This is the Question thread...Ask anything you want and it will be given the respect and dignity it deserves...Anything is a go, exept the following question


"Why is the sky blue"

Too much time..............................

Why do some moderators shut posts down just when the fun is starting?:laugha:

Too much time..............................

Yet you have enough time to reply to them all...Why is this?:jester:

Yet you have enough time to reply to them all...Why is this?:jester:

Yep, I sure do.:smash:

Why is the sky blue?
A clear cloudless day-time sky is blue because molecules in the air scatter blue light from the sun more than they scatter red light. When we look towards the sun at sunset, we see red and orange colours because the blue light has been scattered out and away from the line of sight.

The white light from the sun is a mixture of all colours of the rainbow. This was demonstrated by Isaac Newton, who used a prism to separate the different colours and so form a spectrum. The colours of light are distinguished by their different wavelengths. The visible part of the spectrum ranges from red light with a wavelength of about 720 nm, to violet with a wavelength of about 380 nm, with orange, yellow, green, blue and indigo between. The three different types of colour receptors in the retina of the human eye respond most strongly to red, green and blue wavelengths, giving us our colour vision.

Tyndall Effect
The first steps towards correctly explaining the colour of the sky were taken by John Tyndall in 1859. He discovered that when light passes through a clear fluid holding small particles in suspension, the shorter blue wavelengths are scattered more strongly than the red. This can be demonstrated by shining a beam of white light through a tank of water with a little milk or soap mixed in. From the side, the beam can be seen by the blue light it scatters; but the light seen directly from the end is reddened after it has passed through the tank. The scattered light can also be shown to be polarised using a filter of polarised light, just as the sky appears a deeper blue through polaroid sun glasses.

This is most correctly called the Tyndall effect, but it is more commonly known to physicists as Rayleigh scattering--after Lord Rayleigh, who studied it in more detail a few years later. He showed that the amount of light scattered is inversely proportional to the fourth power of wavelength for sufficiently small particles. It follows that blue light is scattered more than red light by a factor of (700/400)4 ~= 10.

Dust or Molecules?
Tyndall and Rayleigh thought that the blue colour of the sky must be due to small particles of dust and droplets of water vapour in the atmosphere. Even today, people sometimes incorrectly say that this is the case. Later scientists realised that if this were true, there would be more variation of sky colour with humidity or haze conditions than was actually observed, so they supposed correctly that the molecules of oxygen and nitrogen in the air are sufficient to account for the scattering. The case was finally settled by Einstein in 1911, who calculated the detailed formula for the scattering of light from molecules; and this was found to be in agreement with experiment. He was even able to use the calculation as a further verification of Avogadro's number when compared with observation. The molecules are able to scatter light because the electromagnetic field of the light waves induces electric dipole moments in the molecules.

Why not violet?
If shorter wavelengths are scattered most strongly, then there is a puzzle as to why the sky does not appear violet, the colour with the shortest visible wavelength. The spectrum of light emission from the sun is not constant at all wavelengths, and additionally is absorbed by the high atmosphere, so there is less violet in the light. Our eyes are also less sensitive to violet. That's part of the answer; yet a rainbow shows that there remains a significant amount of visible light coloured indigo and violet beyond the blue. The rest of the answer to this puzzle lies in the way our vision works. We have three types of colour receptors, or cones, in our retina. They are called red, blue and green because they respond most strongly to light at those wavelengths. As they are stimulated in different proportions, our visual system constructs the colours we see.

When we look up at the sky, the red cones respond to the small amount of scattered red light, but also less strongly to orange and yellow wavelengths. The green cones respond to yellow and the more strongly-scattered green and green-blue wavelengths. The blue cones are stimulated by colours near blue wavelengths which are very strongly scattered. If there were no indigo and violet in the spectrum, the sky would appear blue with a slight green tinge. However, the most strongly scattered indigo and violet wavelengths stimulate the red cones slightly as well as the blue, which is why these colours appear blue with an added red tinge. The net effect is that the red and green cones are stimulated about equally by the light from the sky, while the blue is stimulated more strongly. This combination accounts for the pale sky blue colour. It may not be a coincidence that our vision is adjusted to see the sky as a pure hue. We have evolved to fit in with our environment; and the ability to separate natural colours most clearly is probably a survival advantage.

Sunsets
When the air is clear the sunset will appear yellow, because the light from the sun has passed a long distance through air and some of the blue light has been scattered away. If the air is polluted with small particles, natural or otherwise, the sunset will be more red. Sunsets over the sea may also be orange, due to salt particles in the air, which are effective Tyndall scatterers. The sky around the sun is seen reddened, as well as the light coming directly from the sun. This is because all light is scattered relatively well through small angles--but blue light is then more likely to be scattered twice or more over the greater distances, leaving the yellow, red and orange colours.

Blue Haze and Blue Moon
Clouds and dust haze appear white because they consist of particles larger than the wavelengths of light, which scatter all wavelengths equally (Mie scattering). But sometimes there might be other particles in the air that are much smaller. Some mountainous regions are famous for their blue haze. Aerosols of terpenes from the vegetation react with ozone in the atmosphere to form small particles about 200 nm across, and these particles scatter the blue light. A forest fire or volcanic eruption may occasionally fill the atmosphere with fine particles of 500-800 nm across, being the right size to scatter red light. This gives the opposite to the usual Tyndall effect, and may cause the moon to have a blue tinge since the red light has been scattered out. This is a very rare phenomenon--occurring literally once in a blue moon.

Opalescence
The Tyndall effect is responsible for some other blue coloration's in nature: such as blue eyes, the opalescence of some gem stones, and the colour in the blue jay's wing. The colours can vary according to the size of the scattering particles. When a fluid is near its critical temperature and pressure, tiny density fluctuations are responsible for a blue coloration known as critical opalescence. People have also copied these natural effects by making ornamental glasses impregnated with particles, to give the glass a blue sheen. But not all blue colouring in nature is caused by scattering. Light under the sea is blue because water absorbs longer wavelength of light through distances over about 20 metres. When viewed from the beach, the sea is also blue because it reflects the sky, of course. Some birds and butterflies get their blue colorations by diffraction effects.

Why is the Mars sky red?
Images sent back from the Viking Mars landers in 1977 and from Pathfinder in 1997 showed a red sky seen from the Martian surface. This was due to red iron-rich dusts thrown up in the dust storms occurring from time to time on Mars. The colour of the Mars sky will change according to weather conditions. It should be blue when there have been no recent storms, but it will be darker than the earth's daytime sky because of Mars' thinner atmosphere.

Do fish feel pain?

:rumble::fight:

I like to add fuel.:wave:

I am highly impressed Dad fisherman! Your right you can answer anything on the internet!

Ok ..Where do babies come from??:laugha::laugha:

This is the Question thread...Ask anything you want and it will be given the respect and dignity it deserves...Anything is a go, exept the following question


"Why is the sky blue"

How can I better understand women?

1/2 a bottle of Scotch

Do fish feel pain?

Stab one in the eyesocket and let us know:bc:

Wow that answer worked for both questions

Who's gonna win the presidential election?

Do fish feel pain?
Acually Steve, Capt, All Andreson did extensive research into this along with students and faculty at URI marine labs and they determined that fish do not feel pain as we know it, they do not have the recepters in there nerves that tell there brains they are in pain...So from what I have read and heard the answer is no

Wow that answer worked for both questions

LOL:hihi:

How can I better understand women?


The only way is to marry one and you will learn fast

Is there an afterlife?

Or date one of these freaks.

Is there an afterlife?

Afterbirth

The only way is to marry one and you will learn fast

I knew everything about women before I got married, and over the last 6 years I've become a compete idiot when it comes to them.

I like TDF's answer. The 1/2 bottle of scotch may not really make me any smarter, but it will sure as heck make me not care that I'm stupid.:gu:

Do fish feel pain?

NO they dont neither do lobsters or cows.. neither does lettuce or tomatoes

So I have a question right along with a lot of the other guys who danced around it. What happened to going out and just doing it?When I started in the surf, there was no internet. You learned by hanging around the B & Ts and listening. God forbid you asked a question as the old timers would run you out of the place. better yet, they would give you the wrong answer and then watch you make a damn fool of yourself.

I don't have a problem with questions, just stupid questions. if someone wants to know how to tie a dropper loop, fine, that's a tough knot to tie correctly and not something you will find easily.

When they start asking what rod to buy and what reel to put on it, I respectfully submit that they should do some research on their own. Those questions have been answered 100 time.

Yes, the Board is hear to share knowledge but there is also a line where the majority of the population is not being served by the questions asked by a few. Just my opinion.

Is there an afterlife?

Yes its the foxy

Hi Vic:wave:

When they start asking what rod to buy and what reel to put on it, I respectfully submit that they should do some research on their own. Those questions have been answered 100 time.

Yes, the Board is hear to share knowledge but there is also a line where the majority of the population is not being served by the questions asked by a few. Just my opinion.

I totally agree with you.

The option to place said individuals on Ignore is also an option. You wont believe how long my ignore list is... not here but other places.

that being said, give the dude some time I'm sure he'll wind down and find the search button.

So I have a question right along with a lot of the other guys who danced around it. What happened to going out and just doing it?When I started in the surf, there was no internet. You learned by hanging around the B & Ts and listening. God forbid you asked a question as the old timers would run you out of the place. better yet, they would give you the wrong answer and then watch you make a damn fool of yourself.

I don't have a problem with questions, just stupid questions. if someone wants to know how to tie a dropper loop, fine, that's a tough knot to tie correctly and not something you will find easily.

When they start asking what rod to buy and what reel to put on it, I respectfully submit that they should do some research on their own. Those questions have been answered 100 time.

Yes, the Board is hear to share knowledge but there is also a line where the majority of the population is not being served by the questions asked by a few. Just my opinion.

Paul, I think an honest answer is that "we" the community of people who fish serioulsy have made this whole thing way more complicated than it needs to be. I've been surf fishing since I was 7 or 8, I fished Ctown, Quonny, Race Point etc with a bag of plugs, a Quick reel and an off the shelf rod. Luckily I had a Dad who had gear and knowledge and I followed him, but back then, 30 years ago, I never heard of Van Staal, Aquaskins, $240 pliers, beathable waders, etc.
We fished with our plugs in a good ole white bucket, and wore $5 rain jackets, 3 rebels and a few jigs. Now look at all the choices a newbie has? I wouldnt no where to start! If you go with all the options it would cost you $3500 just to get the basic equipment. There is too much bs. That doesnt explain dumb questions, but I think information overload is a factor!

So I have a question right along with a lot of the other guys who danced around it. What happened to going out and just doing it?When I started in the surf, there was no internet. You learned by hanging around the B & Ts and listening. God forbid you asked a question as the old timers would run you out of the place. better yet, they would give you the wrong answer and then watch you make a damn fool of yourself.

I don't have a problem with questions, just stupid questions. if someone wants to know how to tie a dropper loop, fine, that's a tough knot to tie correctly and not something you will find easily.

When they start asking what rod to buy and what reel to put on it, I respectfully submit that they should do some research on their own. Those questions have been answered 100 time.

Yes, the Board is hear to share knowledge but there is also a line where the majority of the population is not being served by the questions asked by a few. Just my opinion.

Be carefull, I just got hung for saying the same thing basically! However, good post paul

Paul, I think an honest answer is that "we" the community of people who fish serioulsy have made this whole thing way more complicated than it needs to be. I've been surf fishing since I was 7 or 8, I fished Ctown, Quonny, Race Point etc with a bag of plugs, a Quick reel and an off the shelf rod. Luckily I had a Dad who had gear and knowledge and I followed him, but back then, 30 years ago, I never heard of Van Staal, Aquaskins, $240 pliers, beathable waders, etc.
We fished with our plugs in a good ole white bucket, and wore $5 rain jackets, 3 rebels and a few jigs. Now look at all the choices a newbie has? I wouldnt no where to start! If you go with all the options it would cost you $3500 just to get the basic equipment. There is too much bs. That doesnt explain dumb questions, but I think information overload is a factor!


Well, Jimmy, that a good point. I started like you did. White bucket a set of rubber waders from Bennys and a $5 rain jacket. You had white leadheads jigs and maybe an Atom Popper and a Rebel.

I am not criticizing the questions. Just as Bill said, you can do the searches and find out the basics to start with. I don't have a problem with questions that are thoughtful and not easily solved. It's the redundent, "what line should I use" questions that I take exception to.

Do you see where I am coming from?:deadhorse:

Paul, I think an honest answer is that "we" the community of people who fish serioulsy have made this whole thing way more complicated than it needs to be. I've been surf fishing since I was 7 or 8, I fished Ctown, Quonny, Race Point etc with a bag of plugs, a Quick reel and an off the shelf rod. Luckily I had a Dad who had gear and knowledge and I followed him, but back then, 30 years ago, I never heard of Van Staal, Aquaskins, $240 pliers, beathable waders, etc.
We fished with our plugs in a good ole white bucket, and wore $5 rain jackets, 3 rebels and a few jigs. Now look at all the choices a newbie has? I wouldnt no where to start! If you go with all the options it would cost you $3500 just to get the basic equipment. There is too much bs. That doesnt explain dumb questions, but I think information overload is a factor!


They have made it that way because thats what they like...

I have seen the guys you talk about...Many times, they look like idiots...Dressed to the nines with every brand name everything, spent thousands before they caught there first fish or think they fish better because somone else tells them to buy this wetsuit , wear a belt full of boga grips, pliers, hand held radios, red necklights etc, vs reels, portable borometers etc...they look like fools out of ice station zebra! They are at total war with fish! he men who have the latest and greatest of what they were told to buy! yet they have no clue what the wind is doing...oops, Forgot that one!

Then the guy walks off the beach in hip boots and grundens hauling a 40 over his shoulder! Its hilarious..

These guys dont even want to touch a fish anymore! Now a boga grip is the way to land a fish! They do all of this mind you to match wits with an animal that has a brain the size of a pin head..and all that lame gear is needed to partake in this battle of real men. They exole themselves of how "hard" they fished all night to land that bass....how reaching for the boga almost had them lose ballance while they waded out 6 million yards to climb up on a rock like a baffoon to master the beast..(buying a boat is smarter in this case and can acually prolong life, but thats another story)

here is whats next...Soon there will be another gadget for there lame looking belts full of all that useless gear...It will be a med kit for fish...It will have anit-biotic shots to give the fish to treat a host of illness's they may have, they may contain narcotics to lesson the pain and suffering they caused on the fish along with this portable oxygen to get there fish back in good shape...

When you meet these people they walk around like they are holding this huge secret and you cant dare ask where they caught there large bass....Gimmie a break, as for me I could give a good cheet where anyone catches, let alone some wet behind the ears kid thinking he has pulled the wool over the eyes of a guy who has done it a million times...They dont talk, they just smirk, the whispers begin, "hey did you hear how good those guys did those two weeks in August" wow there sharpies..They have all that gear you know, they know what there doing...

Fishing is not that complicated...its all a matter of putting in the time

They have made it that way because thats what they like...

I have seen the guys you talk about...Many times, they look like idiots...Dressed to the nines with every brand name everything, spent thousands before they caught there first fish or think they fish better because somone else tells them to buy this wetsuit , wear a belt full of boga grips, pliers, hand held radios, red necklights etc, vs reels, portable borometers etc...they look like fools out of ice station zebra! They are at total war with fish! he men who have the latest and greatest of what they were told to buy! yet they have no clue what the wind is doing...oops, Forgot that one!

Then the guy walks off the beach in hip boots and grundens hauling a 40 over his shoulder! Its hilarious..

These guys dont even want to touch a fish anymore! Now a boga grip is the way to land a fish!

here is whats next...Soon there will be another gadget for there lame looking belts full of all that useless gear...It will be a med kit for fish...It will have anit-biotic shots to give the fish along with portable oxygen to get there fish back in good shape...

Hysterical!!!:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:

They have made it that way because thats what they like...

I have seen the guys you talk about...Many times, they look like idiots...Dressed to the nines with every brand name everything, spent thousands before they caught there first fish or think they fish better because somone else tells them to buy this wetsuit , wear a belt full of boga grips, pliers, hand held radios, red necklights etc, vs reels, portable borometers etc...they look like fools out of ice station zebra! They are at total war with fish! he men who have the latest and greatest of what they were told to buy! yet they have no clue what the wind is doing...oops, Forgot that one!

Then the guy walks off the beach in hip boots and grundens hauling a 40 over his shoulder! Its hilarious..

These guys dont even want to touch a fish anymore! Now a boga grip is the way to land a fish! They do all of this mind you to match wits with an animal that has a brain the size of a pin head..and all that lame gear is needed to partake in this battle of real men. They exole themselves of how "hard" they fished all night to land that bass....how reaching for the boga almost had them lose ballance while they waded out 6 million yards to climb up on a rock like a baffoon to master the beast..(buying a boat is smarter in this case and can acually prolong life, but thats another story)

here is whats next...Soon there will be another gadget for there lame looking belts full of all that useless gear...It will be a med kit for fish...It will have anit-biotic shots to give the fish to treat a host of illness's they may have, they may contain narcotics to lesson the pain and suffering they caused on the fish along with this portable oxygen to get there fish back in good shape...

You forgot the short handled gaff they seem to love to wear, when they're either a) standing in the wash, or b) perched on a rock 10' above the water. a) where the gaff isn't needed and b) where it's utterly useless :laughs:

Mike, I never used a gaff on the beach in my life..always gilled my fish, I have seen more guys gaff themselves than fish..


It really is about aparences these days...Better to look good than to know how to fish...Just totally backwards from the way I learned..I love the guys who did so good last season and now they are instant sharpies because they caught some fish....it never ends

Man you can even self-publish your own book nowadays and become a ledgend! Its truley amazing what has happened to this sport we all love....The basics and true friendships are gone, the shops you spoke of where coffe was served near a fire are things I miss very much....It is truly stunning when you really take the time to look at it...Surf fishing has become a fad..the in thing to do...But for all the wrong reasons

why do you guys care what people wear or spend their hard earned money on?

I dont

? What hand do you wipe yourself with??
LINK

here is whats next...Soon there will be another gadget for there lame looking belts full of all that useless gear...It will be a med kit for fish...It will have anit-biotic shots to give the fish to treat a host of illness's they may have, they may contain narcotics to lesson the pain and suffering they caused on the fish along with this portable oxygen to get there fish back in good shape, special handling gloves, an omega oil treatred leash for the moving back and forth of the striper to get the water back into her lungs, and an MRI digitally enhanced camera to see what's inside the gullet.......

Fishing is not that complicated...its all a matter of putting in the time

That is hilarious, Bill!

i can see it now at Cabella's......................

The Stiped Bass Triage and Safe Release Kit, $995.99 :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Too much time..............................

Dime.......one hell of a guitarist.

That is hilarious, Bill!

i can see it now at Cabella's......................

The Stiped Bass Triage and Safe Release Kit, $995.99 :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

yup it will say "A must have item in any fishermans bag" Dont laugh...I bet something like that comes along



They have made it that way because thats what they like...

I have seen the guys you talk about...Many times, they look like idiots...Dressed to the nines with every brand name everything, spent thousands before they caught there first fish or think they fish better because somone else tells them to buy this wetsuit , wear a belt full of boga grips, pliers, hand held radios, red necklights etc, vs reels, portable borometers etc...they look like fools out of ice station zebra! They are at total war with fish! he men who have the latest and greatest of what they were told to buy! yet they have no clue what the wind is doing...oops, Forgot that one!

Then the guy walks off the beach in hip boots and grundens hauling a 40 over his shoulder! Its hilarious..

These guys dont even want to touch a fish anymore! Now a boga grip is the way to land a fish! They do all of this mind you to match wits with an animal that has a brain the size of a pin head..and all that lame gear is needed to partake in this battle of real men. They exole themselves of how "hard" they fished all night to land that bass....how reaching for the boga almost had them lose ballance while they waded out 6 million yards to climb up on a rock like a baffoon to master the beast..(buying a boat is smarter in this case and can acually prolong life, but thats another story)

here is whats next...Soon there will be another gadget for there lame looking belts full of all that useless gear...It will be a med kit for fish...It will have anit-biotic shots to give the fish to treat a host of illness's they may have, they may contain narcotics to lesson the pain and suffering they caused on the fish along with this portable oxygen to get there fish back in good shape...

When you meet these people they walk around like they are holding this huge secret and you cant dare ask where they caught there large bass....Gimmie a break, as for me I could give a good cheet where anyone catches, let alone some wet behind the ears kid thinking he has pulled the wool over the eyes of a guy who has done it a million times...They dont talk, they just smirk, the whispers begin, "hey did you hear how good those guys did those two weeks in August" wow there sharpies..They have all that gear you know, they know what there doing...

Fishing is not that complicated...its all a matter of putting in the time

threads like these make a site suck!!!

Dime.......one hell of a guitarist.

Yes sir...

CAN u Say, F'n HOSTILE , WALK,
ML

threads like these make a site suck!!!



I agree

CAN u Say, F'n HOSTILE , WALK,
ML

Haha, Yes. I do believe I can.

But, I have to say my favorite song is The Sleep

Acually Steve, Capt, All Andreson did extensive research into this along with students and faculty at URI marine labs and they determined that fish do not feel pain as we know it, they do not have the recepters in there nerves that tell there brains they are in pain...So from what I have read and heard the answer is no

Billy, thats what I heard too. Seems to me if they can crush and swallow a whole adult lobster or a surf clam and then swallow it they shouldn't be feeling pain from a hook at least not as we would. Ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Haha, Yes. I do believe I can.

But, I have to say my favorite song is The Sleep

Cemetary Gates just does it for me.

OH yea, by the way, I use toilet paper left hand:deadhorse:

2 questions

Why is it that a lot of people don't seem to have fun when they fish?

Why is it that lots of people are always worried about what other people are doing when it comes to fishing. The in with the in crowd or you don't rate syndrome.

ONE PLY

Not to offend the many Gay S-B men and women but....

What would make a man like another man ?

How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop ?

How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop ?

Is this a pornographic question?

No one will ever know!! CRUNCH

? What hand do you wipe yourself with??
LINK

I use my left..and I'm right handed..Go figure..F'ed up Huh???:gu:

Not to offend the many Gay S-B men and women but....

What would make a man like another man ?

That is F'ed up stuff...I don't get it at all... Now a woman liking a woman I can get..:heybaby::kewl:

threads like these make a site suck!!!

I agree

Then like was said earlier by a moderator..Don't read it...:grins:

How comes sometimes after a rough night of drinking and bad food you can't tell the difference between a wet and dry fart so you just hold it until you can make it to a toilet sometimes only to be disappointed ? Man I hate that.

How comes sometimes after a rough night of drinking and bad food you can't tell the difference between a wet and dry fart so you just hold it until you can make it to a toilet sometimes only to be disappointed ? Man I hate that.

I gotta have a beer and think that one over..:)

If I for one can answer a (somewhat) serious question asked on this Thread: addressed by Bill & DJ particularly... the Goog Belt- Gaff Wearing Caster! :eek:


I am catch & release minded to the 99th power... that's just my choice! And yes, I catch my fair share-- every year, not just last! And, yes, I fish Surf mostly-- almost always using spinning gear if plugging or eeling-- & thus VS my choice-- for 12+ years now, again not lately! (Although, yes, I've broken them down in- field use many different ways in all that time... but I still love 'em today!)

But: as to the perennial wearing of the Belt Gaff (& lots of other necessary/ helpful/ needed accessories on my trusty/ beloved surf- Belt? )... even if in a spot too high-- or in the water-- for it's use, etc... :)

FIRST... THAT one always wears a belt- gaff... does not mean he ever uses it! (not that there's anything wrong with doing so if you are taking a fish to eat)...

Mine is there for the one- in a thousand trip where I'm face- to- face with my "50+"... probably in treacherous terrain! I might decide then & there to kill & keep her... or I might lip- gaff her & release... depending! (On too many variables to know what I'll do 'till that moment!) But that Gaff IS on my Belt always... though I've not ever once used it yet on my own Bass! (Yes, I did so for friends who were keeping theirs & needed my help landing it... Again, I'm all for a Surfcaster killing a Bass if putting it to good use!).

Yes, I too do land & release all my Bass (& Blues too) by (usually gloved) hand! I Lip even 30lb.+ Bass no problem! (unless she has a face- full of trebles!)... & release in- water usually! I would NEVER use a Boga on a Bass of any size: not because they're "uncool"/ non- traditionalist to use... but because they KILL BASS TO BE RELEASED! (Or at least up the release mortality very significantly! Think about it: 20- 30+ lbs. of weight supported by a living creatures' jaw?... & then it has to feed again soon afterward, or eventually weaken & die? :(

SECONDLY... The surf- belt Gaff I wear (by the "Surfcaster"-- great!)... is perm.- attached to my (main) belt! Securely with metal frame & point- rest... totally safe!). It is a permanent fixture on my Belt! -- I can't say, "oh, I'm fishing too high above water today so I'll leave my gaff off my belt, etc..." Yes, it's always there when I'm fishing the Surf... for one POSSIBLE use!...


But: see me with it all the time as you may... :eek5: & wonder what you will about it/ me!... :huh:

...for over a decade now I've carried it every minute I surf- cast, & still (on MY fish) I've never used it once yet! But I hope to need to some day not too distant! :smokin: And... If you're pulling a Cow you want to keep up the rocks next to me some day yourself... well, you might be glad too I always carry my Gaff! :)

CAN u Say, F'n HOSTILE , WALK,
ML


He sounds like the guy from the Slience Of The Lambs Movies..
"Put the lotion in the basket".:hee:

This sounds like an article for a magazine ??? Maybe the "Fisherman"?:btu:

They have made it that way because thats what they like...

I have seen the guys you talk about...Many times, they look like idiots...Dressed to the nines with every brand name everything, spent thousands before they caught there first fish or think they fish better because somone else tells them to buy this wetsuit , wear a belt full of boga grips, pliers, hand held radios, red necklights etc, vs reels, portable borometers etc...they look like fools out of ice station zebra! They are at total war with fish! he men who have the latest and greatest of what they were told to buy! yet they have no clue what the wind is doing...oops, Forgot that one!

Then the guy walks off the beach in hip boots and grundens hauling a 40 over his shoulder! Its hilarious..

These guys dont even want to touch a fish anymore! Now a boga grip is the way to land a fish! They do all of this mind you to match wits with an animal that has a brain the size of a pin head..and all that lame gear is needed to partake in this battle of real men. They exole themselves of how "hard" they fished all night to land that bass....how reaching for the boga almost had them lose ballance while they waded out 6 million yards to climb up on a rock like a baffoon to master the beast..(buying a boat is smarter in this case and can acually prolong life, but thats another story)

here is whats next...Soon there will be another gadget for there lame looking belts full of all that useless gear...It will be a med kit for fish...It will have anit-biotic shots to give the fish to treat a host of illness's they may have, they may contain narcotics to lesson the pain and suffering they caused on the fish along with this portable oxygen to get there fish back in good shape...

When you meet these people they walk around like they are holding this huge secret and you cant dare ask where they caught there large bass....Gimmie a break, as for me I could give a good cheet where anyone catches, let alone some wet behind the ears kid thinking he has pulled the wool over the eyes of a guy who has done it a million times...They dont talk, they just smirk, the whispers begin, "hey did you hear how good those guys did those two weeks in August" wow there sharpies..They have all that gear you know, they know what there doing...

Fishing is not that complicated...its all a matter of putting in the time

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Yes, I too do land & release all my Bass (& Blues too) by (usually gloved) hand! I Lip even 30lb.+ Bass no problem! (unless she has a face- full of trebles!)... & release in- water usually! I would NEVER use a Boga on a Bass of any size: not because they're "uncool"/ non- traditionalist to use... but because they KILL BASS TO BE RELEASED! (Or at least up the release mortality very significantly! Think about it: 20- 30+ lbs. of weight supported by a living creatures' jaw?... & then it has to feed again soon afterward, or eventually weaken & die? :(

Just my 2 cents on this. I think that hooking and landing a fish puts alot more stress on the jaw than the boga grip does. It only takes a few seconds to get the reading on the scale.

sorry but there is no way in hell man will ever understand women . aint going to happen . go right back to day one with adam and eve . adam said ( being causious ) "remember what God said about eating the apples on the forbidden tree " and even knowing the outcome eve said ( with abandon ) "to hell with that " and ate one so did adam but only after being called a sissy by eve . now eons later man runs with abandon and a woman is more causious . why? she bears the scar every month and they dont want the next plague ( even worse ) to come their way . and according to my lovely wife of 24 years " there isnt anything that could be worse " .

thats my answer

Then like was said earlier by a moderator..Don't read it...:grins:

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~~~That's enough outa you there Cheerleader and I don't wanna see your tattoo either.:grins:

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Just ask my wife, my 17yo son, and a few of my former foremen ~they'll tell ya :wave: :laugha: :wave:!



YEP, them and about 10 people <<<<<<ova there!! :humpty: :humpty:

Do fish do yoga to relax, or tai chi?

If ya wear a cap backwards when fishing, do ya try it on in the store frontwards first and then spin it around when ya get home or do ya try it on in the store backwards to make sure it fits and looks ok backwards ?

Do fish do yoga to relax, or tai chi?

I think fish relax by having a few drinks at the Sand Bar.:cheers:

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~~~That's enough outa you there Cheerleader and I don't wanna see your tattoo either.:grins:

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Billy, thats what I heard too. Seems to me if they can crush and swallow a whole adult lobster or a surf clam and then swallow it they shouldn't be feeling pain from a hook at least not as we would. Ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

imagine if we ate lobster like that . easier going in than coming out . ooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh that hurt but a perfect shell

Is this a pornographic question?

depends on who your partner is . for some the answer is yes and for others no .

depends on who your partner is . for some the answer is yes and for others no .

Yikes.

They have made it that way because thats what they like...

I have seen the guys you talk about...Many times, they look like idiots...Dressed to the nines with every brand name everything, spent thousands before they caught there first fish or think they fish better because somone else tells them to buy this wetsuit , wear a belt full of boga grips, pliers, hand held radios, red necklights etc, vs reels, portable borometers etc...they look like fools out of ice station zebra! They are at total war with fish! he men who have the latest and greatest of what they were told to buy! yet they have no clue what the wind is doing...oops, Forgot that one!

Then the guy walks off the beach in hip boots and grundens hauling a 40 over his shoulder! Its hilarious..

These guys dont even want to touch a fish anymore! Now a boga grip is the way to land a fish! They do all of this mind you to match wits with an animal that has a brain the size of a pin head..and all that lame gear is needed to partake in this battle of real men. They exole themselves of how "hard" they fished all night to land that bass....how reaching for the boga almost had them lose ballance while they waded out 6 million yards to climb up on a rock like a baffoon to master the beast..(buying a boat is smarter in this case and can acually prolong life, but thats another story)

here is whats next...Soon there will be another gadget for there lame looking belts full of all that useless gear...It will be a med kit for fish...It will have anit-biotic shots to give the fish to treat a host of illness's they may have, they may contain narcotics to lesson the pain and suffering they caused on the fish along with this portable oxygen to get there fish back in good shape...

When you meet these people they walk around like they are holding this huge secret and you cant dare ask where they caught there large bass....Gimmie a break, as for me I could give a good cheet where anyone catches, let alone some wet behind the ears kid thinking he has pulled the wool over the eyes of a guy who has done it a million times...They dont talk, they just smirk, the whispers begin, "hey did you hear how good those guys did those two weeks in August" wow there sharpies..They have all that gear you know, they know what there doing...

Fishing is not that complicated...its all a matter of putting in the time

Mike, I never used a gaff on the beach in my life..always gilled my fish, I have seen more guys gaff themselves than fish..


It really is about aparences these days...Better to look good than to know how to fish...Just totally backwards from the way I learned..I love the guys who did so good last season and now they are instant sharpies because they caught some fish....it never ends

Man you can even self-publish your own book nowadays and become a ledgend! Its truley amazing what has happened to this sport we all love....The basics and true friendships are gone, the shops you spoke of where coffe was served near a fire are things I miss very much....It is truly stunning when you really take the time to look at it...Surf fishing has become a fad..the in thing to do...But for all the wrong reasons Tuesday March 4th 2008 7:30 pm... This truly is an amazing day,the day i agree 100% with ANYTHING bill has to say,i must be getting old I can die now,i've honestly seen it all:wavey:

That is hilarious, Bill!

i can see it now at Cabella's......................

The Stiped Bass Triage and Safe Release Kit, $995.99 :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

your the first person that came to mind while i was reading #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&'s posts....sorry mr dawg:devil2:

I am highly impressed Dad fisherman! Your right you can answer anything on the internet!

Ok ..Where do babies come from??:laugha::laugha:
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How does a blind man know when he is done wiping his behind after taking a poopoo?

Contemplate that.

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fishaholeic....that was hysterical - :rotflmao::laughs::rotflmao:

your the first person that came to mind while i was reading #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&'s posts....sorry mr dawg:devil2:

Ah yeeeess! Ignorance is BLISS, eh SS :tooth: :tooth:?

Don't own Bogas, a dry top, no gaff, i caught me first twenty or so keepers on a wally world spinning combo, no gps/cell/camera/monitor gadget, no walkie-talkie, and i fish with PENN reels; incase you were wondering :fishslap:?

Don't plan on publishing any books anytime soon, at least not any how-to's about surfcasting....................i'm more into writing children's books and the *fishing fantasy genre* ~*you know, "the one that got away" type stuff and "stand here, cast there" "even YOU can be a sharpie" type of chit*

hey, somebody's gotta make millions doing it :huh::huh:??

fishaholeic....that was hysterical - :rotflmao::laughs::rotflmao:

:kewl::rotf3:

How does a blind man know when he is done wiping his behind after taking a poopoo?

Contemplate that.

:bshake::bshake::bshake:

How does a blind man know when he is done wiping his behind after taking a poopoo?

Contemplate that.

he may be blind but his nose will know . sniiiiffff sniiiiifffff sssssssssssssnnnnnnnnnnniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iifffffffffffff

Ohhhh, the pleasantries of poopoo humor :rotf3::rotf3:!

Thanks for the visuals Basic and chrisL..............:eek5:



Sooooo, riddle me this~~


Does the Pope shat in the woods,

or are bears Catholic :1poke: :1poke:?

Ah yeeeess! Ignorance is BLISS, eh SS :tooth: :tooth:?

Don't own Bogas, a dry top, no gaff, i caught me first twenty or so keepers on a wally world spinning combo, no gps/cell/camera/monitor gadget, no walkie-talkie, and i fish with PENN reels; incase you were wondering :fishslap:?

Don't plan on publishing any books anytime soon, at least not any how-to's about surfcasting....................i'm more into writing children's books and the *fishing fantasy genre* ~*you know, "the one that got away" type stuff and "stand here, cast there" "even YOU can be a sharpie" type of chit*

hey, somebody's gotta make millions doing it :huh::huh:??
A pic is worth a 1000 words:hf1:

YUP! guilty as photoed!

that is me and my pb 30" booo from last fall,
notice the hodgman's waders ($25 on sale the year before at #^&#^&#^&#^&'s), and my torn and tattered Carhart subzero coat (no drytop $$$$, yet). was gonna release it until this hombre asks if he could keep it. okay, i tell him, it's yours iff you'll snap my pic. small price to pay i thought.

that was a FUN catch, workin it thru the wash and around the reefs.
i'd prolly target boooooos more, if they could all be that big or bigger :musc: :musc:.
don't have much use for the little ones.

the dots in the sky are what happens when yer throwaway Kodak gets soaked more than once during the course of a season. that was also snapped for Skitterpop's benefit. wanted to show him *my bluefeesh weilding expertise*. that is from where you obtained that pic, no?

"doan hate tha player, hate the Game!" :rotf3: :rotf3:

Just my 2 cents on this. I think that hooking and landing a fish puts a lot more stress on the jaw than the boga grip does. It only takes a few seconds to get the reading on the scale.

Not to HiJack, or put words in Steve's mouth, but the argument against bogas is the stress on the fish when hanging OUT of the water; in the water, fighting it, the body weight of the fish isn't handing from jaw. Especially with larger fish.

I read a lot of books, and I was thumbing through an old fishing almanac. According to distribution charts, Redfish range as far north as Massachusetts (in the summer). Now I've done plenty of redfishing in South Carolina, but have any of you heard/seen or landed Redfish this far north?

I read a lot of books, and I was thumbing through an old fishing almanac. According to distribution charts, Redfish range as far north as Massachusetts (in the summer). Now I've done plenty of redfishing in South Carolina, but have any of you heard/seen or landed Redfish this far north?


Never heard of them this far North but it wouldn't suprise me. We never saw Mahi this far North until the last 10 years. Same with Cobia, Spanish Mackeral, a few other Southern fish that the guys are getting off of the Block and even close, during the Summer.

heard of black drum up here before...

heard of black drum up here before...

Nope.

wow, that was in-depth response

Thanks, Bryan! :kewl:


Simply put, I can't imagine there being any valid argument that lifting 25+ lbs. of Bass by its jaw, can't but hurt it's chances of survival! :hs:


Besides, despite what Bill & his Mentor say about "all fisherman..." Why weigh any Bass but what you're keeping/ killing?

I know I for one can eyeball any Striper to be released, even in- water mostly, in the deep night... & give you an accurate weight estimate within 2- 3 lbs. (max error on a bigger fish!) And I'll be closer to 1 lb. + or - most times I assure! (Forget what I've seen or not lifetime: my PB boated is 49 lbs.!)

Yes, my friends have tested this ability of mine-- & lost beers betting against me here! :gu:

Bogas aren't necessary to either land... nor control big Bass-- nor to tell you what one to be released weighs! Experience & your eyes will do that for you fine! :eek5: (OR: if you must: weigh them in a large net... hooking up only the net- frame to the scale... still not as advisable as no weighing if releasing... but light- years more friendly to the Bass, than lip- weighing is!)

(Save the Bogas for pesky Blues if you must carry them! :heybaby: Better than grabbing them by the eyes or hard around the gills as I see many do! :rolleyes: )

Tarpon end up in the Newport Fish traps every year; along with weird jacks, cobia, spanish and king mack's etc.. so anything is possible.

Steve;
good post!

I read a lot of books, and I was thumbing through an old fishing almanac. According to distribution charts, Redfish range as far north as Massachusetts (in the summer). Now I've done plenty of redfishing in South Carolina, but have any of you heard/seen or landed Redfish this far north?

Many many years ago when I worked the head boats out of Gloucester, we would get both red and black drum in the thirty pound class a few times per season. I am also aware that every once in a while a commerical cod dragger will catch a school of reds...Stellwaggen is the place.

As for Boga's I've carried one for years. It's come in handy many times when I've been flying solo and simply had a hard time landing a fish due to waves/terrain/etc.... It seems that there are obviously people on this site that have a hard time with other people on the site. We or atleast myself and the guys that I fish with do it because we love it. It's a release from all the B.S. of everyday life. If people want to judge then judge. If you want to learn then learn. It's far too easy to gripe about something then it is to ignore it(as long as it's not causing harm to anyone). I always see the same guys trolling on here. I've met some incredibly genuine guys on here both electronically and in person. Cripes, who cares if you catch a 10lber or a 50lber.... For me it's personal. What makes a person a "sharpie"? Who cares? If someone has knowledge that has helped them and they are willing to share it so be it. Case in point. Plugfest, met some incredibly talented gents there that were more then willing to share because at the end of the day, we are all in it for the same reasons.... to get away from the daily grind. Let's not lose site of that next time you want to flame someone for a post. We all started somewhere and life is too short to jump down someone's virtual throat over nothing.

-Chris

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Better yet, how many passes do you make?:bshake:

I think fish relax by having a few drinks at the Sand Bar.:cheers:

Excellant answer............:buds:

Thanks, Bryan! :kewl:


Simply put, I can't imagine there being any valid argument that lifting 25+ lbs. of Bass by its jaw, can't but hurt it's chances of survival! :hs:


Besides, despite what Bill & his Mentor say about "all fisherman..." Why weigh any Bass but what you're keeping/ killing?

I know I for one can eyeball any Striper to be released, even in- water mostly, in the deep night... & give you an accurate weight estimate within 2- 3 lbs. (max error on a bigger fish!) And I'll be closer to 1 lb. + or - most times I assure! (Forget what I've seen or not lifetime: my PB boated is 49 lbs.!)

Yes, my friends have tested this ability of mine-- & lost beers betting against me here! :gu:

Bogas aren't necessary to either land... nor control big Bass-- nor to tell you what one to be released weighs! Experience & your eyes will do that for you fine! :eek5: (OR: if you must: weigh them in a large net... hooking up only the net- frame to the scale... still not as advisable as no weighing if releasing... but light- years more friendly to the Bass, than lip- weighing is!)

(Save the Bogas for pesky Blues if you must carry them! :heybaby: Better than grabbing them by the eyes or hard around the gills as I see many do! :rolleyes: )

Great Post!!
I agree with all you have said but the problem remains that most guys only think they have see/caught a 30 # bass. I have seen guys with 25# fish that have bet me that it was 40#. They lost.
I also can eyeball within a couple of pounds but it takes years of experience to do that.
When Bryan and I were in the surf togther we would guess the weight of every fish we kept and were always within a pound or 2.

The boga is for the new firshermen who can't estimate yet. (Now the disclaimer so I don't get my a$$ in a sling)
Not that being a newbie is a bad thing or that using a Boga is a bad thing or asking a bunch of questions is a bad thing. There I think I covered myself.

So hooking a fish through it's mouth and pulling it through the water agianst it's will while it's pulling back as hard as it can, is more harmful than using a boga? I only use the boga for fish I keep and bluefish, but it's a helpful tool for tag and release guys as well. That way they can get accurate weights instead of estimates. There are plenty of people who use bogas who are not new fisherman.

I usually carry a boga to verify the guesses. This is how you know if you are close with the guess. It's easy to tell a 23# from a 28# but when the fish get to picture taking size you can be surprised more than you think. And yes it is a 60# boga. I like to know what I am talking about rather than just saying I know or guessing.

lol on a side note regarding bogas... I've seen plenty of old timers gill rape fish while landing them only to release them and watch the fish wallow in the surf... this is better then a boga?

Better yet, how many passes do you make?:bshake:

Not many like i said 1 ply :rotf3: At least I'm not like Howard Stern he has to go through a undercarrige wash and a look in the mirror. imagine a mirror in your toilet:tm: scarry thought just ask Maco Joe
he has night vision:p
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ps its not even friday
wait till 2morrow

Never once gone anywhere near a Bass' gills during landing and/ or releasing any! Yes I see too many still do... but I've known since childhood that's wrong if releasing! (Basic fish Biology!). Not only that... Bass have no teeth worth fearing! I can get a lip- grip or if not cradle the fish in shallow water easily enough!


SD, point is simply: verify w/ your Boga all weights of Bass you'd like-- among the ones you're keeping! (You're weighing your Large kept Bass I'm guessing on that Boga?)

Bass to be released: better to be off 1- 4 lbs. or so on the exact weight in your estimate if need be... just let the big girls go as gently & with as great odds of survival as possible! If you're releasing them anyway... & would like a shot at catching that fish again 20 lbs. heavier... that's only logical, right? :zup:

"Show me the slips" I know! Yes guys exaggerate their Bass' size I know often!... but that's about their kept Bass-- not released! No one listens to or cares about how big someone else's released fish are-- unless it's a very credible friend! When C & R'ing, you're only looking to impress yourself with your catch-- your toughest critic! :uhuh: -- no one else!

I know of a boat- guy who landed a Bass obviously close to 60 lbs. last year in NJ... and DIDN'T weigh it/ didn't want to get the exact weight to brag with... BECAUSE his choice was to release it! :btu:

Very sensible, indeed, LeCounts.
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I don't own a boga.I'm too cheap.I can see where they would be helpful to steady a fish for hook removal.Especially when in the water..
Not everyone has vise grip hand strenght..There are times,in order to protect my own safety.The subsequent health of the fish becomes secondary..
On another note..I never use pliers.
Ask NIB was WAY better...:D

:huh: . .. I don't get it, if y'all are SO worried about hurting the fish, you may want to think about giving up fishing, .....you will definately hurt less fish that way.



NIB - I'll bite, was WAY better?

[QUOTE=bloocrab;572163]:huh: . .. I don't get it, if y'all are SO worried about hurting the fish, you may want to think about giving up fishing, .....you will definately hurt less fish that way.
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EXACTLY my point everytime the catch and release fish mortality question arises. Many claim not to kill fish because they catch and release but at some point they ARE killing at least some. If you are against killing fish....DONT FISH!!!

Do Carrots scream when you pull them out of the ground? :)

If hair and finger-nails grow, why dont' they hurt when you get them cut??

If hair and finger-nails grow, why dont' they hurt when you get them cut??

no nerve endings on the part that's being cut................
whack the cuticle too close ~now that's a
horse of a different color :smash: :smash:.




anyone heard from Skitterpops, lately? :spin: :spin:
starting to miss his version of the "voice of reason".


Mike, ya out there?
could really go for sum of yer
tacks and gybes, buddy!:wavey:

thanks for the Redfish info

[QUOTE=bloocrab;572163]:huh: . .. I don't get it, if y'all are SO worried about hurting the fish, you may want to think about giving up fishing, .....you will definately hurt less fish that way.
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EXACTLY my point everytime the catch and release fish mortality question arises. Many claim not to kill fish because they catch and release but at some point they ARE killing at least some. If you are against killing fish....DONT FISH!!!

AGREED, Jenn, there is the ocassional fatally foul hooked, gut hooked,
or improperly released mortality factor to the C&R equation.

For me, it's not an aversion to killing fish. i advocate C&R in an effort to not kill every fish one lands within the fishery management regs. because even if we did stay within the 2 per day max, imo, that would negatively impact our beloved prey as more and more of us answer the call of the surf. so, i choose to release far more keepers than i keep. and, there is also the pcb's and mercury factor to consider. i absolutely WON'T kill what i won't eat ~for me and my family.

also the more COWS we kill, ie. all that one can within fm guidelines, where will the Trophies for our children, thier children, and thier children's children come from?

don't get me wrong.............to each his own,
within the fisheries mgmt numbers, just my view about


"to kill, or not to kill? that is the ? whether tis nobler.............",
with thanks to Ye Olde Willy. :gu: :gu: :gu:

Catching fish to eat is one thing. What gets me is the dude thats gota bring home 2 fish night after night after night, why? Even if your a wine maker don't you have consceince? Thats where farmers bury their fish gutts...at the foot of the vine. Make the limit 4 or take your 8yr old fishing so you can take home 4, they don't think twice about it. Selfish pigs.

WHERE DOES A FART START?

Can't speak re. farts... BUT:


Bloo & Jen... :wave: Here's MY belief:

Striper Catch & Release done MY way (plugging 98+% of the time): 98.5% survival rate minimally... for the competant & caring Caster! :humpty:

C & R the gill- grabbin... Boga- (or lip- ) scale- weighing... long picture- taking session... and/ or the clam- baiting/ chumming ways... etc: 40% mortality rate or less... :(


Again: just MY confident belief about this... others here too I'm sure!


But your point IS: IF fishing... & releasing... you might as well accept & use 40% Mortality rate techniques & inconsiderate Bass- handling? NOT upgrade & strive for that 98% (potential) rate? :huh:


Nib... let the less nimble use a Boga to control Bass safely during landing all they want... advisable! Esp. if like you, they demand multiple trebles on most every plug they throw! :) All I'M saying, IS don't lift any Bass bigger than maybe 10 lbs. by the lip completely out of water! By Boga or otherwise-- don't support a (big) Bass's weight that you're releasing, by its lip!

WHERE DOES A FART START?

in the stomach . its a build up of gases from your digestive juices and rippened food . as your digested food travels through the crap tunnel it pushes against the stopper ( a bunch of fart material ) and as it wants to escape , it pushes said fart material ( gases ) out through your exit ( the last stopper ) . it then goes through the air foe a short distance till it splashes down into the drink . its like a serious night of rot gut alcohol . be very careful exchanging air with your butt it be nothing but condensation and lots of it . call it a colonic if you like .


at least thats how I think my bowels work .

Catching fish to eat is one thing. What gets me is the dude thats gota bring home 2 fish night after night after night, why? Even if your a wine maker don't you have consceince? Thats where farmers bury their fish gutts...at the foot of the vine. Make the limit 4 or take your 8yr old fishing so you can take home 4, they don't think twice about it. Selfish pigs.

Well said, GOOSE!
:claps: :uhuh: :claps:





Ginger or Mary Anne? :wave::wave:

retracted my last statement.Not in the mood for this %$%$%$%$ today.

I just finally came across this thread and to make the entire Boga discussion pointless, it should be noted most people carry them just to deal with schoolies and blues with a face full of trebles quickly and safely. In the event a bigger fish gets Boga'd it usually doesn't even get lifted out of the water, just safely controlled. For most it's not something to measure fish with.

--

De-badging my wetsuit lest I be judged and hanging up my almost 15 year old Boga in order to be cool and politically correct, even though I fish mostly at night and mostly in areas no one else fishes where nobody sees me anyways, ;)

Pete G.

I need a 30# boga.. I fish out in the water ,, and fish slimy skin plug ... I have plyers but never use them either ..Big fish are easy to handle .. little fish are dangerous .. come in full of life. small mouth and tough to handle ..
better to burp and taste it than fart and waste it .. :read:

I need a 30# boga.. I fish out in the water ,, and fish slimy skin plug ... I have plyers but never use them either ..Big fish are easy to handle .. little fish are dangerous .. come in full of life. small mouth and tough to handle ..
better to burp and taste it than fart and waste it .. :read:

It's all fun and games until one of those little bastards decides to jump when you're wading slightly above your waist in the darkness and sinks a 3/0 treble in your bicep while he hangs from the other 3/0...

I like my Boga and I've carried one for many years, although I often don't use it even when I have it. But every once in a while you get that fish that just seems to have it in for you or has a plug wedged oddly on it's face and that's when it comes out. It adds just enough buffer to make dealing with a fiesty fish a whole lot safer. Deciding not to carry it on me all the time last year really bit me in the ass. The arm, actually. It was back on my belt immediately after the above incident.

here is a question.... OK maybe more of an opinion.

Topic: Hook Set

what do you think dictates a good hook set?

to clarify. all things being equal, same size rod, reel, same line, drag setting, "J" hooks, lures or jigs

the action of the rod or the drag? both?

wondering....

ROTFLMAO

They have made it that way because thats what they like...

I have seen the guys you talk about...Many times, they look like idiots...Dressed to the nines with every brand name everything, spent thousands before they caught there first fish or think they fish better because somone else tells them to buy this wetsuit , wear a belt full of boga grips, pliers, hand held radios, red necklights etc, vs reels, portable borometers etc...they look like fools out of ice station zebra! They are at total war with fish! he men who have the latest and greatest of what they were told to buy! yet they have no clue what the wind is doing...oops, Forgot that one!

Then the guy walks off the beach in hip boots and grundens hauling a 40 over his shoulder! Its hilarious..

These guys dont even want to touch a fish anymore! Now a boga grip is the way to land a fish! They do all of this mind you to match wits with an animal that has a brain the size of a pin head..and all that lame gear is needed to partake in this battle of real men. They exole themselves of how "hard" they fished all night to land that bass....how reaching for the boga almost had them lose ballance while they waded out 6 million yards to climb up on a rock like a baffoon to master the beast..(buying a boat is smarter in this case and can acually prolong life, but thats another story)

here is whats next...Soon there will be another gadget for there lame looking belts full of all that useless gear...It will be a med kit for fish...It will have anit-biotic shots to give the fish to treat a host of illness's they may have, they may contain narcotics to lesson the pain and suffering they caused on the fish along with this portable oxygen to get there fish back in good shape...

When you meet these people they walk around like they are holding this huge secret and you cant dare ask where they caught there large bass....Gimmie a break, as for me I could give a good cheet where anyone catches, let alone some wet behind the ears kid thinking he has pulled the wool over the eyes of a guy who has done it a million times...They dont talk, they just smirk, the whispers begin, "hey did you hear how good those guys did those two weeks in August" wow there sharpies..They have all that gear you know, they know what there doing...

Fishing is not that complicated...its all a matter of putting in the time

:cheers:

no nerve endings on the part that's being cut................
whack the cuticle too close ~now that's a
horse of a different color :smash: :smash:.




anyone heard from Skitterpops, lately? :spin: :spin:
starting to miss his version of the "voice of reason".


Mike, ya out there?
could really go for sum of yer
tacks and gybes, buddy!:wavey:

I`m in the tower with lots of ammo :angel:

Now, THAT'S the Skitts :cheers: we ALL know and tolerate :wavey::wavey:.


hope that all is well in yer neck of the surf, Mike!!?



first good belly laugh in a looooong time, bro. THANKS!!
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

A friend of mine just retired as a dot com multi millionaire and finally buys his dream house on the beach. Now he has everything that he ever dreamed of (guy is kinda shallow). So he’s walking on his new private beach one morning and he comes across this lamp. So he rubs it and out pops a genie. The genie says to him, “I’ve been in that bottle for 500 years. Thanks for letting me out. As a token of my appreciation I’m going to grant you one wish for anything you want.” So my millionaire buddy thinks to himself, “well, I pretty much have everything I’ve ever dreamed of, but I love Europe and I hate flying. “Build me a bridge to Paris”, he says. The genie rolls his eyes, wipes his brow, starts to perspire and says, “Wow! A bridge to Europe, so much to think about, steel, concrete, engineering for over 3000 miles. Is there anything perhaps a little easier that you may want instead?” So my buddy starts to think about it again, finally he says, “ok, make it so that for the rest of my life I will always understand women.” The genie starts to sweat again and after fidgeting for several minutes says, “one lane or two?”.

Even if your a wine maker don't you have consceince? Thats where farmers bury their fish gutts...at the foot of the vine. Make the limit 4 or take your 8yr old fishing so you can take home 4, they don't think twice about it. Selfish pigs.

I hope I am taking your comment the wrong way!!! I think I can count the amount of fish I kept last season on one hand and yes every bite WILL be eaten (some still in the freezer). I never have a problem with someone keeping a fish for the table. The point I was getting at was some people are SO against keeping/killing fish and think that just because they release every fish they are magically exempt from fish mortality. Some fish will die. I agreed with Bloo's comment about if you worry about the fish being hurt THAT much than maybe you should not fish at all.

Jenny, Jenny, Jenny, Jenny and the Jets:) com'on now girl freind, I was speaking in general. Its kinda of like recycling, you can only do your part and not worry about your careless neighbor. Imo, to many guys (myself included at times) repeatedly want to impress their neighbors. Just saying I landed a couple 30# isn't enough, they can't take the time out to take a pix, heck they may miss a fish.

I often wonder...if they where in a situation where they where one of the last people on earth, some kind of catastrafy, would they continue to fish the way they do now? Hell freakin NO! They'd have no one to impress and they wouldn't wanna clean fish either.

Catching fish to eat is one thing. What gets me is the dude thats gota bring home 2 fish night after night after night, why? Even if your a wine maker don't you have consceince? Thats where farmers bury their fish gutts...at the foot of the vine. Make the limit 4 or take your 8yr old fishing so you can take home 4, they don't think twice about it. Selfish pigs.


Well for one, I don't think I'm a "selfish pig". I am guilty of often taking my legal limit of Striped-Bass home with me. I don't display my fish thru-out the neighbor-hood looking for admirers. Most of the time it's in the dead of night, and NO-ONE even knows I've come or gone. During the fall I stock freezer(s), there are some who no longer fish but truly enjoy the fruits of my labor and the labor of friends who sometimes fish with me and offer their fish to me knowing where it will end up. Not on the market nor the internet but in someone's basement freezer, not filleted as that wastes too much (meat/fish) in their eyes, so they chop it up and use every possible piece of (meat) that the fish has to offer, head, eyes and all. We didn't ALL come from a deep golden pocket who would rather buy clean, bleached fish rather then undress their own. I enjoy the act of giving. In my case it is very self-less. It's very rare that you see pictures of my fish on the net, normally they're used as Jokes to a thread, not for self proclamation.
I eat fish all winter, had some last week for that matter. It was delicious, even to a "pig" like me. The families that I provided fish for last season were VERY grateful, and there were no gifts exchanged for the fish, only LOVE in one way or another. We all have our reasons for keeping the legal limit. We shouldn't judge unless we're ready to be judged ourselves.


LeCounts1099 - I respect your outlook and your attempt at keeping the fish mortality to your lowest possilbe number. You are following your heart as I am mine, and I admire that quality. Please keep in mind that we ..as 2 different people, could possibly have our heart lead us into taking different actions, neither one being less noble. (Again, not looking for nobility here from anyone, respect is NOT gained on the internet).

[QUOTE=Goose;573027]Jenny, Jenny, Jenny, Jenny and the Jets:) com'on now girl freind, I was speaking in general. Its kinda of like recycling, you can only do your part and not worry about your careless neighbor.QUOTE]

Very true statement and now that you REALLY have me thinking about it that way, I feel kind of silly!

I think I am getting a little touchy latetly :o

I'm gonna slap you Gee Forces with G-Forces. you speaking of a 'fairweather fan' is like me speaking selfish pigs....I know ya know that ya little bass-tid. I been eatin frozen fish all winta too,,so there.

Goose,

Sorry if it seemed like a personal attack, I think & hope you know it wasn't meant that way. It just seemed like a good opportunity to share in why some of us keep the fish that we do. I'd like to think there are others like me, who do not keep fish solely for monetary value nor Internet value, but infact to satisfy others.
If I don't have a pre-home for the fish that are caught that night, and my own cavity is full, they go back. It's not about raping the stock or show-boating nor anything else for that matter, it's about filling someone's eyes with joy and quenching my own thirst for doing things that a LOT of people lack these days, giving without wanting to receive. I don't have much to offer, and to the right person....a freshly caught fish is "price-less".

My father didn't teach me how to fish primarily for enjoyments' sake, when we caught fish, it meant there was less money spent at the market, life was different back then coming from a different country with NOTHING but pride in oneself. Luckily, I don't have to fish for that reason, but I'll never forget those times and that there are always people out there like that, who could use any additional help as we did growing up.
I KNOW you know where I'm coming from - Gee-force slapper ...:yawn:........:zup:

...by the way, youz' guys are in trouble now, I'm coming out of hibernation for awhile, so expect to be attacked on your STUPID threads as well as encouraged on your RESPECTFUL ones.

...and I'm not worried about a BAN, that's the flavor of my deoderant already, so I'm used to the feeling. :D


:pats:


.........sorry, no questions for "#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&" either........maybe a question for John though -

If #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& will no longer be posting, perhaps a thread started or directed at him should be removed/locked? Seems our lovely moderators have no problem locking other threads, why not this one? Maybe fishaholeic is right and moderators as well as members enjoy this type of thread. ??? . . .

Nothing personal Mr. & Mrs. moderators....you know I have much respect for most of you. :wave:

Bloo...I can only speak for myself here but when I saw the thread and read it I thought about locking it......but after thinking about it a little more I realized that many would be looking for a reason for his absence and that explained it....I did not see anyone attacking him so thats is why I let it be. I am still new to this moderating thing and finding it hard at times to make the right choice. One way or another someone will not be happy.

Why is crack bad?

...I am still new to this moderating thing and finding it hard at times to make the right choice....

I completely understand the complexity of making the right decision when it affects so many people and I also understand your hesitation in being a new mod - Don't forget, you were chosen for a reason ;) Very level-headed, passionate about fishing and NOT a groupie of any clique on here. I believe you share John's views as to which type of people this site should cater to...Family, friendly, respectful "netizens of S-B". <<yeah, JR...that wuz a little corny..:hihi:>>

But Jenn, thanks for replying - and forgive me for putting my post above in the wrong thread, at the time that I typed it, I thought I was in the "did #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& get banned" thread and John already locked that one earlier today....
There were some cheap shots in that thread, and it's not healthy to pick on someone who can't defend or explain themself.

Don't forget, you were chosen for a reason ;) Very level-headed, passionate about fishing and NOT a groupie of any clique on here. You're right ...Family, friendly, respectful "netizens of S-B". <<yeah, JR...that wuz a little corny..:hihi:>> You're right (and it was somewhat intended to be corny)
But Jenn, thanks for replying - and forgive me for putting my post above in the wrong thread, at the time that I typed it, I thought I was in the "did #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& get banned" thread and John already locked that one earlier today.... You screwed up - banned :lasso:
There were some cheap shots in that thread, and it's not healthy to pick on someone who can't defend or explain themself. Correct

I love it when the Boss-Man says I'm right !!! :buds:


...also love to get whipped like that . . .... :eek::lasso: