So the pundits are saying McCain needs to win, I dont see that happening. Can I stand another hour and a half of the same old BS from these guys, the same talking points? The first two were boring, how can this one be any different?

So the pundits are saying McCain needs to win, I dont see that happening. Can I stand another hour and a half of the same old BS from these guys, the same talking points? The first two were boring, how can this one be any different?

Because McCain has some real zingers lined up, that he's going to botch, and it's going to be very humorus :hee:

I'm going to watch it because I'm a junkie, and as it is the last debate that at least should make it more interesting.

-spence

Yes. I plan on drinking every time I hear these terms.. "change", "My friends", "maverick", "economy" and "arab"

Don't forget to slam the Whole beer when you hear all 5 words in the same sentence.

"My Friends, This here Maverick is going to Change this economy for the better, Unlike this A-rab sittin over here"

Personally i'd rather see Mc Caine debate Michelle tonight.

When all is said and done ,she's the one who will be running the country. :hee:

If you hear a gosh darn it or joe six pack then you need to suck the whole case that's like the holy grail of drinking games :hihi:

youbetcha:cheers2:

hehe that's one I forgot nebster :alien:

youbetcha:cheers2:

If you hear a gosh darn it or joe six pack then you need to suck the whole case that's like the holy grail of drinking games :hihi:

Close...we had Joe the Plumber. Thats worth a swig...or 2

:rolleyes:

Joe the Plumber again...Drink


I forgot are we supposed to chug for "Cock-a-mamie"

Joe the Plumber again.....yeehaw Drink Up

my friends!! burp.

No 'that other guy'

WHAT IS THE FINE????

Wow, they just said that Joe the Plumber was mentioned 20 times....by McCain alone...I'm behind...I need to drink.

:gu::gu::gu::gu::gu::gu::gu::gu::gu::gu::gu::gu:

So the pundits are saying McCain needs to win, I dont see that happening. Can I stand another hour and a half of the same old BS from these guys, the same talking points? The first two were boring, how can this one be any different?

Nothing really that new as you expected.

Obama stayed the steady course, and was obviously sitting on his hands many times when he could have really attacked. I don't think he's doing a good job explaining his tax policy.

McCain certinaly had his most aggressive showing and while he did bring up some good points, his attacks really seemed to be flailing. He was like a cranky old man, just trying to throw issues out without ever explaining what they meant to voters. I thought his trying to get the last word in, especially toward the end was very weak. Obama just let him go...

I'm sure McCain supporters will score this a win as he was more on the attack, I'd have to give it to Obama or even score a wash simply because McCain didn't let any blood, which is in turn a victory for Obama. I'd note that many network focus groups including Fox News thought Obama killed him, which did surprise me a bit.

-spence

Wow, they just said that Joe the Plumber was mentioned 20 times....by McCain alone...I'm behind...I need to drink.

Oh god.

:gu::sleeps::crying:

This will surprise you, I thought McCain hit on all the points he had to. While he is every bit as unsmooth in front of the camara as Bush,I think he shut Obama upon the whole Bush thing. Fact is we just don't know who Obama is, and that scares the hell out of me.

I'm glad I didn't drink every time I heard "Look" at the start of a statement and the mention of Bush.

the kids poll.... which has always been rather accurate

came out Obama 57% .... Mc cain 39% 4% undecided


so there we have it....:jester:

Mcpain was on the attack more. Obama just was trying to absorb the punches and not give Mcpain a major talking point. It was funny watching Mcpain say something and try to misrepresent Obama's platform and then Obama would say "you wrong". Mcpain won't have as large of an audience any other time and doesn't have enough $ or time to win. I'm still made at myself for not offering up plug bets when Mcpain had that small jump after the rep. convention.

I thought McCain was beat on the last two debates, but thought he did a good job on the issues last night.
1. The Joe the plummer, - guess what? Obamas tax will hurt the common man
2. Columbia and free trade - willing to talk to CHavez , but not trade with an ally
3. Im not Bush
4. Senator Obama, when have you fought against your party? I voted, I voted, I voted. No - what did you DO? Silence..

McCain blew the Ayers thing, here is the money shot that should have been dropped-
McCain: I do not think Sen Obama is a terrorist, nor do I think he is a bad man. I truly believ ehe has the best intentions. However, If I was asked to go to teh house of someone that commited the crimes Ayers did, I would refuse. If I was in the Trinity Church and heard the type of preaching practice there, I would have left. This is not a question of Sen Obamas character, its a question of his judment. Would would you, the average American have done if you were in that church or if you were asked to go to Bill Ayers house?

If he did that, he would win the election.

The average American doesn't know who Bill Ayers is!

I thought about watching it.
but
1. My mind is pretty much made up
2. I'd rather fish than hear Joe the Plumber My Friends
3. You nailed what was going to happen, Obama sits quietly, McCain attacks. it ends up mostly a draw as far as polls will go...

And yes, McCain voted against his party, but a damn high majority of the time he tows the company line, so I'm getting tired of hear that. Also, I love that McCain is now a 'change' candidate as well.
Sick of that word in the debate too.

I'm bored.
Where's the rest of my Joe-beer six pack.
Wrestling is on.

1. The Joe the plummer, - guess what? Obamas tax will hurt the common man

It will? How? Explain it.

2. Columbia and free trade - willing to talk to CHavez , but not trade with an ally

Columbia is run by one thing. Cocaine.

3. Im not Bush

Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

4. Senator Obama, when have you fought against your party? I voted, I voted, I voted. No - what did you DO? Silence..

Who cares?

McCain blew the Ayers thing, here is the money shot that should have been dropped

The Ayers thing is a non-subject. Just more politicizing and playing buzz words like "terrorist".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDVM7ODUBn8

He looks like the dude from GhostHunters...

Likwid, the people that make over 250K are the people that make jobs, invest, and spend.
You believe its better to take there $ and give it to the government? How much of that will actually make it back into the system once the government takes its share?

Likwid, the people that make over 250K are the people that make jobs, invest, and spend.
You believe its better to take there $ and give it to the government? How much of that will actually make it back into the system once the government takes its share?

You just don't listen do you?
Thats ok.

The people who make over 250 a year are smart enough to know that if they dont want their money to go to the gubmint, they will reinvest their earnings into their own business and hire more people so that THEY will win and not the gubmint. Come on jim, do i have to explain everything to you :rollem:

I will use myself for an example.. Joe Glass Artist.

lets say I cleared 450 G's after expenses last year..I know this and am sitting on a big chunk of change that I dont want to give to Obama.. What am I going to do?? Well... I would dump that extra $200 grand into marketing, new equipment, new materials for R&D, throw a huge studio party (entertainment expense) and basically cook my books down to only earning 249 thousand. Its perfectly legal and Its in everyone's best interest that I do it... Infact, like it or not, I just stimulated the economy way more than a stupid $300 stimulus check
Joe Glass Artists and Joe Plumber's main problem right now is that the ecomomy is in such a crappy spot now that its going to be really hard to think in those terms for a few years..

Hell, you can make just about anything a business expense.

I see your liberal ethics shining through.

Not the case though for RIJImmy and spouse who work for people, get paid well and still have to sock away as much cash as possible in order to send kids to college, who will get penalized for grants/loans becasue their parents make $ and yet there parents are penalized becasue of their salaris and have to pay higher taxes! What incentive!

Shouldn't you in the proper right wing fashion be telling your kids to suck it up and pay their own way?

Hell, I wrote off lunch with Nebe!

You just don't listen do you?
Thats ok.

I dont have to listen because I live it. My parents, no college education, yet sent me and my sister to college and still vacationed and lived good lives. How? Hard work? Govt assistance required? NONE!

Me, wife and I both work, bust are arses to get ahead and have succeded! My wife came to this country from India when se was 11, public schools, got a job working a bank shift at night to put herself through college, took her 8 years for an undergrad degree.
please tell me why I need to sacrfice for LAZY PEOPLE. We had no silver spoon, just a strong work ethic.

Shouldn't you in the proper right wing fashion be telling your kids to suck it up and pay their own way?

Hell, I wrote off lunch with Nebe!

I think thats the liberal fashion. I take care of my own and THOUGHT about my obligations before reproducing.

Jim, I suggest you start a consultation business. :heybaby: I have and write off $20 for every post on this forum.. :rotfl: ... not really.

Obamas pitch is that he is about Change and a Uniter. He really is just :anti-bush" whihc I cant blame the american public for supporting given Bush;s performance but look at this Interesting from factcheck.org.

Obama strained to portray himself as willing to break ranks with fellow Democrats. His prime example was his vote for a bill that was supported by 18 Democrats and opposed by 26. Congressional Quarterly rates him as voting with his party 97 percent of the time since becoming a U.S. senator.

Not much of a uniter and not one for independant thought.

I think thats the liberal fashion. I take care of my own and THOUGHT about my obligations before reproducing.

See, you're confused about liberalism.
Liberalism is pandering to people and giving them everything they want, just like you paying your children's college education.

Now make like a good righty and kick em out!

See, you're confused about liberalism.
Liberalism is pandering to people and giving them everything they want, just like you paying your children's college education.

Now make like a good righty and kick em out!

then I couldnt claim them as dependants on my taxes.

I dont have to listen because I live it. My parents, no college education, yet sent me and my sister to college and still vacationed and lived good lives. How? Hard work? Govt assistance required? NONE!

Me, wife and I both work, bust are arses to get ahead and have succeded! My wife came to this country from India when se was 11, public schools, got a job working a bank shift at night to put herself through college, took her 8 years for an undergrad degree.
please tell me why I need to sacrfice for LAZY PEOPLE. We had no silver spoon, just a strong work ethic.



Posts like these are moonbat kryptonite.

You are working to Hard Jim, slow up and smell the roses. You didn't hear? Weez gonna 'spread the wealth.':rollem:

Posts like these are moonbat kryptonite.

OH MY GOD IT WAS SUCH A BLASTING!
MAN JUST NO REPLY COULD BE MADE IN RESPONSE!


WITTY RETORT BRAVO BRAVO

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If he did that, he would win the election.
No, he would have just scored some points. Anybody who understands the Wright and Ayers issues have heard the story and already made up their minds. This would have been no knockout blow, not even close.

-spence

No knockout blows last night.
Just grumpy old man whining.

Let's talk about the Keating Five for a while

did you guys see the latest McCain ad! Whoa, this is an attack, scroll down to view!

http://www.videovat.com/videos/971/chappelle-keeping-real.aspx

http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/15/smallbusiness/small_biz_taxes_factcheck.smb/index.htm?postversion=2008101612

Fact check: Plumber Joe's taxes

McCain has entrepreneurs spooked about tax hikes, but fewer than 2% of small business owners would pay more under Obama's plan.

Just listening to it now.

Would someone please tell McCain drilling now WILL NOT drop the price of oil in the short term!!

Please?!

OH MY GOD IT WAS SUCH A BLASTING!
MAN JUST NO REPLY COULD BE MADE IN RESPONSE!


WITTY RETORT BRAVO BRAVO

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i113/lazergunpewpew/ooooo.gif

I just knocked hot tea all over my desk, laughing my ass off!!!!!

Posts like these are moonbat kryptonite.


Too much Dennis and Callahan, Bronko :hihi:
You don't call her 'Our Sarah' do you? :D:D:D

Too much Dennis and Callahan, Bronko :hihi:
You don't call her 'Our Sarah' do you? :D:D:D

I do like D&C even though I can't stand Gerry Callahan. He gives conservatives a bad name. He is one of the biggest neo-cons I have ever heard.

Just your terms:
Moonbat is their favorite.

I f'ing hate that a sports station, during MLB playoffs is 90% politics in the morning.
if I click over and thats their topic, I switch it.
They are losing me as a listener, I'm sure I'm not alone...

ok, hijack over

According to Obama 95% of Americans will get a tax break which means 40% will get a check in the mail. I can't see how he is going to close the deficit with that math.

According to Obama 95% of Americans will get a tax break which means 40% will get a check in the mail. I can't see how he is going to close the deficit with that math.

What was the deficit that Bush inherited? What is it now?

What was the deficit Bush I left Slick Willie?

According to Obama 95% of Americans will get a tax break which means 40% will get a check in the mail. I can't see how he is going to close the deficit with that math.
Simple, if 95% of the people have more money they'll either:

1) Save it which will help solve our long-term credit addiction that's weakened our economy or

2) Spend it which will increase the revenues of businesses and increasing corporate tax revenues. With increased revenues business will be able to pay their employees more increasing individual tax revenues and invest for future growth.

Increased tax revenues can be used to pay down the defecit, assuming that spending is under control. This remains to be a giagantic problem regardless of who's in charge.

It's funny how for the GOP, more money in the pocket seems to be a good thing when it's the investor class, and a bad thing when it's the working class.

Trickle up and trickle down are not mutually exclusive.

-spence

trickle up makes the rich nervous..

:cheers:

[QUOTE=boot man;629343]What was the deficit that Bush inherited? What is it now?

This is the total nation debt growth. Those are trillions. More shocking when you add all the zeros

1999 5,656,000,000,000
2000 5,674,000,000,000
2005 7,933,000,000,000
2007 9,008,000,000,000
2008 10,024,700,000,000--estimated= already broke the national debt clock when it hit 10 trillion.

I thought that Republicans are fiscal conservatives and do not run up big deficits.

The following is admittedly from a Bill Clinton website in 1999 but the contrast is astounding:


President Clinton: The United States on Track to Pay Off the Debt by End of the Decade

December 28, 2000

Today, President Clinton will announce that The United States is on course to eliminate its public debt within the next decade. The Administration also announced that we are projected to pay down $237 billion in debt in 2001. Due in part to a strong economy and the President’s commitment to fiscal discipline, the federal fiscal condition has improved for an unprecedented nine consecutive years. Based upon today’s new economic and budget projections for the coming 10 years from the Office of Management and Budget (OMB):

The United States can be debt-free this decade. By dedicating the entire budget surplus to debt reduction, The United States can eliminate its publicly held debt by FY 2009. The next Administration and Congress will need to decide what priorities to address: eliminate the public debt by FY 2010 and still use part of the surplus for responsible tax cuts, prescription drug benefits for Medicare recipients, and investments in key priorities like education and health care.
The national debt is projected to be paid down by $237 billion this year. Under the budget President Clinton and Congress completed two weeks ago, the U.S. is projected to pay down $237 billion of the national debt in FY 2001.
The 4 year total debt paydown will be $600 billion. Over the last three years, we have already paid down $363 billion in debt. Therefore, The United States is on track to reduce the debt by $600 billion over four years, the largest four-year debt pay-down ever.
Record deficits have become record surpluses. This Administration has have moved the country from a deficit of $290 billion in FY 1992 to an expected surplus of $256 billion in FY 2001. Eight years ago, the Congressional Budget Office projected a $513 billion deficit in FY 2001. Thus, the fiscal picture is now projected to improve by $769 billion in FY 2001 alone.
Nine consecutive years of fiscal improvement. FY 2001 will be the fourth year in a row of overall surpluses and the second year in a row of a surplus without counting Social Security or Medicare. It will be the ninth consecutive year of fiscal improvement, the longest such period in history



Yeah I am afraid of those insane big spending Democrats.

If not for the blow jobs, Gore would have won and we would not be in this disaster. Fuc-k You Bill Clinton its all your fault.

disgusting..

Look,(if I may open a statement like your hero) if you think you will see a penny of a tax break under Obama then you are a sucker. Haven't we learned anything about politicians. That is all he is, a politician with no firm beliefs or record to proof to me at least, who he is. Once again the same old " Bush this and Bush that". Give it a rest. I'm looking forward and worry about what kind of country my kids, will raise their kids in. I won't vote for Obama, he hasn't proofed to me that he will do whats best for them.

Look,(if I may open a statement like your hero) if you think you will see a penny of a tax break under Obama then you are a sucker. Haven't we learned anything about politicians. That is all he is, a politician with no firm beliefs or record to proof to me at least, who he is. Once again the same old " Bush this and Bush that". Give it a rest. I'm looking forward and worry about what kind of country my kids, will raise their kids in. I won't vote for Obama, he hasn't proofed to me that he will do whats best for them.
Any so why is McCain any different?

-spence

well it looks like we shall find out doesnt it :hihi:

Sorry I am in the mood to get all of this off my chest.

If the US is a football team, we had a few losing years and this year is a total collapse- we are now 1-15 and are getting blown out in every game. Mr. Bush is the head coach and Mr. Cheney is assistant head coach. Mr. McCain is on the staff-there is no denying it. even if he is wide receiver coach or assistant in charge of quality control- he is on the coaching staff. So what happens in football when you are 1-15? Do you promote the wide receiver coach or linebacker coach that wants to run the same offense with a few new plays? Or do you bring in a new guy with a whole new coaching staff. In football - you bring in a whole new staff

Who would be on McCains's coaching staff and who would be on oBama's staff. The staff includes the Secretary of State and their entire staffs, Secretary of the Treasury and their staffs, Secretary of Defense and their staffs, Secretary of Energy and their staffs, Interior, DEP, Commerce, Attorney General, Justice Department, HUD, FBI, National Security Agency, SEC, Education,Supreme Court Justices. You don't just get a head coach and thats it. There are hundreds of assistant coaches that help run this country.

Is McCain going to replace all of these people that are loyal republicans? No. All of these advisors to Bush that gave him terrible advice and lead him into trouble will still be around and influencing McCain.

If Obama wins, he appoints his coaching staff. Even if people hate him- they don't think he is stupid. He is not stupid. I think that he would appoint smart people. Clinton appointed smart people. Smart people with fresh outlooks come up with the ideas to solve the problems. We need some new thinkers, new plans. The new plans won't be just a handout. Obama believes in family responsibility. We just can't continue being pissed off that unemployable people with no skills just sit on their asses. There is extreme poverty in this county that is a disgrace.

I love republicans- my wife is a republican- In my experience, republicans are the more charitable and volunteer more than Democrats, they are the salt of the earth--but the republican head coach and his staff have totally failed their fans. They really do not have the same values of their fans. They are beholding to what they perceive as the owners of the team- the top 1%.

We need a new coaching staff just as much if not more than new head coach. USA USA USA

trickle up makes the rich nervous..

Trickle down makes the poor lazy.

Sorry I am in the mood to get all of this off my chest.

If the US is a football team, we had a few losing years and this year is a total collapse- we are now 1-15 and are getting blown out in every game. Mr. Bush is the head coach and Mr. Cheney is assistant head coach. Mr. McCain is on the staff-there is no denying it. even if he is wide receiver coach or assistant in charge of quality control- he is on the coaching staff. So what happens in football when you are 1-15? Do you promote the wide receiver coach or linebacker coach that wants to run the same offense with a few new plays? Or do you bring in a new guy with a whole new coaching staff. In football - you bring in a whole new staff

Who would be on McCains's coaching staff and who would be on oBama's staff. The staff includes the Secretary of State and their entire staffs, Secretary of the Treasury and their staffs, Secretary of Defense and their staffs, Secretary of Energy and their staffs, Interior, DEP, Commerce, Attorney General, Justice Department, HUD, FBI, National Security Agency, SEC, Education,Supreme Court Justices. You don't just get a head coach and thats it. There are hundreds of assistant coaches that help run this country.

Is McCain going to replace all of these people that are loyal republicans? No. All of these advisors to Bush that gave him terrible advice and lead him into trouble will still be around and influencing McCain.

If Obama wins, he appoints his coaching staff. Even if people hate him- they don't think he is stupid. He is not stupid. I think that he would appoint smart people. Clinton appointed smart people. Smart people with fresh outlooks come up with the ideas to solve the problems. We need some new thinkers, new plans. The new plans won't be just a handout. Obama believes in family responsibility. We just can't continue being pissed off that unemployable people with no skills just sit on their asses. There is extreme poverty in this county that is a disgrace.

I love republicans- my wife is a republican- In my experience, republicans are the more charitable and volunteer more than Democrats, they are the salt of the earth--but the republican head coach and his staff have totally failed their fans. They really do not have the same values of their fans. They are beholding to what they perceive as the owners of the team- the top 1%.

We need a new coaching staff just as much if not more than new head coach. USA USA USA

Didn't the Patriots try this with #^&#^&#^&#^& MacPherson? How'd that work out for them?

Many people "in the KNOW " have already predicted OBAMA will win...

maybe not by a landslide .... but by a sufficient margin.

so the debates now are rather meaningless.... barring any screw-up's... of course...

oh that's right John just announced he screwed up....:sspam:

Trickle down makes the poor lazy.

sounds like you should vote for obama then...:kewl:

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/update-thursday-final-debate/768721/

Eben;
even a Unicorn reference!

Didn't the Patriots try this with #^&#^&#^&#^& MacPherson? How'd that work out for them?

Great analogy:claps: I'm thinking Obama would appoint for coaches the party that lifted him to his current position. Pelosi, Reed,Dodd, not Hillary because she's a threat. You want change your going to get change. They will change this country forever and you people that vote him in will blame someone else. It's the liberal way

Look- in 1990 Rod Rust ( kind of like W ) was 1-15. In 1991 MacPherson came in. The Patriots went 6-10- a five win increase which at that time of no free agency was one of the biggest turn-arounds in NFL history and he received consideration for coach of the year honors. Which proves that change of coaches improves the team. Only problem is that in 1992- he must have hired a bunch of republican coaches. :laughs:

They will change this country forever and you people that vote him in will blame someone else. It's the liberal way


Wow, Republicans NEVER blame anybody....Thats news to me.

I'm pretty sure that I can gloss through some threads and find some examples if i really wanted to.

Bottom line....Its ALWAYS somebody elses fault :rolleyes:...has nothing to do with party Affiliation.


and If I find posts by you in other threads that show you blaming somebody else, does that make you a liberal....

Great analogy:claps: I'm thinking Obama would appoint for coaches the party that lifted him to his current position. Pelosi, Reed,Dodd, not Hillary because she's a threat. You want change your going to get change. They will change this country forever and you people that vote him in will blame someone else. It's the liberal way

The way I see it, if Bush is the coach, Cheney is assistant coach and his team is his cabinet and other high ranking advisors.. The economy and the american people are the fans watching the game.

A victory for obama means a new club all together.. so long coach, so long assistant coach and so long offensive line up who hasnt scored a touchdown since '01... you remember that play right? the one that they keep playing over and over again to rally the fans???

According to Obama 95% of Americans will get a tax break.


Will that be before or after he rolls back the Bush tax cuts?

Three trillion $ in new spending programs, and only the top 5% are going to pay for them. :rolleyes:
Believe that and i got a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

He better start taking magician's lessons.

If Obama gets in we'll be playing football with our feet, like the Euroupeans

Ya, govt. regulations will reqiure helmets and full pads paid for by the the top 5%. :D