Out of wedlock too!

Palin confirms daughter's pregnancy

By Steve Holland
Monday, 1 September 2008

The Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin has announced that her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, in an announcement intended to knock down rumors by liberal bloggers that Palin faked her own pregnancy to cover up for her child.


Bristol Palin, one of Palin's five children with her husband, Todd, is about five months pregnant and is going to keep the child and marry the father, the Palins said in a statement released by the campaign of Republican presidential candidate John McCain.

Bristol Palin made the decision on her own to keep the baby, McCain aides said.

"We have been blessed with five wonderful children who we love with all our heart and mean everything to us," the Palins' statement said.

"Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. As Bristol faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows she has our unconditional love and support," the Palins said.

The Palins asked the news media to respect the young couple's privacy.

"Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family. We ask the media, respect our daughter and Levi's privacy as has always been the tradition of children of candidates," the statement concluded.

Senior McCain campaign officials said McCain knew of the daughter's pregnancy when he selected Palin last week as his vice presidential running mate, deciding that it did not disqualify the 44-year-old governor in any way.

In the short period since she was announced last Friday, Palin has helped to energize the Republican Party's conservative base, giving the McCain camp fresh energy going into the campaign for the November 4th election against Democrat Barack Obama.

McCain officials said the news of the daughter's pregnancy was being released to rebut what one aide called "mud-slinging and lies" circulating on liberal blog sites.

According to these rumors, Sarah Palin had faked a pregnancy and pretended to have given birth in May to her fifth child, a son named Trig who has Down syndrome. The rumor was that Trig was actually Bristol Palin's child and that Sarah Palin was the grandmother.

A senior McCain campaign official said the McCain camp was appalled that these rumors had not only been spread around liberal blog sites and partisan Democrats, but also were the subject of heightened interest from mainstream news media.

"The despicable rumors that have been spread by liberal blogs, some even with Barack Obama's name in them, is a real anchor around the Democratic ticket, pulling them down in the mud in a way that certainly juxtaposes themselves against their 'campaign of change,'" a senior aide said.


Abstinence only eh? Seems to have worked FANTASTIC.

Abstinence of oversight in the family, I wonder if they are related to the Spears or any other trailerpark trash

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
(or said another way)
Judge not, lest ye be judged.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
(or said another way)
Judge not, lest ye be judged.

Thats for sure. Sounds like the Dems are afraid:laughs:

Come on, picking on a kid.....that is low:hs:

You Obama people keep drinkng the kool-aid:gu:

I am not voting for any of the candidates children......so who cares?! It is low to start dragging this stuff out on their children! Are any of you in 100% control of your children at all times???

Thats for sure. Sounds like the Dems are afraid:laughs:

Come on, picking on a kid.....that is low:hs:

You Obama people keep drinkng the kool-aid:gu:

Afraid?
Wow, she accepted the VP with her family in this current state.
She put her CAREER above her family.
Wonder what she'll do to the country.

You folks do realize that these candidates are people......just like us......with the same life problems that we have! They are no better and no worse. I am guessing given her Governorship that her husband is taking care of the family duties for the most part.

yea but it's just fun to rag on them larry :devil2: :jump:

You folks do realize that these candidates are people......just like us......with the same life problems that we have! They are no better and no worse. I am guessing given her Governorship that her husband is taking care of the family duties for the most part.

You folks do realize that these candidates are people......just like us......with the same life problems that we have! They are no better and no worse. I am guessing given her Governorship that her husband is taking care of the family duties for the most part.

Yep, and they take time off from their jobs to deal with their "life problems" not preach.

:buds:Afraid?
Wow, she accepted the VP with her family in this current state.
She put her CAREER above her family.
Wonder what she'll do to the country.

Yes I think a lot of Obamas staff are afraid of him losing. Like I said yesterday; the mud slinging will be heavy.

And on her accepting the nod as VP candidate; Its not like she can put time on hold. Life throws people curve balls. I feel she will overcome these things.

Like Larry said; How many parents have total contol over their kids??? Alaska is 14:1 in male to female ratio. She has most likely had a bunch of young males chasing her....


Just keep drinking the Kool-Aid:buds:

How is this picking on the kid? Sounds more like picking on the mother...

-spence

'Tis merely part of being human. People have people. It's not funny, it's not sad. And It should be a happy thing.
I'll throw no stones at the human condition.
Of all the reasons that I could think of, this is not even close to why I will not vote Rebublican ever again.

There's kool-aide?

Alaska is 14:1 in male to female ratio.

One of the biggest meth states, and has one of the highest alcoholism rates.

Lets not forget an extremely high divorce rate, suicide rate, and general effing boredom rate.

(Yeah I threw that last one in there...)

I'd bet half those glamorous crews on The Deadliest Catch were meth heads. Not like we need to go far to find more like them.

Can we atleast lay off the kid here for the most part and get back to the fact that mommy is one of the biggest proponents of "abstinence only" education and AGAINST all other forms of birth control?

One of the biggest meth states, and has one of the highest alcoholism rates.

Lets not forget an extremely high divorce rate, suicide rate, and general effing boredom rate.

(Yeah I threw that last one in there...)

I'd bet half those glamorous crews on The Deadliest Catch were meth heads. Not like we need to go far to find more like them.

Can we atleast lay off the kid here for the most part and get back to the fact that mommy is one of the biggest proponents of "abstinence only" education and AGAINST all other forms of birth control?

I agree. They should lay off the kids (on both sides). The kids aren't running for office. So why did the DEMS bring it up ? Are they afraid of "Barracuda" ?:jester:

I agree. They should lay off the kids (on both sides). The kids aren't running for office. So why did the DEMS bring it up ? Are they afraid of "Barracuda" ?:jester:

Seems this story was broken by Palin herself.
Not the dems.

The Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin has announced that her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant

And bloggers will be bloggers, they don't need the party itself to feed it info. Plenty of people on the right HATE Palin.

I heard she was goin in the plug business

I heard she was goin in the plug business

mucus plug? :yak:

Why can't one campaign get caught breaking into the other campaign headquarters like the good old days. A couple of felonies later and everyone is looking for someone named deepthroat, not Linda Lovelace, to skewer. This stuff is awful mamby pamby from both sides. C'mon let the air out of someone's tires at least.

I love you nebe :rotf2:

mucus plug? :yak:

Why can't one campaign get caught breaking into the other campaign headquarters like the good old days. A couple of felonies later and everyone is looking for someone named deepthroat, not Linda Lovelace, to skewer. This stuff is awful mamby pamby from both sides. C'mon let the air out of someone's tires at least.

Its all that rap music and video games.

Ya know what burns me.. How can a woman be expected to be a role model of the platform of her political party when she cant be a role model for her daughter?? If you ask me Most republican politicians who are the loudest about living their lives to the highest morals are usually the ones who have all the skeletons in the closet...

Eben....is that a stone being cast from your....glass house? (No pun intended):hee:

Afraid?
Wow, she accepted the VP with her family in this current state.
She put her CAREER above her family.
Wonder what she'll do to the country.

I believe she would consider it serving her country. Most families don't have the ability to quit their jobs to take care of family matters. I would think that she is the bread winner in the family.

I doubt they will choose abortion as a quick way of dealing with irresponsability.

And I thought you're pro-drug. Oh ya, just pot:rotf2:

Least she admitted inhaling :hee:

Eben....is that a stone being cast from your....glass house? (No pun intended):hee:

Nope..

And furthermore, the whole idea of the shotgun marriage of her daughter to the father of the kid is a recipe for disaster.. When the daughter does have the kid in a few months, how is Palin expected to preform as VP when she has a 17 year old kid with a newborn??????

sorry McCain.. you loose on this one.. Your choice has too much baggage.

I love you nebe :rotf2:

I luv you 2 sweatphart... or is it sweetphart?? maybe its the same thing?/??? :fury::love:

I'm thinking they can get a nanny. It's a big house and they will have the staff to help out.

I doubt they will choose abortion as a quick way of dealing with irresponsability.

And how's it gonna look on her ABSTINENCE ONLY sex ed program?

And I thought you're pro-drug. Oh ya, just pot:rotf2:

Nah, just anti-retarded-laws-that-make-no-sense.

Seems this story was broken by Palin herself.
Not the dems.

The Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin has announced that her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant

And bloggers will be bloggers, they don't need the party itself to feed it info. Plenty of people on the right HATE Palin.

True, She did break it. After the stuff about her son being her grandson.....

This a fishing board and it gets deep. I can only imagine it gets really deep on a Obama for President board.:rolleyes:

Have some more Kool Aid and welcome Obama s socialism platform.....

Have some more Kool Aid and welcome Obama s socialism platform.....

Kool Aid is so 1978.
Can we come up with some new substance already?

Have some more Kool Aid and welcome Obama s socialism platform.....

what did you rely on the last time you fell off a platform?

what did you rely on the last time you fell off a platform?



LOL, MedFlite actually:tm:

:laugha: well you know what I mean.. Insurance is a form of socialism.

I was watching CNN. It's killing Blizer to have to cover the RNC. He wants to make the17 year old kid today's top story. It's actually kind off comical if you watch him.

How can any liberal have an issue with her pregnancy?

How can any liberal have an issue with her pregnancy?

Because it is something to poke in her "squeaky clean" demeanor.

They are grasping at straws.

Because it is something to poke in her "squeaky clean" demeanor.

They are grasping at straws.

Shouldn't the right be freaking out since its sex before marriage?

Religious Right indeed. :rotf2:

How can any liberal have an issue with her pregnancy?

Its the 'ethics'.. You know the saying practice what you preach?

It would be like a great bass fisherman like my self fishing for choggies.... :hihi:

McCain knew about this pregnancy before they asked her to be VP.
The liberal media and blogs will have a field day.
But Obama and Biden need to be very careful on how they handle commenting on this. To me, it looks like it could be a trap.
Or, the RNC was adamantly against her selection and this is another example of McCain being his own man.
I don't see her as being as good a selection as she was four days ago.

Obama has said all he right things about this situation. I give him credit. He also admitted that his mother was only 18 when he was born.

Shouldn't the right be freaking out since its sex before marriage?

Religious Right indeed. :rotf2:

The religeous right is more tolerant then you give them credit. They will welcome her daughters decision and commend the young man for taking responsability.

The religeous right is more tolerant then you give them credit. They will welcome her daughters decision and commend the young man for taking responsability.

Yet the religious right went out of their freaking minds about Gloucester.

You can't have it both ways.

You should be out of your freaking mind about Gloucester.

You should be out of your freaking mind about Gloucester.

Wow, is this what you've degraded to? C'mon man, come up with a reasonable response.
And they're not my kids. Its not my problem.

funny how alot of you are stating that its nobody's business but her and her family's and why are the Dems bringing this out and the liberal media yada yada yada

I thought the same thing about a certain president getting a hummer from a certain intern....didn't think it was anybody's business but his and his wife's....but that got slung across the news for weeks on end.

This is the reason you will NEVER have a good presidential candidate again...no one with any common sense would put themselves and their families through this

funny how alot of you are stating that its nobody's business but her and her family's and why are the Dems bringing this out and the liberal media yada yada yada

I thought the same thing about a certain president getting a hummer from a certain intern....didn't think it was anybody's business but his and his wife's....but that got slung across the news for weeks on end.

This is the reason you will NEVER have a good presidential candidate again...no one with any common sense would put themselves and their families through this

It is when the hummer becomes a distraction for a nation and a risk to national security taht makes it news. I think at the time we could have had Osama from Sudan. And what the President does in the White House (and the judgement it showed) and what a 17 year old kid in Alaska does, is not quite the same. I wonder if any of the canadates or their immediate family, had unprotected sex before they were 18. Besides Obama's Mama.

Wow, is this what you've degraded to? C'mon man, come up with a reasonable response.
And they're not my kids. Its not my problem.


Spoken like a true Liberal. Their the goverments problem:bshake:

Spoken like a true Liberal. Their the goverments problem:bshake:

No, they're the parents problem since they're minors.
Jesus, have some personal responsibility.

This sadly cracks me up.

As I sit on the fence that runs between Dems and 'Pubs I see vast seas of people on both sides launching arrows, mooning each other, spit balls and reading talking points from the Scritpers on both sides. I realize a few things:

I love America

I wish we would grow the bleep up.

OK, 'nuff said, back to our regularly scheduled program; "Is Palin's unborn grandchild really a surrogate son? Tune into CNN at 9 for the latest. Afterward, Larry King interviews the Personal Trainer for the Uncle of the next President (pending elections), Barry Obama with leaking news that VP candidate of the loosing party (pending elections) Sarah Palin is actually a cousin to President (pending elections), Barry Obama, several generations removed..."

FOX News will be next

It is when the hummer becomes a distraction for a nation and a risk to national security taht makes it news.

It only became a distraction because certain individuals spent millions of dollars trying to prove it instead of just saying "Yikes, I'd hate to be him when Hillary finds out" and moving on.

personally I think that it has nothing to do with Liberals vesus Wingers....its just one group of childish a-holes trying to make another group of childish a-holes look bad. They're like a bunch of Prep-school cheerleaders.

They ALL play the same crap and its pretty friggin disheartening.



....and a risk to national security, give me a break, what, was there microfilm hidden in that cigar.

Is this the best our country can do, on both sides... its depressing

Is this the best our country can do, on both sides... its depressing

Please return your basket to its upright and locked position.

I think Obama handled it the right way. The media pounced, on both sides, and it wasn't right.

What it does raise, is any middle of the road people with mixed feelings or no opinion on abortion, is that if McCain/Palin is elected and appoint the judges they want, then another parent or child in the same situation as Palin's daughter will have less options down the road. I'm not for abortion as birth control, but the choice and option should be there. Not every 17y/o is ready for kids and marriage!

Its the 'ethics'.. You know the saying practice what you preach?

It would be like a great bass fisherman like my self fishing for choggies.... :hihi:

you guys confuse the religious right with the repub party. Thats like saying the pink army (or whatever those berkely cooks are) are representative of the Dems.
How is this an ethical issue? Who lied about it? How do you know what her parents preached? The daughter is old enough for the age of consent, made her decision and now has to live with it. What I preach is ACCOUNTABILITY, don't make me pay for the support of that child.

So it looks like we have a woman with a bunch of kids, one on the way to Iraq, one with Down Syndrome, one pregnant. Sounds like you cant find someone more in touch with America than that!

It only became a distraction because certain individuals spent millions of dollars trying to prove it instead of just saying "Yikes, I'd hate to be him when Hillary finds out" and moving on.

personally I think that it has nothing to do with Liberals vesus Wingers....its just one group of childish a-holes trying to make another group of childish a-holes look bad. They're like a bunch of Prep-school cheerleaders.

They ALL play the same crap and its pretty friggin disheartening.


....and a risk to national security, give me a break, what, was there microfilm hidden in that cigar.

I can care less, but he lied under oath in a case against him by another woman he was banging. That I have an issue with as a President and a lawyer.

Of course, Bristol Palin is not the first vice-presidential child to be pregnant out of wedlock. That honor goes to Mary Cheney. (Perhaps this is something the GOP vetting committee looks for?)

But at least Bristol is allowed to get married!!

Actually from a strategy perspective, looks like this may have been a brillinat choice by McCain
ST. PAUL, Minnesota (CNN) -- Key evangelical leaders rallied to Sarah Palin's support Monday amid news that her 17-year-old daughter, Bristol, was having a child.


Sarah Palin confirmed Monday that her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant.

"Before, they were excited about her, with the Down syndrome baby," conservative, anti-tax activist Grover Norquist said. "But now with this, they are over the moon. It reinforces the fact that this family lives its pro-life values."

"Before, they were excited about her, with the Down syndrome baby," conservative, anti-tax activist Grover Norquist said. "But now with this, they are over the moon. It reinforces the fact that this family lives its pro-life values."

And completely ignore her ABSTINENCE ONLY stance that she is ADAMANT about.

Worked great for her family!

Those evangelicals all come from that uptight town in Footloose.

This would be a non issue with most liberals. They would have aborted this baby long ago.

um... no.

This would be a non issue with most liberals. They would have aborted this baby long ago.

According to who?

um... no.

agreed, no.

They would have the baby, blame society for their problem, go on welfare and then have more children with different fathers. :angel:

agreed, no.

They would have the baby, blame society for their problem, go on welfare and then have more children with different fathers. :angel:

Good to see people here are no better than those on 'that other site'.

what other site?
You are constantly poking at the extreme of the right wing, can't take a little of it back?

Is she pretty:love:

what other site?
You are constantly poking at the extreme of the right wing, can't take a little of it back?

Oh I can take it, its just getting tiring.

I can care less, but he lied under oath in a case against him by another woman he was banging. That I have an issue with as a President and a lawyer.

Come on. Lying in a deposition? As a lawyer you should know better. When was the last time you remember anyone being prosecuted for perjury arising out of a deposition in a civil lawsuit? I'm no big fan of Slick Willie, but to waste all that money on a political show trial, where the outcome was a foregone conclusion, was more of a crime than what Cigar Boy did. The GOP knew that there was no way in hell that 2/3rds of the Senate would ever vote to convict and remove him from office. But they went ahead tilting at windmills--why? To damage a lame duck President who was within 2 years of the end of his term? Wasn't McCain one of the few Republicans who voted to acquit, after all?

"The adversarial system rests on the naive assumption that out of the battle of lies, the truth will somehow emerge". Not my quote, but it sums it up pretty well.

Kool Aid is so 1978.
Can we come up with some new substance already?

Absinth (?) would be a good start.

What I love is that the comparisons are being made between her as VP, and Obama as President.
I heard an analogy that made me laugh, regarding this type of comapring and debating:
"I'll let you sprain my 2nd string quarterback's throwing are if I can do the same to your starting quarterback."
As for her being the breadwinner, I believe she and her husband started their own fishing business before she went into politics.
We don't need to rehash the "experience" angle any further, do we?

Come on. Lying in a deposition? As a lawyer you should know better. When was the last time you remember anyone being prosecuted for perjury arising out of a deposition in a civil lawsuit? I'm no big fan of Slick Willie, but to waste all that money on a political show trial, where the outcome was a foregone conclusion, was more of a crime than what Cigar Boy did. The GOP knew that there was no way in hell that 2/3rds of the Senate would ever vote to convict and remove him from office. But they went ahead tilting at windmills--why? To damage a lame duck President who was within 2 years of the end of his term? Wasn't McCain one of the few Republicans who voted to acquit, after all?

"The adversarial system rests on the naive assumption that out of the battle of lies, the truth will somehow emerge". Not my quote, but it sums it up pretty well.


Mike - sorry, I meant Clinton as lawyer, I am not a lawyer.

Absinth (?) would be a good start.


Very late 80's goth. Sparks maybe.

What I love is that the comparisons are being made between her as VP, and Obama as President.
I heard an analogy that made me laugh, regarding this type of comapring and debating:
"I'll let you sprain my 2nd string quarterback's throwing are if I can do the same to your starting quarterback."
As for her being the breadwinner, I believe she and her husband started their own fishing business before she went into politics.
We don't need to rehash the "experience" angle any further, do we?

No, they didn't start their own fishing business.
Its her husband's family's boats.

Seriously the speculation about that is out of control and she's got Bristol Bay in her crosshairs to SCREW UP.

Oh I can take it, its just getting tiring.

I wish you could step back and see how you and Nebe look.

I wish you could step back and see how you and Nebe look.

You first.

ok, I'll play nice...

I just read this - "Palin Supported Penalties for Using Skateboards on Public or Private Property in Wasilla."

Ouch, that will piss off abut 45% of Obama's supporters :laugha::laugha::laugha:

Ouch, that will piss off abut 45% of Obama's supporters :laugha::laugha::laugha:

46% now
I urban freeride.
Yes, mtn bike built for it, disc brakes, partial body armor and full face helmet.

Concrete effing hurts.

Private property, thats fine with me. But banning it from public property when responsible/there at off hours, thats crap.

agreed, no.

They would have the baby, blame society for their problem, go on welfare and then have more children with different fathers. :angel:

Sounds like one of my in-laws. She is no liberal, but she is from Brockton.

I wish you could step back and see how you and Nebe look.

remember that about 60% of what I post is serious..
oh look a chicken!

True. Welfare recipients are largely apolitical as a voting block, though they characterize themselves as democrats - they tend not to show up on election day.
The "Liberal Elite" and the "East Coast Establishment" are not on welfare - they have education, jobs and their fingers on the buttons of most of our institutions - otherwise they would not be elite or part of the establishment.
Not all democrats are liberals. Just like not all conservatives are evangelicals.

Thats for sure. Sounds like the Dems are afraid:laughs:

Come on, picking on a kid.....that is low:hs:

You Obama people keep drinkng the kool-aid:gu:


Kool-aid ???
Maybe they are smoking from the same crack pipe Obama used !!!

Kool-aid ???
Maybe they are smoking from the same crack pipe Obama used !!!


That's just a little needling. Jim Jones got over 900 people to commit suicide in Jonestown approx 30 years ago. His followers believed him to be a prophet or messiah.

I see some of Obama's followers thinking like Jones "flock".

That's just a little needling. Jim Jones got over 900 people to commit suicide in Jonestown approx 30 years ago. His followers believed him to be a prophet or messiah.

I see some of Obama's followers thinking like Jones "flock".

That would rely on there being no separation of church and state which is something the right preaches. :lurk:

It amazes me the number of union/ex-union people who are supporting a vehemently anti-union party.

That would rely on there being no separation of church and state which is something the right preaches. :lurk:

It amazes me the number of union/ex-union people who are supporting a vehemently anti-union party.

Like I said before I am not registered Dem or Rep. I don't believe in falling in line and following a particular party. But Obama is out of his mind with some of the things he wants. I don't want socialism and would like to keep my guns. Obama strikes out in 2 areas so he doesn't get my vote.

Like I said before I am not registered Dem or Rep. I don't believe in falling in line and following a particular party. But Obama is out of his mind with some of the things he wants. I don't want socialism and would like to keep my guns. Obama strikes out in 2 areas so he doesn't get my vote.

Mac, I think you're a nice guy, you love fishing, I love fishing, we've had a great time BS'ing away, but for christ sake do some fact checking.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008_Politico.htm

Q: You said recently, "I have no intention of taking away folks' guns." But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you've said that it's constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?

A: Because I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I think it's important for us to recognize that we've got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the Second Amendment and people's traditions.

Now will you PLEASE stop preaching on the whole gun thing? Its a BS fabrication by the Michigan Militia wackjobs and the conservatives to scare you. Its politics.

HE is not going to take away your guns. Your TOWN will. And given where you live I really REALLY doubt that will happen.

And socialism? YOU LIVE IN THE PEOPLE'S COMMONWEALTH! HEALTH CARE IS MANDATORY! SOCIALIST PROGRAM!

Mac, I think you're a nice guy, you love fishing, I love fishing, we've had a great time BS'ing away, but for christ sake do some fact checking.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008_Politico.htm

Q: You said recently, "I have no intention of taking away folks' guns." But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you've said that it's constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?

A: Because I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I think it's important for us to recognize that we've got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the Second Amendment and people's traditions.

Now will you PLEASE stop preaching on the whole gun thing? Its a BS fabrication by the Michigan Militia wackjobs and the conservatives to scare you. Its politics.

HE is not going to take away your guns. Your TOWN will. And given where you live I really REALLY doubt that will happen.

And socialism? YOU LIVE IN THE PEOPLE'S COMMONWEALTH! HEALTH CARE IS MANDATORY! SOCIALIST PROGRAM!

Actually it isn't about the michigan militia. Obama has stated no one should be allowed to carry concealed. He wants to pass this as a federal law. Right now it is up to each individual state to decide. Not the whim of 1 man...

He wants to ban the manufacture, sale and posession of handguns.

Ban certain forms of ammunition used in hunting and sport shooting.

Increase federal taxes on weapons and ammunition by 500%. Thus making it to expensive for the "common man"

Expand the Clinton semi-auto ban (AWB) to include semi auto handguns and any weapon capable of holding over 5 rounds.

mandate a government license to purchase a firearm.

He is for micro stamping ammunition. (which is proven to not work)

Restore voting rights to a few million criminals who were convicted of using a gun to commit a violent crime.

Ban the use of firearms for home defense. (Illinois is like that now) CCW permits are non existant.

He also wants to appoint toSupreme Court, justices who think like he does.



Heller was just tried by the Supreme Court . The justices affirmed that 2A is an individual right. If Obama gets in he can appoint new justices and try to overturn the Heller decision.


I have news for ya. Creating new gun laws will not solve anything. States need to start enforcing the ones on the books now. There is an old adage that is very true; IF GUNS ARE OUTLAWED, ONLY OUTLAWS WILL HAVE GUNS.




And socialism, REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH is one of the main things in this flawed government system. Where will he stop after taking profits from the oil companies ? maybe your 401K ???

He wants to ban the manufacture, sale and posession of handguns.
Ban certain forms of ammunition used in hunting and sport shooting.
Increase federal taxes on weapons and ammunition by 500%. Thus making it to expensive for the "common man"
Expand the Clinton semi-auto ban (AWB) to include semi auto handguns and any weapon capable of holding over 5 rounds.
mandate a government license to purchase a firearm.
He is for micro stamping ammunition. (which is proven to not work)
Restore voting rights to a few million criminals who were convicted of using a gun to commit a violent crime.
Ban the use of firearms for home defense. (Illinois is like that now) CCW permits are non existant.
He also wants to appoint to Supreme Court, justices who think like he does.

According to who? Where is all this coming from? The NRA? Do they back any of this up with solid facts and quotes? Of course not! That wouldn't be seedy!
C'mon man, I just cited a direct quote of what he said. Back up your claims.

Heller was just tried by the Supreme Court . The justices affirmed that 2A is an individual right. If Obama gets in he can appoint new justices and try to overturn the Heller decision.

I think there's WAY bigger things to fight right now than Heller, and he knows that.

I have news for ya. Creating new gun laws will not solve anything. States need to start enforcing the ones on the books now. There is an old adage that is very true; IF GUNS ARE OUTLAWED, ONLY OUTLAWS WILL HAVE GUNS.

The adage is a lie, only those with connections will have guns, not outlaws. Look what happened to them in the wild west, they got dead.

And socialism, REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH is one of the main things in this flawed government system. Where will he stop after taking profits from the oil companies ? maybe your 401K ???

You have a problem with him going after OPEC? That shocks me.

Social Security is already a wreck, hell, might as well screw up 401k's.

Take a long look at your avatar, McCain would love to see that burn.

My reality is this, we're screwed right now. Right wing presidents aren't doing it. We're in an epic debt. I'm looking forward, not at now.

The same things were said about Clinton as far as guns yet nothing ever actually happened, he didn't take away your guns, he passed a bunk republican created bill that made all the anti-gun people feel better about themselves and life went on as normal.

I'm tired of the same war monger idiots running the show. I don't want to think of more of this crap starting up and my friends or family or eventual children having to be drafted. I don't want to see people in office who couldn't give a damn about the environment and would rather pander to some multinational mining company than save the people they claim to have as 'family'.

2 more grunts died and 3 more were injured the other day. For what?

There comes a point where enough is enough.

I'm tired of the same war monger idiots running the show. I don't want to think of more of this crap starting up and my friends or family or eventual children having to be drafted. I don't want to see people in office who couldn't give a damn about the environment and would rather pander to some multinational mining company than save the people they claim to have as 'family'.

2 more grunts died and 3 more were injured the other day. For what?

There comes a point where enough is enough.

And had McCain been president HE would have been smart enough NOT to go into Iraq. Many were duped into the WMD bit (sh t, I believed it too). Bush was (is) an IDIOT. ID TEN T to the core. BUT we (the US) broke it and we (the US) have to fix it. The ramifications are too high not to try, the ramifications are too high to FAIL. To pull the troops home before its time is a disservice to these guy - AS BAD AS GOING IN THE FIRST PLACE! Or the colossally effing up of L Paul Bremmer, Rummy, and Franks and their underlings.

Bush junior screwed up MAJOR, at length and repeated but we CAN'T walk away from there too early of the bleep really hits the fan. I would love to see Bush impeached, I'm still likely going to vote for McCain. Just wish it was 8 years ago.

Yet, time and time again I hear the extreme politico left state that McCain is going to repeat the last 8 years and that it is just more of the same. Personally, I do not believe that and I find the rhetoric coming from the left as distasteful as what comes from the right, more extreme as you get to the extreme.

Barry Obama ain't my guy. Biden I might have voted for. McCain I like and the added bonus is that with a DEM controlled congress and a Republican controlled Executive, neither the Tight Arsed Uber Conservative Religious Right can screw up my country nor the whacko-glue sniffin, Code Pink Marching Recreate 60Friekin'8 can SERIOUSLY screw up my country.

If McCain gets elected, hopefully he learned from the past and won't continue to drag the crap over there out.

But well played John. Thank you for a reasonable response.

The current problem with 'finishing' the job over there is radical groups are ALWAYS going to be an issue. Its a way of life. They don't cry and complain about things on the internet over there, they organize and (try) to fight back whether good or bad.

Look at the incident with the lawyers in Pakistan. A bunch of guys in suits and ties rioting! Hell, a lawyer here gets a smudge on his shirt and he fires his secretary then screams at his dry cleaner to make sure the stain comes out or he's never bringing his stuff there ever again! Hell I wonder how many underpaid college kids have been screamed at by people in suits because they forgot the splenda.

Its a different way of life and selling them on "democracy" is like trying to sell a snowmaker to eskimos.

But we've gotten off track. ;)

For you BSG fans:

http://www.tighroslin.com/

According to who? Where is all this coming from? The NRA? Do they back any of this up with solid facts and quotes? Of course not! That wouldn't be seedy!
C'mon man, I just cited a direct quote of what he said. Back up your claims.



I think there's WAY bigger things to fight right now than Heller, and he knows that.



The adage is a lie, only those with connections will have guns, not outlaws. Look what happened to them in the wild west, they got dead.



You have a problem with him going after OPEC? That shocks me.

Social Security is already a wreck, hell, might as well screw up 401k's.

Take a long look at your avatar, McCain would love to see that burn.

My reality is this, we're screwed right now. Right wing presidents aren't doing it. We're in an epic debt. I'm looking forward, not at now.

The same things were said about Clinton as far as guns yet nothing ever actually happened, he didn't take away your guns, he passed a bunk republican created bill that made all the anti-gun people feel better about themselves and life went on as normal.

I'm tired of the same war monger idiots running the show. I don't want to think of more of this crap starting up and my friends or family or eventual children having to be drafted. I don't want to see people in office who couldn't give a damn about the environment and would rather pander to some multinational mining company than save the people they claim to have as 'family'.

2 more grunts died and 3 more were injured the other day. For what?

There comes a point where enough is enough.

I'll get back to you later this afternoon. Have to get ready for work.

As far as your answers being direct quotes; did you hear him say these things or are you reading them ?

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm

Here's a little reading for you. But you will spin it around and refute it.

You just proved you didn't read any of it.

Look, you all said the same about Clinton.
Did he take away all your guns? Nope.
Is the left the big bad boogeyman who's gonna round up all your guns? Obviously not.
Is it typical grasping for straws? Yes.

Let me remind you, it was a REPUBLICAN who created the Brady Bill. It passed THE SENATE AND HOUSE. No one person magically made it go through. Obama can't get into office then magically take away your guns.

Obama's quote has straddled the issue. He wants limited control but understands
a persons right to carry. BS. I bet when a vote on gun issues came up he voted "present" not "for" or "against". He's now saying that running a campaign staff and budget gives him more experience then she has running a state with 77,000 employees and over a billion dollars in revenue a month. He's reaching now.

Obama's quote has straddled the issue. He wants limited control but understands
a persons right to carry. BS. I bet when a vote on gun issues came up he voted "present" not "for" or "against". He's now saying that running a campaign staff and budget gives him more experience then she has running a state with 77,000 employees and over a billion dollars in revenue a month. He's reaching now.

Don't forget flip flopping on projects depending on what is favorable with the party, not the people.

Claiming to be "for the comms" yet screwing them with supporting the pebble mine.

Trying to stop any and all fish farming.

Being the postergirl for hypocrisy when it comes to "family values".

And yet again, the president's single vote can't take away your guns. You don't need to build the bunker in your front yard yet.

Id like to congratulate McCain for this brilliant choice of VP. In typical republican fashion, they have created a huge smoke screen which will distract the American people from the important issues- energy, economy and domestic/foreign policies. Now most Americans will be scratching their heads over the choice of Palin all the way to the voting box... bravo Mr Senator.. Bravo.

The original maverick...:hihi:

Id like to congratulate McCain for this brilliant choice of VP. In typical republican fashion, they have created a huge smoke screen which will distract the American people from the important issues- energy, economy and domestic/foreign policies. Now most Americans will be scratching their heads over the choice of Palin all the way to the voting box... bravo Mr Senator.. Bravo.

The original maverick...:hihi:

That is exactly why I've lost a lot of faith in McCain over this pick.

McCain has always been a conservative who's not pushed the social button very hard. This pick is clearly a signal that the base was not excited by him, so they made a strategic decision to make this election about the "culture wars" rather than the real issues, because they were afraid they couldn't win.

Ultimately this may come back to haunt.

-spence

You just proved you didn't read any of it.

Look, you all said the same about Clinton.
Did he take away all your guns? Nope.
Is the left the big bad boogeyman who's gonna round up all your guns? Obviously not.
Is it typical grasping for straws? Yes.

Let me remind you, it was a REPUBLICAN who created the Brady Bill. It passed THE SENATE AND HOUSE. No one person magically made it go through. Obama can't get into office then magically take away your guns.


Actually I did read it, did you? It reaffirms a lot of what I typed out above. Who is he to say who can or cannot carry concealed ? You read it how you want and I'll read it the way I want. My interpretation is what matters to me.


As far as registration, which he is for; that is the first step towards confiscation. He is very adamant about gun control. If you don't think so, you are looking through blinders.


I also like the way you try to twist things around when someone disagrees with you on a political issue. I can take the little diggers. But I will never vote for OBAMA.:fishslap:

It is actually kind of sad when the democratic party wants to nominate a JUNIOR SENATOR for the highest political office in out country. Even tough I don't like Hillary either, she would have made a better potential president.

Who is he to say who can or cannot carry concealed ?

If you think he can then you don't understand gun laws at all or how bills and laws get passed.

My interpretation is what matters to me.

Even if its wrong?

that is the first step towards confiscation. He is very adamant about gun control.

Are you REALLY sure you aren't a member michigan militia?

It is actually kind of sad when the democratic party wants to nominate a JUNIOR SENATOR for the highest political office in out country. Even tough I don't like Hillary either, she would have made a better potential president.

Why is it sad?
Because of what Fox tells you?

It is actually kind of sad when the democratic party wants to nominate a JUNIOR SENATOR for the highest political office in out country. Even tough I don't like Hillary either, she would have made a better potential president.
Actually MAC, Hillary Clinton is a JUNIOR SENATOR as well.

You forgot about Chuck Schumer :lasso:

-spence

Actually MAC, Hillary Clinton is a JUNIOR SENATOR as well.

You forgot about Chuck Schumer :lasso:

-spence

yes she is. BUT she did spend 8 years in the White House........

yes she is. BUT she did spend 8 years in the White House........
Pushing failed health care reform and picking out new drapes???

Don't get me wrong, I don't really like her although I do think she's a solid Senator. But her experience as first lady isn't all that important.

Does Barbara or Laura Bush have street cred for their time in da house? :eek5:

-spence

Ok likwid, you won. I don't know anything.:alien: I do like how you go into attack mode when someone disagrees with you though.

I may not be the brightest bulb but am far from stupid. Some of us may not have your political acumen.

Just a question though. Did you ever serve ? When I enlisted I turned down OCS. It wasn't how I wanted to serve.

Now on gun laws; I do understand them and how they come to be law.

I feel and believe Obama would do what he wanted. And as far him not being able to, think again. I wouln't be surprised to see him attempt "executive privelage" on certain matters. I don't mean gun laws either.

Like I said, I'm done argueing. You win.

Pushing failed health care reform and picking out new drapes???

Don't get me wrong, I don't really like her although I do think she's a solid Senator. But her experience as first lady isn't all that important.

Does Barbara or Laura Bush have street cred for their time in da house? :eek5:

-spence

No, but neither does Obama as far as I am concerned.

Just a question though. Did you ever serve ? When I enlisted I turned down OCS. It wasn't how I wanted to serve.

Yawn. The old "did you serve" argument.

Nope, I worked for a couple different corporations working on things that are way above your pay grade.

Now on gun laws; I do understand them and how they come to be law.

So you think somehow Obama is going to declare martial law?

[QUOTE=likwid;617187]Yawn. The old "did you serve" argument.

Nope, I worked for a couple different corporations working on things that are way above your pay grade.




Mac, you just won. Once again liberal elitism has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

Mac, you just won. Once again liberal elitism has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

Liberal elitism because I worked on things that today are saving soldiers lives? Ok. :rotf3:

Yawn. The old "did you serve" argument.

Nope, I worked for a couple different corporations working on things that are way above your pay grade.



So you think somehow Obama is going to declare martial law?

Here ya go twisting words again.

I guess the did you serve question was unwarrented.

:yawn::think: I had a thought in mind and you just confirmed it with your way above your pay grade statement.

You are just like Obama. He is also an elitist.

I had a thought in mind and you just confirmed it with your way above your pay grade statement.

Is it anything like the thought of irony of your avatar? :rotf2:

Just remember, if it wasn't for a bunch of liberal d*** sucks who liked computers and realized there was good money to be made in the defense sector you people would still be beating each other over the head with sticks and rocks.

Is it anything like the thought of irony of your avatar? :rotf2:

Just remember, if it wasn't for a bunch of liberal d*** sucks who liked computers and realized there was good money to be made in the defense sector you people would still be beating each other over the head with sticks and rocks.

What is the "you people" analogy? Are you on a higher plain ?

And on the avatar; I have never been one to just "get in line". In other words I don't consider myself to be one of the "sheep".

BAAAAAH

Yeah, I too would like a little clarification on the "You People" comment.

pretty %$%$%$%$ty attitude if you ask me....

Yeah, I too would like a little clarification on the "You People" comment.

pretty %$%$%$%$ty attitude if you ask me....

I dunno TDF, are you one to throw around the "liberal elitist" line like its some new snappy line that actually means anything?

But hell, its not like the DOD gives contracts to Americans anymore.
I'm kinda shocked there's no outrage that FN Herstal (a Belgian company) owns Browning and Winchester.

Lets not forget the replacement for the M16 is an FN firearm. :rotf2:

No

I also certainly don't treat vets like they are inferior because of the fact they were in the military....which is how I read your statement and it definitely rubbed me the wrong way.

No

I also certainly don't treat vets like they are inferior because of the fact they were in the military....which is how I read your statement and it definitely rubbed me the wrong way.

And what about using it as an attack? Is that legit? "Oh well I was a vet so obviously you're some draft dodging fgt! har har har!"

A force recon marine, army ranger (5 tours in nam), and an ex airforce test pilot told me I'd be better off getting scholarships, going to college and making bombs. Would you like to question their advice? I considered going in, but took their advice.

And what about using it as an attack? Is that legit? "Oh well I was a vet so obviously you're some draft dodging fgt! har har har!"

A force recon marine, army ranger (5 tours in nam), and an ex airforce test pilot told me I'd be better off getting scholarships, going to college and making bombs. Would you like to question their advice? I considered going in, but took their advice.


Its only an attack if you feel threatened.

MAC chose to serve. You made an informed decision not to serve.

End of story.

I thank MAC for his service. I applaud you on your career choice.

Why would I question his advice....he served. :hee: he's talking from experience.

Hey Mac, Thank You for your service and true sacrafice. :btu: