Good idea?
Seems to me - even though in the words of David Byrne, "I have tried marijuana, I get nervous every time."
The Dutch seem to be doing pretty well not spending money sending people to jail for drugs. We've got the largest percentage of people in prison in the western world.

"Legalize it, and I will advertise it...."
~Peter Tosh


Honestly, there are far more serious pressing issues that the money used to bust people smoking pot could be used for IMHO.

Im all for it.

alcohol is far more destructive than herb.. :smokin:

makes sense to me.

A fine for possessing small amounts would save a lot of taxpayers dollars. There is way too much time and money spent prosecuting pot cases in court. I do feel that if someone is caught with a large amoount, they should be prosecuted for intent to distribute.

With the "three stikes" law - it's possible to go to jail for the rest of your life over a bag of pot.
Police and DEA agents working on drug investigations cost becoup - particularly with their retirement packages. Same thing with the Coast Guard - a tremendous amount of money and resources.
Is this cycle of long imprisonment and costly enforcement realistically sustainable? Has it even made a difference?

:smokin:

Im all for it.

alcohol is far more destructive than herb.. :smokin:

I'll second that...does not make sense to me that booze can be legal and pot not...
at the least decriminialize it...

The Fact that it is illegal is what makes
it profitable ..... and worth 10 - 20 times
it's real value...

Look what happened during alcohol prohibition

it was a mistake when Richard Nixon
started the counter culture WAR
and it's been costing the tax payer ever since.

Yes.Legalize it.

Partnership for a drug free America,our government and the cops need to get their priorities in order.They focus almost exclusively on weed when it comes to talking to America's youth about drugs.Guess they forgot about crack,meth and smack...you know those highly addictive drugs that actually kill people and ruin families.

Weed really does have medicinal purposes both physical and mental.

The most dangerous thing about weed is its illegality.Its illegality promotes curiosity and that leads to use which means it has to be done behind closed doors with other illegal things.At some point in time the person smoking illegal weed will more than likely encounter someone doing illegal dope like crack etc....."try this."The only thing that makes weed a "gateway" drug is that the stupid laws governing weed has put it in the same category as crack,heroin,meth etc.

Btw I don't smoke pot.I'm just using common sense.

And before someone brings up alcohol as being legal lets not forget billions of $$$ is spent advertizing drinking alcohol as being "fun".Billions spent.

legalize it >>>>>....need a price drop ><><:uhuh:

[QUOTE=Karl F/2463[/url]

seen guys have one martini and think they are King freaking Kong...wanna fight the world...yet.. if they'd been puffin, alll they woulda wanted is a cheeseburger... and a nap...




good one..

seen guys have one martini and think they are King freaking Kong...wanna fight the world...yet.. if they'd been puffin, alll they woulda wanted is a cheeseburger... and a nap...


Ben and Jerrys and a nap.

But seriously, the only thing i would worry about is people driving. Similar to alcohol it makes you less aware and less reactive, therefore causing accidents on the road. Since some people are just dumb and not stoned it may be tough for a cop to tell if theyre stoned or just plain dumb sometimes

are the prescription drugs...

the abuse has risen 700%

and yet the Doctor's keep prescribing
all this crap that makes people commit suicide
or they die from an over dose...
especially when combined with BOOZE

and that stuff is all legal

ridiculous as hell

it will never be legal. too many nonsmokers making the rules. they just don't get it and never will

im all for it.. booze (especially to much) is bad news..you end up in fights, doing dumb s#$%^, and regretting things the day after. with smoke you just chill out, relax, and enjoy what you are into doing.

the price of govt regulation, policing, prisons. all could be spent on better more important issues. i agree its not a gateway to harder drugs. never was for me at least.. cigs and booze was 1st things i did when i was young, still smokin cigs and got alot of incidents w/ alcohol i wish never happend. weed on the other hand..cant say its personally hurt me really. well wait there was that one time with the police.... :smokin:

:deadhorse:

oh yeah my uncle just scored a license to smoke..(100% disabled) i gotta say i am f$%^&*$ jealous. hopefully w/ people starting to have licenses to smoke it will work (hopefully) and help other people (polititans) realize its not that bad.

I definately say make it legal.The problem is that it can be
very dangerous if the quality is too high (pun intended) for
someone who doesn't smoke often.There is stuff out there
that will knock even the most experienced on thier arse :bl:

thats right your all wrong. how many peaple have been killed by a stoned driver . or beat his girl friend up high on pot.. 0 its a joke ...tax it and sell it like booze... revise woodstock .problem is to many anti smokers....:cens::cens::cens:

Backbeach and I have an ongoing debate about this. Surprised he hasn't dropped in the first salvo... :^)

I'm for decriminalization all the way. Dozens of legal things more dangerous than smoke. I don't even smoke. (Anymore):as:
Probably wouldn't start either if it was legal, though I'd indulge in an occasional cookie.

How many violent crimes, suicides, etc.. related to it every year? Damn near none as far as I know. I'd much rather deal with someone on smoke than half in the bag drinking, though I doubt alchohol abuse would decrease if Marijuana was legal.

There is stuff out there
that will knock even the most experienced on thier arse :bl:

But even that Worst Case scenario just means they'll find you asleep on the Couch in your underwear with Bright Orange Finger Tips hugging a half empty 2 liter bottle of Coke.

Also, I think another reason that hinders its legalization is that it would be almost impossible to control. It is easily grown, in sand, mud, soil, hell rocks and never mind hydro:devil2:

I also do not understand how alcohol can be legal and pot not. I have the "pleasure" of slinging drinks and I gotta say, booze turns 50% of the people into instant A-hole.
I know I would much rather be passing a bong at a hash bar than giving 21yr olds a few drinks w/shots=bad news.

I also do not understand how alcohol can be legal and pot not. I have the "pleasure" of slinging drinks and I gotta say, booze turns 50% of the people into instant A-hole.
I know I would much rather be passing a bong at a hash bar than giving 21yr olds a few drinks w/shots=bad news.


The answer to why alcohol is legal and pot isn't is simple. Money. Big companies produce, market and sell alcohol. Pot is grown in second and third world countries and sold by some guy with dirty hair standing on the corner playing hacky sack. If Big Business, Inc. could find a way to get rich monopolizing the sale of weed, it probably would become legal. Then it would be reulated and the small time dealers would be stuck selling Phish bootlegs and magic mushrooms.

Im all for it.

alcohol is far more destructive than herb.. :smokin:

Absolutely and when and if it ever happens I will be seriously investing in Twinkie futures at Hostess Foods.

:smokin: chasing down pot smokers and prosecuiting them is a waste of valuable time and resources for law enforcement.

Just look at your local court reports in the papers. Pot arrest, six months without a finding, 50.00 bucks court fees, no record.

Drunk driving 1st offense, 45 day license suspension, Alchohol counseling ( which you pay for 1000.00) 400.00 +/- court fees, record.

We have better things to worry about. Crack, unregistered guns on the street, Republicans.

Start investing in cheetos and dorritos now

The Fact that it is illegal is what makes
it profitable ..... and worth 10 - 20 times
it's real value...

Look what happened during alcohol prohibition

it was a mistake when Richard Nixon
started the counter culture WAR
and it's been costing the tax payer ever since.

Saw an interesting show several years ago and the Nixon War on Drugs was a result of our great nation sending boys to Vietnam and having them come home hopelessly hooked on drugs, including heroin and opium. Weed got caught in the net, right or wrong, who knows, but with it being illegal now it serves as a gateway to other substances like Basswipe described...

I think the dorito's with mild salsa is the best munchie resolver.

But even that Worst Case scenario just means they'll find you asleep on the Couch in your underwear with Bright Orange Finger Tips hugging a half empty 2 liter bottle of Coke.




:rotf2: Did this happen TDF?

I'll second that...does not make sense to me that booze can be legal and pot not...
at the least decriminialize it...

Its legal like tobacco is legal because of political graft

I was gonna post something but I forgot..
Dave's not here Man...
I remember when i was a kid..I thought Our Country would be so cool cause it would be my generation there to run it...
What the Hell happened..The dweeb I usta shoot spitballs at in the 5th grade is running the country..
They could pack it like cigarettes,sell it in liquor stores an tax the hell out of it.When U remove the money spent on all forms of enforcement and add the new revenue.I you would be talking about some large figures..
Here's what it comes down to..
Pot Smokers don't vote..
Right wing southern belt religious fanatics vote.How the hell else do u get George Bush for 2 tours..
Pipe Dreams..

If it ever does become legal, I will give a 30% discount to all SB.com members on some of the sickest bongs you will ever see in your life :hihi:

Start investing in cheetos and dorritos now

buy the S-B Brand chip

has a coupon inside

for m&D's :btu:

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c66/ravenob1/dorito.jpg

wow, something we all agree on. this doesn't happen too often....

Another example of Hedonism that is slowly bringing down society. History has shown that when we live in this "if it feels good do it" attitude ,,,it has produced men and women that are lazy, lustful and gluttonous. It demises. Everyone agrees that healthy families are the foundation to all cultures,,no brain er right? So how will legalizing weed attributed to a better society, it doesn't. It will only blind side us like other things the government has done that puts money in front of people. And when parents look at there kids and ask what went wrong don't forget to look in the mirror.

700% increase in prescription drugs.???? blame doctors - blame government - blame insurance companies - just blame. Looking at old footage from an amusement park of hundreds of people there wasn't one obese person in that tape. Today?? Family members have so many personnel issues that instead of them supporting each other they can't... so no chit there are false/temporary fixes to fill in the void before they go to drugs and counseling. IMO people will listen for about 1/2 hour then your on your own...go find something to keep you happy.

RITZ CRACKERS & ICE CREAM >>>

:eyes:

RITZ CRACKERS & ICE CREAM >>>

:eyes:

Mikey, you would definetly have to be stoned to think that Ritz crackers and Ice Cream go well together.

Another example of Hedonism that is slowly bringing down society. History has shown that when we live in this "if it feels good do it" attitude ,,,it has produced men and women that are lazy, lustful and gluttonous. It demises. Everyone agrees that healthy families are the foundation to all cultures,,no brain er right? So how will legalizing weed attributed to a better society, it doesn't. It will only blind side us like other things the government has done that puts money in front of people. And when parents look at there kids and ask what went wrong don't forget to look in the mirror.

700% increase in prescription drugs.???? blame doctors - blame government - blame insurance companies - just blame. Looking at old footage from an amusement park of hundreds of people there wasn't one obese person in that tape. Today?? Family members have so many personnel issues that instead of them supporting each other they can't... so no chit there are false/temporary fixes to fill in the void before they go to drugs and counseling. IMO people will listen for about 1/2 hour then your on your own...go find something to keep you happy.

No Goose!
700% increase in prescription drug deaths from 2002 -2004

qoute:
A recent analysis of U.S. death certificates from the last two decades shows a sharp increase in accidental deaths due to at-home prescription drug use. According to the Associated Press, researchers “blame soaring home use of prescription painkillers and other potent drugs, which 25 years ago were given mainly inside hospitals.” The study found that “Deaths from medication mistakes at home increased from 1,132 deaths in 1983 to 12,426 in 2004. Adjusted for population growth, that amounts to an increase of more than 700 percent during that time.”
~
rav-
the legalization of a single drug... not every single one which is a Regan era tactic... You try to discuss just POT and instantly the conversation switches over to Cocaine and or heroin and others..
speed ...whatever just to take you off topic and lump them all together for the purpose of COMPLETELY avoiding the issue.
======================================
(it's comparable to saying we should legalize BEER ...then also saying: well then people are gonna be chugging a quart of jack daniels and doin Shots and watching girls strip off their clothes at a strip club.) the subject of beer legalization being swept away by
issues of morality and the abuse of hard liquor..... (it's a game)
a ploy , a tactic to avoid the issue every time....
=========================================
legalization is what takes the profitability out of it...weed just weed.
making it less apt to be smuggled or distributed.
--------------
I watched the drug movie last night and it was comical watching
Tricky #^&#^&#^&#^& Nixon ,"Ronald Regan and wife" and Bill Clinton all
claiming to have turned the war on drugs around with their new proposals for tougher laws and prosecuting drug offenders.

it hasn't worked after spending over a trillion dollars !!!!

it's the wrong approach...all it did was make it more profitable and desirable and in effect they caused the drug problem by making it profitable at ten times to twenty times it's true value.

I can tell you this, in my line of work I have seen the hell that the abuse of "legal" drugs have wreaked on people. It is a crime that these perscription drug companies turn this stuff out on a population and it destroys lives and families. Oxycontin is worse than herion, but, "my doctor gave it to me, it must be ok." I've seen that little pill can turn a hard working productive human being into a maniac. I haven't seen pot do that, and I have seen Budweiser do it.

I'd rather deal with someone on a bit of weed than a 12 pack of Bud anyday.

I can tell you this, in my line of work I have seen the hell that the abuse of "legal" drugs have wreaked on people. It is a crime that these perscription drug companies turn this stuff out on a population and it destroys lives and families. Oxycontin is worse than herion, but, "my doctor gave it to me, it must be ok." I've seen that little pill can turn a hard working productive human being into a maniac. I haven't seen pot do that, and I have seen Budweiser do it.

I'd rather deal with someone on a bit of weed than a 12 pack of Bud anyday.


Well, unless you have terminal cancer, crippling back pain, etc. and the only reason you can now sleep through the night or go through life without blowing your brains out is extended release narcotic painkillers (i.e. Oxycontin). There are two sides to the OC story. Admittedly, the other side is that drug addicts like to crush them up to get the 12 hr dose all at once, and doctors can be criminals like anyone else.

Anyway, I don't see a reason for pot to be illegal either. Make it illegal to drive high and for kids - that's all that's needed.

There's no constitutional basis for the government to be able to legislate what people put into their own bodies.

Steve ;;

then I musta been high ><. F#$%^&*() ran out of crackers ;;;;

Now I,m waking up in the morning && the f #$%^&*( bed is full of F #$%^&*( popicicle stick ????:humpty:

How the hell else do u get George Bush for 2 tours..

Drugs....

how do you get Bush for two tours, asks NIB


Drugs....

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c66/ravenob1/Bong.jpg

But even that Worst Case scenario just means they'll find you asleep on the Couch in your underwear with Bright Orange Finger Tips hugging a half empty 2 liter bottle of Coke.

you have the best replies to most threads out here!

I say legalize it, its not worse that booze. I cant say it has no downside, I have seen a lot of friends waste there lives away in front of the tube doing bong hits all day. But I guess I have seen worse with alcohol.

I definately say make it legal.The problem is that it can be
very dangerous if the quality is too high (pun intended) for
someone who doesn't smoke often.There is stuff out there
that will knock even the most experienced on thier arse :bl:

Zero evidence that pot is dangerous, no matter the strain.

But I suppose if falling over passed out is dangerous, then you're right. :hihi:

Zero evidence that pot is dangerous, no matter the strain.

:hihi:

actually inhaling smoke (of any kind) which is a form of dust and not much different then real fine sawdust, can clog the lungs.... which is an obvious conclusion... and no offense meant

but on the other hand the new method of zero smoke vaporizer's
solves that problem....not that i have ever tried one... :huh:

what most people don't realize however is that the compound in cannabis called "canabinoids" is also produced by the human body
for the purpose of pain relief, which is sorta why it's as harmless
as it is physically.:uhuh:

Im all for it.

alcohol is far more destructive than herb.. :smokin:

LEGAL drugs are more destructive than alcohol
yet they are all LEGAL ....

alcohol is killing people every single day

yet herb is illegal

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/06/fl.insurance.drug.ring/index.html

I heard a story once that when Dupont invented nylon, they lobbied DC hard to make pot illegal and funded 'reefer madness'.. the movie that painted the picture of herb as an evil drug.

the reason?? Nylon was perfect for making rope.. Hemp rope was the most popular and cheapest rope at the time and Nylon could not compete...
or so the story goes.

I could use some right now.:smokin:

Got any? :tooth:

There is stuff out there
that will knock even the most experienced on thier arse :bl:

hemp..... alone could solve the ENERGY crisis....

it isn't even the variety of Cannabis Sativa that produces
cannabinol in sufficient amounts to obtain a "high"

even though it was reported that in the old days
Sailors were known to burn ends of the rope.

the quality of the OIL contained within the seed
however is perfect for making biofuel or a diesel
substitute and AMERICAN farmers would have a crop
to grow "to achieve energy independence overnight"

but the politicians can't seem to pull their collective
heads out of the sand or their ASS to see that.

not to mention that hemp fiber could completely
transform the clothing industry and has countless other
material applications...

BIG oil doesn't want hemp to be re-instated as a
viable resource.....because where as corn can supplement
their petroleum products...in the form of ethanol

the legalization of hemp
could essentially put them out of business.

keep on makin 1500 bucks per second you bastards :af:

Hemp has nothing to do with marijuana.

http://naihc.org/hemp_information/content/hemp.mj.html

reading that page

the main thing to note is
quote
Instead the DEA, unlike its predecessor, the Bureau of Narcotics, is aggressively trying to persuade
Americans that hemp and marijuana are identical plants. We can speculate about the reasons.
The results are widespread confusion and the inability of America's farmers and manufacturers to take
part in the worldwide resurgence of hemp cultivation and use.

Blame the REGAN's and or big oil companies lobbyists

also there is no mention anywhere that i saw, anything that would suggest that hemp seed
would be a good source of bio fuel... it was purely a distinction of
hemp has no THC
and cannabis sativa does...

For all intent and purpose marijuana has been decriminalized. At the most in court an offender gets a $50.00 or a $100.00 fine and it is dismissed. The only thing left to do to make it completely decriminalized is to put to form a citation that can be issued for mere possesion.

You know, all of the pro-pot sentiment here is just fine. Buy not everyone stays homes and eats twinkies and chips when high. Some people can't seems to stay out of the driver's seat and thats is what worries most people who don't smoke. There is no scientific way to determine what amount of marijuana use places someone who is actively smoking it while driving "under the influance." Any marijuana usage places the smoker "under the influance." And there is somewhat of an oxymoron involved here, which is, to smoke pot is to get high. So you get high before you get in the car and then travel say to a movie theatre or eatery to have dinner or watch a movie, or just go to and from the 7-11 to buy 12 bags of doritos. I don't know how that is any safer than drinking alcohol and driving. What is the difference?

Smoking marijuana isn't any different than smoking cigarettes. They both are carcinogens and cause cancer.

If you pull over a person with a bag of pot, don't they get arrested, get their name in the paper, and get their car towed?

The smoking part is the bad thing about it. Any type of smoking is bad for you.

But, did you know, that by town ordinance in Provincetown ( of course) it's legal to possess an oz. or less? Course the state laws supersede it.

I heard they enacted that law because people there enjoyed a body cavity search.

You know, all of the pro-pot sentiment here is just fine. Buy not everyone stays homes and eats twinkies and chips when high. Some people can't seems to stay out of the driver's seat and thats is what worries most people who don't smoke. There is no scientific way to determine what amount of marijuana use places someone who is actively smoking it while driving "under the influance." Any marijuana usage places the smoker "under the influance." And there is somewhat of an oxymoron involved here, which is, to smoke pot is to get high. So you get high before you get in the car and then travel say to a movie theatre or eatery to have dinner or watch a movie, or just go to and from the 7-11 to buy 12 bags of doritos. I don't know how that is any safer than drinking alcohol and driving. What is the difference?

Smoking marijuana isn't any different than smoking cigarettes. They both are carcinogens and cause cancer.

nobody is saying to legalize stoned driving. you can have legal pot and still have dui laws. just like we have leagal booze and dui laws.

The only thing left to do to make it completely decriminalized is to put to form a citation that can be issued for mere possesion.

that would not make it completely decriminalized. no, the only thing left to do is to legalize it, tax it, and sell it in stores to people over 21.

Smoking marijuana isn't any different than smoking cigarettes. They both are carcinogens and cause cancer.

YES, THERE IS A LARGE DIFFERENCE
nicotinic acid is the only bug pesticide that will kill
the cotton destroying big bo weval lol Hi big bo :wave:

that being that cigarettes contain Nicotine and about
90 other chemicals used to make tobacco taste better,
smoke smoother.... and all that baloney

where as weed has NO nicotine ...in it...
it does contain tar...
the only plant containing nicotine is tobacco period

i won't argue about the fact that
smoking is bad for human lungs
because after all as i have said previously
what is smoke...? but super fine dust...
dust clogs lung tissue... no question about it.

It will be great when it's legal for the firefighter, EMT, truck driver or anyone else to get stoned the morning before showing up for work and it's all legal. It's going to be great when your kid is smoking pot on the deck all the time and it's all legal. I see the brilliant group that shows up for the legalize pot rallies now. Ya' it's going to be a much better America once we can all get high. I can hardly wait to hire some pot heads. Production should go through the roof.

where are you living? everybody that wants to get stoned is already getting stoned.

and i'm not sure how legalizing pot would make it legal for emt, truck driver, etc.. to go to work stoned.

It will be great when it's legal for the firefighter, EMT, truck driver or anyone else to get stoned the morning before showing up for work and it's all legal.

They shouldn't be going to work Drunk....or stoned. Legal or not.

And its illegal to operate a motor vehicle while impaired...whether its on a legal substance or an illegal substance.

It's going to be great when your kid is smoking pot on the deck all the time and it's all legal.

If that happens then its my fault as a parent for not making sure he knows what substance abuse is about...whether it be a legal substances or not....I'd feel the same if he were just sitting around s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g down a case of bud every day.

Ya' it's going to be a much better America once we can all get high.

Ummmm, in case you haven't noticed we pretty much already can....if we so choose to. The key is to make the choice NOT to....at least when we go to work, or drive our cars.

I can hardly wait to hire some pot heads. Production should go through the roof.

OK to hire drunks then I guess.....no stigma there :rollem:


any substance, whether it be legal, illegal, or prescription will be abused if a person so chooses to. Hell, we have to put sudafed behind the counter nowadays and get carded when we buy spray paint.

People have been trying to alter their reality one way or another since the dawn of man, why weed is so evil for us but drinking a case of bud light should get me laid (It's true isn't it, that's what the advertisers tell me at least) is the most hypocritcal reasoning I have ever heard.

It will be great when it's legal for the firefighter, EMT, truck driver or anyone else to get stoned the morning before showing up for work and it's all legal.

Ever heard of a safety meeting? :hihi:

And truck drivers?
You mean speed/meth junkies?

Is there any way for a police officer to know how much pot someone has smoked (or whether they have smoked at all) before the person got behind the wheel? With alcohol, they can do a breathalizer. Also, some people may smoke a small amount and be perfectly fine, but they smell like Cheech Marin. How do you decide if they are "too stoned" to operate a vehicle?

thats right your all wrong. how many peaple have been killed by a stoned driver . or beat his girl friend up high on pot.. 0 its a joke ...tax it and sell it like booze... revise woodstock .problem is to many anti smokers....:cens::cens::cens:


I had one the other night. She wouldn't give him money from the food funds to go buy a bag so he beat her. Don't tell me guys and gals don't get cranky while high.

If you pull over a person with a bag of pot, don't they get arrested, get their name in the paper, and get their car towed?


No sometimes they get what they have on them confiscated and summons into court.

well said TDF

nobody is saying to legalize stoned driving. you can have legal pot and still have dui laws. just like we have leagal booze and dui laws.

Really what you are saying is stoned driving would be legal. Who says how many bones is under the influance or not. Once any effect of the marijuana takes hold your toast. Your argument for legalization is, (any word I use here is going to be insulting so I am not saying anything), insert your own word.
There would have to be a scientific standard, such as what is found in DUI cases, (.08 or higher is considered under the influence), in place before hand, as a baseline, prior to becoming legalized. I can see the only people who would make anything out of legalization would again, be the attorneys.


that would not make it completely decriminalized. no, the only thing left to do is to legalize it, tax it, and sell it in stores to people over 21...

I don't know about putting it up there next to the Marlboros - just don't cite or bust people for it. If people want to grow some - I don't see a problem with that either.
If people smoke pot and become unproductive, fire them. Then there will be greater opportunities for people who make better lifestyle choices.
We should be able reduce the size of the DEA, Coast Guard, and law enforcement overall.
Greater personal responsibilty and smaller government.

Is there any way for a police officer to know how much pot someone has smoked (or whether they have smoked at all) before the person got behind the wheel? With alcohol, they can do a breathalizer. Also, some people may smoke a small amount and be perfectly fine, but they smell like Cheech Marin. How do you decide if they are "too stoned" to operate a vehicle?

Good question? I'm sure we will have a good answer from the pro-drug side. They have all the answers.

Good question? I'm sure we will have a good answer from the pro-drug side. They have all the answers.

The test would be to sing Iron Butterfly's Inagoda Divida.. the better you do it..

Unfortunately - in the age of systemic policy failure - you get to a point where you don't need answers.
Just a promise of change will suffice.

where are you living? everybody that wants to get stoned is already getting stoned.

Well put Zacs. People are going to do it anyway's I'm not sure putting it in stores will really help "society" that much.

I actually spent some time where it was legal. Amsterdam in 2002. I could honestly careless about what people do on there own but I'll admit didn't like seeing it legal and promoted. I didn't like seeing the Prostitution out and about either by the way.

If I walk by 10 guys pounding beers or walk by 10 guys passing around a splif I think the later would be less likely to act like a bunch of as&$&LE IMO.

where are you living? everybody that wants to get stoned is already getting stoned.



I'm not....:(

I'm not....:(

keep it that way.. otherwise you will be voting for obama :hihi:

next stop...Psilocybin mushrooms

next stop...Psilocybin mushrooms

"Today pot, tomorrow heroin!"

Seriously, give it a rest.
Its apples and oranges.

Gonna quote Reefer Madness next?

"Today pot, tomorrow heroin!"

Seriously, give it a rest.
Its apples and oranges.

Gonna quote Reefer Madness next?

I was being sarcastic...

...and as far as mushroom mtn is concerned, its natures finest psychotherapy, but be forewarned for this distinctive form of therapy is not for everybody. Really puts those cliche aphorisms like seeing is believing to the test.

I was being sarcastic...

My bad then.

Really puts those cliche aphorisms like seeing is believing to the test.

DON'T WATCH PEARL HARBOR
I REPEAT.
DO NOT WATCH IT.
Towards the end they're on the carrier deck and the ocean is amazingly technicolor blue.

I repeat.
Technicolor bluuuuuuuue. :spin:

next stop...Psilocybin mushrooms


Spiritual Effects of Hallucinogens Persist, Johns Hopkins Researchers Report




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In a follow-up to research showing that psilocybin, a substance
contained in "sacred mushrooms," produces substantial spiritual
effects, a Johns Hopkins team reports that those beneficial effects
appear to last more than a year.

Writing in the Journal of Psychopharmacology, the Johns Hopkins
researchers note that most of the 36 volunteer subjects given
psilocybin, under controlled conditions in a Hopkins study published
in 2006, continued to say 14 months later that the experience
increased their sense of well-being or life satisfaction.

"Most of the volunteers looked back on their experience up to 14
months later and rated it as the most, or one of the five most,
personally meaningful and spiritually significant of their lives,"
says lead investigator Roland Griffiths, Ph.D., a professor in the
Johns Hopkins departments of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences and
Neuroscience.

In a related paper, also published in the Journal of
Psychopharmacology, researchers offer recommendations for conducting
this type of research.

The guidelines caution against giving hallucinogens to people at risk
for psychosis or certain other serious mental disorders. Detailed
guidance is also provided for preparing participants and providing
psychological support during and after the hallucinogen experience.
These "best practices" contribute both to safety and to the
standardization called for in human research.

"With appropriately screened and prepared individuals, under
supportive conditions and with adequate supervision, hallucinogens
can be given with a level of safety that compares favorably with many
human research and medical procedures," says that paper's lead
author, Mathew W. Johnson, Ph.D., a psychopharmacologist and
instructor in the Johns Hopkins Department of Psychiatry and
Behavioral Sciences.

The two reports follow a 2006 study published in another journal,
Psychopharmacology, in which 60 percent of a group of 36 healthy,
well-educated volunteers with active spiritual lives reported having
a "full mystical experience" after taking psilocybin. {See
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/Press_releases/2006/07_11_06.html }

Psilocybin, a plant alkaloid, exerts its influence on some of the
same brain receptors that respond to the neurotransmitter serotonin.
Mushrooms containing psilocybin have been used in some cultures for
hundreds of years or more for religious, divinatory and healing purposes.

Fourteen months later, Griffiths re-administered the questionnaires
used in the first study -- along with a specially designed set of
follow-up questions -- to all 36 subjects. Results showed that about
the same proportion of the volunteers ranked their experience in the
study as the single most, or one of the five most, personally
meaningful or spiritually significant events of their lives and
regarded it as having increased their sense of well-being or life satisfaction.

"This is a truly remarkable finding," Griffiths says. "Rarely in
psychological research do we see such persistently positive reports
from a single event in the laboratory. This gives credence to the
claims that the mystical-type experiences some people have during
hallucinogen sessions may help patients suffering from cancer-related
anxiety or depression and may serve as a potential treatment for drug
dependence. We're eager to move ahead with that research."

Griffiths also notes that, "while some of our subjects reported
strong fear or anxiety for a portion of their day-long psilocybin
sessions, none reported any lingering harmful effects, and we didn't
observe any clinical evidence of harm."

The research team cautions that if hallucinogens are used in less
well-supervised settings, the possible fear or anxiety responses
could lead to harmful behaviors.

These studies were funded by grants from NIDA, the Council on
Spiritual Practices, and the Heffter Research Institute.

Additional researchers who contributed to this work include Matthew
W. Johnson, Ph.D. and Una D. McCann, M.D. of the Department of
Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, Johns Hopkins University School
of Medicine; psychologist William A. Richards of the Johns Hopkins
Bayview Medical Center; and Robert Jesse of the Council on Spiritual
Practices, San Francisco.

OOOOOPS::

I heard that the scouts in Massachusetts @ camp when tending the gardens >ARE really caring for the {GRASS}

&& at crafts class they are learning the art of different forms of rolling paper & the craft that comes with it ...:wavey::angel:

:smokin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2VH0flL1RM

Burnout chicks have improved!

Nicole doesn't look like a stoner chick. No munchies for her. Get that girl a pizza.

For the winner, I'll take Kimberley.

i have always loved hippie chicks. :heybaby:

i have always loved hippie chicks. :heybaby:

:hihi: