Today in the mail Sean Bradshaw received a letter from On The Water informing him he was being removed from the Striper Cup.In a show of solidarity Team Striper will most likely withdraw from the Cup.

Why. Did he fail a lie detector test or something?

No, apparently the newspaper article was conclusive enough for OTW to DQ the young lad.

what newspaper article?

http://striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/showthread.php?t=52022

Wow, well well

Today in the mail Sean Bradshaw received a letter from On The Water informing him he was being removed from the Striper Cup.In a show of solidarity Team Striper will most likely withdraw from the Cup.

A show of solidarity for what????? That is ridiculous.

So....Team S-B wins?:confused:

kind of looks like it if they withdraw the team. Why they would do that I have no idea. Probably be an * after it though. IMO not worth it if you don't do it yourself,others may think differently.

Bradshaw has a 51 from a boat.....subtract that from the score and add the next largest fish they have and probably not enough to win! Striper Cup Fest should be quite interesting!:cheers2:

Oh....and a big KUDOS to OTW for dropping the bum!

Oh....and a big KUDOS to OTW for dropping the bum!

Without a doubt.

Bradshaw has a 51 from a boat.....subtract that from the score and add the next largest fish they have and probably not enough to win! Striper Cup Fest should be quite interesting!:cheers2:

Larry--they're ahead of us by something like 25-30 points. I guarantee you that their 11th place fish is mid to high 40s, minimum.

Why would they withdraw??? Just because of 1 bad apple in the barrel? :huh:

Oh thou doest protest to much!

Good things come to those who deserve it,& some get what they deserve.


5/0

Hummmmm..Interesting

striper cup should be INDIVIDUAL...or two-man at the most... not teams...

Why would they withdraw??? Just because of 1 bad apple in the barrel? :huh:

If I had to try to be a mind reader, maybe because they feel that OTW pre-judged guilt without a court adjudication. If my memory is correct, they waited unti Major's case was heard in Edgartown District Court until they tossed him.

Not that my opinion matters much, but I think withdrawing on their part is ill advised. While some might understand the rationale if it is as I guessed, many others would view it as showing solidarity with a poacher. If they want to have Bradshaw up on the stage accepting the Cup with the rest of their team, that's their prerogative.

well i hope the court system feels the same way OTW does. im looking forward to Striper Fest more now to see the outcome of everything.

Obviously, from the report of the RI/CT environmental people, and I suspect that they do not do these things half assed, and given the amount of Bass the paocher had, his ass should get tossed and if "Team Striper" goes out in solidarity with this poacher, then others from that team probably had knowledge of what he was doing as well.

The whole team should withdraw, if they don't there will always be a shadow of doubt as to the legality of the taking the Cup on thier part, accomplices or not to the acts of this loser.

It would actually be too bad if they don't as it will dampen the enthusiasm of the legitimate contestants for further participation.

OTW did the right thing in this case especially given the closeness of the end of the tourney, they had to act.

with the New England Patriots

and then you say... "well, who knew" :gorez:

Yeah like I need to wait to see if he is guilty? Explain to me why he had all that bass at his home?? Guilty! Next case!

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Not that my opinion matters much, but I think withdrawing on their part is ill advised. While some might understand the rationale if it is as I guessed, many others would view it as showing solidarity with a poacher. If they want to have Bradshaw up on the stage accepting the Cup with the rest of their team, that's their prerogative.

Very well said.

It's hard to know what to do when two old school anglers like Flap and Numb present contrarian opinions. Please expound on your views so the powers that be can become enlightened. This is good stuff.

here is my thoughts- I am totally anti-competitive fishing these days, but If you have a guy who is a hard core poacher and he is fishing for team striper, who is to say that the hard core poacher isnt letting other members of his team weigh in any of the larger fish under their names?

For example, lets say he had 3 dead 45 lbers on ice.. who is to say that he didnt allow fellow members to borrow one to weigh......

I am not saying that they did this, but come on... somehow I doubt a poacher of this magnitude would not think of cheating...

If it were me and I ran the tournament, I would not boot the whole %$%$%$%$ing team, but I would have them all do a polygraph test to disprove any cheating.

here is my thoughts- I am totally anti-competitive fishing these days, but If you have a guy who is a hard core poacher and he is fishing for team striper, who is to say that the hard core poacher isnt letting other members of his team weigh in any of the larger fish under their names?

For example, lets say he had 3 dead 45 lbers on ice.. who is to say that he didnt allow fellow members to borrow one to weigh......

I am not saying that they did this, but come on... somehow I doubt a poacher of this magnitude would not think of cheating...

If it were me and I ran the tournament, I would not boot the whole %$%$%$%$ing team, but I would have them all do a polygraph test to disprove any cheating.


I am thinking this too. Who's to say he didn't catch all the fish and had 'conveniently' shared his fish with the team. To me the entire team's weigh in is suspect.

I ,again say test anyone who has a key to the truck. The winning team gets nothing. The anglers of the year get nothing. There were widespread rumors of last years winners passing fish. Another where a shore caught angler scored a cow on a boat.Too much hippy spinach will get the best of your imagination sometimes. One thing I am certain of is that none of the anglers on Team Striper needs anyone else's fish to weigh in.These aren't the type who fish to get their pictures in magazines or websites.Guys on Team Striper were fishing in the original Schaefer with some members being multiple winners.I would guess they have caught more fifties than other teams have caught thirties. Most are comm's or have charter businesses.The only comparison I can think of would be pros vs. amateurs. I can say this with certainty as I have fished with most of the high hookers from each team. This is no disrespect to anyone on the board so please don't take it personally.My suggestion is to win or lose with class. Leave the sour grapes for losers.

You can't throw a blanket over the entire team for the actions of one! I believe if the others knew what he was doing they would have expelled him themselves? Guilty by association? I do not believe you can lump the other members in with that jack ass! I feel bad for the rest of the team but I think Mike P. is right on....they should not side with him by resigning from the competition......it would show that they might possibly have had knowledge of what was going on......however they may be of the belief that their teams accomplishment is somehow tainted and would not want to cast a pall over the integrity of the Striper Cup!

Polygraphing the whole team sounds like a good idea,but probably would be a major headache and expense.Maybe they'll do a Marion Jones.

I have said in the past that these competitions should exclude commercially licensed fishermen as they have a decided advantage over the recreational fishermen. It should be held to a strict recreational fishermen only tournament.....I believe it would weed out a good amount of the BS!

I One thing I am certain of is that none of the anglers on Team Striper needs anyone else's fish to weigh in. Most are comm's or have charter businesses.
Thank you for the clarification again this tournament is open to anyone.

Based on what is known, I think OTW did the right thing with disqualifying Brandon. Team Striper would still win because they have the points.

I'm a bit torn on the "solidarity" of the team withdrawing from the cup and I guess I'll wait until I hear why.

Today in the mail Sean Bradshaw received a letter from On The Water informing him he was being removed from the Striper Cup.In a show of solidarity Team Striper will most likely withdraw from the Cup.
imo.... they all should....u cant tell me that his actions and evidence are above suspicion ???? as well a his closes friends didnt know .....if so i got a bridge to sell you cheap........otw did the propper action. thats what happen to your good name and honor ,sold out for the buck.$$$$$$$$$$ dave

Who said or implied tthey were above suspicion?

Medicate yourself properly and then read it again.

I have to agree with some of the others on this board. I know some comm, and charter captains. Whenever you talk to them they always tell you what this one is doing, what that one did etc. Those guys know more about the other comms, and charter capt than they know about their own families. IMO the rest of that team must have known all along, or at least suspected what he was doing.

IMO Team Striper should not withdraw, but they should at least distance themselves from the guilty party. Maybe make some sort of statement like a letter to be published in OTW condemning the act of poaching, and stating that they are waiting for the adjudicating of his case before commenting any further. At the same time they should support OTW decision. Those guys have a hard enough time with the whole thing the last thing OTW needs is a blackmark.

I also think that OTW should rethink the rules allowing commercial and charter captains to compete. There is too much at stake for the charter captains, and commercial guys as far as reputation related to business. Let's face it when Gary Corsetti made all those appearances on Days of a Sportsman, and was winning tourneys it bumped up his business tremendously.

I ,again say test anyone who has a key to the truck. The winning team gets nothing. The anglers of the year get nothing. There were widespread rumors of last years winners passing fish. Another where a shore caught angler scored a cow on a boat.
Are you suggesting that members of Team S-B were passing fish? Or catching from a boat? Or are your "rumors" for others?

I remember hearing a rumor or two last year but not about our team. I recall hearing other rumors last year from disgruntled anglers from other teams about how those fishing in the shore division were losers and did not deserve any point system to level the playing field between boat and shore (forget about camping out on the reefs and ledges while commercially taking a lot of fish).

Sadly, you hear a lot of rumors and the fact that tournaments, like this one, foster people to create and start rumors is very disappointing.

I heard several "rumors" from different groups this year that were disappointing. Should I propagate those rumors? Run 'em up the flagpole at OTW? Start (continue) crap that can't be verified?

I know I have no reason to believe that S-B had any improperly reported fish. Not something I go for.

This is no disrespect to anyone on the board so please don't take it personally.My suggestion is to win or lose with class. Leave the sour grapes for losers.

Agreed

Level the playing field - lie detector everyone!

I ,again say test anyone who has a key to the truck. The winning team gets nothing. The anglers of the year get nothing. There were widespread rumors of last years winners passing fish. Another where a shore caught angler scored a cow on a boat.Too much hippy spinach will get the best of your imagination sometimes. One thing I am certain of is that none of the anglers on Team Striper needs anyone else's fish to weigh in. Most are comm's or have charter businesses.The only comparison I can think of would be pros vs. amateurs. I can say this with certainty as I have fished with most of the high hookers from each team. This is no disrespect to anyone on the board so please don't take it personally.

Chris,

I agree with most of what you're saying here. Pro versus amateurs is a legit comparison. Pros to me are guys who do it for a living. Everyone else is an amateur. It’s just like golf. I don't suspect anyone on Team Striper needs any aid in the catching dept. I'd prefer to compete against pros myself as the accomplishment of beating a pro would mean much more to me, even if the odds are against. The 1980 Olympic hockey team comes to mind…

As for last year’s winners passing fish, I never heard of it or witnessed it. It sounds like an attempt at scorched earth to me or possibly an “everyone else does it so we do too” excuse. I wouldn’t have a problem if the people with truck keys were tested, either.

With either case, it doesn’t explain away the 42 fish in the guy’s possession and subsequent expulsion from the tourney. Bottom line here is OTW had to act in the best interest of the 2,000 plus contestants in addition to the tourney sponsors.
Mr. Bradshaw will have his judgment day and the system will determine his guilt or innocence in the end.

As for the team dropping out of the tourney, no way. There’s some deserving anglers on your squad. In the end, only you guys will really know if the accomplishment was legit or not. Dropping out is like kicking sand in the face of the honest guys.

I have said in the past that these competitions should exclude commercially licensed fishermen as they have a decided advantage over the recreational fishermen. It should be held to a strict recreational fishermen only tournament.....I believe it would weed out a good amount of the BS!

I agree.But the guys poaching and selling to resteraunts don't have commercial licenses.However a recreational angler only tourney would eliminate most of the BS, not all.
I wonder if the IRS is going to be in on this case?

Agreed Fishtwo0....definitely not all the BS for sure. Where there is a will to deceive there is a way!

Obviously, from the report of the RI/CT environmental people, and I suspect that they do not do these things half assed, and given the amount of Bass the paocher had, his ass should get tossed and if "Team Striper" goes out in solidarity with this poacher, then others from that team probably had knowledge of what he was doing as well.

The whole team should withdraw, if they don't there will always be a shadow of doubt as to the legality of the taking the Cup on thier part, accomplices or not to the acts of this loser.

It would actually be too bad if they don't as it will dampen the enthusiasm of the legitimate contestants for further participation.

OTW did the right thing in this case especially given the closeness of the end of the tourney, they had to act.


Maybe the rest of the team was fishing on the same boat. Umm?

Chris,
I find it hard to swallow some of your comments from atop the fence. You are a worthy monthly winner with your shore 44# for the month of May. And you offer to be willing to take a polygraph test as a one of the winners with a significant prize at stake. Clearly Team Striper should be proud to have you on their team.
Yet, you then go muddy the waters with talk of a potential team withdrawal in the name of "solidarity" with a team member 'accused' of breaching the laws, even when the charges were made after the Cup ended. And the comments relating to rumors about last year's tournament and the winners are news to me, and appear to be a smokescreen to direct attention away from the "poaching" subject.
On the Fall fishing thread, you said you were 'only able to manage a 37#' fish the previous night... Do you realize how many anglers only dream of fish in that class???
Sit back and enjoy what is to come your way. You earned it. If there is to be a statement/decision from the team, let the 'captain' make it. I would much rather see you up on stage as a humble, deserving winner rather than a lightning rod tied to the poaching incident.
Congrats to your team, and best wishes for getting the right key. I'll look forward to seeing you there.

Again, to lie detector everyone is not possible dollar wise.OTW doesn't even offer subscriptions for a weekly prize so I wouldn't hold my breath for them to spend big bucks for a lie detector test.In their defense they have offerred to reinstate Sean if he takes and passes a test.
If I had sour grapes regarding the outcome of last years tournament I guess I would have spoken up then. In the past I have discussed these allegations with S-B members but decided it was better to keep quiet. It is still my belief there should be seperate divisions for boat and shore but obviously even that type of rhetoric hits a nerve. I have alredy been told not to drink from the Cup this year because of some members less than charming antics (potty?)regarding said cup. I'm sure the boss knew nothing of that also but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.BTW, I am fishing the Back Eddy tournament in October. It is an open tournament and I feel confident I can compete vs. the boat guys without a handicap system.

I have alredy been told not to drink from the Cup this year because of some members less than charming antics (potty?)regarding said cup. I'm sure the boss knew nothing of that also but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Are u serious, or are you further spreading rumors?

Maybe you should keep this stuff factual, ie: stuff you saw, or were involved in. Speculation, rumors, lies, and innuendo are just that

Are u serious, or are you further spreading rumors?

Maybe you should keep this stuff factual, ie: stuff you saw, or were involved in. Speculation, rumors, lies, and innuendo are just that

Was arunning joke, thats all.

The few ruin it for the many.
Enough said.

is this cupgate?

Thats what I thought Tony.

It's seems like there are some real sour grapes out there....

I see no reason for the individuals on team Striper to withdraw from the Cup. Your fish in May was a great catch and deserves recognition. Keith's "performance" this year undoubtedly ( at least in my mind ) deserves a round of applause.
I go back to what I originally said " the Team should be held accountable ".
The thought of the team passing fish never entered into my mind. That team had plenty of heavy hitters very capable to catch on their own.
I look forward to talking at the Cup or the Eddy, I'll be at both. Art

This is starting to look like something my wife would watch on the "Soap Channel" :rolleyes: (I'm still waiting for a Tampax Ad to pop up in this thread)

Team Striper is in 1st Place

Someone on team Striper got caught (allegedly) doing something wrong....OTW said "See ya"...So.......Don't let the Doorknob hit ya where the good Lord Split ya.

Now Does Team Striper have a fish big enough so they still Win....yeah...So enter it and move the frig on.

This "Show of Solidarity" is doing nothing more than adding Melodrama to a simple cut and dry situation....Guy got Caught, Guy got Bounced....simple....see ya. only guy that should have an issue is the guy that got bounced.

Team Striper Goes to the Striper Cup Celebration gets the cup and Drinks from it (bring some Sani-wipes if your that paranoid) and have a great day.

When its over you can write a letter to OTW suggesting some changes for next year (lie Detectors, Seperate Surf and Boat, No Comms.....Whatever).

They can Listen to you or not listen to you...either way when the rules come out next year you can either sign up or not sign up. And if you sign up then you agree to play by the rules they put forth....not Biatch about them because you don't like them.

if you don't like them then Don't sign up....its that simple.

well said (written) TDF. The Striper Cup is an exciting competition IMO, but sadly, these types of things always result in some melodrama. I mean really, how many controverisal threads have come up since the cup started? It's just fisherman nature!

I guess now is when I confess that the part about solidarity was fabrication on my part to add melodrama and increase hits on my favorite website. Catch em up.

Bradshaw's weighted fish of 51 lbs. is disqualified therefore leaving only 9 top fish for the team. There should be no 11th place fish to replace the one that is lost.

I am sure OTW will move the next biggest fish into the top 10...they have the weigh slips!

Don't forget that Luds withdrew a 40+ fish last year because he realized that he hadn't been entered for 24 hours before catching it.

Slip and I were the guys who called his attention to the rule.

I think this is my last year for this thing. Too much finger pointing and rumors. Tip your cap to OTW for a nice try, but nothing's changed in the last 40 years. Jealousy and greed just are too ingrained in the human spirit :(

It's like the MV Derby--an off-Islander wins back to back, and he has to be cheating :rollem:

I guess now is when I confess that the part about solidarity was fabrication on my part to add melodrama and increase hits on my favorite website. Catch em up.

So now this thread was a troll ??

Bradshaw's weighted fish of 51 lbs. is disqualified therefore leaving only 9 top fish for the team. There should be no 11th place fish to replace the one that is lost.

Then you are penalizing the team, which to my knowledge has nothing concrete against it, for the actions of one guy. It is were more than one...

Don't forget that Luds withdrew a 40+ fish last year because he realized that he hadn't been entered for 24 hours before catching it.

Slip and I were the guys who called his attention to the rule.

I think this is my last year for this thing. Too much finger pointing and rumors. Tip your cap to OTW for a nice try, but nothing's changed in the last 40 years. Jealousy and greed just are too ingrained in the human spirit :(

It's like the MV Derby--an off-Islander wins back to back, and he has to be cheating :rollem:

And that error was resolved early and easily (and nothing against the law either)...

Does take out some of the fun of fishing the tourney

This may be closer than you guys think. I was just on the OTW site and the boss man's 39Lb =46.8LBS fish has not been added to the totals yet. This will be very close

I was thinking the same thing Mike......and they will not update the last week as they probably want a little mystery. Usually updates were done on Fridays!

Man I was on the fence about signing up for the Cup.Now I'm glad I didn't.

Tournies for charity like the Chris Potts or Hab's are what its all about.The only winners are the families of those who died way before their time.

Anybody who has thought about fishing a competitive tournament will think twice after reading this thread.

After seeing the responses in this thread I'll never sign up for the Striper Cup ever again.

interesting

No, it wasn't a troll. The part about the letter and subsequent DQ was information for the masses I thought would be appreciated. The solidarity part was meant as a joke. Like going potty in the cup I guess. As far as the tournament being close;I doubt it as a member of our team hung a corker from shore on the last day of the competition that wil place him in our top 5 for points.Finally, for the sake of clarity,let me reiterate that nobody on Team Striper condones poaching and I am certain there was none committed to give the team an advantage in this stupid tournament. That being said, "Where is my key."

No, it wasn't a troll. The part about the letter and subsequent DQ was information for the masses I thought would be appreciated. The solidarity part was meant as a joke. Like going potty in the cup I guess. As far as the tournament being close;I doubt it as a member of our team hung a corker from shore on the last day of the competition that wil place him in our top 5 for points.Finally, for the sake of clarity,let me reiterate that nobody on Team Striper condones poaching and I am certain there was none committed to give the team an advantage in this stupid tournament. That being said, "Where is my key."


Chris - Thanks for clearing that up. Wasn't sure where the story began and ended.

Even without a large shore fish at the end, S-B would not have near enough points.

Troll ?

Troll ?

You Rang :shocked::hidin::gorez:

Man I was on the fence about signing up for the Cup.Now I'm glad I didn't.

Tournies for charity like the Chris Potts or Hab's are what its all about.The only winners are the families of those who died way before their time.

Anybody who has thought about fishing a competitive tournament will think twice after reading this thread.

After seeing the responses in this thread I'll never sign up for the Striper Cup ever again.

OOOOOO, basswipe!
i'm skeeeered now too!!
NOT!!!

well, if WE follow that irrational, then we should ALL withdraw
because of the alleged illegal actions of one LOSER!??!

ya gotta be sheeeting me, MAN!
one guy efff's up and NOW the whole Tourney is suspect, tainted,
not worthy of basswipe's participation. who gives a rat's arse??

have your opinion, no prob,,,,,,,,,,,,,:smash: :smash:

but to state that NOW everyone else should follow your position is somehwat grandiose, doan ya think? perhaps you didn't enter cuz you don't do so well when pitted against other high hookers? or, is the deadline thing too much pressh for ya? or, simply you don't like meat tourneys?

whichever, or for whatever reason, state it for what it is~~
but, to blame OTW and its signature event, or to just universally condemn tournament fishing sounds like someone with an axe to grind and it is not related to the case, in point, here! what's wrong bw, did they not deliver a coupla issues last year?
:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

for me, the Striper Cup was a BLAST!!
i thought that it was very well run ~considering the scope and magnitude of such a HUGE event. LOVED the Team competition and the added excitement that comes with following the totals board, seeing who's won for which week, and checking for the angler of the year race ~~which was a tight one this season and very inspiring!! the added bonus is the big shindig that gets thrown next weekend on tha Hahbah to commemorate this 2008 Season, the HIGHS and the LOWS!!!
:jump: :jump: :jump:


something tells me that the POSITIVES of this Year's Striper Cup
will far, faaaaar OUTWEIGH the negatives or the misgivings of the FEW:heybaby: :heybaby: :heybaby:

This is rediculous! Not too long ago there was a thread about cheating in tourneys. This is why I stated why I cant stand them. Jealousy, rumors, cheating, backstabbing and a whole lot of petty drama.

Assuming the rest of the team still pulls off the win it should be theirs to celebrate (minus the bad apple of course). Though its apparent they will be guilty by association and rumors.

This is rediculous! Not too long ago there was a thread about cheating in tourneys. This is why I stated why I cant stand them. Jealousy, rumors, cheating, backstabbing and a whole lot of petty drama.

Assuming the rest of the team still pulls off the win it should be theirs to celebrate (minus the bad apple of course). Though its apparent they will be guilty by association and rumors.

i have to wholeheartedly, and with much RESPECT, disagree!!

there is NO TAINT to Team Striper's WIN!!

one guy cheated, HE was removed from their totals,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
LEGITIMATE points were/will replace the illegitimate ones
and we and The Cup moves on. only those, mostly non-participants angling to justify their non-entry,
seem to be the most effected by the unfortunate choices by a slime-ball poacher. i could care LESS, and i salute Team Striper as a whole unit and will not misrepresent them ~or the Tounament~ by the misbehavior of ONE crumb-bum!

nor, should we assume that Team Striper would not have won!
this does not mean that THEY ALL cheated! those guys would've won this year without Bradshaw's
ill-gotten stripeys, and they feeshed their tails OFF, and they deserve to SIP, PISS, RAISE The Cup high,
hold it for the year, and do whatever the heck they want to do to IT ~~ until WE WREST it from their "pro" hands next season.

simply, CHEERS Team Striper!!! and CONGRATS
on a well fished and well deserved WIN!!!
:claps: :claps: :claps: :claps:

besides we still had the Angler of the Year, and
I predict the Trifecta for next year: :as: :as: :as:

The Cup, Angler of the Year, & Catch of the Year!!
:kewl: :kewl: :kewl: :kewl:

Bassdawg....I think basswipe was just saying that this ain't his cup of tea....don't think he meant we all needed to stop participating.

is this cupgate?

dont u dare get capt cupcake involved. he was at church that day...

Anybody who has thought about fishing a competitive tournament will think twice after reading this thread.

After seeing the responses in this thread I'll never sign up for the Striper Cup ever again.

Really?

i hear ya, The Dad, just seems never and anybody are kindof absolutes,
and i just feel that ONE mommaluke does NOT a tourney make!!

i had a BALL, and would encourage ANYBODY to sign up for next year ~who was thinking about it!
you get a cooool shirt, a hat pin, and a discount on the subscription,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

what's BETTER than that? the PERFECT meat for grand prizes/schwag tournament does not exist, and this one got cleaned up in due process. good on ya, OTW!!

If U reely fast they always call U da cheetah!!

funny stuff, Mikey!
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

All this bull%$%$%$%$ for a stupid CUP !!!
:conf:

All this bull%$%$%$%$ for a stupid CUP !!!
:conf:

Exactly.
Fishing is fishing. It is supposed to be fun.

There is a reason I don't enter....

I've put teams together before, not for fishing tourneys but for other sport activities. In putting those teams together, each individual is chosen based on his honesty first, talent 2nd. To me, to win dishonestly, is NOT winning...period. I believe a team-mate is a reflection of the team and the team a reflection of it's members. I believe Team Striper SHOULD remove itself completely based on their poor decision in picking their players or allowing people to join.

To compare this to Professional football is :hs: wrong. They (Football) will do whatever it takes to win, be it honestly or NOT. In comparing this to PRO football, ...it's like saying you would do whatever it takes to win, including dishonest measures as has been and continues to happen in football. If that is the case, than so be it, but don't try to sell it differently. It is ....what it is.

If I were putting a football team together, I would not add an intentionally DIRTY styled player to my team. Regardless of how talented he was, I want to walk off that field PROUD of my victory, not clouded with thoughts that perhaps we won dishonestly. This is not an individual tourney, it's a TEAM tourney. IMO - his dishonesty would out weigh any of his talent. My team may not win the Bowl, but where-ever we got,...we got there honestly. You reflect what you surround yourself with. If one really doesn't care what people think.........than one should not post about it at all.
Just my Opinion - If he was caught during the first few weeks of the tourney, sure...disqualify HIM.
Being caught doing what he did after the tourney even though it's not tourney related....???....The team should disqualify itself to save face, as well as try to ensure OTW that the team is LEGIT regardless of what happened with one of it's members after the fact.




Short, but true story - I had a REALLY big guy on my Deck Hockey team, I wasn't sure of his character but knew of his intimidation factor from previous seasons when he was on the opposing teams. He was a guy that a forward didn't want to go into the corner with. In Hockey, intimidation is BIG, so he was added to the roster as a defenseman. Turns out he was an incredible HACK. He would intentionally hack the opposing players, I'm not talking about tapping shin guards here, I'm talking about taking guys out. He'd get penalized, but his intimidation also affected the referees, so he was putting a hurtin' on quite a few people....now hockey is hockey, it's NOT for sissy's...but he was abusing what I consider should be tolerated. He would also cross-check when he felt he could get away with it. So one day during one of our practices, I lost it. I ran up to him, and started whacking him with my stick....he looked at me like.....WTF are you doing as he fell to the ground ??? I told him, HOW DO YOU LIKE IT??? In the box we had the conversation, I will not tolerate DIRTY measures nor dishonesty on my team. If that's the way you want to play, go somewhere else. This isn't about winning the Stanley Cup and possibly millions $$$, it's about a bunch of guys who enjoy the sport, and even more when the competitive aspect is added to it.

Luckily, he thought I was n#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g futz, and didn't turn me into a pretzel....:jump1:

All this bull%$%$%$%$ for a stupid CUP !!!
:conf:

NO, NO Ronnie!!
Not stupid Cup ~~~~~it's

The Striper Cup
:bl: :bl: :bl: :bl:

and many others and i had a BALL defending her, for
*SHE is the pinnacle of our recreation and the aspiration
for team angler's along the entire Striper Coast!!!*
:uhuh: :uhuh: :uhuh:

NO, NO Ronnie!!
Not stupid Cup ~~~~~it's

The Striper Cup
:bl: :bl: :bl: :bl:

and many others and i had a BALL defending her, for
*SHE is the pinnacle of our recreation and the aspiration
for team angler's along the entire Striper Coast!!!*
:uhuh: :uhuh: :uhuh:

I feel bad for anyone that the Stiper Cup is the pinnacle of the sport. I joined and was happy to fish for S-B. The mere opportunity to fish is worth more than a thousand victories of the cup. Maybe Im not a competitive person, who knows.

I would agree that while the Cup is great to fish for and can add an interesting element, if the Cup were to disappear tomorrow I could adjust just fine.

I usually enjoy fishing Tourneys but that is not why I fish.

Exactly.
Fishing is fishing. It is supposed to be fun.

There is a reason I don't enter....

for MANY surfcasters,,,,,,,,,,,

competitive fishing is the very definition of:












:jump: :jump: :jump:
:jump: FUNNNN!!! :jump:
:jump: :jump: :jump:

Fun is fishing with my buddies and all of us catching fish! We don't care who gets the biggest fish or who gets the most fish.....its just fun to watch each other catching fish! I am not competitive when it comes to fishing and I only registered for a shot at winning the boat! So....all the rest of it really does not matter to me.....its the good will of fishing together and the good time at the Harpoon Brewery and a shot at possibly winning a boat that matters to me!:kewl:

I feel bad for anyone that the Stiper Cup is the pinnacle of the sport. I joined and was happy to fish for S-B. The mere opportunity to fish is worth more than a thousand victories of the cup. Maybe Im not a competitive person, who knows.

i use the asterisk to dentote sarcasm, tongue-in-cheekedness, bro!
:wave: :wave: :wave:


my opinion is more inline with the Bossman's.

i don't fish because of the Tournaments, but the oppoprtunity
for schwaaaag is NICE, and the team aspect is envigorating!

with or without tournament fishing, i am still gonna pound the surf~~

working it to improve my personal bests, meet and feesh with fellow stripermen, and achieve the solitude and sanity that comes from being connected to our beautiful prey while communing with the majestic shores of NE ~~through sights and smells and sounds and lifetime moments that the surf of the Mighty Atlantic is wont to allow,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

*THAT, and i AM one sickly competitive BASTAGE ~~by nature!!!*
:humpty: :nailem: :laugha: :laugha:

for MANY surfcasters,,,,,,,,,,,
competitive fishing is the very definition of:


Well,
thats why I dont fish with guys like that BD.
My 'circle of trust' is small, and consists of guys more interested in the pursuit than the cup or any other tourney.

that's cool, Bryan...........

point well taken, and it will prolly take me
several more years, God Willing, to arrive

at the Zen side of our pursuit, although~~

i DO get it, and i DO love the chase. i guess
i'm just NOT embracing the genteel side, quite yet,

*which COULD explain many of my monstah mishaps!!*
:bl: :bl: :bl:

Well,
thats why I dont fish with guys like that BD.
My 'circle of trust' is small, and consists of guys more interested in the pursuit than the cup or any other tourney.

Well, from what I hear from Jake and Elwood Jude lately, you do a lot of pursuin', Bry :rotflmao:

Gotta be a blood feud goin' on here - I guess they took umbrage at something or other...:hihi:

This is interesting to say the least. I have to tread lightly here with my comments. I've never been a fan of this tourney but to their credit OTW has tried to improve it over the years. For the first time this season I just checked the club standings. I'm somewhat surprised that a few of my home fishing club members(and some past members) are also members of the team in question. Not that THEY did anything wrong... but as a club president I'm somewhat concerned when my fellow members are (albeit only by association) on a "team" involved in controversy. I've dealt with my share of controversies - nothing good comes from them and if they are substantiated it reflects poorly on a "recreational" organization.

DZ

[QUOTE=BassDawg;624398]i have to wholeheartedly, and with much RESPECT, disagree!!

there is NO TAINT to Team Striper's WIN!!

one guy cheated, HE was removed from their totals,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
LEGITIMATE points were/will replace the illegitimate ones
and we and The Cup moves on. QUOTE]

You and I are actually agreeing. please read my post again. If you misinterpreted my words than I am sorry I wasnt clear enough. I DO think their win should stand as long as their next biggest LEGAL fish still puts them in #1 spot. And I never said they all cheated just because one person did. when I said they would be "guilty by association and rumors" it was because some stated already that other team members may have been aware of the cheating......is that not assuming guilt by association or rumor?

Personally I have witnessed cheating in the past in tournaments and so my opinion has been formed that there is always the POSSIBILITY for cheating in any tournament.Therefore thats why I dont believe in them. It is sad, yes. They should be fun but I have seen it turn to this one too many times and just cant stomach it. Is it really worth it?

OOOOOO, basswipe!
i'm skeeeered now too!!
NOT!!!



have your opinion, no prob,,,,,,,,,,,,,:smash: :smash:

but to state that NOW everyone else should follow your position is somehwat grandiose, doan ya think? perhaps you didn't enter cuz you don't do so well when pitted against other high hookers? or, is the deadline thing too much pressh for ya? or, simply you don't like meat tourneys?

whichever, or for whatever reason, state it for what it is~~
but, to blame OTW and its signature event, or to just universally condemn tournament fishing sounds like someone with an axe to grind and it is not related to the case, in point, here! what's wrong bw, did they not deliver a coupla issues last year?
:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

for me, the Striper Cup was a BLAST!!
i thought that it was very well run ~considering the scope and magnitude of such a HUGE event. LOVED the Team competition and the added excitement that comes with following the totals board, seeing who's won for which week, and checking for the angler of the year race ~~which was a tight one this season and very inspiring!! the added bonus is the big shindig that gets thrown next weekend on tha Hahbah to commemorate this 2008 Season, the HIGHS and the LOWS!!!
:jump: :jump: :jump:


something tells me that the POSITIVES of this Year's Striper Cup
will far, faaaaar OUTWEIGH the negatives or the misgivings of the FEW:heybaby: :heybaby: :heybaby:

Huh?

Don't lay into me Dawg.That is my opinion.

Competative tournaments breed sh!thouse attitudes just like yours.I guess my opinion just don't count ,which is one that would rather fish for charity than personal profit.The effing prize don't mean sh!t,those that are helped mean everything.

PS Dawg where the FVck in my post did I state this:
"well, if WE follow that irrational, then we should ALL withdraw because of the alleged illegal actions of one LOSER!??!

ya gotta be sheeeting me, MAN!one guy efff's up and NOW the whole Tourney is suspect, tainted,
not worthy of basswipe's participation. who gives a rat's arse??"

I never mentioned the aformentioned violator anywhere in my post.I'm curious Dawg as to how you interpreted that I even had an opinion on the accused or the team he was involved in.Please explain.My only statement was is that I don't fish the type of tournament that this guy/team were involved in because IMO they suck.

News flash:USA=IMO.Deal.

So,according to you Dawg,fishing for charity must be lame.Did I interpret your opinion wrong?Probably not but that's how i see it.

Read between the quotes Dawg and then look at the studity(size) of this thread.

My opinion is valid and I'll damn well stand by it,I EARNED that right.You don't like it...then move on and don't reply dammit!

Bassdawg....I think basswipe was just saying that this ain't his cup of tea....don't think he meant we all needed to stop participating.

Exactly.

Can't understand why Dawg took such offense.

I AM SPARTACUS.

This is interesting to say the least. I have to tread lightly here with my comments. I've never been a fan of this tourney but to their credit OTW has tried to improve it over the years. For the first time this season I just checked the club standings. I'm somewhat surprised that a few of my home fishing club members(and some past members) are also members of the team in question. Not that THEY did anything wrong... but as a club president I'm somewhat concerned when my fellow members are (albeit only by association) on a "team" involved in controversy. I've dealt with my share of controversies - nothing good comes from them and if they are substantiated it reflects poorly on a "recreational" organization.

DZ

To be honest Dennis, I'm somewhat surprised to see you go down this road. Not only are you aware Sean is not a member of the club but there is also the fact that your implications may rub some of the members the wrong way. Perhaps this is a subject that would be better discussed at a meeting or in a newsletter. I would guess there are some folks you are associated with that have made poor decisions in the past. If you decided to abandon them as a result of poor judgement so be it. I can't see a personal friend of the accused turning their back on him as a result of the allegations. Nor do I anticipate a member sponsoring Sean for membership. I would venture to guess no one would have even put the pieces together unless you had brought it up. If you are afraid of tarnishing the reputation of the Newport Club perhaps more discretion would be advised.
Chris Daniels

I've put teams together before, not for fishing tourneys but for other sport activities. In putting those teams together, each individual is chosen based on his honesty first, talent 2nd. To me, to win dishonestly, is NOT winning...period. I believe a team-mate is a reflection of the team and the team a reflection of it's members. I believe Team Striper SHOULD remove itself completely based on their poor decision in picking their players or allowing people to join.

I agree 100% with this. Thing is, I wouldn't want to be the team that wins when the other team is DQ'ed. I believe in honest play, and I want to win honestly, I don't want to win because the team that beat me cheated to win. I worked my ass of this year to weigh somthing in, it didn't happen. But I didn't borrow a fish from my brother, or weigh in a charter caught fish -- both things I could have done.

Cheaters will always cheat, and there will never be a 100% honest tournament, there never has and there never will. It is sad, but these things will happen, you only hope it isn't somone on your side bringing you down.

For the love of Christ, would somebody euthanize this %$%$%$%$ing thread :hs:

For the love of Christ, would somebody euthanize this %$%$%$%$ing thread :hs:

Hehehehe - good idea. Closed and going away....