Big upgrade from 7.10.

Now that the issues with suspending on laptops have been fixed(on mine anyways),I see no more need for Windows anymore.

100% Windows free and I didn't have to shell out penny for it!Amazing.

I can only speak from my experiences with Ubuntu.I've never had any major issues with it and having been using the last three releases and have found each newer release to have been an improvement over the prior.What issues I've had have been resolved by asking Qs in the support forums.

If you browse those forums you'll definitely find people who've found it to be a nightmare,it seems to react to different brands of PCs differently.

The best way to try it is to request a CD and run it "live" from the disc,its never installed but you get use the full OS.

If you decide to install and you find that its just not working you can run the live CD and use the partition editor to remove the partition with Ubuntu on it and you should be back where you started.

Ive used windows for years.. and have never had to shell out a penny for it.... Magical thing them torrents. Well maybe thats not 100% true, I did buy Vista, but only because I needed it for my job and didnt feel like dealing with the security or the pirated version.


Im curious, most people who I know who have swapped to linux are

1. Power *nix users.
or
2. Normal users who just feed into the anti microsoft hype of which I say I would be alot more worried about google taking over the world at this point...
or
3. People who just want something different. In which case I dont really buy it because a gui is a gui, and most gui's at least resemble windows.

What was the cause for your switches? Because unless your building a machine from scratch, the cost for windows on a new machine is somewhat negligible IMO..

I need to build a development machine sooner or later to work on PHP stuff. Ill prolly toss ubuntu on it, but linux is still not ready for prime time... Unless your not a gamer.. for email/web browsing/documents its fine..... Unless WoW or AoC put out linux clients which I dont see happening.


and yes.. I am biased being a gamer and a .Net developer.

Windows isn't free.You want to upgrade to the latest version you gotta pay.No microsoft product comes without some type of string attached.You being a gamer I would imagine you buy new hardware and/or a machine every couple of years?That costs money.

Windows is a beast that consumes a computer's resources.The OS takes up a ton of space and memory.Never mind all the other AV and spyware programs needed to protect it.

The insane amount of housekeeping that needs to be done to keep it running.Defrag,after market progs to get rid of useless unused files like out of date reg keys and index.dat files to name just a few.

Then you have the hardware/software conflicts.You might not get that "blue screen of death" anymore but you still gotta hit the 'ol ctrl/alt/del to bring up task manager so you can end that program that's "not responding".

I'm so glad to be free of Windows.

And the community based support for Ubuntu is awesome.There's always literally hundreds(if not thousands)of people online at any given time of day in the support forums who can answer and solve any question.You'll never get that from Microsoft.

Windows isn't free.You want to upgrade to the latest version you gotta pay.No microsoft product comes without some type of string attached.You being a gamer I would imagine you buy new hardware and/or a machine every couple of years?That costs money.



Yes.. I do spend $$ to upgrade my system to play the latest games... BUT.. that being said.... if I am playing WoW on linux, I still need the same RAM, graphics card, and processor... If I am working with large photo's or video's - same deal... The Gimp is fine, but give me Photoshop any day. If I were building a machine for the kitchen for just email or general browsing, then sure, maybe then linux would be sufficient, but then again, Id also want to share music etc and Samba isnt exactly childs play.



Windows is a beast that consumes a computer's resources.The OS takes up a ton of space and memory.Never mind all the other AV and spyware programs needed to protect it.


I havent used spyware or antivirus in over a year.. I go to many of the most vile reaches of the interweb. I havent been infected once in that time.. You just need to be a responsible user. Cant deny that vista and XP are both hogs though, you get a point there.

The insane amount of housekeeping that needs to be done to keep it running.Defrag,after market progs to get rid of useless unused files like out of date reg keys and index.dat files to name just a few.

Vs the insane amount of setup and housekeeping in order to setup and maintain a *nix system? Thats the main reason most people I know who use linux actually use it. They can tweak to their hearts content. It boggles my mind to see how much housekeeping they do in order to maintain their system. Granted, they are anything but standard users, but unless your messing with things you shouldnt be, then clearing out some tempfiles and running a defrag monthly isnt a big deal.

Then you have the hardware/software conflicts.You might not get that "blue screen of death" anymore but you still gotta hit the 'ol ctrl/alt/del to bring up task manager so you can end that program that's "not responding".

Or you can just deal with the fact that some hardware has no linux drivers, or the drivers are beta, or community driven so who knows what effect that video driver will have on your system. Every try to configure a 3D graphics card in linux? Cntrl-alt-del or opening terminal and ps x / kill -9 are not too different.


I'm so glad to be free of Windows.

And the community based support for Ubuntu is awesome.There's always literally hundreds(if not thousands)of people online at any given time of day in the support forums who can answer and solve any question.You'll never get that from Microsoft.

Sure I do. http://forums.asp.net is a MS owned site I beleive. Its more development based and developers are a bit geekier with that type of stuff. MSDN might be kinda useless, but it is a RARE occasion indeed when I cant find the answer to what I need out there for my windows problems..

But.. all in all, I cant fault you.. I just love tweaking the anti MS fanboys. If linux works for you and your needs, then I think its great that you use it. Its perfect for someone who can actually use a computer, but doesnt use it for much outside the basics. Someday it might be a truly viable competitor, but untill then, its certainly not for everyone. I work for Plumchoice/Firedog part time, and 99% of the people I talk to do not even know what an address bar is in Internet explorer or firefox. That damn google toolbar/yahoo toolbar/aol toolbar/etc is a plague that needs to die.

Personally if I were ever going to drop windows it would be for OSX

the post office runs on Linux

When the VP of sales PC that is running on Ubuntu has issues, who do I call for instant assistance? Not "post it in a forum and hope" assistance......real "I need it fixed now" assistance.

Open source is great for the home PC....but I wouldn't want to build a business around it.....I need phone #'s to feel happy :hee:

Sure I do. http://forums.asp.net is a MS owned site I beleive. Its more development based and developers are a bit geekier with that type of stuff. MSDN might be kinda useless, but it is a RARE occasion indeed when I cant find the answer to what I need out there for my windows problems..

But.. all in all, I cant fault you.. I just love tweaking the anti MS fanboys. If linux works for you and your needs, then I think its great that you use it. Its perfect for someone who can actually use a computer, but doesnt use it for much outside the basics. Someday it might be a truly viable competitor, but untill then, its certainly not for everyone. I work for Plumchoice/Firedog part time, and 99% of the people I talk to do not even know what an address bar is in Internet explorer or firefox. That damn google toolbar/yahoo toolbar/aol toolbar/etc is a plague that needs to die.

Personally if I were ever going to drop windows it would be for OSX

Sorry Brian,but you've misunderstood.

Linux=open source(free and fully tweakable).
Windows(Mac)=closed source(pay and you get what you pay for.)

I can tweak my OS,you cannot.

Btw you can use Linux for way much more than the "basics" as you've stated.WAY much more.

I'm just a guy who doesn't like paying for unnecessary sh!t...which in this case is all the BS that comes with Windows(Mac).

As far as calling me an MS antifanboy,keep the childish remarks to yourself.

You want childish:You work for Firedog partime installing TVs and PCs for an electronics chain store.That's really cool...there's some good credentials:doh:.See how childish that sounds.Btw try not mixing your retorts in with the quote,very confusing to a dumb Linux guy.

Stop.Just stop.I'm done with this bullsh!t and won't play this game.I posted something that people like me might be interested in and all I get is grief.

Thanks.

When the VP of sales PC that is running on Ubuntu has issues, who do I call for instant assistance? Not "post it in a forum and hope" assistance......real "I need it fixed now" assistance.

Open source is great for the home PC....but I wouldn't want to build a business around it.....I need phone #'s to feel happy :hee:

You can most certainly call someone for assistance for a real "I need it fixed now".Really.Canonical provides live support for Ubuntu users who run a business.

No.. I work PART time... 15 hours a week, in my basement, cleaning up spyware for people who cant function even the most simple commands... If I am going to sit in front of a PC at night, I might as well get paid to do it.

I work FULL time as a .Net programmer at a lawfirm in downtown Boston. Ive been there for 8 years... I rose the ranks from Desktop support, to apps specialist, to telecom specialist, to where I am now.

and no.. I have not misunderstood.... not at all... because the "basics" are something that a vast majority of the country cannot do. Which is why linux is and will be a niche OS for home users for the foreseeable future.

Sorry Brian,but you've misunderstood.

Linux=open source(free and fully tweakable).
Windows(Mac)=closed source(pay and you get what you pay for.)

I can tweak my OS,you cannot.

Btw you can use Linux for way much more than the "basics" as you've stated.WAY much more.

I'm just a guy who doesn't like paying for unnecessary sh!t...which in this case is all the BS that comes with Windows(Mac).

As far as calling me an MS antifanboy,keep the childish remarks to yourself.

You want childish:You work for Firedog partime installing TVs and PCs for an electronics chain store.That's really cool...there's some good credentials:doh:.See how childish that sounds.Btw try not mixing your retorts in with the quote,very confusing to a dumb Linux guy.

Stop.Just stop.I'm done with this bullsh!t and won't play this game.I posted something that people like me might be interested in and all I get is grief.

Thanks.

No.. I work PART time... 15 hours a week, in my basement, cleaning up spyware for people who cant function even the most simple commands... If I am going to sit in front of a PC at night, I might as well get paid to do it.

I work FULL time as a .Net programmer at a lawfirm in downtown Boston. Ive been there for 8 years... I rose the ranks from Desktop support, to apps specialist, to telecom specialist, to where I am now.

and no.. I have not misunderstood.... not at all... because the "basics" are something that a vast majority of the country cannot do. Which is why linux is and will be a niche OS for home users for the foreseeable future.

Yes,you have completely misunderstood.

You've bought into the idea that the vast majority can't learn and therefore there's need for you($).Teach the masses Linux and you have no job.

Linux is a "niche" OS?Huh?Linux(Unix) is older than you are!

Full time as a .Net programmer for a law firm and all that from desktop to apps., better send your resume straight to Bill's office CUZ you're hired.Windows Vista 2.0 by you!NOT!

Just because you make a living off of Windows,don't insult the rest of us who choose to steer clear of that sh!t.

Open source=free.
What you do=$$$
Simple.
Get it?
Probably not.

Thankyou.

Yes,you have completely misunderstood.

You've bought into the idea that the vast majority can't learn and therefore there's need for you($).Teach the masses Linux and you have no job.

Linux is a "niche" OS?Huh?Linux(Unix) is older than you are!

Full time as a .Net programmer for a law firm and all that from desktop to apps., better send your resume straight to Bill's office CUZ you're hired.Windows Vista 2.0 by you!NOT!

Just because you make a living off of Windows,don't insult the rest of us who choose to steer clear of that sh!t.

Open source=free.
What you do=$$$
Simple.
Get it?
Probably not.

Thankyou.


and it seems you have bought into the idea that if Linux ever DID take any sort of relevant share of the home market, that it would remain free. Its free now because its a hobbyists toy. Sure the OS might remain free, but developers have itchy fingers and everyone wants to make a buck.

or is the world going to join hands together in unity and sing campfire songs and suddenly forget materialism?

Everything comes with a cost be it time or $$.

Work on passing OSX for market share - till then, its a niche market... I dont care how old it is. 2%.. woo!

http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php

You know why linux will never go anywhere?
People like you.
The high and mighty OMG MS SUX LOLOLOLOLOLOL group.
You give off a terrible image of yourselves. You sit there and freak out any time someone second guesses your OS. Everyone thinks you're a bunch of nerds in your mom's basement.

You're the worst kind of computer user.
You think your garbage packaging system doesn't smell, well guess what? THEY'RE ALL TERRIBLE.

None of you can agree on one packaging system to unify everything. Its the same stupid story year after year and its why you're all still divided.

And please, stop grouping linux with unix.
Its not the same, linux is loosely BASED on unix.
Much like osx is loosely BASED on the bsd kernel.

You're not using unix. You're not the pioneers. You're just the metoo's.

In reality the costs are the same to maintain linux servers as they are MS servers. How would I know? I've spent more time at the old Exodus hosting in Burlington than you've probably spent in the entire industry around people who actually pioneered whats important in the computing world on this coast.

Server level:

MS: upfront OS costs, support costs/average admin salary lower

Linux/BSD: free OS, average admins looking for more money for relatively closed market experience.

Desktop level:

MS/Apple: more user familiarity, much lower cost support solutions

Linux/BSD: learning curve to get users up on common tasks necessary, need to hire trainers for normal tasks, yet again, need for experienced admins at higher salaries.

All around costs:

MS/Apple: much more diverse driver and software support. ability to go directly to the vendor if assistance needed.

Linux/BSD: LOL drivers LOL vendor support (even ex-alias|wavefront will laugh in your face if you ask for support for their $24,000 software package Maya)

though it sounds like there is some huge resentment there likwid....


well said. :)

i hate os wars. find what is best served for the given task and use it.
I have to use all three Mac / Windows / and Linux and am always open to finding the best solution with an unbiased approach.

I don't feel this way about our Mac users or full out linux fanatics. Mac users in general have such a hate on for windows (a la the smear campain commercials).

what are you trying to do?
internet, email, and documentation?. by a cheap dell for 400 bucks and off you go.
photoshop/ lower grade education? get a mac
gaming? spend some time and effort in your research and get a windows box.
database windows / linux both have a pretty good back end solution (s)
programming? pick your poison





or







don't

You know why linux will never go anywhere?
People like you.
The high and mighty OMG MS SUX LOLOLOLOLOLOL group.
You give off a terrible image of yourselves. You sit there and freak out any time someone second guesses your OS. Everyone thinks you're a bunch of nerds in your mom's basement.

You're the worst kind of computer user.
You think your garbage packaging system doesn't smell, well guess what? THEY'RE ALL TERRIBLE.

None of you can agree on one packaging system to unify everything. Its the same stupid story year after year and its why you're all still divided.

And please, stop grouping linux with unix.
Its not the same, linux is loosely BASED on unix.
Much like osx is loosely BASED on the bsd kernel.

You're not using unix. You're not the pioneers. You're just the metoo's.

In reality the costs are the same to maintain linux servers as they are MS servers. How would I know? I've spent more time at the old Exodus hosting in Burlington than you've probably spent in the entire industry around people who actually pioneered whats important in the computing world on this coast.

Server level:

MS: upfront OS costs, support costs/average admin salary lower

Linux/BSD: free OS, average admins looking for more money for relatively closed market experience.

Desktop level:

MS/Apple: more user familiarity, much lower cost support solutions

Linux/BSD: learning curve to get users up on common tasks necessary, need to hire trainers for normal tasks, yet again, need for experienced admins at higher salaries.

All around costs:

MS/Apple: much more diverse driver and software support. ability to go directly to the vendor if assistance needed.

Linux/BSD: LOL drivers LOL vendor support (even ex-alias|wavefront will laugh in your face if you ask for support for their $24,000 software package Maya)

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Thanks TDF.I kinda regretted that.You beat me to it.Thanks again.

awww i love crazy over the top huffy-ness over an unanswerable question.

we're all friends here.
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Guys - you know what - you are all correct in many areas of the OS wars.

Ya know what the beauty is? You all have choices ;)

It is very easy to stand on the OS Soap Box and say they other guy is evil. But the beauty is you all have choice. Mainstream CHOICE.

Most users I support, home, business, whatever, would be incapable of running Linux. Some would. Most office infrastructures would be mistaken to run Linux, some would be OK.

What I like is that I can run some Linux in a MS infrastructure to do things cheaply and often better than MS can do them. MAC can do some things well (easily) that MS and Linux do but there are also things that MAC is woefully inadequate in, especially in a business environment.

Having supported all three and used all three (though least on the MAC for personal usage) they ALL have their roles and places.

One thing though, MAC does have the best commercials....

So make things here your personal choices but don't take them personal - thanks!

In a nutshell, there is lots of good

John if you'd only read my response to Likwid you would've banned me.Trust me.Better minds prevailed and TDF took care of business.Thanks again TDF.

Its been a rough two weeks for me and that's no excuse for the profane crap I spewed forth.

My only issue here is that I know nothing about OSs and I just like Ubuntu and I'm not a big corperate guy.All I wanted to do is let folks know about the new release.I don't live in my mom's basement as she's been dead for 30yrs.Most of my life has been spent working in the trades and I'm a Vet.Everything I have I've busted ass for including the home I now own.So I took great exception to Likwid's interpretation of me and said some extremely horrible things which thankfully TDF took care of.

The only thing I apoligize for here is myself.Can't apoligize to my fellow member as I don't believe he deserves it.

I've said my piece and am done with this thread.

man. the boxing kitty couldn't even alleviate the mood. :tooth:

I'm a gamer so I'm stuck with windows.I use XP pro.Watercooled processor ,dual 768mb sli nvidia cards.Dual core amd with 2 gb mushkin ram.2x 150gb wd raptors running raid.I have a remote on my keys that will turn her on from the truck.Use windows only because others aren't supported by games.Any gamer would drop Windows in a minute for an Os that was less a hog.I haven't played any games in a while but thats what I use.I like the boxing kitty.Wondering if the guy in the mask really gets dropped or is it movie magic.

man that is a sick system.
do you have assasins creed? your rig is close to the minimum requirements for that game?

even if trash knock out is rigged... it's kinda funny :)

Nah last games I played were COD4 and TF2.Waiting for BF Heroes to play again.Bored of gaming.