Well another site I have frequented for a few years , mostly fresh water lures, has been talking about this product for some time and I was wondering if anyone has any exposure to it to offer an opinion. Looks interesting but then they all do at first. It is explained as a one part moisture cured polyurethane, whatever the hell that is.
http://www.#^&#^&#^&#^&nite.com/s81.htm

I noticed they have all thier own paints with it . I know they use alot of that moisture cure urethane on hardwood flooring .. always meant to try it .

One problem I see with it is storage. Seems if you don't store it away from air it will kick. Several have said they can't get cover off again. They say put it in several small glass jars and limit the exposure to air. Some dip some brush some spray. Here are a few post which might explain it better
http://www.tackleunderground.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9107&highlight=#^&#^&#^&#^&+Nites

http://www.tackleunderground.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10225&highlight=#^&#^&#^&#^&+Nites

http://www.tackleunderground.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8417&highlight=#^&#^&#^&#^&+Nites

got to give them some credit, discounted it to builders, read a post where they drill the can and use a screw to get the product out

Well, I don;t know about THAT moisture cure, but the ones we sold for flooring at the Paint Store were VERY aggressive and would lift almost anything. I'd bet that it's only compatible with his paints... don't know though. The quest for the right clear is an endless road I think :bc:

Also, remember that top coat is not the secret... it's a system, and your system is only as good as it's weakest component.

I asked about water based paints, Createx, and several said they have no issues with it but you have to heat set your paint. I am sure it is probably toxic too. It is maddening. Just was curious if anyone had any exposure to it.

I've been thinking about making my clearcoat available to the plugbuilding community
Is there an interest for a 1 part clear, viscosity of house paint, brushable, self leveling,super tough,non cracking, air dry, type of product?

I've been thinking about making my clearcoat available to the plugbuilding community
Is there an interest for a 1 part clear, viscosity of house paint, brushable, self leveling,super tough,non cracking, air dry, type of product?

I'd want a few more characteristics:
crystal clear, water proof, UV resistant, non-yellowing, thin buildup or cured density as close to water as possible, and slight elasticity.

And a few questions:
What is working time & curing time?
How tough is tough?
I would prefer sprayable too.

:grins::grins:

Lets hear it. I am all ears

I've been thinking about making my clearcoat available to the plugbuilding community
Is there an interest for a 1 part clear, viscosity of house paint, brushable, self leveling,super tough,non cracking, air dry, type of product?
I am considering offering you my first born child

....Also, remember that top coat is not the secret... it's a system, and your system is only as good as it's weakest component.

Wise words. Everyone looks at their topcoat, but forgets what they put under it is often more important. After all, if your primer does not stick to your sealer, it really doesn't matter what you use for a topcoat. Its all coming off anyway.

From a practical side, gotta consider ease of use, availability, expense, safety, and compatability. What is "best" for a commercial builder is probably different that what is "best" for the hobby builder.

Jigman

I'd want a few more characteristics:
crystal clear, water proof, UV resistant, non-yellowing, thin buildup or cured density as close to water as possible, and slight elasticity.

And a few questions:
What is working time & curing time?
How tough is tough?
I would prefer sprayable too.

:grins::grins:

Excellent Qs.
Waterproof, of course.
It is slightly elastic, were it hit with hammer it will dent vs crack.
It is not water like crystal clear. It does have a slight amber noticable over snow white paints.You couldn't tell over any other color.
It is UV stable and non yellowing
This clear is not water thin, it has the consistencet of a urethane or oil base paint. That's what I was looking for, its has a deep luster with 1 thin coat. Who wants to apply 20 coats to get a decent sheen?
Working time is prbly 1 hour, cure time is a week for fishable but over extended time it gets super hard
Mt clear is by far the easiest to use, strongest and best looking product around

Illepand into greater detail but working from Blackberry is a PITA

Also sprayable
Non toxic when cured and about as Dangerous as oil paint. Could use indoors w ventilation but wouldn't sleep w it under my pillow
Also doesn't require spinning, heat etc to cure

I've tried most everything

Moisture cured is cured over time from the humidity in the air, so if you are in Arizona, you will need to adapt.

Krispy, I'd be interested in trying something else, what the hell, I've spent close to 1000 bucks so far and am not thrilled with any of the stuff. Epoxy is a pain, one part stuff usually sucks but if you say it's tough, I'll try it. Is it moisture cured? you say 1 hour working time, does that mean untill it tacks up and after that no more brushing? :huh: or is it a potlife thing?

I'm intrested in this also.

Paul ... that stuff says thin with acetone ... reminds me of my propionate nightmares .. great sealer ... try using over paint ... any paint ... melts quicker than fried ice cream ..

I asked the guy on the other site and he says he uses over Createx, heat cured, and has no problems at all for quite some time. But that is him and not me. Murphys Law is always looking for me.

I've tried most everything

Moisture cured is cured over time from the humidity in the air, so if you are in Arizona, you will need to adapt.

Krispy, I'd be interested in trying something else, what the hell, I've spent close to 1000 bucks so far and am not thrilled with any of the stuff. Epoxy is a pain, one part stuff usually sucks but if you say it's tough, I'll try it. Is it moisture cured? you say 1 hour working time, does that mean untill it tacks up and after that no more brushing? :huh: or is it a potlife thing?
Yeah Slip, its tough.
Its not a moisture cure.
Also, theres no potlife, its useable until it tacks up and then just wait overnight if you need to recoat. By far the most user friendly and dummy proof product Ive tried

dummy proof sure sounds good, I hate epoxy...

Ok Krispy what is it Bannana oil ?

What would I need to clean my spraygun with when I'm done?

Ok Krispy what is it Bannana oil ?
Lu, Im working w/ manufacturer on getting smaller quantities avail. for the plugbuilding community.
WB, just mineral spirits to clean up

Lu, Im working w/ manufacturer on getting smaller quantities avail. for the plugbuilding community.
WB, just mineral spirits to clean up


You can market it as "Krispy Creme" :laughs:

Well another site I have frequented for a few years , mostly fresh water lures, has been talking about this product for some time and I was wondering if anyone has any exposure to it to offer an opinion. Looks interesting but then they all do at first. It is explained as a one part moisture cured polyurethane, whatever the hell that is.
http://www.#^&#^&#^&#^&nite.com/s81.htm

LOL,P., your always lookin for something to drive you crazy. :hihi: :D

Sounds like something even a roofer could use.

Lu, Im working w/ manufacturer on getting smaller quantities avail. for the plugbuilding community.
WB, just mineral spirits to clean up

Thanks Krispy :happy:

Is this what you were telling me about out at Cutty?

Hope all is well with the family:buds:

Acetone thinned Krispy? I hate that from experience with prop. Pain in the u know where. :(

Does it require Hazard shipping? I'm very far away. And I was told for some other stuff, per shipment hazard shipping is at least 300-400 big ones :gorez:

Tobias,
It is the clear I was describing on Cutty
I know you have/had some of my lures w this finish. Maybe you could give your evaluation of this cured coating to folks here

OK, so I have had a half dozen people PM me whether I am using a particular product. Its not and apparently there are a lot of people using the same super secret clear coat :)
I have tried it and this is far superior IMO

Well what is it?:scatter:

Well what is it?:scatter:


you think he is going to post it? yeah right.

This forum used to be about sharing ideas and knowledge in a grass-roots hobby where guys were excited to simply go out and catch some fish with some plugs they made. Now everyone is out to make a buck or back stab the other guy who is trying to make a buck. What really kills me though are the guys who are making bucks off of knowledge that was brought to this table under the pretense of 'open sharing'.

you think he is going to post it? yeah right.

This forum used to be about sharing ideas and knowledge in a grass-roots hobby where guys were excited to simply go out and catch some fish with some plugs they made. Now everyone is out to make a buck or back stab the other guy who is trying to make a buck. What really kills me though are the guys who are making bucks off of knowledge that was brought to this table under the pretense of 'open sharing'.

:crying:who pissed in your cheerios?

:wavey:

If your not going to share it then why post that you have something in the first place.Ohh i get it its all done thru pm's now and only the elite are priviliged.:doh:

:crying:who pissed in your cheerios?

:wavey:

Wilson.

Wilson.

king of prussia?

the one and only.

you think he is going to post it? yeah right.

This forum used to be about sharing ideas and knowledge in a grass-roots hobby where guys were excited to simply go out and catch some fish with some plugs they made. Now everyone is out to make a buck or back stab the other guy who is trying to make a buck. What really kills me though are the guys who are making bucks off of knowledge that was brought to this table under the pretense of 'open sharing'.

Wow Eben
Seems to me you used this forum to sell everything you've ever had your fingers on. Plugs, rubber, glass, tackleshops. Come on
Now I try and bring a revolutionary product that Ive spent thousand$ finding to the plugbuilding community, who probly arent willing to shell the $$$.00 per 5gal, and your gonna pull the righteous indignation bit??
Ive given alot over the years, many golden pcs of info for those willing to listen. Ive given more than Ive taken, I worked hard to find the best of everything
I have every pc of the puzzle. I could literally set up shop and pump 100k lures out this year of the highest quality. And I should what, give this knowledge out so even more people can make money off my blood sweat and tears
No-ones gonna tell you their clear coat and here I'll hand it to you on a silver platter but spotted stripers want to know all the secrets.. How about tomorrows lotto #s too

Guys, he said he was THINKING about making it available to the plug building community, he was working on getting smaller quantities available. He never said he was going to say what it was on this thread. He didn't say he'd inform us by PM either. I don't know about you guys but I can wait patiently, I have been searching a long time for something idiot proof and easy that will last. Try not to take things the wrong way everyone, just chill.

Krispy, if this product is something that will be compatible with spray paint,lacquer,enamel or acrylic paints, then that would be something :btu:

Put me down as being interested, Thanks:thanks:

Thanks Slip and i don't mean to come off the wrong way.Put me down as intrested also Krispy and my apologies if i upset anyone.

Wow Eben
Seems to me you used this forum to sell everything you've ever had your fingers on. Plugs, rubber, glass, tackleshops. Come on
Now I try and bring a revolutionary product that Ive spent thousand$ finding to the plugbuilding community, who probly arent willing to shell the $$$.00 per 5gal, and your gonna pull the righteous indignation bit??
Ive given alot over the years, many golden pcs of info for those willing to listen. Ive given more than Ive taken, I worked hard to find the best of everything
I have every pc of the puzzle. I could literally set up shop and pump 100k lures out this year of the highest quality. And I should what, give this knowledge out so even more people can make money off my blood sweat and tears
No-ones gonna tell you their clear coat and here I'll hand it to you on a silver platter but spotted stripers want to know all the secrets.. How about tomorrows lotto #s too

my comment was not directed 100% at you Krispy. Infact the only part of what I said that was directed to you was that you probably wont share it publicly. The rest of my comment has to do with the way this forum has changed over the years. As far as my past actions here, sure i have sold stuff. There is nothing wrong with selling stuff,. but what i think is wrong is the way this forum is used as an infomercial for those who are selling stuff on and off of the radar.

Then I humbly apologize to Eben :cheers:

Well I'm glad there's something better out there... Guess I gotta start buying finishes in 5 gallon buckets till I find the right one :hihi:

If we're done going down that road, has anyone actually had any experience with the #^&#^&#^&#^&nite stuff in salt ??

Well I'm glad there's something better out there... Guess I gotta start buying finishes in 5 gallon buckets till I find the right one :hihi:

If we're done going down that road, has anyone actually had any experience with the #^&#^&#^&#^&nite stuff in salt ??

:rolleyes:Keep it shut Jake....

If this gentleman is willing to give us something that he said he researched and spent $$ on I for one will be very greatful and hope he is willing to share it with us. I have neither the time or $$$ to do so and applaud him for doing so. If and when he does I will be in that long MF line.

If your not going to share it then why post that you have something in the first place.Ohh i get it its all done thru pm's now and only the elite are priviliged.:doh:

I've played this game before, it is called "cat and mouse"

Then I humbly apologize to Eben :cheers:

No worries krispy.. Im sorry if my comments seemed solely directed at you..they weren't.

If you want all of Nebe's secrets just ply him with Surf 'n Tacos.

Works every time.

-spence

:hihi: They have a new roasted pepper salsa that is to die for Spence :drool:

Cool stuf Krispy if you work anything out I'd be interested. No urgency on my part or anything, whenever you know :D

surf n tacos huh :wiggle: hmmm

If we're done going down that road, has anyone actually had any experience with the #^&#^&#^&#^&nite stuff in salt ??

I experimented with it for a while several years ago -- used it over a variety of paints (acrylics, laquers and enamels), and it played well with all except spray metallics... kinda melted them, especially chrome and silver. Liked it initially -- except you really need excellent ventilation, or you're going to get fumigated -- but found that #^&#^&#^&#^&'s stuff is not immune to bluefish teeth and jetty rocks. You can dip your lures, and it will become tack-free in a room above 85 degrees in about 2 hours, is fishable within 8 hours, and fully cured in about a week... at which point, if anything, it may become a little too brittle for a coating over a soft substriate (wood).

But it stinks to high heaven in a closed space, is relatively expensive, and won't stay liquid in the can very long once opened (3 weeks was the longest I got, and that was after being extremely careful; one can flashed overnight, when I left the lid loose between sets of lures).

On a scale of 1 - 10, I'd rate it 6/7 in the salt used over wood.

PA surfer thats good info. Thanks. Guess for now I'll stick with what I've got...

PA surfer thats good info. Thanks. Guess for now I'll stick with what I've got...

Sometimes the devil you dont know is worse than the devil you know.....

Thank you Krispy for bringing something new to the table, knowledge is gained through experimentation....

It's been stated many times here, but IMHO, it bears repeating, it's all about the "system" it starts with the wood, proceeds to the sealer then progresses to the primer then to the paint, lastly the final finish... if one Item in the chain breaks down, the game is over....

I dont expect my plugs to live forever, if they did, they would either suck and catch no fish, or if they were indistructable, I'd have to spend the winter nights watching Law and Order with the boss lady...

PA surfer thats good info. Thanks. Guess for now I'll stick with what I've got...

Thanks for the answer. I am pretty happy with what I use now but am always interested in some thing that might be a little easier. The toxic stink part is enough to change my mind. I will take a little less wear with a little less stink.

I will take a little less wear with a little less stink.

Yeah, my wife says the same thing about me.

LOL