I Heard this from a friend who heard it on a scanner about 4 am this morning. A lone fisherman out at gooseberry was beat up and struck in the head with a rock. The fisherman although hurt and bleeding called police and proceeded to follow the six people in his car while talking to the local PD.
The Westport police caught and arrested all six jerks, they also called EMT's to the scene to take care of the fishermans injuries. I have no names, but if I see or hear anything more I will update.

Kudo's to the police and I hope the injuries to the fisherman are not serious.

Please be careful especially if you fish alone.

WOW that guy is lucky!!!!!!!!!!! and tough & I thought I had it bad today sinking in mud up to knees.
ML

be armed :rocketem: when alone...

I hope it's not who I think it might be......and he is usually armed...

No it wasn't him matt.

thanks Max....I just called him and no anwser...I was getting worried
Glad they got the punk scum!!!!! :liquify:

Glad to hear he was able to follow them and contact the authorities. Hope he is ok, but also hope he's a member or knows a member to provide some intel about these fools. Should they even be seen in an area of fisherman again maybe a smile and a pat on the dive knife or long handled gaff will wake them the f#%k up and let them know I know who you are and it's game on. :hang: :skulz:

No it wasn't him matt.


good to hear it wasn't him.. if it were, i'd be more worried about the 6 punks :nailem:

This just sucks! I hope the fisherman is okay and these scumbags get convicted of assault and get some time, but that probably won't happen in this state.

I fish alone all the time, and just carry a knife with me, and I would rather leave than be confrontational as I have a family to consider, but stories like this make me want to get my pistol permit.

The last thing I want is to have to deal with someone looking to screw with me when I am fishing, unfortunately, you run into some strange characters and the odds go up that you will encounter some bad characters, or alcohol or chemically impaired punks when you are out in the middle of the night alone at some places. I would rather have the ability to defend myself rather than have my skull crushed in after handing over a wallet.

There is a post on another forum about a fisherman from Long Island that is missing. A determination has not been made as to what happened Friday night, but this guy has not returned home. I hope he shows up home alright and hope that he is not the victim of violence or fishing accident - it appears that he was fishing alone too.

A sidearm while fishing...are you guys n#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g futs?

If anything carry pepper spray, anything else isn't going to be worth the legal hassle when you have to justify defending yourself.

-spence

A sidearm while fishing...are you guys n#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g futs?

If anything carry pepper spray, anything else isn't going to be worth the legal hassle when you have to justify defending yourself.

-spence

rather be tryed by 12 than be carried by 6. iffin' you have a permit to carry- you're silly not to these days.

rather be tryed by 12 than be carried by 6. iffin' you have a permit to carry- you're silly not to these days.

Silly not to? It's not like we live in that violent a place. Granted, I feel for the guy, but this seems to be a very isolated event...

-spence

Silly not to? It's not like we live in that violent a place. Granted, I feel for the guy, but this seems to be a very isolated event...

-spence

Even if it isn't that violent of a place, carrying will only add a little extra weight. The fisher would have been justified in doing what he had to if he had been carrying. Chances are if these 6 meatballs had seen a sidearm, they would have beat feet.

Granted I would hate to shoot someone. But if I feared for my life they would have been onthe losing end. None of them would have wanted to be the first one with an extra orifice.

Oh and pepper spray doesn't work on everyone. When I was in the service we had to do the CS gas tent. It is a confidence thing so you believe in your mask. You filed into the building and stood at parade rest. The DI would them come in and explain what was going to happen. He would then crack 3 CS canisters. Someone would yell GAS and everyone would mask up....except for our DI. He would walk up to each soldier and have them unmask. Your eyes would shut and your nose and throat would be on fire. You had to sound off with name, rank and social sec #. Most guys would hold their breath before unmasking and just spit it all out with a held breath. The DI would then ask the soldier something else forcing him to take a breath. CS makes pepper spray seem like cotton candy. A guy like the Drill Seargent Mallet would have laughed at ya if ya squirted him with the spray. So my advise is if you carry spray be prepared. You may use it on a guy like the DI I had in basic.

I would imagine saltwater isn't very good for the canisters either.

good to hear it wasn't him.. if it were, i'd be more worried about the 6 punks :nailem:

That was my first thought too. He would probably negotiate his way out of it without using force though.:angel:

:laughs:

Mac, maybe we should dig out our K-bars and hang them off our surf belts.......... Hell, if I felt threatened, my 1088 would be more than just a deterant, could do some serious damage to someone, even if I had to sacrifice the rod.

Silly not to? It's not like we live in that violent a place. Granted, I feel for the guy, but this seems to be a very isolated event...

-spence

Unfortunately, people being the victim of violent crimes is hardly a rare event. I agree it is rare that a fisherman is jumped at 4am by 6 goons, but in general, society is incredibly violent. In fact, the US leads the world in violence, but the good news is the rest of the world is catching up. Read Col. David Grossamn's books on violence and killing or "Killology", it is.....interesting to say the least.

Man I was just down the road about the same time that morning. What is wierd though, a blazer pulled up and two guys got out and one had just shorts and a t on(it was very cold) he kind up stood a little behind me to the side and I was thinking what the @#@# is this guy doing(he was just standing staring at me for a minute) as my hand went to my knife and then they started getting fly fishing gear out and and I was at ease,but they didn't look like fly fisherman.You never know! I hope that guy is ok:eek5:

all six are guilty of assault with a deadly weapon (the rock)
if they operated in force together...

they should all do hard time.

gotta carry a nice knife on ya at all times... there the only things that never jam in the heat of the moment ;)

Even if it isn't that violent of a place, carrying will only add a little extra weight. The fisher would have been justified in doing what he had to if he had been carrying. Chances are if these 6 meatballs had seen a sidearm, they would have beat feet.
Could post M18A1's around your perimiter as well :gf:

Seriously I just don't see it. I wouldn't have any fun fishing a location I felt was that threatening. Surfcasting at night can be dangerous enough as it is.

A much better bet would be to not fish alone.

-spence

A lot harder to fend off six guys with a knife than a gun. Can't convince my wife of this... Just having it would have probably been enough to keep this from going down that way.

Louisville Slugger. My weapon of choice.

Lets be real, a knife doesn't do much against a rock. And in the dark it doesn't offer quite the visual deterrence (without making it very visible) that a nice baseball bat does. You can visibly leave a bat hanging out of your trunk or at the edge of a pickup bed if you're feeling nervous due to someone nearby.

And, you can inflict serious, disabling pain with far less potential for manslaughter then you could with a gun or knife. One negative is you can't really handle a firearms with a bat.

No permit or anything else needed too. Obviously you can't tote it out with you when fishing, but it's still ideal when you're at your vehicle which is where a lot of these incidents go down, I would imagine.

I'm still trying to confirm who the victim is of this incident. I have a bad feeling it's someone I know, as he was heading there in the AM that day and haven't heard from him since.

local paper may have some info later this week. will post when i find out

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Voodoo Doll - they never know what hit them..I've got several going at all times...

Everyone here has some good points and I agree that you should carry SOMETHING to protect yourself. I have nothing against firearms but can understand that most people wouldnt want to deal with what happens after you shoot someone. A bat is a good choice, they even have those stubby bats made for clubbing fish which could be handy because you could keep it with you. A nice extractable baton would be a nice choice too. A good point was made that surf fishing at night is dangerous enough as it is weather it be slippery rocks or rough current, that gives me a nice little rush and adds to the excitement for me but the last thing I want to worry about is someone else putting me in danger. I dont get scared at night but I am very cautious when someone is around and I try to always be ready for anything that could happen. I like being on a beach with other anglers around, that is probably when I feel the most safe because hopefully they would try to help me like I would anyone else. Sorry for the long reply, I just think a good discussion came of this and would like to hear what other people have to say. Thanks alot.

Alex

I am not really sure of what the situation was, whether he was coming or going. I know if i was leaving and saw a bunch of guys partying in the parking lot perhaps being a bit roudy, i probably would have called the cops, hung back and checked out the scene before they saw me. Then again if i pulled into the parking lot and saw a bunch of guys drinking, i would have called the cops.
As i see it now, I am sure the gate will now start being locked up again making for a long walk being made longer.

The thing with drawing a weapon is, you better be ready to use it, both physically and mentally or be prepared to have that weapon used on you. Having a gun is great, but do you have the stones to protect yourself when the chips are down and your life is in serious danger, which in this situation, it clearly was? I have not a doubt in my mind that I will use deadly force to save my life, I have held that mindset since the age of 18 when I served in the infantry and now as a patrolman, I have to live, I have to win each confrontation, period. Anything short of that, weapons are useless and could be dangerous.

The thing with drawing a weapon is, you better be ready to use it, both physically and mentally or be prepared to have that weapon used on you. Having a gun is great, but do you have the stones to protect yourself when the chips are down and your life is in serious danger, which in this situation, it clearly was? I have not a doubt in my mind that I will use deadly force to save my life, I have held that mindset since the age of 18 when I served in the infantry and now as a patrolman, I have to live, I have to win each confrontation, period. Anything short of that, weapons are useless and could be dangerous.

That's how I feel as well and it's why I like my visible (without actually holding it) baseball bat. Once you're wielding a knife, something is either already happening or likely to happen or at the very least the police will pay you a visit wondering why you were wielding a knife. It's just more drama then I need. Then again, so is getting whacked in the head with a rock, which is why there is logic to a gun.

I just feel with the bat I can clearly be a discouraging target, without actively doing anything. Head things off before they get to a confrontational level. If I'm in a spot I'm feeling vulnerable, I just make sure the bat is visible in the light of my trunk or that I shine the light on it in the bed of a truck. It passively gets the message across without escalating a situation.

Tough subject, and tough to get the balance of safety and defense right...

3oz snag hook to the head.

3oz snag hook to the head.

:bgi: :rotf2:

Not due to violence, but a guy fishing from shore in LI was just hauled out of Great South Bay, dead. His wife reported him missing on saturday when he didn't come home. Se be careful even when there's no obvious threats!

Just got an update on all this. A buddy of mine was there when it went down.

Sounds like it was just a squabble between high school kids and NOT a fisherman that was under attack.

That changes EVERYTHING! Many high school kids like to fight so let this be a lesson to them. Thats all that had to be said in this case lol. Either way, stay safe out there guys and try to buddy up whenever possible. Tight lines.

Alex

:bgi: :rotf2:

1266 w/ a calcutta conquest.
100mph sidearm. :hihi:

1266 w/ a calcutta conquest.
100mph sidearm. :hihi:

I'd still rather have 11 silver tips:angel:

I'd still rather have 11 silver tips:angel:

:eek: 500 s&w DPX

Not due to violence, but a guy fishing from shore in LI was just hauled out of Great South Bay, dead. His wife reported him missing on saturday when he didn't come home. Se be careful even when there's no obvious threats!

When I was stationed at Castle Hill back in '87'or '88 a guy went missing, his car was found along with some gear on the rocks but there was no sign of him. About a week goes by and he was found by a couple of divers at the mouth of the Castle Hill cove. I'll never forget pulling him out of the water- it was awful. I guess the conclusion was that he slipped and hit his head.

I don't know if anyone here remembers this or knew the guy, but it must have been hell for his family

make sure it is a GLOCK they are made of plastic for the most part. Easier to clean and one other thing, no striations, in the barrell.:humpty:

The army surplus stores probably carry hand grenades which are replicas or the real thing but not loaded. If they do carry a couple, pull the pin and threaten the thugs. If anything it would hurt more then a rock if thrown to the head.

make sure it is a GLOCK they are made of plastic for the most part. Easier to clean and one other thing, no striations, in the barrell.:humpty:

Where did you come up with bit of misinformation?

make sure it is a GLOCK they are made of plastic for the most part. Easier to clean and one other thing, no striations, in the barrell.:humpty:


:uhuh:

Where did you come up with bit of misinformation?

The body is a polymer and the rifling in the barrel isn't a right angle but more of a rounded fluting

The barrel is steel and it has rifling, otherwise you wouldn't be able ti hit the broad side of a barn with it. Striates the bullet just like any other gun. Most guns do not have 90 degree rifling.

Does Aquaskinz make a belt clip for it :usd:

The barrel is steel and it has rifling, otherwise you wouldn't be able ti hit the broad side of a barn with it. Striates the bullet just like any other gun. Most guns do not have 90 degree rifling.


Yes the barrel has rifleing but not your typical rifleing. Another reason why Glocks don't like straight lead. Rounds should be jacketed or copper coated in the least.

Only bad thing about a knife is that if there are 6 guys it could definitly be used on you. I like a gun or pepper spray myself. Gun sounds good:)

I like a 14 lb bluefish...held by the tail with my right hand and supporting the head with my left. A few jabs with his nose to the lower mid-section of the aggressor, and I'm outta there!!

A sidearm while fishing...are you guys n#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g futs?

If anything carry pepper spray, anything else isn't going to be worth the legal hassle when you have to justify defending yourself.

-spence

Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.

What legal hassle (other than defending yourself against use of lethal force?) are you referring to?

Mass issues LTC in many cases and Rhode Island is SHALL-ISSUE for residents.

Anyways...

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boga grip.......i imagine they can crack people skulls just as well as they crush fish skulls.

A concealed firearm, although an excellent deterrent to any would-be robber(s), is a serious liability to any fishermen carrying it and considering the rarity of such events, are really not worth the bureaucratic hurdles and paperwork required for firearm licensing (at least up here in Massachusetts). If you are nuts about fishing like me and you are out lobbing those clams or pogie chunks to those linesided ladies in the earliest ours of the morning (also like myself), you better darn well know the area you are fishing. Scout it out, do some reconissance trips without your tackle before you even begin fishing. Note if there are teenage gangs loitering around those rip raps or boardwalks and then decide accordingly. After all this is said and done, and you find yourself out late at night and some suspicious person(s) appear, remember; they probably have not noticed you (yet). Stay light and mobile, minimize flashlight usage/ glowsticks/ other luminescence, this is a giveaway to all those fishing for things other than Striped Bass and Bluefish. As far as weapons are concerned - yes, indeed it maybe our best bet - but for many of us a gun is not always the most appealing option. Think small. A bat is good if you are confronted by one or two robbers, but it won't do much good if you find yourself in the company of robin hood and his not-so-merry men. The first thing to do if approached, is to assume control of the situation by feigning fear (dramatically) and hope things blow over smoothly, surely your life is not worth your empty wallet (it should be empty, because your not shoppin, your fishing). The good thing about knives and screwdrivers is that they are easily concealed and if things get physical you can use them with a fair degree of stealth - especially if they perceive you are already scared hence "unarmed". Additionally, if it is a group of them and you get jumped pretty good, those hooded adrenaline intoxicated gangbangers won't notice those screw driver punctures or knife wounds until they are in the getaway car and the leader passes out in the passenger seat. Once again, awareness coupled with a low profile saves lives. It helped my 155 lb, 18 year old cousin survive 4 years in prison.

Those kids have to be idiots attacking fishermen. Might as well attack a bunch of Marines. I always thought a great defense would be a big danny or reverse at the end of the rod; mine have needle-sharp hooks. I would love to set the hooks into some of those punks; the screams of pain would allow you to get away.


Gawd, Gooseberry sucks in so many way. I live right down the street from it; almost everytime I fish there I promise myself never again, but there I go again fishing there. Like two nights ago. Garbage all over the place, dog and human feces aong the paths, bad footing, shallow water, yahoos motoring along the causeway. The extreme tip is accessible at low tide, but almost suicidal if you let the tide comes in. And the fishing is nothing compared to Quonny, Narragansett, Jamestown, or Newport.

I carry a Glock G-27 every were I go off duty even fishing. As for all the talk about glocks, The frame is polymer but the slide and barrel is metal the hard-coat they use on the metal parts is real good and will hold up to saltwater (I have a buddy that takes a G-17 diving) The rifling on all glocks is called polygonal rifling, instead of the traditional lands and groves it has hills and valleys. But like someone else said you never take out your weapon unless you are ready mentally to use it, if you draw down on someone thinking its going to scare them and you will not have to use it you are wrong, lots of criminals are not afraid of a gun pointed at them and may even attempt to grab your gun. most important thing you can do is always create distance.


Left is standard rifling and right is polygonal
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Does Aquaskinz make a belt clip for it :usd:

lmao, not yet, but I guess they'll have to meet the growing demand....

Any particular reaon this was revived? I'm glad to see that someone has payed attention to their James Bond movies and protected themselves from underwater hooligans.

I thought Glocks were made for women, children, and police departments who don't want to train people to shoot single actions. See also the death of 10mm.

Any particular reaon this was revived? I'm glad to see that someone has payed attention to their James Bond movies and protected themselves from underwater hooligans.

I thought Glocks were made for women, children, and police departments who don't want to train people to shoot single actions. See also the death of 10mm.



The guy who takes it diving had his gear stolen by a group of 5 guys a few years ago (he lives down south and the meth heads will steel anything),it has nothing to do with bond. As for glocks being made for women, children, and police departments who don't want to train people to shoot single actions. I think you can add and guys who want there pistol to go bang every time they pull the trigger, I train ALL the time I own quite a few handguns including 5 1911's a bunch of sigs and 4 glocks, 1911's are great but I have had them not run 100% in classes and to me even one FTF is not acceptable in a firearm that you plan on using for self defence. I have never had a FTF in any of my glocks with thousands of rounds and hard use.

No offense - just stirring the pot a little.

so should I get a glock or what???

actually, most of the areas I fish are pretty safe, in the height of the summer there can be some punks around drinking, but if I see that I just keep driving and hit another spot.

hooper is right on . you better be ready . I have been robbed at gun point 2 times and shot at once ( accidentally ) . The guy who shot next to me was a basket case . He wasnt ready mentally . the 2 times I was robbed they wernt ready mentally either but I if I pulled my pistol who knows if they would have known they now have to go through with it .

I dont carry for many reasons but 1 thought is I dont want have to clean it religeously and if I dont the one time really I need it and it wont fire . oops bad move . I dont think I would have any problem shooting to save my life or someone elses but I dont want to have to find out .

I fish alone all the time mostly I carry a fishing rod with many lures that can be swung to cause some damage , maybe enough to get them to back off . If not then oh well .

as far as the guy that this happened to he may have been ambushed by them . and had no time to react . I dont know wasnt there . I hope all is well with him and they are put in jail . take my stuff but do ya really have to hurt me ?

too many asswipes

All I have to say is that I like my little boat even more.....

I still think I need a bigger boat (in case my wife is watching this thread. :love::jump1:

- ATG

Situational awareness is just as important as carrying something for self defence. always pay attention to people around you and always trust your gut, if something doesn't feel right it probably isn't and its best to find a new spot

i always carry my leatherman charge AL.... super sharp blades, and a good set of pliers

Pretty sad world we live in if you have to defend yourself when fishing !