10/30/07 at Snow Library 5:30p.m.A panel discussion will be held for the following topics.beach closures to help plovers;impact of dune migration on parking and beach access;local modifications to the con. comms. order of conditions;town revenue losses from beach closures ,and regulation of dogs on the beach.FEATURED PANELISTS:Paul Fulcher,dir.of parks&beaches orl.;Arnold Hensen,chrmn. orleans conn.comm.;Bob Prescott,dir.Mass.Audubon Wellfleet;Scott Melvin,Div.Marine F&W zoologist;George Price,supr.C.C.National Seashore;& Susie Vonoettinggen,biologist U.S. Wildlife Comm's Endangered Species Program.if you want to hear what's going to happen[or not happen] on any beach this will be the place.This is a "MUST" to attend.I can't remember when all these people were in the same place at the same time.You all know the :crying:"ANTI'S" will be there.Well,WE need to be there also.

Can't make it...

Too bad there is not a Rec on that panel, eh?

this is being "presented"by THE ORLEANS CITIZENS FORUM .I don't know who the "forum"is comprised of that is presenting this discussion.KARL F could you shed some light on this?

my mind has been running all day.I want to hear what THEY have to say in the 2 hrs allotted.that leaves 20 mins for each panelist.I've got a couple of simple things if time allows but winter is coming and there will be more "meetings"[there better be].

The timing of this meeting on the *Future* of the beach is kind of Ironic... Wednesday Night.. the Board of Selectmen/Park-Beach Commisioners, meet to discuss the possibility of the Town applying for a Section 10 Permit... I will be all ears if this is discussed tonight, as I have already heard thru the grapevine (Small Town) that current beach management, if a Section 10 permit was aquired, would only escort ORV's thru the bird corridors, during daylight hours.... this would allow day use of the beach, and campers would have to stay put after dark... during plover season... but... no "nightimte" travel... does not bode well for the mobile fisherman.. and it really just sounds like an enforcement issue.......(not wanting to pay for the night shifts...)

in all fairness, night time travel through nesting areas doesn't seem like a good idea. just think of all the ""jerks"" who would be driving through at night. even the most well intentioned and aware would eventually run something over in the darkness. and we all know that responsible people are a dwindling minority these days. escorted or not. even the escorts could get careless. especially if they are just escorting for the pay. it's probably 80-85% willingness to pay, and 15-20% trust issue.
obviously mostly the willingness to pay. but in todays world from a conservation standpoint. i dont trust people as far as can throw them. if we could trust people to be responsible this wouldn't even be an issue. could just say "hey don't disturb them" and that would be that. wouldn't that be nice..... ::dreams::

:rtfm:more regulations is what we need...oh! also higher fees.that will solve everything.:yak:

they couldn't get a quarum last night, but will be trying agin next Monday.. higher fees on the ballot.. for Residents.. they are looking for 60 instead of 40.... Bob... c'mon... 60 is a deal... even if the inlet is closed for two months.... but.. i hear ya.. pay more, get less.. it does suck... here is a killer quote from one of the selectmen.. when I was bitchin at them one day (not at a meeting, mind you).. was off topic and telling what I remember doing, how it used to be, how we could come and go as we pleased..... and the answer was..

"Oh c'mon!.. You don't really think you'd be doing that forever.. did you?"...

My jaw dropped..
but it really shed a light as to how wide the gap is between us and them...
Because...

YES!... I Did!

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i stand corrected.. i guess its a 99.9% money issue. cept i don't see how making people pay would overshadow the loss of revenue. unless of course ALL the die hards actually paid.

if that is indeed true and its about the cash. boycott. i hate to put the pressure on the townsfolk. but if people refuse to pay they will lose out big time, and thus be forced to reverse the decision. and then the townsfolk will eventually reap the benefits of a prospering beach town once again.

good mornin karl.personnally,the price of the stickers has never been an issue with me.the "thorn"in my saddle is all the rules[and the lack of enforcement of the rules] and how the money is spent.my peeve right now is the money spent for the southside air station that's CLOSED.I carry my own air to air-up coming off the beach.The beach trails are getting beat to death.This was a great idea when the town put this in a couple of years ago.Unfortunately now that it's closed people don't let much, if any air out and plow their way out and back.Building a "guard shack"in front of a guard shack?A computer system? see you got me going:scream2:!I was on the southside most morns.last week.till around noon.had the beach mostly to myself[great]no patrol.saturday morn.beach patrol[overtime?].I've got to go for walk.

KARL ;i just got back from the selectmans meeting.the board voted unanimously to look into the"process"of obtaining the permit.1 was not in favor of the permit and 1 was not in favor of the permit if it meant the"kill" of anything.the town is going to chatham to get their input because they have to be on board at the get-go.financing for the application is going to be another issue.Paul made a good presentation all and all.I didn't have to open my big yap.

I just returned from NC dealing with the same issues (and more) on behalf of the RFA.

I know that myself and others from the MBBA access committee will be in attendance at the forum.

The fact that the selectman are even willing to consider a section 10 is a huge improvement. Prior to a september meeting hosted by MBBA Access Committee tha featured a presentation about section 10 permits by our lawyer, the powers that be were on record as being not interested in a section 10. This new at least open mindedness should give us all some hope. We need a big turnout for the forum.

During Paul Fulchers report he stated"Each panelist is allotted a ten minute presentation on their issue so that will not leave much time for "discussion".My thought is to have "short,respectful and to the point questions.Also,no discussion or point was made to change the sticker feesat the selectmans meeting.

Karl,

I actually posted a release/update from the committee here on this board that spoke of the meeting. It was a private business meeting (no press, no public, not even open to the membership). Lawyers, committee members and most of the beach managers and some dignitaries). It went very well. Reaction and effects ongoing.