One seal was munched to death in close to shore....witnessed by some swimmers......they think maybe a Great White! A large pool of blood in the water followed the attack!:kewl:

Cool, maybe it will bring in some friends and vacation around the Race for a while.

alright!!!!!!!

It was on the news at 6!

nice.. who thinks they can hook up with it?

liveline seals.........:bounce:

:happy: :happy: :happy: :happy: :happy:

:btu: :btu: :btu:

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO59143/

Swim Charlie swim!

nice.. who thinks they can hook up with it?


I've been trying for years


I did good Sat. keeping my plugs and fish away from the thieves, I went 5 and 1, got a few 10 lb blues in just ahead of those hoovers. The last one I let go and it stayed right in the wash afraid to swim away :D


That is good news Larry, if that keeps happening though it might be bad...................................





















bad for the seals :hihi:

Nauset surfers will be next!

One seal was munched to death in close to shore....witnessed by some swimmers......they think maybe a Great White! A large pool of blood in the water followed the attack!:kewl:

I would tend to think it was a blue shark.
Water is still too cold for a great white .But for blue sharks they will come in close....

ya that would suck Mike if a surfer gets tasted by one, but then after that who knows what will happen, if they bother to scatter those seals or if they close beaches :(

Mac is right, send them to the Race, plenty of heavyweights up there to provide some nice meals to those great whites.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/336740/great_white_shark/

Mythbusters proved that they don't eat humans :hihi:





the water off Chatham is not too clod for great whites

The water is definitely NOT too cold for a great white. We have seen 2 different ones this year east of Nauset. The larger ones can tolerate even more severe temperatures than most think. Mother nature at her finest; lots of seals around so an apex preadtor comes to survive i.e. feed/eat seals. God bless the sharks that eat the seals.
Let nature take its course out there. I love great white sharks.

That is so sad........... may we have a moment of silence for the poor seal :wavey:

Shark week facts....#1 white sharks are warm blooded so can hunt effectively in cold water :sick: they have body temp's 15 degrees higher than normal sharks, same with similar sharks in its species ...alaskan salmon sharks =cold hunters....the cold doesnt slow them down....

I just came back from a week in Wellfleet and there were so many seals both in the bay and along the beach that a shark could just swim along the beach taking a bite here and there until it had to order a Jenny Craig meal just to keep swimming...

I don't care if the damn sharks start eating the kayakers...hopefully they have some sort of natural two-way radio!!!
Yeah shark week!!!
Rick

Anyone plan on going skishing this week? :eyes:

Not a confirmed shark attack?????


This was no boating accident!!!!!!!! It was a shark.

they don't want to scare the people :rollem:

it WAS a shark:uhuh:

Had one in the 2nd or 3rd wave jigman refused to grab the leader.... :vamp: :vamp: :vamp: :vamp:

I hear they sink if you shoot them is this true?? :rotf2:

Maybe it was a big bluefish...

God bless the sharks that eat the seals.
Let nature take its course out there. I love great white sharks.


F'N EXCELLENT!!! SEND 'EM MY WAY!!! HIP HIP HOORAY!!!

Karl, I told you to keep in on the leash.

I can just hear the tree huggers now..That mean old shark just attacked the poor innocent seals:smash:

I would tend to think it was a blue shark.
Water is still too cold for a great white .But for blue sharks they will come in close....

Great Whites live primarily in cold water chasing seals.

Blue sharks don't eat seals.

South Africa average water temps: 9°C (49°F) to 20°C (68°F)

Monterey Bay average water temps are the same.

Those are two primary GW habitats. And full of seals.

Water temp at Nauset this past week: 71.

yeah but what about that great white in woods hole a couple years ago, the temps then were above 73 im sure, and he was there

Looks like a harbor seal (or, what's left of one). Too bad - I kinda like them - they've never bothered me.

We've always known that it was only a matter of time before something came in to exploit the food source. I want killers!!

You aint kidding KF, I was looking at CapeCodTimes.com to try and get more details... couldnt even find mention of it!

The only thing that would have made this better is if Whitey had his snack in full view of a boatload of tourons who forked over big bucks for one of those lame "seal watch" cruises. :humpty:

Who the hell would spend money to see what you can see right from the Lighthouse almost any day of the week?

I might pay for a seal watch trip if they could guarantee that the great whites would be included with some "big air" displays!:lurk: :btu: :bl:

I would tend to think it was a blue shark.
Water is still too cold for a great white .But for blue sharks they will come in close....

Haven't you been watching shark week?! :hee:

They tolerate almost any water temp if there's food to be had

Haven't you been watching shark week?! :hee:

They tolerate almost any water temp if there's food to be had

Yup--if they can swim in San Francisco Bay and off Monterrey, Chatham is way comfortable for them :humpty:

The only thing that would have made this better is if Whitey had his snack in full view of a boatload of tourons who forked over big bucks for one of those lame "seal watch" cruises. :humpty:

Who the hell would spend money to see what you can see right from the Lighthouse almost any day of the week?

Oh that would have been priceless! I'd pay to watch the watchers.
Mike were you at the run with a cruiser yesterday afternoon?

http://www.jawsmovie.com/

Oh that would have been priceless! I'd pay to watch the watchers.
Mike were you at the run with a cruiser yesterday afternoon?

Around 7-7:30 in the evening? Yup.

Water is definately not too cold. I spent a few summers a 100 miles north of san fran on the coast. The surf would be 57 or 58 in mid August. Some of the highest concentrations of whites in the world in those waters. Know a young girl who lost her leg to a white while surfing north of san fran ( that was about 8 years ago), she was 15 at the time and luckily lived. Water at the time would have been no more than 60 deg. or so... I was out friday off the vineyard sharking. Came to realize that I know 3 people, directly or close friend of a friend, who have been attacked by sharks. Tiger, white and bull. Thinking maybe I should play their birthdays in the lotto.

Any trollers out there wanna volunteer to tow a plywood seal silhouette around with the umbrellas rigs and the video camera rolling? :wid:

Any trollers out there wanna volunteer to tow a plywood seal silhouette around with the umbrellas rigs and the video camera rolling? :wid:

You ARE aware that its illegal to screw with Great Whites?

Great Whites? What Great Whites? :confused: I thought it was a "boating accident" and that the water was too warm anyway. :faga:

Would be fun to screw with the seal lovers if such a locally occurring video were to "materialize" in the media. And as I am typing this WRKO news just reported that "witnesses reported a seal was attacked by a shark."

Well all I can say is I hope the Shark uses his two way shark communicator and relays to all the other white sharks in the ocean that there's some chubby seals on the cape to be had for brunch just about anytime probably without a fight.Just from reading these boards and hearing about the problems they cause for the surfcasters in the area I hope they all get eaten or at least bit in half.I can see the water in the cape as one big chumslick from seals filled with bluefish,stripers and white sharks.Maybe some of the chewed up seals will wash up with some plugs stuck in there faces so the fisherman can get their plugs back.All too funny IMO.:biglaugh: :biglaugh:

My brother told me the chance of being killed by an Ostrich are greater than the chance of being killed by a Shark. I told him I doubted that because I've never seen an Ostrich where I fish.

The only thing that would have made this better is if Whitey had his snack in full view of a boatload of tourons who forked over big bucks for one of those lame "seal watch" cruises. :humpty:



LMAO :bl2:
reminds me of that time on the west coast they nursed a seal back to life and the day of the big release back to the wild, the seal goes in the water and out of nowhere a killer whale dvours it in front of all the shocked people:rotf3:


we need a great white shark smilie

LMAO :bl2:
reminds me of that time on the west coast they nursed a seal back to life and the day of the big release back to the wild, the seal goes in the water and out of nowhere a killer whale dvours it in front of all the shocked people:rotf3:


It's too bad digital cameras with video were not as prevalent then as they are now... :bl2:

For the person that said Blue sharks don't eat seals... they're wrong....Blue sharks do indeed eat seals. They prefer temps of 44 - 60 degrees but will do fine in waters above 71 degrees.
The cape is full of blue sharks in july and august. They prefer coastal waters.
It might have been a great white but I still think it was a blue shark.
I caught a blue shark last year. about a 10-12 ft approx. 180lbs.
I guess we will never know what type it was unless someone sees it up close or catches it.

You ARE aware that its illegal to screw with Great Whites?
You're kidding...:buds:
Clown..:bshake:

For the person that said Blue sharks don't eat seals... they're wrong....Blue sharks do indeed eat seals. They prefer temps of 44 - 60 degrees but will do fine in waters above 71 degrees.
The cape is full of blue sharks in july and august. They prefer coastal waters.
It might have been a great white but I still think it was a blue shark.
I caught a blue shark last year. about a 10-12 ft approx. 180lbs.
I guess we will never know what type it was unless someone sees it up close or catches it.

Uhh, that isn't a blue shark bite...........

Mac, that pic is not the seal in the news, I grabbed that off the internet, I don't think harbor seals are that big, but maybe they are.

Seems most likely to be a white shark, though I understand that makos will whack seals when they get really big (the bluefish only serve as a snack at that point). I've seen very large makos right off Race Point in only ~15 feet of water, close enough to surfcasters to make them fill their waders if they knew.:shocked:

I'm certainly no shark expert, but I was not aware that blue sharks would take a seal, even the really big blue sharks.

My brother told me the chance of being killed by an Ostrich are greater than the chance of being killed by a Shark. I told him I doubted that because I've never seen an Ostrich where I fish.

:laughs: :hf1: :rotf2:

:grins:

B5545, Where did you hear that Blue sharks eat seals? I'm sure their has been few one offs, but seals are definately not on the blue shark diet. Also you won't really find a blue shark in waters under 50 degrees worldwide, you are more likely to find them in waters of 58-72 degrees. A blue shark that is 9 feet from the nose to the fork in the tail should weigh anywhere from 300-350 pounds.

If it wasn't a Great White in Chatham which it probably was, then it was a Mako. Like someone mentioned earlier, a big Mako will go after seals as well.

Is it illegal to feed seals to sharks :huh: ?

Town's trying to claim it was a tiger shark...

They are Peesed that the folks went to the press too.. knew they would be...

Now.. today's update on CCTimes site...

Aggressive seals are causing a worry..

http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070807/NEWS11/70807005

Take note.. illegal to feed them.. people on the island are hand feeding them bluefish :doh: :whackin:

So..

who is breaking the law when the steal a fish of of your line?...:huh:
feelgooders might try to make that reach....

Tiger sharks are rarer than Whites around these parts and who really cares if it was a Tiger or a white? I think it was most likely a White, and it will happen again. How many last year Karl? 3 or 4 times I think it was. The more seals the more chances of it happening again. Those surfers on short boards should be wary. Sooner or later someone will have a close call or worse. Shark city here we come.

You have to wonder, this attack was witnessed. How many are not?

B5545, Where did you hear that Blue sharks eat seals? I'm sure their has been few one offs, but seals are definately not on the blue shark diet. Also you won't really find a blue shark in waters under 50 degrees worldwide, you are more likely to find them in waters of 58-72 degrees.

I beg to differ. I've seen a blue shark attack our gill net in late december north of nauset within 5 miles of the beach. That water was colder than 50...

If you spend enough time out at Monomoy, there's a chance that you'll see some Mako's and White's. It's the perfect spot for them to come in and feed. The bass and blues come in to forage on the bait that gets knocked around in the rips, the seals come in for the bass, then the sharks come in for the seals, bass and blues. I've seen Blue and Brown sharks finning up out there in pretty good numbers and have heard of several Mako sightings and there was a reported sighting of a Great White by a charter guy a couple of years ago. If the seals are moving up and in along the beaches, the sharks will follow.

So what do you guys think? Big baits and what a 50vsw??? Some balloons and someone to swim the bait out???? :humpty:

Tiger sharks are rarer than Whites around these parts and who really cares if it was a Tiger or a white?

You have to wonder, this attack was witnessed. How many are not?

That's exactly Karl's point, if I'm reading him right. The town seems determined to convince everyone that it was a tiger, which are in fact very rare. "Just an isolated incident, folks, nothing to worry about, Orleans isn't shark city. Come and swim without worry, that blasted tiger shark is probably halfway back to NJ by now". When in fact there are probably at least a dozen whites currently working the seals along that stretch of shore--mostly off the beach, but anyone with any savvy knows they're there.

The feelgooders will side with the cute, cuddly seals over JAWS. It wasn't treehuggers that got whites protected in the first place :humpty:

"Reports of seals waiting for a bluefish to be hooked and then simply pl#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g it off a line are common this year."

Where the f have these guys been for the last 4 years??? I've been plucked a good 50 times in the last 2. I'll bet Slip is in that ballpark too, and I know at least 7-8 other guys to boot.

It is going to make for an interesting year if sharks start feeding on a regular basis. I know I won't just snap it off, but play it and keep it up top. Livelining seal for shark. Maybe I'll get my plug back...

:kewl:

I was thinking the same thing about that line about how suddenly seals are stealing fish off the end of people's lines. "This just in....."

I surf fish about 1/4 as much as I'd like to and that has probably happened to me 25 times in the last three seasons.

Mac, that pic is not the seal in the news, I grabbed that off the internet, I don't think harbor seals are that big, but maybe they are.

Ok, could be a harbor seal though. They can grow up to 250 or 300#s I believe and 6' long.

The tuna guys off Chatham have seen them ( GW's) numerous times this year off Crab, Great Hill and the Regal Sword. Someone had one come up in his spread just inside the BC Buoy last month.

Seals vs. Great Whites, kinda like Godzilla versus Barney

Seals vs. Great Whites, kinda like Godzilla versus Barney

I love you, you eat me, we're happy snack foodee!

FYI B545 we released a 9'5ft Blueshark that went an easy 325, probably 350.. where you get your blueshark numbers is beyond me...

Oh how I have waited for this day///////its like christmas!!!!!:lurk:

B5545, Where did you hear that Blue sharks eat seals? I'm sure their has been few one offs, but seals are definately not on the blue shark diet. Also you won't really find a blue shark in waters under 50 degrees worldwide, you are more likely to find them in waters of 58-72 degrees. A blue shark that is 9 feet from the nose to the fork in the tail should weigh anywhere from 300-350 pounds.

If it wasn't a Great White in Chatham which it probably was, then it was a Mako. Like someone mentioned earlier, a big Mako will go after seals as well.


Blue shark diets include squid and many types of fish such as haddock, cod, pollock and mackerel. They are known to prey upon larger fish such as swordfish & tuna and may sometimes eat seals.

B5545, Where did you hear that Blue sharks eat seals? I'm sure their has been few one offs, but seals are definately not on the blue shark diet. Also you won't really find a blue shark in waters under 50 degrees worldwide, you are more likely to find them in waters of 58-72 degrees. A blue shark that is 9 feet from the nose to the fork in the tail should weigh anywhere from 300-350 pounds.

If it wasn't a Great White in Chatham which it probably was, then it was a Mako. Like someone mentioned earlier, a big Mako will go after seals as well.

Rip runner send me your email and I will sendthe pic of a blue shark I got last year in may. The one i got was around 10 ft and weighed about 200 lbs. If you don't want to give out your email then I will tell you the site the pic is on.

Great Whites live primarily in cold water chasing seals.

Blue sharks don't eat seals.

South Africa average water temps: 9°C (49°F) to 20°C (68°F)

Monterey Bay average water temps are the same.

Those are two primary GW habitats. And full of seals.

Water temp at Nauset this past week: 71.

Blue sharks indeed eat seals.

A Blue shark feed mainly on squid and bony fish. Pelagic fish typically make up the base of the Blue shark's diet, such as swordfish, tuna, mackerel, cod, herring and sea raven. Seals, flatfish, pelagic red crabs and cetacean carrion are also a part of its normal diet. The Blue sharks will frequently attack fish that is already caught by long-lines or similar fishing gear, which unfortunately means that Blue sharks are often ensnared in the equipment themselves. The Blue shark is also known to sometimes eat sea birds and garbage.

[SIZE="6"]The sharks don’t travel in groups, and once a great white feeds, it won’t eat again for weeks, Capone said.


I guess they haven't been watching shark week. On last night show there must have been 20 Great Whites chasing seals off an Island in South Africa. :smash: Does that guy really think that a bite or two out a seal is going to keep a great white going for two weeks? :biglaugh:

They Got what they needed Mike.. One expert to say it, and another to swear to it...

I think we all know, they only are fooling themselves.

Blue sharks indeed eat seals.

A Blue shark feed mainly on squid and bony fish. Pelagic fish typically make up the base of the Blue shark's diet, such as swordfish, tuna, mackerel, cod, herring and sea raven. Seals, flatfish, pelagic red crabs and cetacean carrion are also a part of its normal diet. The Blue sharks will frequently attack fish that is already caught by long-lines or similar fishing gear, which unfortunately means that Blue sharks are often ensnared in the equipment themselves. The Blue shark is also known to sometimes eat sea birds and garbage.


I read the same page you did. It says mamalian carrion That means DEAD. We are talking LIVE seals here. Blue sharks, live seals, uhhhm.....NO

I think we all know, they only are fooling themselves.

Naw, they don't believe it any more than we do--at least I know that Skomal doesn't. They're just being good soldiers.

And this Capone chick is probably some State Rep's cousin--and WTF is the Executive Office of Energy and Envirronmental Affairs??

They Got what they needed Mike.. One expert to say it, and another to swear to it...

I think we all know, they only are fooling themselves.

I can't help but think of the mayor in Jaws! :)

" I'm pleased and happy to repeat the news that we have, in fact, caught and killed a large predator that supposedly injured some bathers. But, as you see, it's a beautiful day, the beaches are open and people are having a wonderful time. Amity, as you know, means "friendship". "


http://www.sensesofcinema.com/images/directors/06/38/jaws.jpg

I beg to differ. I've seen a blue shark attack our gill net in late december north of nauset within 5 miles of the beach. That water was colder than 50...

How long have you been running a Gill Net and how many blue sharks have you seen after October? I'm sure in all your years not many. I'm not saying you didn't see a blue shark in late December, your probably did, but it was certainly a one off situation and most likely a very large fish to be able to sustain itself in water that cold. Blue sharks are not generally found in waters below 50 degrees. Are you sure you didn't see a Porbeagle which are common in Cape Cod Bay in Late December and like colder water?

How long have you been running a Gill Net and how many blue sharks have you seen after October? I'm sure in all your years not many. I'm not saying you didn't see a blue shark in late December, your probably did, but it was certainly a one off situation and most likely a very large fish to be able to sustain itself in water that cold. Blue sharks are not generally found in waters below 50 degrees. Are you sure you didn't see a Porbeagle which are common in Cape Cod Bay in Late December and like colder water?

It was a blue no question about it but you are correct that it was a very large one. Actually the biggest I ever saw. I was standing next to the gunnel looking down at it biting a chunk out of a cod in the net. Pretty cool to watch. I'm not sure what the habits of these sharks are but I think this one was a resident of the area because we saw him every once in a while. We'd try to hit him in the head with the gaff to save our fish.

who said their were no tigers in the area ??

It's great, it's white, it's a shark!

By Amanda Lehmert
Staff Writer
August 08, 2007
CHATHAM – If you weren’t one of the Outer Cape beach-goers who caught a glimpse of a shark munching on a seal last weekend, you may have missed your chance to see the beast feast.

The shark seen off North Beach in Chatham Saturday night was likely a great white, state shark expert Greg Skomal concluded after examining the seal carcass and talking to witnesses, said Lisa Capone, spokeswoman for the Executive Office of Energy and Environmental Affairs.

It’s rare, but not unheard of, to see great whites in the area, Capone said.

“Maybe two times a year they see carcasses that have this signature look of a great white shark attack,” she said.

That is good news for nervous swimmers – and bad news for shark enthusiasts. The sharks don’t travel in groups, and once a great white feeds, it won’t eat again for weeks, Capone said.

Show’s over. Go back to your beach blanket.






So, they admit it is a white.. what happened to the tiget theory they spewed yesterday?

And all's well folks, back on the beach.

Like my son said tho.. why they (Town Hall) worried?.. beach was closed for 39 days for two birds and they didn't care then.. why should they care if people stay away for sharks?

'good news for nervous swimmers" thats too funny, these bozos think it's the only one out there?

Another article from Boston.com with "experts" claiming it was a Great White... similar to the CCT article Karl posted.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/city_region/breaking_news/2007/08/great_white_sha.html?p1=MEWell_Pos3

A few notes on the incident:

I know one of the three persons to witness the complete incidednt and make the first report to Nauset Beach Management. I actually hooked him up with Greg Skomal who was investigating the incident for MA DMF.

I am told that most of the persons interviewed in the paper and on TV were not even there to see the actual attacks (the shark hit the seal twice over about 10 minutes). There were three Campers at the location when it happenned and though three people did see the shark on two occasions it was only after the seal carcass washed up that a crowd gathered. Obviously, people tend to fill in their minds eye when they miss something that others saw. Also, people tend to want to be "involved" to the point they exaggerate, esp when Media gets involved.

Greg Skomal who is the "expert" quoted in the recent articles is truly an "expert", actually a world class expert on Sharks. It is he who determined it was likely a GW by intervews with those that saw the incident. The initial Tiger reports began by those that saw the incident trying to make and id based on their quick view of the tail.

Also, when GW wharks feed they eat until they can not eat anymore, then they digest and eat again. This is probably what the article was talking about with regard to the two week thing.

Thpough I have no love for the town, I do not think they have been dumbing this one down.

No doubt there are lots of Sharks in the area, but this is nothing new. They have been and will be there for many years. this year I have heard reports from fishermen that I know of seeing a large possible GW on Stellwagen in June, a couple reports of a big one (15 plus feet) out at the Sword, and the KeeperReaper report of the Shark off Nauset. Do not forget, the Tuna have been around for a while now and GW eat them too.






Though there were only three Campers at the location and three men that actually saw the complete incident, after the commotion began alll kinds of people showed up.

WMVY regurgitated the party line on the 9 AM newscast, as best as I can recap:

"State officials confirmed that it was a GW. However, THE :rollem: shark is probably long gone and poses no threat to bathers. GWs travel 30-50 miles a day (editorial comment--yeah, when they're not at an all-you-can-eat seal buffet) and there's no reason to think that IT :rollem: is still in the area. GWs go for weeks between meals (did everyone lose sight of the fact that a) this was a harbor seal and b) enough of the carcass was left for Skomal to make a definitive GW ID from the bite?) and even if THE shark is still there, it probably won't be hungry". :wall:

I don't attribute really sinister motives to this, however--not necessarily, that is. Giving them the benefit of the doubt, it may be that they're trying to prevent a boatload of shark posses from going out shark-huntin' for a protected species.

And the truth of the matter is, as MVY closed with a quote from someone from the NE Aquarium, that GWs don't normally feed on swimmers. Most attacks on humans are the result of them mistaking us for a seal.