I am over it! Its not like the Pats lost because we fumbled on the goal line in the last minute of the game.......we got outright beat! I hear these folks whining on the radio with alot of "ifs" and "how comes"......everyones looking for a scape goat and there really is none to be found! We lost! The best team won! Hard as that is to accept.....its true.

Now its time to think about fishing!:fishin:

I'm over it....no excuses. they got smacked around by the Giants "D". Plain and Simple.

The Office is REALLY quiet today though...

A game like this comes around very rarely it was played hard by both teams no excuses for winning or losing Pats can hold their heads up high.You win as a team and losse as a team so no scapegoats and ifs will win you lotto.

Whats the rush Larry? :D gimme another day

Me too Larry, already gone........

They got beat, they didn't loose huge lead. Few errors hear and there and the D line of NY outplayed NE O line. Done.

3 Super Bowls in seven seasons, a perfect regular season and numerous offensive NFL records...

And people are astounded that the Pats couldn't do what has never been done, against a team they barely beat just a month prior?

Don't let the media frenzy get you down. Just because the better team won yesterday doesn't not make the Pats one of the best teams ever.

-spence

the only thing i dont agree with is "the best team won"

the best team over all did not win.

Though the giants played a great game and they kept brady from doing his thing, the are definitely not the best team as a whole. They were the best team on Sunday though.

I dont understand it though... I BEAT them 45 to 3 in madden 08 :huh:

Don't let the media frenzy get you down. Just because the better team won yesterday doesn't not make the Pats one of the best teams ever.

-spence

To be the best team ever or to have the best season ever you need to win the ring. That is the single most important thing.

I was over it when I shut the TV off as time expired.. The team thatplayed the best and wanted it most won.....

the only thing i dont agree with is "the best team won"

the best team over all did not win.
The best team on Sunday won.

-spence

The best team on Sunday won.

-spence

The way I look at it--on any given Sunday, they're 3 points apart, either way. Head to head matchups are the ones that tell.

I guess I am .Only thing that sticks in my craw is Asante should have got to training camp and practiced his ball catching skills and it might have been a different story. Oh well better to have played and lost then to be a spectator. GIANTS are the champs. Nope not over it yet. Darn

No I am not over it and it will take a while longer for me to get over it. I accept it but I am not over it. the better team won and they deserve it, I am happy for coach Coughlin and his team. Devastated, crushed and bummed that my team missed an opportunity at history by just one play here or a few inches there :wall: It hurts and it's not going away soon.

They have gone one step further each year since their last superbowl win, hopefully next year will get them all the way to a win and their 4th Lombardi trophy.

..what slip said.

The best team on Sunday won.

-spence

VERRRY TRUE!!

Did anyone, throughout the entire season EVER consider the '07-'08 Giants GOAT of anything besides their own futility? Their post season performance is prolly one for the record books, but they will not even be able to hold Brady's jockstrap next year!!

VERRRY TRUE!!

Did anyone, throughot the entire season EVER consider the '07-'08 Giants GOAT of anything besides their own futility? Their post season performance is prolly on for the record books, but they will not even be a ble to hold Brady's jockstrap next year!!

Very humbled in your loss.:bs:

VERRRY TRUE!!

Did anyone, throughot the entire season EVER consider the '07-'08 Giants GOAT of anything besides their own futility? Their post season performance is prolly on for the record books, but they will not even be a ble to hold Brady's jockstrap next year!!

They'll still hold the one Lombardi trophy that meant the most to you.

I've been a gracious winner all of my life, but for you---I enjoy making an exception :biglaugh:

i still cant believe asante dropped that pick.....and rodney didnt knock that ball out....ugh :(

No -

Not over it. I don't even think I can explain how I feel, ......it's like getting home and finding out your house was robbed, not just the stuff inside, but the whole damm house!!! :fury:

Beyond a shadow of a doubt, (in my mind at least) the New England Patriots are the Best Team in the 2007 season, the only way this could have happened was if the Giants were taping some of the previous games and cheated. :wall:

I actually felt sick afterwards, sick, speechless, stupid - - - woke up this morning and the 2nd thought that crossed my mind was "they Lost". :yak5::yak5:

Shoulda, woulda, coulda! You want to pick one play that made the difference in the game it was Harrison and how he had Manning collared on 3rd and 5 on that last march and Manning slipped out and made that amazing pass/catch for the first down and followed it up with the game winning TD! Harrison grounds Manning on that play and the game ends the other way!:wall:

and time heals all wounds

so i'm workin on it...

~

some people that are gloating

have lost my respect however

and that will not change soon

VERRRY TRUE!!

Did anyone, throughot the entire season EVER consider the '07-'08 Giants GOAT of anything besides their own futility? Their post season performance is prolly on for the record books, but they will not even be a ble to hold Brady's jockstrap next year!!

I see you came out from under your rock!!:rotf2:

They'll still hold the one Lombardi trophy that meant the most to you.

I've been a gracious winner all of my life, but for you---I enjoy making an exception :biglaugh:

Mike P, please see the other threads where I give props, well deserved, to your NYG!

As far as one having greater meaning than any other one, i think that the PATS, to a man, would say that they all carry the same significance ~WORLD CHAMPION. Once you get into the rarified air of multiple Lombardi's by essentially the same core group of individuals, i think that the winning of them is what counts and not so much whether or not a perfect season preceeds the ultimate goal, or not.

How many times did they say "It is/was not our goal to go 19-0" ? To them and me, the perfection thang is more important to the media and the story writers than the achieving of each season's Primary Path, the Path to the Lombardi. I still maintain that this season, as it stands, is one for the record books and one for History. They shattered records, they continued their legacy, and they have much more to accomplish, in the years and games in front of them.

Cain't help it if the truth hurts!
Did ya see the part, above, where I agreed
that the best team WON on Sunday?

That performance, for BOTH teams, does not change the Truth about each team's regular season, post season, or the perceptions of them at those times. Most people picked the NYG to go 5-11 after their abyssmal start, right? Coughlin's and Eli's jobs were questioned more than once during their '07 campaign. The Pats, rightly so, were considered by 95% of the experts to be the GOAT in the QB, HC, and TEAM Departments. This concept of their Greatness did not happen overnight, nor can it disappear that way! Stay tuned, PATS fans for additional Days of Greatness are on the horizon.

So, because of Sunday's result do the team's all of sudden do some sort of flip-flop down is up/up is down sort of one game a franchise makes or breaks each of them? I doan think so! The Pats WILL continue to be dominant, providing we maintain our core of veteran players and leaders. Does this one HURT, Hell Ya! Gonna be a while before I'm over it, lads!! I have moved from denial into pain, though, so there is hope :wall: :wall: :wall:!

CONGRATULATIONS to the Giants for finishing the deal and pulling off one of the greatest upsets of all time. Also, they played their tails off and kicked NE's tails the whole game ~from coaching, to execution, to confidence, and to the final deserved result. WAY TO GO, GEEE-MEN!

What's next, a Manning vs Manning SB?
OHHHH Gawd! I think i just puked in my mouth,
DISGUSTING :devil2: :devil2:!!!

How many times did they say "It is/was not our goal to go 19-0" ?

You need to finish the Sentence...there Goal was to Win the Superbowl.

NO I'M NOT OVER IT !!!!!!!!!!:af:

Look at the context, The Dad!
Obviously, we are talking about winning it all!

YOU don't honestly think that these Pats are done, do you?
I see at least one, possibly, two more to win :uhuh: :uhuh:!

YOU don't honestly think that these Pats are done, do you?
I see at least one, possibly, two more to win :uhuh: :uhuh:!

Never said they were.....But they are for this year.....time to move on.

and time heals all wounds

:wall:Yeah and time wounds all heels. This particular heel got off the couch to shave, shower and try to do something constructive today for the first time since you know when. This is gonna take a while. It's disappointing that just about all the national media:rocketem:couldn't wait to completely dismiss all the Pats accomplished during the past season and in previous seasons and even choose to take personal shots at the most cooperative and media-frendly quarterback in the history of the NFL. Payback's a bitch.:fury::pats:

Yup--they all mean the same. Naw, no one cares that this one would have put the icing on the biggest cake ever cooked.

That's why your coach has been in hiding since he left the field with a second left on the clock. Apparently shoved a couple of local reporters out of his way when the team bus got back to the Razor yesterday. That's local reporters, the "In Bill We Trust" guys. At least the players got out and mingled with the fans.

That's why you're two biggest offensive stars bailed on the Pro Bowl. Funny thing--Brady was sacked 5 times and put on his arse at least another dozen times, and I never saw a trace of a limp when he got to his feet. The guy was a warrior. They don't allow blitzing in the Pro Bowl and the defensive linemen kind of let up. Randy has a bad ankle too? Man, he looked pretty good when he made that cut to the outside in the end zone that made Corey Webster fall flat on his face.

All of them are alike? If I told you that you could swap the one against the Panthers for the one you lost Sunday, are you going to tell me you wouldn't take that deal in a heartbeat? :bs:

Superbowl wins fade over time, but superbowl collapses last forever.

Who lost superbowl 3?

Who lost the superbowl after going 18-0?:crying:

These are the things that sports fans for years will remember and kids will learn as they grow into sports fans.

Same as who lost a 3-0 series lead in baseball.:crying::crying::crying:

Many pats fans are in denial, but that is the bottom line, and the unfortunate truth. When you talk about BB, he will be in the greatest coach discussion but people will talk about this game, his arrogance and many other factors now. When you don't win the games your suppose to especially when you are a dynsaty and your in the superbowl, its not good. This loss will go a long way, Brady wins this game, you think he is not listed as the greatest quarterback ever, he losses and he somehow is diminished slightly on the list.

I know you guys don't like it but those are the rules:rtfm:

Damn, I thought I was. Not yet I guess. Thanks

I guess Willie Andrews was over it !
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view.bg?articleid=1071432

:smash:

die hard giants fan,but lets never forget tom brady took his team down the field and put them ahead,he's one of the all time greats.giants played a super game,don't forget 11 road wins.then tampa,cowboys and green bay all at their home fields,just knew giants would win.

Mike P, my larger point is to the actual Winning of them,
the Lombardi's and the ring that goes with it, and of course
the TITLE, World Champion.

I respectfully disagree, and say that to a man, that they wouldn't trade a single trophy for this trophy. They look at each season, each team, and each year individually. Each Trophy is special and meaningful within the context of that team, those players, and that specific game. Just as this year, they would not want this Lombardi, because ~~CLEARLY~~ they did not earn it, they did not play football well enough to win the SB, and the better team ~that day~ DID win the ultimate prize.

Professional atheletes, for the most part, have a respect for the game and their opponent that we as fans could not begin to grasp. Sure we can remember what it was like to win City Championships in our various sports, we could have family members that compete on a very high level; however, to be in that place and in their shoes at the highest level of performance that their sport allows is too far a reach for us as sports laeity. And I only offer what i've heard them say. Each trophy is unique, in and of itself.............and to trade one for the other would mean to replace something fought for and well-earned for something undeserved and gained ill-gottenly.

I wholeheartedly contend that the 19-0 garbage means more to us, and the stroytellers, and the media pundits than it does to the participants. It has to be compartementalized that way to maintain a healthy psyche and to be able to put this one "behind" them so they can approach next year with a "fresh set of downs"; otherwise, this game would eat them alive from the inside out and the ability to move forward from either GREAT achievement or CATOSTROPHIC disappointment would handicap and dismantle thier future endeavors.
It is essential to be able to remove oneself from the past ~be it the previous INT/CMPL, prior series of downs/TD's, the first half, the last post season, etc.~ in order to maintain focus, drive, and performance at the highest levels of execution. To do so with the utmost of effeciency, one has to participate within each moment.............play the play that is called "until the whistle blows". Keeping that mindset in mind, i doan think that for a minute that they would trade one for the other, that this is only looked upon as what it was ~a missed opportunity for greatness and a championship that has eluded them, yet again!

BassDawg,

You are telling me that BB or Brady or any member of the other superbowl winning championships would not have wanted this superbowl more than any of the previous ones?

I find that very hard to believe, deep down you know they wanted this and they wanted to be imortalized in football and that is what would have happened. They went from immortal to inconsequental in 60 minutes, and the look on brady's face said it all. I give Brady a lot of credit because he accepted it like a gentlemen. The way BB acted said it as well.

Dynsaties are measured by the championships won and adversly effected by the championships that they lost, especially when they were upset. don't give me the 5 superbowls in 11 years crap, you know its garbage. A superbowl loss is more devestating than a championship game loss. Its a sad fact but it is true.

When you talk about BB, he will be discussed with this loss, his arrogance during this game and being outcoached. When you talk about brady and compare him to montana this superbowl loss will come up. You have to win the ones you are suppose to win in the playoffs. Notice how this message board went from are we the best ever and 19-0, Bill b. and the FU NFL tour, and mercury morris is on crack to this aint such a bad loss, 18-1 is still great, look at all these records we accumulated. The patriots know better than anyone it means squat. All dynasties know it don't mean anything if you don't win the championship.

You think samuel when he goes to bed is not thinking about how he %$%$%$%$ed up and didn't make that play. Same with alot of people on your team, to point them out with just be to time consuming. didn't pursue boss on that catch, how brady didn't make the usual hot reads, why they didn't go to the 2 rb's, why the went for it on 4th and 13. I agree by next season many of these questions will be not be pressing on their minds and may fuel them to another championship, but they will not be forgotten and they will be discussed for a long time.

Parcells said that if anyone believes that this loss does not effect you as a player or coach for the rest of your life, you are either lying or your lying to yourself. I think he would know as best as anyone.

I got an email that said positive things from the Superbowl and #1 was, some village in South America will be getting a shipment of 19-0 t-shirts. I thought that was hysterical. You guys just need to admit that it is a very bad loss and its devistating. This will hurt just like the yankees giving up the 3-0 lead hurts, and it still does.

Notice how this message board went from are we the best ever and 19-0, Bill b. and the FU NFL tour, and mercury morris is on crack to this aint such a bad loss, 18-1 is still great, look at all these records we accumulated.


Just because you and BassDawg are going back and forth about this I wouldn't say the whole board is saying this. I'm pretty sure most of the board members here feel it was a bad loss and screwed them up for immortality and I haven't seen them jawing about how great 18-1 is either.

wrikerjr, i doan think that you are getting my drift.

My point was about the perception that professional atheletes must maintain to perform at their highest levels of execution possible. I am speaking from and intangible perspective. From the type of mental toughness that is required to continue to "live the dream" and to "finish the task" set before them by their own inner fires.

The fires of drive, dedication, and discipline are stoked by victory and defeat. They are never extinguished and they can be fueled by many variables the middle of which is the outcome of THE GAME. The great ones don't dwell on their triumphs or their defeats, instead they put them on the appropiate shelf and use them for the pursuit of their ultimate GOAL, A Championship!!!

While I agree that this one HURT and that they will be feeling it, true Dynasties are measured by the ways in which they handle the diversity that they will ALL face. BB will look at himself objectively, hopefully, and they will be the better team for it ~and in that event the rest of the League beware, because the FU2 Tour has already begun and the wagons are circling as we speak...............

Inconsequential, I think NOT! These Patriots will not fold up shop like the Rams before them, and the Cowboys of the 90's. We are currently in the middle of what most lucid and educated experts agree is a Dynasty of epic and historic proportions. Does this latest debacle effect them? Most assuredly! Will they allow it to define them? Most definitely, NOT!!

It was the media and talking heads that wore out all those greatest team in history and Tom being the greatest QB in history rhetoric. Made me sick too. I got tired of hearing it. I like modest people, not braggers. They never went around claiming any of that crap. They tried to avoid the questions every time I heard them asked. Whether they thought that stuff was true in their own heads and locker room who knows, only human nature they probably did but with all the hype for so many weeks by the sports media world jacking up all the previous great teams and players, it is only natural that they all have turned on them and claim them to be failures and lossers and such, which they are, but not to the extent of a wasted season, IMO. The press loves loser stories and anything negative and now they have buried them. Oh well. A bad devastating loss no doubt but to say they didn't accomplish anything this year is a crock. A pretty almost impossible job to pull off and they almost did. One interception or dropped jump ball and they are singing another tune. They lost and that is the bottom line,but a wasted season I disagree. I am officially over it now. Congrats to the Giants and hope top see them next year same time, same place.

Well Said, Professor!

And that is the other half of my earlier point.
These guys could care less about the 19-0.
If it happens, GREAT! If it doesn't, then so be it.
Their focus has to be on the ultimate goal, A Championship!

Anywho, well said and i am very close to being over it.
I'll feel better once I know the fate of some of our free agents and when i see the results of the draft and whoever else we may pick up through trade and free agency??? The NFL............it never stops!

Pitchers and catchers report in less than 2 weeks, men!!
GOOO SOX!!

Just because you and BassDawg are going back and forth about this I wouldn't say the whole board is saying this. I'm pretty sure most of the board members here feel it was a bad loss and screwed them up for immortality and I haven't seen them jawing about how great 18-1 is either.

That is a good point, i apologize to the board members here who did not do those things. My apologies dad Fisherman.

wrikerjr, i doan think that you are getting my drift.

I get your drift, i am just not buying it, but I am fully understanding what you are saying. Its ok if we disagree

FYI, if i came to say that the patriots became inconsequential I apologize, that is truly the last thing that I meant to say. I wanted to make the point that this season was inconsequential. That I truly honestly believe. I hope that the patriots can bounce back, because I truly believe that team has a chance to do some remarkable things, with the core that you have, but all things in the future depend on the decisions you make today (i.e., what do you do with dp#7, franchise moss, stallworth, etc.). Time will tell, many things happened to football teams especially dynsaty's that you can't predict.

I know all about devistating losses, so don't worry about it as a fan, when people bring it up it will get better with time.

the one piece I am interested in is, I want to see how Moss reacts to it, because he is the one piece that I am concerned may revert back to his old ways, hopeully not because brady to moss is something great for the game.

Willie certainly had a lot of green on him. Can anybody confirm (I think I read this in a NY paper and I forgot the Pats D player's name) that one of the Patriots told the Giants O line that they didn't have a chance to drive down the field and win the game? That they were welcome to come to Foxboro for the parade? Prob. just BS, but if this guy said it, man that takes some intestinal fortitude...

Ice

That's cool, wrikerjr, and your points were well made and you are a true fan of Football and its highest pinnacle. I too feel that BB has sum splainin' to do..................

My apologies as well, if anyone else was offended by my over-the-topness when it comes to stating my points. Doan rightly know if it's a blessing or a curse, but I have always loved a "good and fair arguement" between reasonable people. Prolly should've been a lawyer, but i partied waaaaay tooo much at University.

Part of this also, is the way in which i participate when it comes to my fandom. I've always been an athelete, and come from atheletic parents, so when it comes to sports i am very competetive, sometimes to a fault. However, i seem to fit in with the craziness that is Boston Sports Fandom, as these people are as mental as me ~for the most part. Just gotta remember that, not everyone shares my same enthusiasm :jump:

Thanks gents, for your understanding and allowing the beast within to be unleashed..............within, reason.