Who do you think will be the surprise player on the list?
Rodger maybe? Even Pedro ?
Maybe Nomar, he always had the "jitters" lol

Roger, Trot, Nomar, Manny Alexander

What list???

Mo Vaughn, Clemens, Garciaparra

No one on the Red Sox.....currently


If Pedro was on the Juice he should get his money back....

I would love to See Gay-Rods name on that list

It doesn't really matter who's on it . It's not like they will face any legal issues. A point was made on talk radio that if they can prove that any or all of these players recieved roids by mail from BALCO they are no different than someone that recieves a couple lbs pot by
U.P.S THEY SHOULD BE PROSECUTED. But that will never happen.
It will make for good reading/discussion but nothing else.
So I say who the F@%K cares

I bet A-Rod is on the list.
Jose Conseaco in a interview with the Steve Burton and the big show said he had the goods on A-Rod but would not spill the beans.
He did say it would be in his next book. :huh:

I see Rockets name all over CNN as being on the list ...... hmmmm, does this explain his rejuvenation as a Blue Jay????

The Rocket

I'm thinking Gabe Kapler? Maybe Ortiz?

List has been leaked according to WEEI. Check the web. Some pretty unsuspecting names. Tek and Tavarez to name a few but they were saying that the list doesn't make sense.

Vaughn, Clemens, Damon, etc. etc.

Varitek is on it.

There's not a name of the list that I saw that surprises me, including Veritek (takes alot to play catcher all season, muscle recovery for a catcher is as important as it is for a relief pitcher). I don't see how anybody can be surprised by anyone's name showing up on the list. Performance enhancers are a part of professional and amature sports. I would assume that if you're hurt and taking along time to come back or just not producing well, that alot of guys are questioning your commitment if your not taking something.

I could care less! They have been beating this dead horse for too long!! The game is not what it used to be and I have lost all respect for it and the people who play it! They should be ashamed! Money ruins everything!

Larry, what makes you happy, lol?

whens the list commin out to the public?

Turn on WEEI. They are broadcasting the speech right now.

and on espn...


shut up and tell us the players!!!!!

Larry just needs an occassional hug.

So I am grumpy! Tell me I don't have alot to be grumpy about?:rollem:

Looks like Brendan Donnelly & Gange were the only recent Sox on the list and they were both shipped recently.

Sox names I've read so far:

Clemmens

Mo Vaughn

Varitek & Nomar are NOT on the list... (I searched)

You can download the report here: http://assets.espn.go.com/media/pdf/071213/mitchell_report.pdf

Turns out Tek is not on the list. Good news!

Read the communication between Theo and a Sox scout in '06 regarding Gagne. It seems they KNEW he was a juicer and didn't take care of himself passed on him then (for that reason or???) but they obviously chose to ignore those issues this year. That is sad. At least Gagne is gone but it speaks to the mindset of just one element in this whole mess, that of the owners/general managers.

Looks like the media is ramping up to make Clemens the Scapegoat over this.

reading the report he got hooked up when in Toronto and then brought the guy with him to NY when he went there, then proceeded to hook up Pettite and Knoblauch while there.

Sox mentioned so far were Vaughn, Donnelly, and Gagne.....although they did mention a shipment being confiscated in 2000 heading for Arizona....hmmm

Guys on the other board, most reside....south of here....were drooling over the prospects of seeing names of major Red Sox players on the list. Sorry fellas, not seeing Papi's name up there with Clemens, Pettitte, Sheffield.........

Guys on the other board, most reside....south of here....were drooling over the prospects of seeing names of major Red Sox players on the list. Sorry fellas, not seeing Papi's name up there with Clemens, Pettitte, Sheffield.........

....Knoblauch, Giambi, Stanton

rocket took the bit hit....he's the new baroid bonds. both of their records are tainted....bonds was about the records and roger was about the cha ching. about that list, those were just the guys caught- there are many more imo. new testing is needed- olympic level or better.

Guys on the other board, most reside....south of here....were drooling over the prospects of seeing names of major Red Sox players on the list. Sorry fellas, not seeing Papi's name up there with Clemens, Pettitte, Sheffield.........

And you KNOW I had to go over there and start some Crap.....:hee:

Yeah you did.....

And I quote you;
"I don't wanna talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper! I fart in your general direction! You mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!"

Ain't no Jersey boyz gonna trash talk our teams with Kevin here to meat out the discipline and put all in proper perspective! Priceless:claps:

so the last Yankee world series win is tainted and should get an ASTERIK!!!!!! right? I guess the new york post should do a story about that now :rollem:
i've heard enough of this cheating crap in sports.

I am with you Slip!:btu:

Sorry....you don't mind if I pass through while you are workin' do you?:laughs::rotfl::bl:

Did any of you really think that Mitchell would name any of his fellow Red Sox???? So much for an impartial report. All a bunch of hearsay crap anyway. Selig is the one that looks the worst in this whole thing.

I am with you Slip!:btu:

Sorry....you don't mind if I pass through while you are workin' do you?:laughs::rotfl::bl:


:rotf3::rotf3: :D

The " report " said there was no papertrail (canceled checks ect.) and no positive piss test that links Clemmens just the testimony of the person who injected him. Although the rest of his testimony was right on . I think all named in the report are guilty but I also think that alot of names were left off or just not persued. :rtfm:

What freakin joke, all the money everyone gets paid all the hype on drugs, court time ....all for what ?

TAKE a F(*&%(kin blood test ...end of subject !!!
I thought Jimmy Hoffa was dead, nice union :faga:
VB

One of the guys questioned my ability to understand the subtle nuances of Python-esque humor. So I let him Have it....Old Kniggit style :hee:

Yeah you did.....

And I quote you;
"I don't wanna talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper! I fart in your general direction! You mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!"

Ain't no Jersey boyz gonna trash talk our teams with Kevin here to meat out the discipline and put all in proper perspective! Priceless:claps:

I'm with Slip, I'm tired of hearing about cheating, what ever happend to playing for the love of the game....

Gagne must have got a placebo before he came here....

Gagne must have got a placebo before he came here....


I don't know, that would mean he would be a part of a "Control" group, and from what I saw he didn't exhibit much of that

Lo Duca was named

"...16 Yankees, past and present, were identified..."

I don't know, that would mean he would be a part of a "Control" group, and from what I saw he didn't exhibit much of that

LMAO.. your right about that.... not even self control!

Yankees*. "Somebody needs to take those cheaters out" :jester:

I'm with Slip, I'm tired of hearing about cheating, what ever happend to playing for the love of the game....

Gagne must have got a placebo before he came here....



It's played for the love of money $$$

IMHO,this all falls squarely on the shoulders of commish Bud Selig. IMO, Selig has been an unmitigated disaster. For one thing, if it wasn't for his bumbling, the Mitchell Report probably would not have been necessary.Selig presided over the only cancelled World Series. He turned a blind eye to juicing for years, because juiced players made money for the owners, of which he was one. Every recommendation made by the Mitchell Report should have been implemented years ago. That's what a Commissioner who was protecting the integrity of the game would have done. Selig did not because he's never really been the Commissioner of Baseball.

I respectfully disagree. This steroid/drug culture has permeated MLB for many years, most likely predating Selig's Brewers ownership. Where were Euberoth(sp?), Kuhn, Giamatti, Vincent, etc? It's my opinion that the fault lies with Donald Fehr and the players association. Remember the strikes and lockouts? If they had agreed to adequate drug testing years ago, the problem would not have grown.

Don't get me wrong, Selig has made mistakes (many actually). But at least he's addressing it.

Oh well, I will still be a basball fan, probably for life.

I was hoping the biggest casualty would be Selig...And good luck getting the player's union to allow any testing..

the players union should take alot of this blame - jackarses! :gorez:

Steroids have been around baseball for at least 30 years, maybe even longer.

Remember when Freddy Lynn showed up at spring training sporting about 15 pounds of added muscle and ripped forearms, and attributed it to "Nautilis machines"?

All those "bash brothers" on the 80s A's with those tight pants showing ripped quads?

George Brett going from a Boggs-type singles hitter to a slugger, and the way his eyes were bulging out of his skull as he threw a fit over the pine tar incident?

I even heard a couple of talking heads speculating that steroids were the reason that Nolan Ryan could throw no-hitters in his mid-40s.

Certainly, in the last 20 years, we've seen players perform at unprecedented levels into sports' version of their geriatric years.

And I would be willing to bet that the problem is 100 times worse in the NFL. Take a look at the playing weights of the guys in Canton, who played in the 60s and 70s, and compare them to linemen's weights today. Do you realize that John Hannah only weighed 265 pounds? Mike Webster weighed less than 250. Today there probably isn't a starting lineman in the entire NFL who weighs less than 300 lbs. You have guys like Ogden and Pace who weigh in closer to 400 lbs than 300 :doh: Most division 1-A college teams have offensive lines that average over 300 lbs. Are we to believe that this huge disparity in the space of one generation is the result of mama's home cookin' and better training regimens? :hs:

When money is involved cheating will happen, sports, business, taxes, you name it it happens. I am not surprised by any of it. Hell it has been a staple of the Olympics for decades. Remember the East German women athletes
that needed shaves. The Olympics and Tour De France have some to the strictest testing around and they still do it.

I even heard a couple of talking heads speculating that steroids were the reason that Nolan Ryan could throw no-hitters in his mid-40s.



I also found this little blurb poking around the internet--it does make you wonder:

"In spite of his focus on physical fitness, Ryan suffered a heart attack on April 25, 2000, and had to receive a double coronary bypass"

Tom House May 2005
Admitted Using: Steroids (Non-specific)
What he said: In a telephone interview with San Fransisco Chronicle reporter, Ron Kroichick, House admitted to using steroids 'for a couple of seasons' during his career (1971-1978). House estimated that six or seven pitchers on every staff in baseball were experimenting with steroids in the 1970's. This was, and still is, the earliest account of steroid use in baseball. House's admission and comments are from a May 3, 2005 San Fransisco Chronicle article entitled House a 'failed experiment' with steroids.

Tom House May 2005
Admitted Using: Steroids (Non-specific)
What he said: In a telephone interview with San Fransisco Chronicle reporter, Ron Kroichick, House admitted to using steroids 'for a couple of seasons' during his career (1971-1978). House estimated that six or seven pitchers on every staff in baseball were experimenting with steroids in the 1970's. This was, and still is, the earliest account of steroid use in baseball. House's admission and comments are from a May 3, 2005 San Fransisco Chronicle article entitled House a 'failed experiment' with steroids.

I wonder if the juice helped him catch Aaron's 715th HR.