a gold kahle hook for me- with a piece of wum already attached! Is it their custom to leave behind extra bait for others who might come to fish, or are they just slobs. Given their track record of killing all manner of wildlife just so they can eat exotic foods (bear galls, tiger bones and penises, whale meat, etc.), I think it becomes pretty clear. Nature is for them to use however they see fit, and not worthy of respect. Why else would they disregard laws meant to protect the environment the way they do. Everywhere they go they leave a wake of snarrled line, wum boxes, and trash. I going to spend a day on the rocks with my camera at The Hill once the scup slaughter starts. I'll document their actions, then I'll call the DEM to come down and see what's up. Time to fight the hords that will get us all kicked out of our fishing spots.

sounds like a plan:cheers:

... some one should sneak out in a boat after dark and set a string of cinder blocks (with poly between them) off of the area they fish. That line floating 3 feet off the bottom should catch every friggen porgy rig that comes its way, but be too deep to affect us pluggers and slingers. How much fun would it be to sit on the rocks the next morning as all those rigs went bye-bye??? Would this be ecoterrorism?

I was going to craft a lengthy reply but just dont have the energy. Nothing POs me more than stereotypes.

I've witnessed some true stupidity down there. Was there at 4:30 am on Tuesday morning and wasn't surprised at the amount of junk lying amongst the rocks.

I met a guy on the southwest point (where the calm water starts to make up to the right of the rocks out front) there on Sunday evening (same ethnicity) with two rods securely standing up, held in the rocks. When I asked him what he was using, as he sat back and relaxed against the wall, he stated "eeeewes". :hs: He surprisingly mentioned that he had been there for 3 hours and hadn't caught a thing.

Another time, there was a family of about 10 people with 6-8 rods out...you know, the kids, mom, dad, uncles, aunts...all together. I walked past them and started fishing that SW corner of the point. There was another guy (experienced surfcaster) that knew what he was doing about center-left towards the southeast corner. He hooks up and pulls in a 32 inch striper. He turns and walks it back up towards the wall and the family dad almost immediately walks down and takes up residence on the same rock that this guy was fishing on. The guy with the fish just stops and stares in disbelief and looks over at me...I just shake my head and keep watching. Next thing I know, Dad is hooked up and rod is bent over...not being familiar with reeling I guess, he is having a hard time and both myself and the other surfcaster just watch. Pretty soon I see that he is definately hooked up...with a cormorant! With all the family running around on the rocks watching Dad deal with a seriously pissed off bird, both myself and the other surfcaster pack up and leave, in disgust. On the way out, of course, I had to step over the empty squid and sand worm boxes, Walmart plastic bags and dunkin donuts cups that they left behind.

It would be great if DEM would patrol some of these areas, even just on weekends or on nice days when you know they are going to be out in force.

I see the same crap happen at the first breachway east of WH, which is probably why I never go there anymore.

Thanks Parker. Glad to see some others see the behavior and not a stereotypes. Sorry Jimmy, but the WASPS tossing expensive wood aren't the problem WE should all be up in arms about. Unless you would rather HAVE to fish from a boat to gain access to our marine resources. Face it- it is their culture that is on display on the rocks.

I was going to craft a lengthy reply but just dont have the energy. Nothing POs me more than stereotypes.

Ditto

agree with ditto - Slobs are a diverse crowd. Can't just pin it on one culture/race.

I was going to craft a lengthy reply but just dont have the energy. Nothing POs me more than stereotypes.

Nothing PO's me more than slops that have no repect for anything. I've fished there and seen "them" allot of sterotypes exist for a reason. I know that sounds ugly, but so be it.

agree with ditto - Slobs are a diverse crowd. Can't just pin it on one culture/race.

Gotta agree there. When's the next clan meeting:skulz: ?

I agree...I hate stereotypes and if you notice I made only one reference to similar ethnicity and am not blaming an entire ethnic population. I think the stereotype pertains the 'slobs' more than the 'culture'. However, it is hard not associating the two when you see the same ethnic groups contributing to the 'slob' stereotype. The fact is, I've seen various types of people that don't care for the areas they fish in, litter and leave their garbage...unfortunately, most of the time it is from the same ethnic groups. Not a stereotype...just a fact.

Remember, white people couldn't dance until Vanilla Ice. Maybe we need a Captain Cleanup in SoCo to show us the way!!

Gotta agree there. When's the next clan meeting:skulz: ?

One more for the dittos.

it is long standing tradition in the public fishing spots in RI to leave your bait behind in its container for someone who comes down without money to buy bait. this has been going on since i was 4 years old and fished the west wall with squid and clams. I know that there are a lot more people fishing now and that the contaiers are mostly plastic now as opposed to paper in those days.

I think there is now a mix out there of slobs who leave behind dunkin donuts cups and diapers etc and also bait and those who are purposely closing their bait containers and wedging them in the rocks for some kid to find who can't buy bait.

Anyway , maybe it should stop now since there are so many people fishing and the containers are not biodegradeable but in fact people have been leaving bait behind for the next guy for far longer than the 54 years i've been alive.

Thanks Parker. Glad to see some others see the behavior and not a stereotypes. Sorry Jimmy, but the WASPS tossing expensive wood aren't the problem WE should all be up in arms about. Unless you would rather HAVE to fish from a boat to gain access to our marine resources. Face it- it is their culture that is on display on the rocks.

you're right, how about them buffalo? polluted rivers? was it the asians that overfished the stripers and polluted the spawning grounds. Nope, I reckon it was some clean white folks.

Here is my stereotype: Since you running into all these people and you "see" them on the rocks, it leads me to believe you are fishing in the daylight, which to me is laughable for a surfcaster and I'd basically classify you as a googan. :bl:

people have been leaving bait behind for the next guy for far longer than the 54 years i've been alive.

Yep same here. I remember as a kid searching the beach and trash cans for bait when we ran out.

you're right, how about them buffalo? polluted rivers? was it the asians that overfished the stripers and polluted the spawning grounds. Nope, I reckon it was some clean white folks.

Here is my stereotype: Since you running into all these people and you "see" them on the rocks, it leads me to believe you are fishing in the daylight, which to me is laughable for a surfcaster and I'd basically classify you as a googan. :bl:

Ever been to the Hill at night? Guess not as the lanterns are a plenty...

Recognizing that a certain group behaves a certain way is not racism if it's true.

I guess the food wrappers are left behind in case anyone needs to re-wrap their twinkie. Thoughtful little fellas they are.

Classifying one of the largest populations on earth by what you witness along a very small coast is not racism, its ignorance.

Ever been to the Hill at night? Guess not as the lanterns are a plenty...

Ever been to Hong Kong, Tokyo, Bejing, etc? I guess not as the the streets are clean and people extremely friendly and polite.

[QUOTE=RIJIMMY;498504]you're right, how about them buffalo? polluted rivers? was it the asians that overfished the stripers and polluted the spawning grounds. Nope, I reckon it was some clean white folks. [QUOTE]

Put that in yer pipe and smoke it... :lurk:

Ever been to Hong Kong, Tokyo, Bejing, etc? I guess not as the the streets are clean and people extremely friendly and polite.

And I'm not exactly sure what the F^%$ that has to do w/anything. My point, is that the asians that fish where I HAVE SEEN THEM, are not exactly environmentally friendly. Are all asians slobs? I highly doubt it. Are the ones that fish where I HAVE SEEN THEM? unfortunately yes... The point is not that all asains are pigs far from it. The point that people always miss is that what MOST people witness fishing is minorities (asians or wahtever) that ARE pigs and disrespectful of the environment. If they were not I doubt the "sterotype" would exist. And the sterotype I AM talking about is the scup fishing minorities that allot of us witness being slobs.

Do me a favor... actually keep track of who you see fishing and their behavior. Let me know what you find. I will actively do the same.

I am tired of being politically correct for fear I MIGHT offend someone.

Recognizing that a certain group behaves a certain way is not racism if it's true.

I guess the food wrappers are left behind in case anyone needs to re-wrap their twinkie. Thoughtful little fellas they are.

see my other post... I don't think it's fair to judge an entire group on the behavior of the subset. I DO think it's fair to judge the subset though...

Here in Vt I have never seen a person of ethnic origin other than European fishing, and there are still slobs. So I guess it's not a cultural thing.

see my other post... I don't think it's fair to judge an entire group on the behavior of the subset. I DO think it's fair to judge the subset though...

Agreed

Woody, et all,
Along with your camera bring a bag and pick up some of the litter. I've done this locally and it makes an impression. We have to educate the people who leave the litter. Show and tell. Nobody should be "stepping over the squid boxes". If you leave the litter you can kiss your spot good bye in the future. WE are part of the solution.

I hate picking it up but the consequences are much worse.

DZ

Bring rubber gloves too...I wouldn't touch most of the stuff that I see with someone elses fingers!

Seriously though...I wouldn't mind doing it, but after a while it is going to get old. Especially with the numbers of people that frequent that place. It's a shame too...there is a dumpster right there when you walk in.

Collaboratively we might be able to make a difference...maybe signs on the fence along the rocks would help. I don't know but one person picking up after 100 isn't going to change anyone's habits.

I left out one thing - communication. Explain why. I know there is a language barrier. Talk to them the best you can. I gave out trash bags and had a family cleaning up an area of the Cliff Walk. I also gave them a little helpfull hints about tying high-low bottom rigs. Gain their trust and they will listen.
DZ

does`nt hurt....just extra work but only minutes sometimes :btu:

while we are on this topic. i have also noticed a similar thing going on at my local fishing spot in marshfield. mabyee a great place to stat correcting this problem is at the bait shop. mabyee print up flyers to hand out. to people buying bait, about the possilbe long term consequences of littering. or even just ask the shopkeepers to help "educate". i know i am tired of picking up Mackreal bags and half used baitfish from the jetty i fish at

the tone that was set with the "they" and making fun of accents, just dont have much tolerance for that. i understand your issues with certain behaviors, but address the behaviors. Truthfully, in all the fishing I do, I have NEVER run into what you have described. i have however run into ignorant white people, littering beer bottles, cans, trash etc. So its an issue, just not one with one ethnicity. There is a prominent fishing club that routinely dumps its fish scraps on the shoreline, which I have vbeen told, is illegal. I see it everytime I fish. They should know better.

I am making up a sign that says:
"access to fishing spots is dependent on the condition in which we leave the areas we all fish, please pick up your trash."
I am having it done in at least four or five languages. When you see it posted here take it to your local bait shop and have them post it in a good spot.
So far I have it in:
English
Khmer (cambodian)
I need the language in portugese, chinese and whatever language anyone else thinks that will cover a majority of our fishing population.
We can't do them all so I don't want to hear any bitchin and moaning. This is an honest attempt to do the right thing on this issue. Just give me another 2 or three languages. Thanks

the tone that was set with the "they" and making fun of accents, just dont have much tolerance for that. i understand your issues with certain behaviors, but address the behaviors. Truthfully, in all the fishing I do, I have NEVER run into what you have described. i have however run into ignorant white people, littering beer bottles, cans, trash etc. So its an issue, just not one with one ethnicity. There is a prominent fishing club that routinely dumps its fish scraps on the shoreline, which I have vbeen told, is illegal. I see it everytime I fish. They should know better.

I GENERALLY get the ignorant white folks freshwater fishing... and see the same things gets me just as mad.

I think English, Spanish, Portugese, Cambodian and Chineese would suffice...will the be laminated?

I would volunteer to put up a few at popular spots in Westerly that have this problem. Maybe even tie off some garbage bags near it and add a caption something along the lines of "If you see fishing related litter laying around please take a minute to use these bags to dispose of it properly."

The bags may be taken for other reasons, but at least it's another step to promote this and isn't much of an expense.

I would put up the signs too

here is the spanish translation.

el “acceso a los puntos de la pesca es dependiente en la condición en la cual nos dejamos a áreas todos los pescados, toma por favor su basura.”


this the the portugese:

o “acesso aos pontos da pesca é dependente da circunstância em que nós nos deixamos às áreas todos os peixes, escolhe por favor acima seu lixo.”

Wow everyone is so sensitive.. all races/cultures suck I know I know before hey my race sucks more then you argument starts let me set it straight you all SUCK....

White guys in wife beaters leaving empty bud cans... Spanish guys drinking corona and leaving lime peels every where.. Asians fishing and leaving soy sauce package's...and New Yorkers just being their ewww dirty

we are all dirty who cares about race and who cares if someone states at this fishing spot this bunch of guy's who talked funny left a bunch of crap... just pick it up through it in your cooler next to beer of race and through it away

I'm just trying to be funny what ever go back to your fight

Let me make this a bit more PC. To be fair, I have observed slobs of all races, colors and creeds along the RI shore in the more than 20 years I have been fishing it. I simply made my remarks based on the fact that I have observed the amount of litter increasing as the number of Asians fishing has increased. To support this, I have also personally observed many instances of Asians making a mess while fishing. My statements on Asian culture not valuing nature enough to respect it and the laws which protect it was based on several observations I have made over the years. Asian cultures have disregarded international bans on whaling. Asian cultures support the killing of endangered tigers for medicinal purposes. Asian cultures support the killing of bears around the world for medicinal purposes. Asian cultures support the killing of rhinos for medicinal purposes. Asian fishermen travel the world in search of seafood that is no longer available near their shores due to over fishing. Perhaps I let these behaviors lead me to think Asians don’t respect the natural environment. Perhaps I am misinformed and should not speak stereotypically. Perhaps we should all speak to all of the slobs we see trashing our fishing areas before it is too late.

When I heard slobs on the hill I was hoping to see some nice pictures of fitty pounders @ Watch Hill Light at Sunset...

Truthfully, in all the fishing I do, I have NEVER run into what you have described.

have you ever fished the rocks in jamestown/narragansett?

I have to agree with JFig and WoodyCT on this one...

I posted signs in 14 dif languages one season. They read: " You're mother doesnt work here. Clean up after YOURSELF." :hihi:

... Spanish guys drinking corona and leaving lime peels every where..

I think that would be Mexican...ask any Mexican-American, there is a big difference LOL.

Enough with the politically correct and stereotype arguements. I'm all for getting people to pick up after themselves, but to be successful, we need to be more than 1 strong making the effort to promote this.

I am forced to agree that asians are dirty people but to be fair it is not only outdoors it is also in their own homes. I did a counter demo at a guys house once and my hands felt greasy for a week not to mention all the rat/mouse %$%$%$%$ I found in the cabinets. This is as bas as when trying to fish sweetwater and the blacks let their bobbers drift in front of you then ask to keep whatever you catch. This doesnt need to turn completely into a racial thing but I want to hear peoples honest opinions about how they feel. If you have any problems with what I have said please feel free to PM me and I will give you some examples of things that have happened that make me feel this way.

Alex

EDIT** Send some of those signs my way!!

this stereotyping of Asians as litterbugs is sad. Its not the Asians that are the problem, its the scup fishing mentality.. whites, blacks, asians, europeans... every one loves to leave their crap behind when they sucp fish.. The whole family comes down, they set up camp and they usually keep every scup they catch, fillet them, and throw back the frames to get rid of the evidence. When they leave, they leave everything. The trash from their lunch, the chitty diapers, the bait boxes, the snarled up mono...
Do all people of asian descent litter? no, but it is those who do who give a bad name for all of them, however, it is not just people of asian decent.

I think that would be Mexican...ask any Mexican-American, there is a big difference LOL.



I thought I read that corona is considered lowered class piss beer in Mexico???

jfigliuolo your right on the money.iam sorry but i dont think we should have to put up signs in 10 languages this is america speek english!peaple know there not supposed to throw trash on the ground. they dont care.

I think that would be Mexican...ask any Mexican-American, there is a big difference LOL.


Not really the point I was going for but hey as long as they aren't New yorkers :beat:

I thought I read that corona is considered lowered class piss beer in Mexico???

That it is.Not just in Mexico imo.:yak6:

I think that is about enough with the generalizations
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