:cputin::heybaby:

Nope! Bill is still here abouts!:hidin:

Nope! Bill is still here abouts!:hidin:

I've been told different !
No frigin loss if you ask me !

Oh...news to me.

I just read on the RI forum of the "other board" where he claims he got banned here.:huh:

Just saw the post also.

This guy has some issues going on!
Starts crap here, then goes on SOL and starts a tread announcing that he got banned here !:smash:

Couple things.

For starters, banned or not (which I will get into in a moment), it does absolutely no good to go and keep up the attacks on him or from him. So please, lets give that a rest.

I asked Bill what I should do in his case based on the amount of trouble that goes down, both the trouble caused by him and the trouble directed at him - sometimes justified and sometimes not. I asked him what I should do because things could not continue the way they were going. He suggested that banning him for a while would be the right way to go. A difficult decision for both of us I am certain but I put up with a lot more because of him and by him, as as other members and the moderators here, than necessary. Not fair and not fun. But his suggestion and I agreed.

So, don't let Bill get everyone all hot and bothered that he is getting "censored" for his opinions as he is not. He is having his posting privileges indefinitely removed. Subtle difference but there is a difference. He is no longer posting due to the fights and antics that goes down. Not as he states, his opinion.

It is not his "opinions" getting banned or censored. Nor is it, as he states "I guess its only a certain few who are allowed to have opinions anyway, thats that". We probably under censor here to a fault. So again - it is not "opinions" but the personal attacks that causes a lot of the unneeded flame wars to break out. It is the the fights and the attacks. And that cuts both ways, just because he is not posting here, it does not mean that it is OK to take shots at him.

In a nutshell, the personal attacks stop now. This winter has been a lot crappier than it needed be and I am personally sick of it.

Your the boss ;;

I may noY agree with everything or everyone >. buts that,s natural / between people / especially a bunch of half/crazed fishermen that are on the dowmside of a long winter ;;

I,m 100% behind you John /as far as /he has no priviliges & can,t defend himself ;;
So IMO you can like or dislike anyone / but name calling / bashing / putting down /or any other way you want to call it >>of a person >.no matter who it is / S/B reason for immediate loss of priviliges // && that,s towards someone that can respond .. but even the idea to start trashing someone /no matter who ..that has no right to reply or defend themselves only shows everyone on the site //// active & lurkers ?>>>>>>>>>>>>...who the real ass . hol es are :;;;


PS >.I gues s some people don,t have mirrors or memories // or is it that they choose to judge others & not themselves ;;;

this use to be a fun site :::: Bigger isn,t always better //
damn shame too /;:deadhorse::rumble:

yeah we're the "real arseholes" on here. we deliberately start chit just to get a rise out of people, belittle the site, etc. we go on other sites to state our problems with this one. give me a break...

WHY Bart .why would you think it was directed towards you ??? but if the shoe fits >>>>>>>>>>>>>> S T I CK IT UP YOUR ASS ><:whackin:

:deadhorse: . .. .Why is this smiley beating the shiznick out of the horse's ballz? I been watching too many pornos I think -

Another thread soon 2 - B - closed. :err:



I LOVE YOU MIKE!! :love:

WHY Bart .why would you think it was directed towards you ??? but if the shoe fits >>>>>>>>>>>>>> S T I CK IT UP YOUR ASS ><:whackin:

biting my tongue....

Serenity Now......:hee:

WHY Bart .why would you think it was directed towards you ??? but if the shoe fits >>>>>>>>>>>>>> S T I CK IT UP YOUR ASS ><:whackin:

Mike,

i believe that bart was giving a timeline example
of the progression of a majority of Bill's posts and
chronically his most recent affronts to this site.

i don't think that he thinks you were attacking him.
carry on, gentlemen :gu: :gu: :gu:

actually you are right on the money, BD. and i appreciate that coming from you seeing how we have some history :hihi:

ps. if you're wondering why i'm up at this ungodly hour, i have to give my mother a ride to TF Green at 430. haven't slept all night :smash:

Know whats funny here and people tend to forget? Guess what. This (and all) internet forums are PRIVATELY OWNED enterprises. John pays for the bandwidth. The 1st amendment and the Bill of Rights don't apply. Go stand on a street corner and rave at the people walking by if you want to exercise those rights. Or pay for your own site where you can rave all you want. John has the right to ban or take down any BS posted here at his discretion. End of story.

It's been a long winter,a bit to long if you ask me:jump1:....It's time to get back out there and fish.

Guys, gals, and bivalve molluscs - What I really mean here is that all of the personal attacks stop. You want to debate someone's opinion - go nuts. You want to argue a topic? That's what we are here for. Just please do it with a little respect - I'm not saying everyone needs to be Cumbaya - but do it in a way without dragging the other person over a bed of glass...

Thank you kind and knowledgeable netizens of S-B (yes, that was lame :lama:)

Bart;
i apologize >. Me off . airport .should have stopped in for coffee:err:

What I see is a bunch of f^%$# cry babies, grow some shoulders guys..WTF!! Never seen anything like it.. Maybe because I worked in garages all my life..Ball busting was a daily occurrence.. We actually had fun with it...Stop taking everything personal..Lighten up..Have some fun with it..Life is short.. I don't take this internet sh!t personal, and I've had my share of personal attacks on this site, I don't hold it against anyone..In person..I bet most guys on this site would act different..I've met a lot of people from this site and 99.9% were good/normal people..Made some good friends even, some are guys that I had gone back and forth with on the site in a "so called" flame war in the past (#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& being one of them) and we became good friends... We are all people here..We all have our differences..We all disagree on certain things (sh!t, I even disagree with my wife sometimes.:mad:)..What I guess I mean is..we shouldn't judge people by what is said on the net (it's too easy to type whatever you feel like and hit "ENTER")...They are usually much different in person..from my experiences anyways...Peace!

Bart;
i apologize >. Me off . airport .should have stopped in for coffee:err:

NP Clammer, i should have worded my post a little better :smash:

always respected you, your posts, and your outlook on life. tight lines...

.....In person..I bet most guys on this site would act different..

Bingo!!!!!!

:fishin:Is it spring yet?

So I suppose I will be the next guy banned. After all, I stick up for Billl. I share his views and opinions and I, like him, don't suffer fools very well.

You know as a Vet I get a hair across my A$$ every time one of these cry babies start with this "he dissed me" crap.

I suspect that the cry babies never served our country, never mind went into combat.

I think all the weiners should grow a pair of balls.

:rumble:

OH the Drama, :lurk:

The biggest reason most of these people are on this site is personal agendas and to spam there products, I am sick and tired of it

OH the Drama, :lurk:

The biggest reason most of these people are on this site is personal agendas and to spam there products, I am sick and tired of it

:hee::claps::hidin:

well put

OH the Drama, :lurk:

The biggest reason most of these people are on this site is personal agendas and to spam there products, I am sick and tired of it

:hee::claps::hidin:

Then instead of agendas and spam lets get it heading back into the other direction of a better fishing community.

Suggestions to make this site better?

Ya know John, I understand it's your site and you can do whatever you want with it but If your are gonna ban Bill for said reasons ya may as well ban probably 20 other guys..including myself.I can show you many times I've been personally attacked here, I just don't make a big deal of it..I think the problem is the guys who make a huge ordeal out of nothing.http://smilies.sofrayt.com/fsc/sobbing.gif.I also think the site will be effected by the ban..Believe it or not..Controversy brings customers..People love that sh!t..Even though most won't admit it...I'm sure you know all that anyway..Just my opinion..

Suggestions to make this site better?

1. Use the ignore feature if there is someone on the site that you can't stand.
2. Don't call people names or make fun of the way they look.
3. Think and read your post before hitting the submit key.
4. Grow a little bit of thick skin
5. Don't beat a dead horse
thats it for now
:deadhorse:
:cheers:

Ya know John, I understand it's your site and you can do whatever you want with it but If your are gonna ban Bill for said reasons ya may as well ban probably 20 other guys..including myself.I can show you many times I've been personally attacked here, I just don't make a big deal of it..I think the problem is the guys who make a huge ordeal out of nothing.http://smilies.sofrayt.com/fsc/sobbing.gif.I also think the site will be effected by the ban..Believe it or not..Controversy brings customers..People love that sh!t..Even though most won't admit it...I'm sure you know all that anyway..Just my opinion..

So in order to have a better site we should encourage people to beat each other up? I don't think so.

If this all causes a lot of people to move on because there will be less train wrecks than that is unfortunately something we'll need to deal with. I have had enough with people continuously attacking for sport.

That is the risk I'll have to take. We've done a fair amount of good here and lots of people have learned some things they otherwise would not have and a LOT of people have made friends they otherwise would not have. If I can keep THAT going, the good this site does, without a lot of the fighting and controversy - even if slower - than that is what I'll do.

The fights and train wrecks - while occasionally entertaining - it does get old after a while.

with F18 DAVE

not because i personally like The #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

but because controversy is what draws people to a story
and that was literally proven on Television as what brings people to watch a particular show...
i just saw a whole show on that subject in fact.

that being said... it may not apply in this particular situation.

My .02 cents.......I have had my share of head butting with a few folks here...mostly early on, but I quickly learned that I needed to respect others opinions whether I agreed with them or not I still needed to respect them and understand that everyone has an opinion. As F-18 said I have mended the fence with those that I had problems with and its all good. Most importantly folks need to understand that there are many different people on here that have many different levels of fishing experience from "Newbie" on up to the so-called "Sharpie"....I prefer to simply call them "experienced". Folks questions come from those different levels of knowledge, so instead of jumping all over a "Newbie" because they ask a question that those who are more "experienced" might find inane and stupid in their opinion is a valid question to those who ask it. So either help out with some advice or just do not comment. Also if someone is bothered by someone, their post or their opinion.....no need to start a big flame war over it....just do not comment and such silliness will die a quick death by sliding down the thread list into obscurity. I do not get involved in the "chit-slingin" threads anymore.....life is too short. In the immortal words of Rodney King......."Has anyone seen my crack pipe?"....:rotflmao:.....opppps...wrong quote.....I meant to say....."Can't we all just get along?":kewl:

I wandered in here for the free donuts and just never left!:tooth:

So I suppose I will be the next guy banned. After all, I stick up for Billl. I share his views and opinions and I, like him, don't suffer fools very well..

Another Bill figured this out already.

"A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool. "

William Shakespeare

We should all keep that truth in mind and we would treat each other better.

I wandered in here for the free donuts and just never left!:tooth:

We get Free donuts...??:huh:

Not since I showed up!:rolleyes:

Shucks, was in the mood for a chocolate glazed one. ;)

Things like this happen, just gotta let the dust settle.

So in order to have a better site we should encourage people to beat each other up? I don't think so.


That's not what I meant..That's funny though..LOL:tooth:

Why do you think it is that Billy (#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&) hits a nerve with guys more than most?

JohnR, Just like to say this is a great site. This problem is
not just this site. Most blogs are having the same problem.
It is to easy to trash someone on the net. Just hit enter
and sit back. We all bb but there is a line you dont cross.
As for #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& never met the man. Did enjoy his posts.
He did last season what all of us are fishing for. Call it
luck or skill dosnt mater. The week he was on fire ever member here wanted to have his luck or skill.
Hope ever one here has a great season and JohnR thanks for a great
site. If it wasnt for this site most of us would have gone crazy this winter. Yeah I know I am already crazy:jump1:

Guys and Gals. I want to move away from the opinions Pro or Anti #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&. He requested that he not post for a while, I agreed.

For now, where do we want to go from here? What will make the site better? What is important to you all that we try to do? Start a new thread for this?

Start a new thread for this?

Yup..:humpty:

Another Bill figured this out already.

"A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool. "

William Shakespeare

We should all keep that truth in mind and we would treat each other better.

At least I know I am a fool. So I would guess that makes me wise according to Mr. Shakespeare's logic.

Guys and Gals. I want to move away from the opinions Pro or Anti #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&. He requested that he not post for a while, I agreed.

For now, where do we want to go from here? What will make the site better? What is important to you all that we try to do? Start a new thread for this?

Respect each other and try to remember where we all once were starting out in this sport and then post a few..............................

Videos of hot chicks with big hooters fishing in teeny weeny bikinis?

Just a thought....:kewl:

When I'm reading the posts here, I try to keep in mind that I don't know the guy or gal behind that nifty nickname, or what their experience may or may not be. If they are relating a story, I listen. If MY experiences don't jibe, I at least know that everyone's angle of view is different, and so may be their perception. Still with me?
Now having heard their tale and noting that my version is different, I don't immediately judge them as wrong or a liar and call them out. I wouldn't do that in a face to face situation, and I sure as hell wouldn't do that from the safety of my keyboard. I've had it done to me, and I have to tell you, it gets my ass right out right now. If nothing else, listen and make note that that is another way your version of the situation could have gone. IMHO this is the cause of many flame wars on the interblabweb and also and even more sadly why more experienced and knowledgeable fishermen rarely post. I've said it before "you'd be surprised who lurks here" . YMMV

I think JR should be able to do what he wants when he wants. It is his yard, he sets the rules. With that being said if any one of us wakes up one morning and can't post we only have ourselves to blame. Summer is coming.

but then S-B would stand for string bikini instead of striped bass


lol... :cheers: Swimmer .......... i'll settle for spring :uhuh:


I think as a recreational fisherman myself who also fishes for food for the table...
( mostly stocked trout) as i practice catch and release of most Bass
so i can ... catch them again another day...

we need to adopt less of a PRO attitude and more of a Professor Moriarty, Back Beach Jake attitude.
that being to fish for the
FUN of it and try and emphasize that here a bit more...

SINCE.....we sure seem to be that way with plug building

I mean ....were are not in a serious big money competition with one another...
so why not try a little harder to accomplish that...

that would make S-B a better site.... then as a Group we can be more effective, all getting along...
to fight the real enemy which is the people who try and pull the LAND grab ,denial of fishing access and
use the conservation laws against us... groups - just my opinion.

Why did he have to, or want to ask to be banned? Why didn't he just stop posting?

When I'm reading the posts here, I try to keep in mind that I don't know the guy or gal behind that nifty nickname, or what their experience may or may not be. If they are relating a story, I listen. If MY experiences don't jibe, I at least know that everyone's angle of view is different, and so may be their perception. Still with me?
Now having heard their tale and noting that my version is different, I don't immediately judge them as wrong or a liar and call them out. I wouldn't do that in a face to face situation, and I sure as hell wouldn't do that from the safety of my keyboard. I've had it done to me, and I have to tell you, it gets my ass right out right now. If nothing else, listen and make note that that is another way your version of the situation could have gone. IMHO this is the cause of many flame wars on the interblabweb and also and even more sadly why more experienced and knowledgeable fishermen rarely post. I've said it before "you'd be surprised who lurks here" . YMMV

Jake :musc: I wish I could hold my tongue more till it gets to talk with my brain more like you :kewl:

But Bob I love spam... so delicious :spam::drool:

OH the Drama, :lurk:

The biggest reason most of these people are on this site is personal agendas and to spam there products, I am sick and tired of it

Jake :musc: I wish I could hold my tongue more till it gets to talk with my brain more like you :kewl:

That's quite a rare event for me really, kinda like an eclipse or something. I wondered where those voices were coming from...How you doing these days, Mike?

The winter doldrums are ripping us up. Lets focus on the Tackle show and the fact that spring begins on March 22nd. As well I will suffer through my 47 birthday on the 23rd. lol. I have met a few guys on this site and they were crafty,honest,hardworking, night prowling fisherman. So go to hooters crack a beer and fricking relax for gosh sakes. I would like to note that I am usually the one the starts at least 1 late winter flame war. I guess the drugs are working. lol

its only the freaking internet !!!!!

its taken way too serious .

now where did I store those bikini clad ladies .

The winter doldrums are ripping us up. Lets focus on the Tackle show and the fact that spring begins on March 22nd. As well I will suffer through my 47 birthday on the 23rd. lol. I have met a few guys on this site and they were crafty,honest,hardworking, night prowling fisherman. So go to hooters crack a beer and fricking relax for gosh sakes. I would like to note that I am usually the one the starts at least 1 late winter flame war. I guess the drugs are working. lol


Amen :gu: to that......

why? you don't like birthday CAKE? :rotf3:

its only the freaking internet !!!!!

its taken way too serious .

now where did I store those bikini clad ladies .

I just had a big long post written up and then I read this:grins: which basically summed it up.:rotf2:

I'm not going to say lighten up or anything like that. Just everyone is responsible for their posts good bad or indifferent and if it creates an opinion or feeling which in turn gets taken personally, next time maybe they shouldn't post.

Compared to some other forums I belong to this is NOTHING. Maybe I haven't seen any of the meat and potato flame wars but this site is relatively very tame.

For a "family fishing site" (which I wonder if you took a survey, how many member would prefer a more sailor talk type forum), JR has pretty tough job at keeping a balance of what is appropriate.

We as a society love "stupid drama" because it gives us an opportunity to stop thinking and just be entertained. That's why, our society as a collective whole from the outside looks pretty dumb. There is just SO much of it and we have basically stopped thinking.

Have you ever been with a bunch of friends and there is that one embarrassing guy or girl in the group you just want to stop or go away.. Why? because from the outside he or she is also representing you. I assume this is what john has to deal with on a daily basis.

my vote, bring in the bikini's and sailor talk :buds:and lighten the f up. OK Fine I said it!

ps: guess it got pretty long anyway :)

Something to remember is....

that we all are subject to vast mood swings because of the many variables in our daily living....
even adverse reactions to medications (even those found in our drinking water.... :af:)
a bad dream we don't even remember or a past experience that bothered us more than we ever realized...

~That can spur a flammable post to vent and then later you realize that your mood has completely changed
and now you feel completely different than before......or that you have since modified your attitude already ....

sometimes what you really need is a long walk to get an endorphin release by your brain to give you that
sense of well being or to hear some unexpected good news....

nothing is written in stone.

John-

One way to make the site better might be getting more action in on the how to board. Maybe people asking the "newbie" type of questions should write them there? Some great reading material in that section:)

One thing we need to do is stick together.
I care about conservation and access.
I guess working for a non profit org sets my sights a little differently.

I really don't post much as I am very far from being any kind of expert on anything.
I fish for fun, don't care much about all the scientifics and catch when I catch.
That doesn't mean I don't enjoy learning from all of you, it just means I am gonna do what I wanna do anyway.
The superior knowledge here has stopped me dead from asking any questions.
I'd feel like an idiot if I asked a simple question.
So I lurk around quite a bit.
Only because I love hearing the stories.
It makes me feel like I am not alone in what I think sometimes.
I don't like the BS so much.
For the most part I fish as long and as hard as I can in the atmosphere I prefer.
That is when I can have my camper on the beach.
I enjoy that more than anything.
But due to access problems I walk the beach from April to September.
I have often felt that there is no way I can seek out info here because I am not the one going after the fifty.
I am only going for dinner.
I only want to enjoy the solitude and peace and the outright joy I have fishing the striper surf.
I don't feel the need to debate that with anyone so I just stay quiet and read all of your joys!:D
If I ever feel I have learned anything to share, I will.
One thing I do suggest is that if you want help on making a better site you move this to a more appetizing thread.

are you the same "Plum Crazy" from another smaller fishing site geared towards "surfcasting." :err:

[QUOTE=Plum Crazy;573156]
I only want to enjoy the solitude and peace and the outright joy I have fishing the striper surf.
QUOTE]

You know more about fishing than a lot of the "experts".

are you the same "Plum Crazy" from another smaller fishing site geared towards "surfcasting." :err:
As far as I know yes.
I fish 40 hours straight sometimes.
No sleep. God forbid the powers that rule the coast if I lay my head down once. I am forced to fish 24 hours a day if I choose to bring my rig out.
Not that I wouldn't fish anyways but jeez sometimes I need a break.
I guess I am a different breed.
I park my butt in one spot ( I know it is a good one)
and I fish it 24.
I do fairly well.
I am really happy with that! I really really am.
God bless all of you in search of your fish of a lifetime, but I am just plain old happy fishing.
I love sunrises and sunsets.
I love storms that come out of nowhere. I love finding treasures, I love triple rainbows and hearing the rain on the roof of my camper.
I love everything the striper surf throws at me.
I will never be an expert and I doubt I could share anything with you.
Unless you want to hear a million stories of "HOW COULD I BE SO STUPID?"
LOL THOSE are funny!
I have learned allot from everyone here.
I lurk because I can't contribute.

Thanks Saltheart, I wish everyone could feel the way I feel when I step on the beach.

Seems like and honest man to me....:read:

OK folks. I think it is time to move on from this thread. I'm closing it down now.

If we want to have a discussion on how best to move forward, please start up a new thread - thanks!

john