almost

:rocketem:

1. Team Jersey Shore 497.36
1) Bill Bertsch 52.00 40 shore
2) Mel Martens 51.50 39.62 shore
3) John Abrams 51.35 39.5 shore
4) Jerry Van De Sande 50.99 39.23 shore
5) Bill Cuba 50.70 39 shore
6) Tony Grubiak 48.75 37.5 shore
7) Bill McFadden 48.42 37.25 shore
8) Brian Biedenger 48.10 37 shore
9) Mel Martens 48.10 37 shore
10) Tony Grubiak 47.45 36.5 shore

2.Striped-Bass.com 494.84
1) Joshua Clogston 57.52 44.25 shore
2) Jim Sylvester 54.44 41.88 shore
3) Craig Stockwell. 53.11 40.86 shore
4) Stephen Kasabula 52.49 40.38 shore
5) Tony Orlando 49.79 38.3 shore
6) Sandro Tobias 49.20 37.85 shore
7) Tyler Rhoads 45.76 35.2 shore
8)Mike Luccini 44.72 34.4 shore
9) Tony Orlando 44.20 34 shore
10) Mike Veracka 43.61 33.55 shore

3.Martha's Vineyard Surfcasters 458.10
1) Morgan Taylor 67.60 52 shore
2) Julian Pepper 56.16 43.2 shore
3) Morgan Taylor 50.44 38.8 shore
4) Patrick Toomey 46.41 35.7 shore
5) Charles Loiselle 43.16 33.2 shore
6) Julian Pepper 42.90 33 shore
7) Jim Fraser 39.13 30.1 shore
8) Charles Wendell 39.05
9) Charles Loiselle 36.66 28.2 shore
10) Ron Domurat 36.59 28.15 shore

4. Team #^&#^&#^&#^&s 469.86
1) Nick Warburton 51.90
2) Nick Warburton 51.60
3) Whitney Brush 50.70
4) Miles Whyte 47.80
5) Mark Sherer 47.56
6) Lev Wlodyka 47.10
7) Greg Tayntor 44.60
8) Madeline Bourcier 44.40
9) Alec Gale 43.90
10) Joe Thompson 40.30

5. Team Striper 447.25
1) Ray Jobin 50.60
2) Bruce Coletti 50.16
3) Ray Jobin 47.75
4) William Gavitt 46.44
5) Don Friden 44.70
6) Don Friden 43.75
7) Bo Christenson 43.00
8) Bruce Coletti 41.56
9) Richard Boudreau 40.64
10) Richard Boudreau 38.65

It's getting hot in here..

It's getting hot in here..


It is, but don't take your clothes off....

Guys may not see it coming....But Team Striper is gonna wiegh in some slobs. Youll see a 50lb fish average there, and fish over 60lbs. Those guys fish nearly 7 days a week, and they all catch big. They are just getting into prime time now, this is when youll start seeing some real big fish come up....Best of Luck guys!

Guys may not see it coming....But Team Striper is gonna wiegh in some slobs. Youll see a 50lb fish average there, and fish over 60lbs. Those guys fish nearly 7 days a week, and they all catch big. They are just getting into prime time now, this is when youll start seeing some real big fish come up....Best of Luck guys!

No doubt its far from over. The #^&#^&#^&#^&s guys will likely be players in the final outcome too. Lots of good anglers in this thing.

Without good competition it wouldn't be fun.

Its like people say they hate the Yankees. Without the Yankees , Red Sox baseball would not be nearly as much fun.

Id love to see team SB or Jersey Shore win....

Guys may not see it coming....But Team Striper is gonna wiegh in some slobs. Youll see a 50lb fish average there, and fish over 60lbs. Those guys fish nearly 7 days a week, and they all catch big. They are just getting into prime time now, this is when youll start seeing some real big fish come up....Best of Luck guys!


:kewl:

I think someone has knocked Joshua's leading fish off for team S-B :btu: congrats!

I think someone has knocked Joshua's leading fish off for team S-B :btu: congrats!

:hihi:

(sorry Josh)

JohnR????????????

Commercial season in Mass closes at midnight tonight ;)

Also--#^&#^&#^&#^&'s has an 11 point lead on MV Surfcasters but are still listed in 4th place :confused: :huh:

JohnR????????????


Me? No. Unfortunately I haven't had anything over 20# from shore in weeks... Trying though...

Commercial season in Mass closes at midnight tonight ;)

Also--#^&#^&#^&#^&'s has an 11 point lead on MV Surfcasters but are still listed in 4th place :confused: :huh:

looks like they fixed the standings.

looks like they fixed the standings.

Luds,

I was expecting another weigh in from you this week...what gives?

So.. who went large?

So.. who went large?

That was ME!!!!! oh, wait, that was McDonalds... nevermind

who was it?????? give it up...

Guys may not see it coming....But Team Striper is gonna wiegh in some slobs. Youll see a 50lb fish average there, and fish over 60lbs. Those guys fish nearly 7 days a week, and they all catch big. They are just getting into prime time now, this is when youll start seeing some real big fish come up....Best of Luck guys!


Where is Team Striper from?

:hihi:

(sorry Josh)

hey, i'm a team player. plus I get one more chance at them tonight until next month (I hope).

hey, i'm a team player. plus I get one more chance at them tonight until next month (I hope).

Good luck Josh - wish I had that Mojo right now :wall:

But we'll see if RI turns up the proverbial needle...

John the hey stack is empty :wall: :wall:

Back out again tomorrow night for me I havent been getting much sleep. :vamp:

It is, but don't take your clothes off....

In the summer months I am always naked at the computer..
My girfriend likes me this way...
Just a visual for Ya from the NIB...

John the hey stack is empty :wall: :wall: There were a few needles last night, just not big enough...

In the summer months I am always naked at the computer..
My girfriend likes me this way...
Just a visual for Ya from the NIB...

:laugha:....:yak:

I think someone may have gone large last night. He was clothed. :cheers:

You guys are killing me.

It sounds like there may have been some fish weighed in that are not yet reflected in the standings, so what is our smallest fish now?

I think someone has knocked Joshua's leading fish off for team S-B :btu: congrats!

SPILL IT!!!!
:lurk:

Amazing not a boat fish among them.

Now that comm. is over I think that will change, maybe

SPILL IT!!!!
:lurk:

yeah what the hell? who's livin' large?

I think someone has knocked Joshua's leading fish off for team S-B :btu: congrats!

cough it up slip

who got her and how big was she


sounds like something I asked my friends in the college days after a keg party

sounds like something I asked my friends in the college days after a keg party

we had a trophy for that. :lm:

Now that comm. is over I think that will change, maybe

Hopefully all the known spots will have less pressure. I'll be checkin

we had a trophy for that. :lm:


luds

we did too!

It was almost based on the same rules as the cup.....most weight taked the trophy...

we also had the longest streak

luds

we did too!

It was almost based on the same rules as the cup.....most weight taked the trophy...

we also had the longest streak


I hope you guys have daughters. :)

guys - i'm a little fuzzy on the rules.

what's the minimum size (besides the contest minimum of 36 inches) that can be measured to be included for points for team s-b?

thanks.

-'turbed.

guys - i'm a little fuzzy on the rules.

what's the minimum size (besides the contest minimum of 36 inches) that can be measured to be included for points for team s-b?

thanks.

-'turbed.


sturbed,,,,,,,,,,

top ten fish average weight

10th fish is somewhere around 34 lbs

I weighed in a 32.30 lber sunday morning after the graveyard shift on the rocks and did not even get a sniff at the top ten.

it does go for angler of the year.....but I don't think anyone is going to catch morgan from the vineyard

sturbed,,,,,,,,,,

top ten fish average weight

10th fish is somewhere around 34 lbs

That is for surf. If you are fishing from boat it would have to be bigger than 44.2 assuming someone has weighed in large and knocked the lowest off....

a boat fish would have to be bigger than 43.61

according to earlier in the thread we have a new big fish weighed in, so that fish is being bumped...

I just noticed Tobias had one for ur team.
I rememeber some thread about bent hooks..
He kinda slipped it in there.Or maybe I was not paying attention..
Anyways.......
Nice fish andy..

Thanks Tony:hidin: Lots a big fish that night. That was the largest I was able to land that night. The others, well you saw the hooks and split rings. Wish I could have landed the others. I hope to weigh in one larger before the end of the tournament.

Just saw this in projo.com....this guy is on team striper...

60-Pounder

Big-bass specialist Ray Jobin brought a bass to Breachway Bait & Tackle that weighed 59.75 pounds this week, said Ron Mouchon, owner of the store.

Where is Team Striper from?

Everywhere. Mainly CT, RI, and MA.

Thanks Tony:hidin: Lots a big fish that night. That was the largest I was able to land that night. The others, well you saw the hooks and split rings. Wish I could have landed the others. I hope to weigh in one larger before the end of the tournament.

Well I hope u get one also.
On 9/17....:hihi:

Wish I could have landed the others. I hope to weigh in one larger before the end of the tournament.

take a Troll fishing ....:angel:

Anyone know what our bottom fish is know???

35.2 as far as I know, anyone know when they post updates

:cheers:

1.Striped-Bass.com 519.76
1) Michael Ludlow 59.28 45.6 shore
2) Joshua Clogston 57.52 44.25 shore
3) Jim Sylvester 54.44 41.88 shore
4) Michael Ludlow 53.45 41.12 shore
5) Craig Stockwell. 53.11 40.86 shore
6) Stephen Kasabula 52.49 40.38 shore
7) Tony Orlando 49.79 38.3 shore
8) Sandro Tobias 49.20 37.85 shore
9) Tyler Rhoads 45.76 35.2 shore
10)Mike Luccini 44

:musc: :claps: :claps: :claps: :claps: :claps: :claps: :bgi: :kewl:

Club Leaders

1.Striped-Bass.com 519.76
1) Michael Ludlow 59.28 45.6 shore
2) Joshua Clogston 57.52 44.25 shore
3) Jim Sylvester 54.44 41.88 shore
4) Michael Ludlow 53.45 41.12 shore
5) Craig Stockwell. 53.11 40.86 shore
6) Stephen Kasabula 52.49 40.38 shore
7) Tony Orlando 49.79 38.3 shore
8) Sandro Tobias 49.20 37.85 shore
9) Tyler Rhoads 45.76 35.2 shore
10)Mike Luccini 44.72 34.4 shore

2. Team Jersey Shore 497.36
1) Bill Bertsch 52.00 40 shore
2) Mel Martens 51.50 39.62 shore
3) John Abrams 51.35 39.5 shore
4) Jerry Van De Sande 50.99 39.23 shore
5) Bill Cuba 50.70 39 shore
6) Tony Grubiak 48.75 37.5 shore
7) Bill McFadden 48.42 37.25 shore
8) Brian Biedenger 48.10 37 shore
9) Mel Martens 48.10 37 shore
10) Tony Grubiak 47.45 36.5 shore

3. Team #^&#^&#^&#^&s 469.86
1) Nick Warburton 51.90
2) Nick Warburton 51.60
3) Whitney Brush 50.70
4) Miles Whyte 47.80
5) Mark Sherer 47.56
6) Lev Wlodyka 47.10
7) Greg Tayntor 44.60
8) Madeline Bourcier 44.40
9) Alec Gale 43.90
10) Joe Thompson 40.30

Nice work guys!

Minimum is now a 35ish Shore and a 45ish boat :btu:

I have another on the way (weigh slip didn't make it in on time) from last week. So 35.2# surf is the minimum.

Maybe we should try to keep our own unofficial track of our top 10, just to keep from weighing in fish unnecessarily during the week between official updates?

Nice work. I bet they trim the 1.3 surf factor a little next year, I would bet some feel the boat guys are out of it.

Nice work. I bet the trim the 1.3 surf factor a little next year, I would bet some feel the boat guys are out of it.


Wait and see how Team Striper finishes ;) Ray Jobin's 60 is still worth more than any of SB's fish. If #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& was in, RISAA would have a 60 and a 50+ in their column, too.

If Team Striper breaks 500 points, I'd say the field is pretty level.

[QUOTE=Mike P;518467]If #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& was in, RISAA would have a 60 and a 50+ in their column, too.
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I thought #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& caught both of his in the same week? If so, only the 50 would be on the board.

weather we win or not, I think you guys have proven that S-B has some of the best surfcasters out there to win over the boat guys would be freakin' awesome though. I guess I need to catch some fish...

How many members do s-b have on the team? Is there a limit to the number of members a team can have? In all fairness the score should be normalized by the size of the team.

Wow - some impressive catches. That Team Striper roster looks like the Who's Who of pinhookers. Also recognize a few names that were "free agents" after last year and signed on to new teams looking for a shot at glory. Still not crazy about this thing but good luck to Striped-bass.com.

DZ

How many members do s-b have on the team? Is there a limit to the number of members a team can have? In all fairness the score should be normalized by the size of the team.

I would guess there are somewhere between 30 and 40 sparticipants from this site that indicated they were part of the team. I would also think some of the larger groups like rissa and msba would be competive size wise. There were some other groups that looked like they could be big too who knows. I would hope OTW would put a cap on it for next year if we somehow had a much larger team than everyone else.

the other thing is, we're not the only web site around, I'm sure nothing is stopping other sites from fielding a team if they wanted to, so I'd say it's fair

How many members do s-b have on the team? Is there a limit to the number of members a team can have? In all fairness the score should be normalized by the size of the team.


I would say we have about 30 registered for the Tourney. So some more and some less than other teams.

Team S-B's advantages could be:


We have a good collection of anglers competing
We are benefiting from the "shore bass" ratio
We are benefiting from having anglers all over though the fish have come from 3 predominant regions this year: RI shore, Ditch, Mass North Shore (we also don't place in any location specific categories because of this)


Advantages Team S-B is not having:

No boat "Ringers"
No Commercial Boat Pros
No Large registrations


Other groups well represented by Shore guys:

Team Jersey Shore 497.36
all 10 from Shore

Martha's Vineyard Surfcasters 466.88
9 of 10 fish from shore

RISAA 357.58
4 of 10 from shore

Jersey Shore Surfcasters 348.47
9 of 10 fish from shore

"Fair" will certainly be a moving target in this competition. Last year the boat guys, especially heavy commercial boat guys, dominated this tourney. So last year the fairness was questioned by the disadvantage to the shore guys and the non commercial guys. Changes were made for the points ratio (I wouldn't be surprised if some boat guys are complaining hard about that this year). This year, Jersey fielded two good teams with mostly surfcasters and those results speak too. The time range of the Tourney seems to favor the boat guys too.

If the scoring was normalized by the amount of members, where else should it be normalized? Boat -v- Shore was done (and could be further tweaked), Rec -v- Comm?

I think every year there will be factors that contribute to how well a team does or not and those factors will change yearly too. This year the Jersey guys had a ton of pogies. Did that stop fish that should have gone from the Chesapeake to the Cape? what other facotrs could change the balance next year? No pogies in RI but all in Buzzards Bay or off the Islands? All in Boston Harbor?

[QUOTE=Mike P;518467]If #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& was in, RISAA would have a 60 and a 50+ in their column, too.
QUOTE]

I thought #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& caught both of his in the same week? If so, only the 50 would be on the board.

I guess it might depend on when in the week he caught it. ;)

I'll have to check the rules. I know that the MV Derby has a rule that a fish must be weighed and entered within 12 hours of the time it's caught. Dunno whether OTW has a similar rule. :huh:

And I still haven't weighed a decent fish in for team s-b.com, sorry guys.. :(

And I still haven't weighed a decent fish in for team s-b.com, sorry guys.. :(

me neither johnny....but Im trying like hell...and hope to soon...:lasso:

I wish I could help with the points, But I am just to lazy to go and fish:gu:

I would guess there are somewhere between 30 and 40 sparticipants from this site that indicated they were part of the team. I would also think some of the larger groups like rissa and msba would be competive size wise. There were some other groups that looked like they could be big too who knows. I would hope OTW would put a cap on it for next year if we somehow had a much larger team than everyone else.

We had a pretty big team also..Yet some of the guys who I fish with did not enter.
That does not matter if u ask me.
Nice fish Luds..U did the right thing an it paid off for ya..
I'm happy to see it..

I think the only thing they may do is change the conversion rate on surf fish to 1.2. As far as limiting the size of a team, I don't feel that will happen as it discourages participation and entry fees.
With regard to who has the advantage, its only the second year of the tourney and while s-b is primarily surf fishermen and a number of guys have had a good year, that doesn’t mean next year will be the same. We could suck wind next year because that’s how surf fishing is.
I think the tourney is pretty fairly set up overall, and OTW will make changes as needed to keep things equitable for both sides. (boat and surf)
Disclaimer: I am not an OTW employee, just another squid with a point of view.

Real nice job guys. Some very nice numbers there.

I think the only thing they may do is change the conversion rate on surf fish to 1.2. As far as limiting the size of a team, I don't feel that will happen as it discourages participation and entry fees.
With regard to who has the advantage, its only the second year of the tourney and while s-b is primarily surf fishermen and a number of guys have had a good year, that doesn’t mean next year will be the same. We could suck wind next year because that’s how surf fishing is.
I think the tourney is pretty fairly set up overall, and OTW will make changes as needed to keep things equitable for both sides. (boat and surf)
Disclaimer: I am not an OTW employee, just another squid with a point of view.

i agree with all of the above

[QUOTE=Mike P;518535][QUOTE=Steve K;518479]

I guess it might depend on when in the week he caught it. ;)

QUOTE]

Exactly

[QUOTE=Mike P;518535][QUOTE=Steve K;518479]

I guess it might depend on when in the week he caught it. ;)

QUOTE]

Exactly

I re-read the rules twice, and I see nothing there that would make it illegal to weigh a fish in a day or two after it was caught--as long as it was caught in accordance with state regs on bag limits :huh:

Angler’s are allowed to enter and weigh only one (1) fish per week

Angler’s are allowed to enter and weigh only one (1) fish per week

I know. Steve and I were wondering about whether it would be Kosher for someone to say, catch two nice fish on a Saturday, enter one, and then enter the second the following Monday at the start of a new week ;)

I don't see anything that specifically says you can't :confused: :huh:

Rhode Island Mobile Sportsfishermen has a team in the tourney and their membership is capped at 600 members. Whats to stop all the membership from going out and giving it hell :buds:

I know. Steve and I were wondering about whether it would be Kosher for someone to say, catch two nice fish on a Saturday, enter one, and then enter the second the following Monday at the start of a new week ;)

I don't see anything that specifically says you can't :confused: :huh:

Thats true Mike, it says "enter" nothing about when it was caught!

Sounds like the "Barry Bonds" defense

I'm a shore fisherman and have to say that the balance has shifted too far to the shore fisherman this year. The boat fisherman had an advantage last year, but this year now the shore fisherman do. 1.3 is too high a number and unrealistic for boat fisherman. I agree with the 1.2 or even 1.15. A 52# average is not realistic. I'd like to see a cap of 25 per team, that way the playing field is leveled and there is nothing that can be done about the range, i.e. having members from New Jersey to Maine.

Another great thought would be to have a shore striper cup and a boat striper cup and get rid of the conversion ratio all together. The MV Derby has created two seperate events for just this reason. It is too hard to get the shore and boat fisherman to get along or to agree on anything. A 52# bass from the shore is a great fish, but not unlikely. For a boat fisherman to catch a 67.6# bass is HIGHLY unlikely. How has the playing field been leveled or fair?

They DEFINITELY have to work out how the weigh slips are handled. If a tackle shop wants to be a weigh station it must be mandatory that they have a fax machine. Go spend the $100 or less, buy a fax machine and fax those weigh slips at the end of each day. If a weigh slip is not faxed within 24 hours that fish is disqualified and that weigh station is no longer able to be a weigh station. It is absurd that these weigh stations are holding their slips for over a week and discarding a weigh slip if a guy caught a bigger fish that week. It is happening. 24 hour time limit and the time and date need to be on the weigh slip.

It is also crazy that you can ONLY fish from boat or shore. I love to fish with my friends from their boats. If I catch a big fish from the boat I can do nothing with it. Ooo, I can get a pounder pin, but I can't contribute to my team. They say it discourages cheating, but wouldn't this encouraging cheating even more?

It is only the second year of this tournament so they still have some bugs to be worked out, these are some of them. I like this tournament, it gives me motivation, especially in late July and August and I like the competitive nature in it.

i dont agree with 25 man per team cap.there are clubs with hundreds of members.a 52lb from the surf is rare. correct me if iam wrong but theres only 1 surf 50lber while thers quite a few boat 50,s

Go Trolls !!!!

Why should you limit who participates?.. After all it's called fishing and not catching.. I should know.. you guys need any bluefish?

i think livinit makes some very good points.

My feelings:

1) I think the shore conversion should be bumped down to 1.2
2) I think that shops should have to fax in slips daily
3) I think that OTW should stay on top of their site and update daily
4) You should be allowed to fish from boat or shore for the club tourney.
5) I think you should have to weigh in a fish within 12 hrs of catching it.

To limit to 25 people completely defeats the purpose of it being a 'club' event. Most clubs have more than 25 members.

Overall, though, i do love this tourney....

btw, we would still be in the lead if the factor was 1.2

I think it's time for 2 divisions, shore and boat. Look at the way most of the teams are built. Either shore or boat. It would be tough for OTW from a prize and sponsorship perspective, but in a lot of other ways it makes sense.

Saw some more Team Striper monsters weighed in at the shop today, so it's not over yet, but that s-b.com points total and average adjusted fish weight average is fairly daunting at this point.

Fairly Daunting??

Why should you limit who participates?.. After all it's called fishing and not catching.. I should know.. you guys need any bluefish?

25 is an arbritary number, make it 30 or whatever, but there should be a cap. How does having a team like S-B.com who has 100's of members along the entire east coast fair to local teams who do not have the opportunity internet based teams have? One and only way to level it is to put a cap. Have S-B.com have several teams if they have so many members. Have a S-B.com Team 1, Team 2, etc. and possibly start a calcutta between the several S-B.com teams as a side competition. Putting a cap is not limiting participants . . . you can still fish the tournament as an angler. Putting a cap will create more teams, more participants.

25 is an arbritary number, make it 30 or whatever, but there should be a cap. How does having a team like S-B.com who has 100's of members along the entire east coast fair to local teams who do not have the opportunity internet based teams have? One and only way to level it is to put a cap. Have S-B.com have several teams if they have so many members. Have a S-B.com Team 1, Team 2, etc. and possibly start a calcutta between the several S-B.com teams as a side competition. Putting a cap is not limiting participants . . . you can still fish the tournament as an angler. Putting a cap will create more teams, more participants.

I disagree with a cap. It’s a fun tournament with good competition. As far as the teams go, it’s a trophy only prize. If there were substantial dollar value prizes for the teams, I would agree with you. S-B has a lot of users, but based primarily out of Mass/RI. That's where all of our landings come from, and they are all shore fish.
Technically, you are an S-B member seeing as you posted here, but the core team is really only the 25-30 guys that signed up. As I've said already, lower the ratio on the surf caught fish to 1.15 or 1.2 and the field will be pretty level, IMO.

I agree that the factor is too high. 1.2 or 1.15 seam about right to me. Separating things completely into boat and surf would just split things up and take something away from it IMO.

If we do win, do we all get to take the cup for a day and parade it around our towns like the stanley cup? :hihi:

When the rules first came out for this year I said 1.3 was too much. I feel 1.1 is more than enough and I fish from shore.

I disagree with a cap.

If the rules could be more clear and could do away with possible cheating, that would be a plus.

The tournament ends way too early in the year in my opinion and many others. I guess they want me to sign up still as I got an application in the mail yesterday.

It's just a trophy. They're trying to re-create the spirit of the Schaeffer Cup. The club thing is supposed to be about friendly competition. A club with 100 members of every skill level, or a club with 15 cherry picked high-liners, all of whom are full-time comms in season, and fish 5-6 nights out of season---which has a better edge?

luds and clogston were both good enough and lucky enough to find a body of nice fish that stuck around for awhile--that's the only reason we're in the lead.

All of this back and forth is what's soured me on this, and why I'm on "inactive" status and almost definitely won't enter again. Imagine if there was real money at stake :doh:

Mike, don't let a little healthy debate sour you.

It is all in good fun.

just curious, as ive yet to weigh anything in, what canal area shops do weigh ins? I know M+D's but outside of that I wouldnt know where to go?

The 1.3 factor , etc can be easily recalculated each year and it will become more and more stable as the calculation involves multiple years of final data. Last year it was 1 to 1 . That was too much advantage for boats. This year its 1.3 , that , some say , is too much advantage for shore , we will see when this years results are final. Next year they can recalculate the multiplier using 2 years of data . Its really simple to continuously update the multiplier using a running avergae , year to year , with the multiplier equalizing the first place or first five places between mostly shore teams and mostly boat teams.

Number of members being restricted is against the whole point of the tourney. The tourney exists so people can participate , not so that some club can win a trophy! I am signed up on the S_B team this year but until my hip is operated on , I won't get a fish. I knew this before I signed up . I signed up so I can go to the party at the end with my firends. Why should that be limited? In fact I think there should be a trophy for the team that has the most number of paid entries.

just curious, as ive yet to weigh anything in, what canal area shops do weigh ins? I know M+D's but outside of that I wouldnt know where to go?

here ya go
http://www.onthewater.com/stripercupstriperstations.html

Well just to keep the debate going, Internet teams with thousands of members spread across a wide geographic area have the potential to assemble a massive army of fishermen (good, bad or otherwise), which can drawf the smaller local clubs. In the Shaffer days there was no Internet teams, just local clubs. Imagine a team with a 1000 fishermen spread from NJ to MA culling the best 10 fish vs a team of a dozen or two fishermen from a local club fishing the same area. Who do you think has an advantage? Statistically there is a strong advantage to the team with the largest numbers.
You don't have to take draconian measures and limit team size at all...rather normalize the score based on team size so that the score reflects an equivalent team size. I don't know if this is the case at all and it may not be an issue but the way I see it allow a mega teams with out normalizing discourages smaller teams from even entering.

very nice...
thank you.

Disclaimer: I am not participating in the tournament, mainly because I never catch fish big enough to enter and also because I’m not a “social” fisherman, not interested in the outing/competition. I’m also a catch and release fan (not to derail!!), except for the purpose of eating fish.

That said, I do get psyched when S-B is in the lead and all of you catch and enter fish.

My take is from the OTW perspective, there is certainly a marketing and exposure element for the magazine, it gets there name out there and helps keep subscribers engaged. But mostly, I think this is a true effort to bring the striped bass community together. The tournament is supposed to be FUN.
If I was at OTW, and kept getting all this feedback, its obvious that the tournament has not brought the community together, its pulled it apart and lost its purpose of having FUN. OTW may just say F’em, we tried but this is too much work and cancel any future tournaments.

That said, I may have already ruined the future sponsorship from Harpoon. I was visting my friend in Maine who’s sister in law works for Harpoon and helped coordinate the striperfest last year. She is VERY earthy (aka PETA) and I was surprised she was involved. She told me its no big deal, it’s a catch and release tournament. I told her its not and that I have been there when fish were weighed in, they were dead. HSe argued with me for awhile. She was pretty upset, so……maybe I screwed that one up…….

Are We the Yankees, Of Striped -Bass Fishing?


Imagine a team with a 1000 fishermen spread from NJ to MA culling the best 10 fish vs a team of a dozen or two fishermen from a local club fishing the same area.

A self Proclaimed evil empire of salt water fisherman.. Lined up like legions of roman soldiers all wearing waders and holding surf rods like spears..

Sorry, just the description of a massive horde of surfcasters is a funny image to think about. :) :) :) :)

They post the results on the internet too.:eek: :shocked: :uhoh: Welcome to the 21st century.:spin:

I'm fine with a number of anglers cap but don't fault a team for being more organized.

how many members does risaa have? or msba or mbba or rims? we dont need a cap.

Well just to keep the debate going, Internet teams with thousands of members spread across a wide geographic area have the potential to assemble a massive army of fishermen (good, bad or otherwise), which can drawf the smaller local clubs. In the Shaffer days there was no Internet teams, just local clubs. Imagine a team with a 1000 fishermen spread from NJ to MA culling the best 10 fish vs a team of a dozen or two fishermen from a local club fishing the same area. Who do you think has an advantage? Statistically there is a strong advantage to the team with the largest numbers.
You don't have to take draconian measures and limit team size at all...rather normalize the score based on team size so that the score reflects an equivalent team size. I don't know if this is the case at all and it may not be an issue but the way I see it allow a mega teams with out normalizing discourages smaller teams from even entering.

But 4 of the SB fish are from 2 guys, some other teams have multiples also...
So if 40% of a teams fish come from 2 guys how does that affect the statistical advantage of having many members spread out over hundreds of miles.
Hey, I can just barely add so I'll never figure that out.

Be careful that is post 666 :devil2:

The 1.3 factor , etc can be easily recalculated each year and it will become more and more stable as the calculation involves multiple years of final data. Last year it was 1 to 1 . That was too much advantage for boats. This year its 1.3 , that , some say , is too much advantage for shore , we will see when this years results are final. Next year they can recalculate the multiplier using 2 years of data . Its really simple to continuously update the multiplier using a running avergae , year to year , with the multiplier equalizing the first place or first five places between mostly shore teams and mostly boat teams.

Number of members being restricted is against the whole point of the tourney. The tourney exists so people can participate , not so that some club can win a trophy! I am signed up on the S_B team this year but until my hip is operated on , I won't get a fish. I knew this before I signed up . I signed up so I can go to the party at the end with my firends. Why should that be limited? In fact I think there should be a trophy for the team that has the most number of paid entries.

You don't have to be on a team to go to the Striper Fest. You just have to be signed up for the Striper Cup. You can do that as an individual angler and still have a shot at winning the boat and partying with your friends. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can even go as a guest, but you won't have your name in for the drawing for the boat . . . right? But I agree with you about finding the right average . . . it most likely will take a few years to figure everything out. It's only the second year they're doing this . . . and to my understanding they are pretty understaffed at OTW and only a couple guys are running this thing. They need more staff and a new web site coordinator. I'd really like to see that web site updated a hell of a lot more than it is now.

You don't have to be on a team to go to the Striper Fest. You just have to be signed up for the Striper Cup. You can do that as an individual angler and still have a shot at winning the boat and partying with your friends. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can even go as a guest, but you won't have your name in for the drawing for the boat . . . right? But I agree with you about finding the right average . . . it most likely will take a few years to figure everything out.

What is a fair factor on boat -v- shore? I was thinking about this lately. We can't predict if a year is going to be beneficial to the boat guys or the shore folk or a draw ;) so would this have an impact on 1.2, 1.25, or 1.3 ? Would this number vary by year?


Yep, Striperfest is for teams and individuals as well as guest. Last year they passed out extra invites to various teams, maybe they'll do the same again this year. Turnout last year was pretty good considering the weather blew...


It's only the second year they're doing this . . . and to my understanding they are pretty understaffed at OTW and only a couple guys are running this thing. They need more staff and a new web site coordinator. I'd really like to see that web site updated a hell of a lot more than it is now.

I'd get OTW humming with a real nice site ;) - part time ;) . But the guy doing it is a nice guy and in all fairness probably has a lot on his plate (though if he left I would surely apply :love: ).

Hmmmm, maybe the New England edition of The Fisherman needs a web guy :spam: :rotf2: - I wonder if Herr Editor has any thoughts on that :uhuh:

anybody finds weird that not one fish in all the years this thing has been around was entered by NY anglers?We really must be googans...........

anybody finds weird that not one fish in all the years this thing has been around was entered by NY anglers?We really must be googans...........

Curious as to why you guys don't field a team?

Would make for a good coastwide battle.

I run the contest for The Fisherman magazine,year round ,15 NY surf clubs.Its basically an honor system other than for largest fish of the year which either has to be weighted in the tackle shop or can be witnessed and released by another member of any club participating in the contest.Its more for bragging rights than anything else ,nobody should take it too serious...........however ,most of the fish are released.My club ,High Hill Striper hasn't killed a fish this year (that I know of) strange considering they are in first place and have many biggest of specie ranking including biggest bluefish of 20+ pounds.
What I trying to say ,I cant see NY anglers killing a fish for a contest.......not that there is anything wrong with it ,of course :D

anybody finds weird that not one fish in all the years this thing has been around was entered by NY anglers?We really must be googans...........

It's only been around a year and a half, Z ;)

But I lived on LI for many years and know from what you speak.

Here, I have to explain myself when I release a nice fish :hs:

On LI, I'd get dirty looks if I kept one. :D

You guys police yourself very well, too, in that club contest. :btu:

Mike the best line I always hear is, if your no going to keep that fish can I have it? And I always answer, if I wanted this fish to Die I would keep it myself