I see lots of threads where the only thing that can describe what's going on is "men behaving badly". I think we need a special forum where threads like that can go but not be closed or deleted. I think people should be responsible for what they post. If they behave badly , the posts should hang around there neck like an anchor for a good long time. No more 50 derogatory posts then a plea to delete the threads and posts. you post it , you live with it and it becomes part of your internet personallity for all to see.

Right now , people post anything they want cause if it gets heated or people fight back it all gets wiped out like it never happened. why behave at all when all will be erased. Why not just blurt it out , , hurt feelings , make enemies since after a while all is forgiven with a delete button.



People need to be held accountable for what they say and to do that , what they post needs to remain visible for all to see.

now I see a need for some exceptions but that should consist of edited posts for super stupid personal stuff or blatantly threatening talk that could later bite some one but if someone just wants to be an a-hole for the day , well that should stay up so people know who the A holes are after repeated performances.

What do other people think?

agreed.

i love the conflict, and I hate seeing those threads deleted, & even locked.

i would love to see a "dumpster" or something where bad threads go to live and fester. out of the way so they don't clog up the main forums.

and i think that you restrict it so that people can't start threads in the dumpster, only bad threads get moved there. otherwise it just becomes another 'scuppers'

or maybe a "men behaving like 2 yr. olds" forum, or "men who think they're god's gift to the internet surfcasting community" forum :rollem:

i love the conflict, and I hate seeing those threads deleted, & even locked.

i would love to see a "dumpster" or something where bad threads go to live and fester. out of the way so they don't clog up the main forums.

and i think that you restrict it so that people can't start threads in the dumpster, only bad threads get moved there. otherwise it just becomes another 'scuppers'

zac is brilliant

My concern is why should we allow the bad blood and attacks to further grate on people? Give people the opportunity to attack and pig pile?

Some people do it because they are angry.

Some to set other people off.

Some for sport.

And some, well, they just can't help themselves.

What is the answer?

My concern is why should we allow the bad blood and attacks to further grate on people? Give people the opportunity to attack and pig pile?

Some people do it because they are angry.

Some to set other people off.

Some for sport.

And some, well, they just can't help themselves.

What is the answer?

Close and delete please. Otherwise I'll get nothing done. :lurk:

Answer is easy John, Just toss the offenders off the site or put them in the bullpen( yes me included!)..cant be more easy than a mouse click! Doesnt seem that complicted to me...

However, when something bothers me I will speak up...heart on sleve , whatever you want to call it, thats me...I wont lie, I wont sit back, and I wont run to the dear abby column..But not meaning this as a slight, the truth is, its very easy for you to take away posting privledges of anyone you want with the click of your mouse and then the problems are over...and you can certainly start with me! None of this has anything to do with you and I realize that...but your answer is right there

My concern is why should we allow the bad blood and attacks to further grate on people? Give people the opportunity to attack and pig pile?

Some people do it because they are angry.

Some to set other people off.

Some for sport.

And some, well, they just can't help themselves.

What is the answer?

why do people slow down to look at a car crash?

Its in our nature i guess.

if you make the dumpster forum, and thow it down towards the bottom, only those who dare enter will be further grated upon, and those who slug it out can have at it....

it will probably die pretty quick if it is not in the main forum.

I don't know, sounds like a private mens club to me. :bl:
We'll need proof of the behavior in order to become a member.
Maybe it should stay as the Grumpy of pharts forum.

can i be the moderator? :btu:

Answer is easy John, Just toss the offenders off the site or put them in the bullpen( yes me included!)..cant be more easy than a mouse click! Doesnt seem that complicted to me...

However, when something bothers me I will speak up...heart on sleve , whatever you want to call it, thats me...I wont lie, I wont sit back, and I wont run to the dear abby column..But not meaning this as a slight, the truth is, its very easy for you to take away posting privledges of anyone you want with the click of your mouse and then the problems are over...and you can certainly start with me! None of this has anything to do with you and I realize that...but your answer is right there

you didn't do anything wrong. you said how you felt about an article. for that fact, an article that made specific allusions to you.

maybe i guess it got a little ugly towards the end, but overall, and IMHO, you had the right to say what you did, even if it pisses some people off.

again, JIMHO.

ZS

you didn't do anything wrong. you said how you felt about an article. for that fact, an article that made specific allusions to you.

maybe i guess it got a little ugly towards the end, but overall, and IMHO, you had the right to say what you did, even if it pisses some people off.

again, JIMHO.

ZS

Your right Zac, I had every right to give my opinion on that article, once an article is published it becomes the publics right to say whatever they feel about...Quotes in that article were directly taken from things said on this site and 100% directed at a few certain peole, there is ABSOLUTLY no denying that...I stated how I felt about and thats that, if you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen...Trust me I have been on the other side many times, it goes with the territory..and thats that..I am sick and tired of having to tread a fine line with what is supposed to be grown men...Have I been attacked?? are you kidding me?

John has told me I ask for it...that is mostly true...At least I say what I feel and tell the truth..I dont sugar coat anything..Most people dance around things here because they are S!@#K ARSES They are deathly afraid of losing there internet buddies..yada...yada...yada..


When it all comes down to it, who really cares? everyone is different and everyone has there opinions, no one on here is more right or wrong than the next guy...and saying they are or taking sides is akin to playing god or acting like the thrid reich...Its all about ...I am sure plenty of good friendships have been made here thats great! But if people cant say what they feel, what do you have?? you have nothing, never knowing there true feelings or never telling the truth...It is what it is...

Now watch! This thread will get the "hook" also....with the excuse that is has gotton "stupid" when it involves me thats just the way it is!

Ok I am off to visit Steve...

My opinion-

I wouldn't change a thing on the site.

Why would you? It is a great site "as is".

I get 10X the value out of this site versus the other(s).

When I want to read/learn about fishing, this site is dramatically less cluttered with garbage than the other(s). And when you want some internet pissing contest entertainment (hey, I like it once in a while as much as the next guy, particularly during Jan-Mar), John usually lets it go on long enough for me to get my fill before throwing on the padlock.

I will say this, though, Saltheart is spot on with taking responsibility for your posts. And I don't mean that as any commentary on this last go-round as I don't know anything about it and have no idea who is justified to post what they did and who isn't. But as a general statement, everyone should always take time to consider what they're posting...the internet has a way of making you forget you're still in the real world with real people after you hit "submit reply".

We should start having "Smokers" like we used to in the Navy. maybe at the Legs, Then People could move on.....

since we've all agreed that eben has the best avatar ever, can we all agree that this is the, err, most questionable thread title ever, I was afraid to open it.

never saw the post in question,you can tell winter is coming.that being said if bill was treated unfairly in an article then he has a right to respond.maybe the article should never have been accepted.

Some posts have to be removed and the moderators should not have to explain why.

Also , This is not aimed at Bill specifically. Bill and I have always beeen good. I sure wouldn't want to face the competitiveness , jealousy and associated sniping (trolling) he has to put up with.

The question I pose has nothing to do with what is said or who said it. The question is , should you have to take responsibility for what you post by having it stay on the board for all to see and judge for themselves , or should everybodies bad behavior be whitewashed by totally making things disappear through kindly moderation? Are we creating more problems because people know that no matter how far things go in a thread , someone will erase the evidence of bad behavior?

:doh:F #$%^&* age /I never saw the thread either //

but saltheart is right on ... if they want a pissin /war & it doesn,t start in the BOYS forum ..one of the moderator has the ability to move it ;;

But I agree that we all are responsiable [sp] for what we post here .>& I thing John has been more than tolorent [sp] with many threads // >. but just shutting them down >. ???? I don,t know //I guess it dependson what level someone has taken it ;;
When it gets personal & its not ball busting then I feel there is a limit ..
yes we see alot of guys bust balls >. but most members know that they know each other [REAL} well & its all taken in good fun ;;
But I have also read post that are personally directed at the person / from someone that doesn,t even know that person /except what they have read & heard // && to me ,that a whole new level .. >> I wouldn,t call people names or characterize them & it gets done here quite abit >>. mostly by the same group // which is the only time //there should be a off limits or time out ;;

once you print it >>>>>>>> I feel that you are fair game / to be agreed /disagreed / or whatever / but once you go past that & single that person out personally because you believe so strongly against what they are saying or doing on the board // its you that should be shut down ;;

damn I missed that thread completely ;;

Ya don,t have to be a rocket engineer to see patterns

certain members can post something ..not much of a issue ///someone else will post the same post >> &&& all hell breaks loose >.
there are active members on this site /that wait to attack other s// && I bet you go to church on sunday >>>>>>>> so that makes up for the things that are said or applied about another person >>>>>>>>> ya should sit back & take your own inventory before you cast stones or threats ;;

also If someone is getting paid to write articles /which many do on the site ;;
the 1st I hear of it is from a post on this site // be it a + or - / that person has opened the DOOR ;;

It seems many people have recently /last 5 years taken up writing articles // personally I don,t have any idea why someone would choose to do that ;;
its not the money >.ya can make more recycling cans

some articles are informative / some are story telling .. which sometmes are the best / others are [HOw - To] // others are rehash of old articles /change a few words & photos / new article ;;
its ok by me > I look forward to the fisherman & OTW ;;

bottom line TO ME] is to each there own / & unless they open up the box // its their business not mine ;; i also go by what has been said here /since the beginning >. don,t like / no interest >>>>>>>>>>>>> Don,t F #$%^&*( read >>> it can,t get any simpler ;;

IMO

i agree. once you write it the post stays.

if you want to pu$$y out and go back and edit, that is fair, but the record will show it was edited, and if someone quoted you, you lose.

but i can understand that some people don't like conflict (unlike me, i love it). that is why you throw it in a new area so the people that want rainbows and sunshine don't have to have this big conflict banging them in the face a the top of the list all day/night.

the idea of a dentention hall forum is cool. and it makes people take responsibility for what they write.

the most troubling pattern is that Clammer's posts are becoming more and more easier to understand.

steel cage matches :kewl:

just fight in my fight thread thats what its for

i will also add that it is very wierd....

I love these debates about spot burning, oldschool vs. new school, boat v. shore, bait v. plug, quit early or go long, etc.....

But I cannot stand the raging politcal debates, and I was very happy when that got segmented, and I never, well hardly ever, will check that forum. So I know the system works.

the most troubling pattern is that Clammer's posts are becoming more and more easier to understand.

Now that is very concerning!

Zacs, To funny "I love Conflict"...Me to:rotf3:

steel cage matches :kewl:


http://www.mocoforo.com/foro/style_emoticons/default/agresivo.gif

Vale Tudo!!!

PORRADA!!!!!!!

unfortunately if may turn out more like this http://home.comcast.net/~prgault/girlfight.gif

she-ite.. i had a post removed yesterday with no explanation , as did Bernzy...

yeah sure.. new forum :rolleyes:... as Long as it is SPAM Free, and ya can say what ya mean, and mean what ya say,, go for it..I guess. BUT.. SPAM FREE, Not FREE SPAM :yak:

wee wee for moderator... Yeah Man!!!


Karl, start a complaint thread like Timbers fight thread
maybe I'll address it there

as far as this thread goes, I have no comment

the most troubling pattern is that Clammer's posts are becoming more and more easier to understand.

I thought the same thing. Well they have the Town Tavern, maybe we could have a Corner Bar.

More importnantly t19, what did that fish weigh?

Well then, can we opt to have ALL our posts deleted, posting priveleges eliminated, and IP banned... I know of more than one long time poster that would like this option :hihi:

Why let the moderators have all the fun of eliminating posts.... ;)


to answer your one of your first questions... if it's posted.. let it stay.


HEY u horses butt..I still o u a bottle of water for your b-day...remind me the next time fa ch..sakes will ya.

Well then, can we opt to have ALL our posts deleted, posting priveleges eliminated, and IP banned...

BTDT.

:hihi:

Capesams :wave: how you doing?
you back to work yet? how's the new shop?

Capesams :wave: how you doing?
you back to work yet? how's the new shop?


back to work? how about trying to get a day off an when sunday rolls around the old lady has her way with me..dang leaves....shops about two-3 weeks off from makin sawdust again...thank god.

Why fix what isn't broke? I don't see the need for a separate slam section. I'd never visit it. The majority of people here are very appropriate and knowledgable and if someone gets out of hand it's handled appropriately by a moderator. Who wants to moderate a slam section? Sounds like a mental asylum to me.

KF I guess M/C missed that on the conditions on the front page of the site >,:smash:

Sounds like a mental asylum to me.

exactly, and you wouldn't have to go in there. Thats why stuff like that would go there. it seems we have a thread locked / deleted every week, for no reason other than to keep those that don't like the conflict happy. meanwhile, some of us mental patients were enjoying those threads.

Damn.I always miss the good stuff..

I love this site

I think it's just better to shut the thread down for further posting, but leave it where it lies. that way, a thread isn't singled out as being a bad agrument, which is what moving it to a separate section would do. I don't think there's a need to draw further attention to a thread gone bad. the parties involved all know who they are, but it would be good to leave it there for all to read into the future so people can go back and read it for entertainment, which is really what they are. like somebody said, everybody stares at a car crash

I'd rather see people argue than practice "group think"

Groupthink is a type of thought exhibited by group members who try to minimize conflict and reach consensus without critically testing, analyzing, and evaluating ideas. During Groupthink, members of the group avoid promoting viewpoints outside the comfort zone of consensus thinking. A variety of motives for this may exist such as a desire to avoid being seen as foolish, or a desire to avoid embarrassing or angering other members of the group. Groupthink may cause groups to make hasty, irrational decisions, where individual doubts are set aside, for fear of upsetting the group’s balance. The term is frequently used pejoratively, with hindsight.

In my opinion the internet and this forum especially are not the places to call someone out or express your personal conflicts with other people. If you've got a problem thats what telephones and E-Mail are for. Say it to their face or dont say it at all, because we dont care.

Groupthink is a type of thought exhibited by group members who try to minimize conflict and reach consensus without critically testing, analyzing, and evaluating ideas. During Groupthink, members of the group avoid promoting viewpoints outside the comfort zone of consensus thinking. A variety of motives for this may exist such as a desire to avoid being seen as foolish, or a desire to avoid embarrassing or angering other members of the group. Groupthink may cause groups to make hasty, irrational decisions, where individual doubts are set aside, for fear of upsetting the group’s balance. The term is frequently used pejoratively, with hindsight.

WOW!

I love it!!!!!!

...because we dont care.

speak for yourself.;)

I am voting no.:bsod:

u get a new truck yet?

drove by the shop yesterday... Looks Great :btu:..

yeah... wifes and time off :doh:... oops off topic :smash:


new wheels tanite:) to me anyways.

wives..this is what happens when we marry smarter then us:lasso:


U folks need not to take the interblab to hart...if those folks don't put food on your table or pay your bills or help when you need it....piss it off into the wind and move on.There's better things in live to concern yourselve's with.

can i be the moderator? :btu:

Oh chit..... inmates running the asylum! You, my friend, are overly qualified to be timekeeper for the Sinbin, having amassed more cyberspace penalty minutes/months than anyone I know! When you pull the trigger, someone's pants are on fire and you are under their skin before they even know they're engaged! As moderator, I expect you will have a charter and a "How To" thread on the ethics of flame warfare! Hell, Ben why not a website of your own?:wave:

A major reason I check out the southern site is to see if you're playing or on the sidelines!:rolleyes:

S-On-T/F

Groupthink & all them there other big F #$%^&*( words /wtf are you trying to do to us //

this ain,t no f #$%^&*( volcubary [sp] test ... just say the f $%^&*( in english you saying ><><:wid:

A lot of interesting points made and I will add my 2 cents...if you want it or not!
I dont want to speak for John but he has never made it a secret that he wants a "family friendly" site. To be completely honest with you I cant beleive he has been able to hold those reigns for as long as he has!!! To have kept that integrity intact with the amount of members that could post anything at anytime is pretty impressive.

While I completely agree that people should be held accountable for what they type I think there is definately a time when some threads/posts need purging...but NOT necessarily for the benefit of the person posting but for the benefit of keeping the INTEGRITY of the SITE intact. We all know how things snowball.

Maybe instead of complaining that a thread was deleted we should all take a look at the bigger picture.......

Jenn is probably right...

Jenn is probably right...

Zac when are you going to learn, woman are always right :lm:

Dam - i missed the whole thing - !!!!:nailem:

JENN

WOW girl >>>>>>>>>> I hope that isn,t your [[POST]] for the winter ><><><><:love:

Well said Jenn - thanks for reminding me opn how I feel some of this stuff should be ;)

JENN

WOW girl >>>>>>>>>> I hope that isn,t your [[post]] for the winter ><><><><:love:

You better be real nice to Jenn or she'll have smackdown power over you real soon :musc:

I believe things have actually gotten better here. Like Jenn said, John has always stated that he wanted this to be a family friendly site so then some of the crap has to be deleted to have it that way.
The people who regularly read and post here most likey have already formed thier opinons of who they like or dislike. No need to move the trash from one barrel to another.
Lock if it is getting out of hand to avoid the pigpile and delete it if goes overboard.
As is.

since we've all agreed that eben has the best avatar ever, can we all agree that this is the, err, most questionable thread title ever, I was afraid to open it.


Yes i think there needs to be a MAN forum. Men only. sausage fest.

turn up the volume & enjoy. Im going fishing. :ss:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq5_sLP2AAs

:eyes:

I'd rather see people argue than practice "group think"

Groupthink is a type of thought exhibited by group members who try to minimize conflict and reach consensus without critically testing, analyzing, and evaluating ideas. During Groupthink, members of the group avoid promoting viewpoints outside the comfort zone of consensus thinking. A variety of motives for this may exist such as a desire to avoid being seen as foolish, or a desire to avoid embarrassing or angering other members of the group. Groupthink may cause groups to make hasty, irrational decisions, where individual doubts are set aside, for fear of upsetting the group’s balance. The term is frequently used pejoratively, with hindsight.


People need to be respectful of others plain and simple
a little "group think" might not be such a bad thing...it's just a fishing forum after all.

I don't think group think is necessary at the expense of original ideas. Go out on a limb with your ideas. The problem we are having is not in restricting someone's ability to voice an idea or people voicing their ideas. Usually the stuff that gets squashed is because of the pigpile and nastiness just getting stupid. I do think pi$$ing contests for sport can be pretty stupid.

Jenn can do me a smackdown >> ANYTIME /EVERYTIME >>:humpty::humpty:

I don't know who said this "If we are not man enough to accept different views of others, then we really are not man enough.
We all have different ideas about things, but to put someone down for their view is not rational. Just present your view and agree to disagree and move on.

I vote ,,, Romper Room ..... password needed .. only thugs need apply .. It all stays in there ..

well I am glad my opinion was pretty well accepted! I am all for voicing opinions but if there were complete and totaly "free reign" I dont know that it would be the great site that it is. I havent browsed the other sites in YEARS....because of the stupidity.



Jenn can do me a smackdown >> ANYTIME /EVERYTIME >>:humpty::humpty:


Clammer....youd better be a good boy or else....:devil2: :)

E L S E :rotflmao:

let posts sit where they were typed. remove the edit and delete post options
Man up, stand behind what you say :wall:

awwwwww sheeeeit. Krispy's back :wave:

steel cage matches :kewl: I'm IN!

let posts sit where they were typed. remove the edit and delete post options
Man up, stand behind what you say :wall:

Its about appearances .. Imagine some newb, web surfer wandering into one of our slugfest. Or worse a kid . I think its about keeping it a family place . Man up, only escalates.. How many want to man up in person ? Web fight ,worse that could happen is breaking a nail .. Want to fight ? join the army ...

tagger //

what a mellow pill tonight >>. saturday night fights ><><><:claps:

Man up? how about grow up.

tagger //

what a mellow pill tonight >>. saturday night fights ><><><:claps:
Thats why I say maybe a secret password forum .. Gets you into "Fight Club" have fun .. I grew up with that ... had my fill .. pleeez pass the mellow pills .

TAG >

get ready >> I,m comin over to livin up your Night .

F %^&* Karl >>>> he,s just in woder land ><><><:nopain:

If you post it stand by it. I don't like the fact that posts are deleted with no reason given.

I really expected better from some of the people here :doh:

Three threads today, I had to moderate. On a Saturday when there's a handful of active threads going on :hs:

Some people really need to grow up.

If I step in to stop a fight, don't start it up again in a different thread :af:

I really expected better from some of the people here :doh:

Three threads today, I had to moderate. On a Saturday when there's a handful of active threads going on :hs:

Some people really need to grow up.

If I step in to stop a fight, don't start it up again in a different thread :af:

Soory your disappointed....:fishslap:

JOHNR

I guess you should have kept the other [places] that would have kept two completely different groups satisfied [[ temporarly }}:hang:

If I step in to stop a fight, don't start it up again in a different thread :af:

your not an obsessive compulsive paranoid schizophrenic :hihi:

MAN-UP???
All you guys on here(including me) are computer geeks who could not fight our way out of a paper bag!!!(LOL's)

MAN-UP???
All you guys on here(including me) are computer geeks who could not fight our way out of a paper bag!!!(LOL's)


Tagger <--- 2 finger typer here,spellcheck speller. no geek ,maybe goog..

wELL The gOveRnmENT IS DOING IT SO WHY NOT HERE ON gOOD OL s-B.coM?

"nOW WE CAN TALK IN CONFIDENCE, BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT WEVE BEEN DONE WRONG, SPYS SET UP QUES TO BE FIRST IN LINE, IT'S SUCH A DANGEROUS DESIGN, "

while you sleep there comes a knock on the door and you must let theM in, It's your neighbor Jim, he's come to........ turn you in"

But your A dodo, but oh no, it doesn't matter to me, in 1984"

D.bOWiE

:uhuh:cENSORSHIP:uhuh:

I read a story about this woman in Nome, Alaska whose husband lost it one night, went into the center of town in his underwear and started shooting a shotgun off.
What bothered her was not that he went out-of-control drunk, but rather that it was only November.

Why the need for all the fights? Is it because we want the sport of it? Or do we just want to see a good bloodbath or train wreck? Or because so and so made fun of my friend, I'll get him?

To hear that some people tell me there are less fights here than other places, I dunno, seems like too many here.

I been missing the fights .. I have no idea who squared off with who but it must happen been a good one .. Ya gotta wonder how many are :cheers: and :cputin:..soon its:af:... Or maybe just sick and tired of :spam::yak6:

I been missing the fights .. I have no idea who squared off with who but it must happen been a good one .. Ya gotta wonder how many are :cheers: and :cputin:..soon its:af:... Or maybe just sick and tired of :spam::yak6:

I think your right Tagger..Plus ego's can get in the way also...

Kumbaya....

All I'm saying is that sometimes , the best way to handle things is not to delete what was said but to lock it and make people live with what they have posted. I am not saying nothing should be deleted or moved or edited. Just that sometimes , it may be a bigger deterent if people have to live with what they said instead of the very people who post the worst stuff asking to have the threads del;eted 5 minutes after they post it.