so long mr president.. sooo long. :rtfm:

Yep, so long Mr. Bush :kewl: hello America, it's ours again (I hope).

Abe would be happy and MLK did not die in vain.

This is a historic day for the USA and the world.

Good Luck to the incoming.

Thanks to the outgoing.

Jeb Bush 2012!!! SIKE

Yep, so long Mr. Bush :kewl: hello America, it's ours again (I hope).

Abe would be happy and MLK did not die in vain.

This is a historic day for the USA and the world.

Flap, that makes me chuckle, you do know that despite an extremely unpopular republican president and a lame republican candidate, Obama only won by 3% of the popular vote. Not so sure that your comment that America is "ours" again is a reality.

He actually won by a 7.2% margin
52.9% - 45.7% = 7.2%

He actually won by a 7.2% margin
52.9% - 45.7% = 7.2%

I discounted for illegal immigrants and dead people....:rotf3:

I can't wait for Obama to be sworn in so I can flip and start blaming him for everything. Been watching Hannity to brush up on my technique.

I can't wait for Obama to be sworn in so I can flip and start blaming him for everything. Been watching Hannity to brush up on my technique.

You had 8 years to brush up on the technique. There were plenty of examples all around you.

I can't wait for Obama to be sworn in so I can flip and start blaming him for everything. Been watching Hannity to brush up on my technique.

I'm in!

Lets start with a projected $170-$200 million coronation.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Inauguration/story?id=6665946&page=1

We are bitching about CEO'S flying to hearings in private planes, yet the man to get us out of this mess throws himself a week long party? I just thought change would look different... he spent roughly $40 million more than Bush & Clinton.

Wouldn't change have been a scaled down ceremony and asking the private investors to donate the overage to the poor or throw it towards our deficit? A little over the top no?

Think of it as an Economic Stimulus Package....its going out to the businesses isn't it :hee:

Wasn't his first campaign promise to bring the troops home???? The clock starts now.......

Wasn't his first campaign promise to bring the troops home???? The clock starts now.......

Followed closely by his tax cuts. :jester:

I think the cost is a bit excessive, but it also appears they're trying to provide for the giagantic crowds. Bush and Clinton didn't have this kind of following.

A significant amount of the additional cost can be attributed to added security.

Two major differences between Obama and Bush or Clinton:
-Nowhere near 2 million people for their addresses
-They weren't black

Unfortunately, even in 2009, just being black makes it significantly more dangerous for him to stand outside.

A significant amount of the additional cost can be attributed to added security.

Two major differences between Obama and Bush or Clinton:
-Nowhere near 2 million people for their addresses
-They weren't black

Unfortunately, even in 2009, just being black makes it significantly more dangerous for him to stand outside.

Technically, Obama's bi-racial, although blacks identify with him as one of their own. His mom was white.

I agree with the security. What could possibly damage this country's image right now, more than a secutity incident at the inauguration? Today say's a lot about how far the country has come as far as race relations and tolerance, but there's still a long way to go.

Technically, Obama's bi-racial, although blacks identify with him as one of their own. His mom was white.

Absolutely right. But, turn on the news and "today is a historic as the first African-American President is inaugurated."

While an educated person like many on this board understand the difference, I highly doubt someone that dislikes Obama for being black would say "oh, since he has some white in him, I guess he's ok."

Hell, my roommate's girlfriend said to me just a few weeks ago "well, Obama *is* a Muslim so I can see why some people are upset." Even in this day of the internet, some people's blatant ignorance is astounding to me.

You're right. He's the very definition of "African American". I did see on the MSN homepage this morning that he was being referred to as "black" though. I guess I am just amused that he's every bit as much white as black and he's really only referred to as black by most people.

If you saw him on the street and didn't know him, would you say to yourself that he's black, white or bi-racial?

Jeb Bush 2012!!! SIKE

:deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse:

I'm in!

Lets start with a projected $170-$200 million coronation.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Inauguration/story?id=6665946&page=1

We are bitching about CEO'S flying to hearings in private planes, yet the man to get us out of this mess throws himself a week long party? I just thought change would look different... he spent roughly $40 million more than Bush & Clinton.

Wouldn't change have been a scaled down ceremony and asking the private investors to donate the overage to the poor or throw it towards our deficit? A little over the top no?

Don't forget the new Presidental Battlewagon, they made a bunch of them at several million each

If you saw him on the street and didn't know him, would you say to yourself that he's black, white or bi-racial?

I'd just say to myself that he's a human being. I wasn't raised to notice skin color on people.

Don't forget the new Presidental Battlewagon, they made a bunch of them at several million each

And Bush rode around in a Yugo?

No he didn't and I didn't say that.

And Bush rode around in a Yugo?

Not quite....:hihi:

Cool...they finally took the training wheels off for him :kewl:

I wonder if he's got a bubblegum card stuck in the spokes so it goes Vrooomm Vrooomm

I think the cost is a bit excessive, but it also appears they're trying to provide for the giagantic crowds. Bush and Clinton didn't have this kind of following.

Their followers actually had jobs to be at.

And can't stand on a Segway

Their followers actually had jobs to be at.

That is the best response ever in the political forums! :lama:

Their followers actually had jobs to be at.

:hihi:

Where's the rod rack?

I'd just say to myself that he's a human being. I wasn't raised to notice skin color on people.

But you've thought enough about it to say that He's the very definition of "African American". :huh:

That is the best response ever in the political forums! :lama:
in more ways than 1.

Their followers actually had jobs to be at.

The closet politico speaks.....:laugha:

not everyone is sharing the optomism...

The dawn of the Obama presidency could not shake Wall Street from its dejection over the banking industry's growing problems. After hearing the new president's inaugural address Tuesday, investors went back to unloading stocks, sending the major indexes down more than 3 percent and the Dow Jones industrials down more than 300 points. Traders on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange paused at times to watch the inauguration ceremony and Obama's remarks, but the transition of power didn't erase investors' intensifying concerns about the struggling economy.

yugo Bush

not everyone is sharing the optomism...

The dawn of the Obama presidency could not shake Wall Street from its dejection over the banking industry's growing problems. After hearing the new president's inaugural address Tuesday, investors went back to unloading stocks, sending the major indexes down more than 3 percent and the Dow Jones industrials down more than 300 points. Traders on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange paused at times to watch the inauguration ceremony and Obama's remarks, but the transition of power didn't erase investors' intensifying concerns about the struggling economy.

Statements like yours just give you less credibility.

Stocks were down based on concern about banks/earnings. In fact, the last part of the sentence seemed to indicate that investors were in fact optomistic but were concerned about the struggling economy Obama is stuck with.

Statements like yours just give you less credibility.

Stocks were down based on concern about banks/earnings. In fact, the last part of the sentence seemed to indicate that investors were in fact optomistic but were concerned about the struggling economy Obama is stuck with.

uhhhh, ok Paul, does this help my credibility,,,,,I clearly said some were less optomistic, is that not a fact?

It was the Dow's worst Inauguration Day performance in its 113-year history. Stocks fell to their lowest level in two months as fears about the banking system overpowered President Barack Obama's speech about hope

Jimmy, I don't know you from Adam, except what I read here. And while I try to respect another's opinions, I have to wonder if you just shoot from the hip on all things in your life...

Yesterday's performance in the Dow Jones Industrials Average was not a gauge of what the incoming administration means. It was a direct result of a major Boston bank, State Street, revealing that they had not marked to market many of their portfolios, and would be reducing net assets by billions.... (criminal in my eyes, but who cares what I think) This revelation by what was previously seen as a safe bank, sent new shock waves through the bailout ridden banking industry. State Street got cut in half. Other banks were sold off. That was the simple big story of the investment day. The markets don't care where they end up in the history of inauguration days, nor do they take time off for the pomp and celebration. To say that yesterday's market performance had anything to do with the change in Washington, or the message Obama is sending, is truly an uneducated, ill-informed statement.

my point was that - not everyone shares the optimism. It was the FIRST TIME IN 113 YEARS THAT THE DOW WENT DOWN ON INNAUGRATION DAY.

It made headelines to that FACT. I shared the fact. I made ZERO commentary other than Obamas speech did not change the markets. It was noted MANY, MANY times that when Bush spoke, the markets went down, I guess I can't say that about Obama......


so NF, please tell me I voiced "my opinion"? You are INCORRECTLY interpeting my posts that Obama made the markets go down. that was not my point at all.

this just proves how much damage was done under bush's watch..

my point was that - not everyone shares the optimism. It was the FIRST TIME IN 113 YEARS THAT THE DOW WENT DOWN ON INNAUGRATION DAY.

It made headelines to that FACT.

C'mon now...The Liberal Media wouldn't report that kind of negative stuff :hee:

Jimmy i have to say it...

your to quick on the draw

to rain on the parade ...
~

spread some sunshine brother...

see the glass half full sometimes

no offense meant...just an observation...

so..........don't worry - be happy

today's the first day that BUSH is NOT in office

so whistle up a tune ....and rejoice...

Me and Nebe are...

it's like Fred Astaire dancing in the rain kind of happiness :happy:

and PS. think only of fishing :rolleyes:

Yep Raven. I am whistling Dixie.. :gu:

Sorry, I am someone that lets reality get in the way of things.
Hope! Change!

I can see now what I'm dealing with here.... So headlines equal fact?.... And you really believe that Bush remarks actually had as much effect on the markets as the talking heads would have you believe?... Misinformation disseminated by the media, amongst others, has both made and lost billions.

I should have known better than to pass through the political forum... I just don't believe in posts to restate what I meant to say in a previous post, nor hide behind edited posts. While not saying that is what RIJ is doing, it is clear to me what the tone of his initial, unedited posts were meant to be. No upside to be gained through these type of "discussions", as they mostly evolve into an exchange of insults. I'm outta here.

\No upside to be gained through these type of "discussions", as they mostly evolve into an exchange of insults. I'm outta here.
but.. but... this thread is called 'Glorious day!'.. embrace the glorioiusness!!

I can see now what I'm dealing with here.... So headlines equal fact?.... And you really believe that Bush remarks actually had as much effect on the markets as the talking heads would have you believe?... Misinformation disseminated by the media, amongst others, has both made and lost billions.

I should have known better than to pass through the political forum... I just don't believe in posts to restate what I meant to say in a previous post, nor hide behind edited posts. While not saying that is what RIJ is doing, it is clear to me what the tone of his initial, unedited posts were meant to be. No upside to be gained through these type of "discussions", as they mostly evolve into an exchange of insults. I'm outta here.

huh? I never edited my original post. Look at the proof before you make a lame accusation, I edited my post before ANYONE responded as I added more content. When you're able to have an intelligent discussion, please come back. And BTW, yes politicians comments DO directly affect the market.

hide behind edited posts, now Im pissed. Actually, I did not edit TWO posts, I only edited the response to YOU as I added more content. I dont hide behind %$%$%$%$.
F-IN FACT, FACT, FACT THE FIRST TIME EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR the markets were DOWN on innaugureation !

hee hee! Its funny when it happens to Bush

Even as Bush spoke to a friendly audience in Birmingham, Ala., the Dow Jones industrial average was spiraling downward to 1997 lows. Bargain hunting in the afternoon prompted a rebound that cut losses on the Dow Jones industrials and sent the Nasdaq up slightly for the day.

Nevertheless, Congressional Democrats circulated e-mails showing photos of Bush delivering his speech on TV while graphics on the screen depicted the market falling. Jim Jordan, executive director of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, said, "His sermons and his policy proposals have pleased no one and frightened almost everyone."

little more

Take President Bush's corporate responsibility speech on July 9, with which his advisors said he "hoped to hearten traders and investors with harsh plans to crack down on corporate fraud -- and perhaps spark a rally," according to the Washington Post. When the market declined later that day and the next, it was therefore widely framed as a reaction to -- or a verdict on -- the speech. Rep. Ed Markey, D-Mass., went so far as to say on CNN's "Crossfire" that if Bush had asked for the resignation of Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman Harvey Pitt, "the market would have gone up instead of down. As the marketplace looked today at the reforms that were being proposed by the president, they didn't see enough teeth in them, and as a result, the market plummeted again."

Stock market drops 107 points during Bush’s speech on the economy.»
Today, President Bush gave an eight-minute speech on the economy, which was meant to reassure the markets. “This is an anxious time,” said Bush. “But the American people can be confident in our economic future.” However, ABC News notes that during those eight minutes, the Dow Jones dropped another 107 points. The Dow was down 78.70 at the beginning of Bush’s address, but at 185.66 by the end.

so my friends, in a thread that was titled - glorious day
I posted that not all share the optimism and a quote from the Wall Street Journal that for the first time in 113 years, the market was not up on innauguration day. I did not blame the decline on Obama, however, it would appear his message of hope did not overshadow the current states in the market. Historically Bush has taken heat over making the markets go down and I posted some backup. Take it as you will. NF - I dont like you questioning my integrity or misreading my posts and holding me to what YOU think I said. the proof is above.

this just proves how much damage was done under bush's watch..

there's no hands on his watch now because he's out of time :rotf3:

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c66/ravenob1/watch.jpg

Not one arrest with over 1.5 mil. people. That talks volumes of the spirit of this event.

Not one arrest with over 1.5 mil. people. That talks volumes of the spirit of this event.
so true :kewl:

Not one arrest with over 1.5 mil. people. That talks volumes of the spirit of this event.


Wow, I thought it would be virtually impossible to have that many people in one place without someone getting arrested. Great job by everyone involved. It would have been a shame if anything happened to shed a negative light on the event.

We won't discuss the large group booing and jeering President Bush. A damper on an otherwise nice event. Nebe, I thought I saw you on TV.

I guess Im a cynical bastard and there is no hope for me. How come when there is high security for Bush's innaugurauion, its a " lock down on Washington" and for Obama there is no mention other than the price tag?

http://www.democracynow.org/2005/1/20/lockdown_in_dc_unprecedented_security_for

If you havent figured it out by now, this is my main gripe in the political fourms, this double standard for liberals. Why I am so negative to Obama is becasue the truth will be shadowed by the press.

But you've thought enough about it to say that He's the very definition of "African American". :huh:

It didn't really take any thought because I know that he is both African and America, hence "African American". I was commenting on things I read, not labeling him as anything other than the President of the United States. But, if people insist on labeling him, they should get it right.

We get it Media Bias....we know...you've been banging that drum so loud for so long people don't hear it anymore.

One reason for "Lockdown" is because this was the 1st Inauguration since 911 and it had a different security model than anything like it before. Media thrives on hype...From "Storm of the Century" to "Just Believe" everything is a buzz word of sensationalism....gotta learn to ignore it. Your Blood pressure will thank you.

And considering that the Bush administration's main push for his second term was Keeping America Safe, i'm betting he LOVED this article using the term Lockdown....

and there are articles about the security concerns out there.....

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1872642,00.html?xid=rss-nation-cnn

I guess Im a cynical bastard and there is no hope for me. How come when there is high security for Bush's innaugurauion, its a " lock down on Washington" and for Obama there is no mention other than the price tag?

http://www.democracynow.org/2005/1/20/lockdown_in_dc_unprecedented_security_for

If you havent figured it out by now, this is my main gripe in the political fourms, this double standard for liberals. Why I am so negative to Obama is becasue the truth will be shadowed by the press.

its not the security concerns DF, its the spin that the "lockdown" was there to control the people.
Look at the press around the Republican National Convention, same thing.
Its all perception and the media feeds the notion of the evil Bush empire squashing free thought. I feel this stuff is so obvious and can't understand how you dont or choose not to see it.

I already agreed with you about all of that...i just choose to ignore it. I Don't Care about it. I take the facts out of an article and leave the spin where it belongs.....in the crapper

I've told you why I hate Bush...and it has nothing to do with Media Bias....it has to do with him being the most powerful man, in charge of the greatest nation, in the world....and acting like an idiot in public. His Stupid made up words, his moronic dancing clown impersonations....all that crap drove me nuts. Made the U.S. look like buffoons and it disgusted me.

your no fun anymore

I think the best comment on the transition was the comment that it felt like the liberation of Paris...:hihi:

Gotta agree with that, I'm afraid. Bush hovering over the Capitol and then being flown away with a blue sky behind him as he left was a pretty strong image.

And Cheney in a wheelchair looked for all the world like the evil Mr. Potter in It's A Wonderful Life

I thought Obama's address was pretty moving - in terms of our moral standing in the global community, our responsibilities to our companions on this planet and our goals to create a more humane society. The callous disregard the previous administration showed for the victims of Katrina was monstrous, for lack of a better description. Had Katrina hit Fairfield County, CT, I sincerely doubt you would have seen stranded WASPs desperately waving from their roofs to hovering Coast Guard choppers and waiting days on end for help.

To have a seemingly normal family in the White House is going to be nice - with 2 cute kids under Grandma's watchful eye. The only downside is Barack has his mother-in-law living with him...:hihi:

It also seems like Obama may already be having an effect on young minorities. Maybe it will become cool to be smart and study and work hard - and not emulate celebs and rappers. They now have a role model and I hope Obama will be able live up to their standards.

You know, our culture has really celebrated underachievement and this manic self-absorption involved in personal gain for way too long - and that is exactly what put us where we are today.

If you want to thank Bush for something, thank him for that.

Godspeed Obama - you've got a lot on your plate, young man.

Imagine - a President 13 years my junior...damn.

Cheney in a wheelchair looked like the evil Mr. Potter in It's A Wonderful Life

.

Actually Crafty, I think he bore a striking resembence to Mr. Lebowski from 'The Big Lebowski'

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e172/sintan/th_big.gif

Godspeed Obama - you've got a lot on your plate, young man.

Imagine - a President 23 years my junior...damn. :jester:

well spoken Crafty---as speed is of the essence....

Make haste! onward and upward ........on Dasher and Blitzin !

Hey, Rav - come over here...:whackin:

I said 13 years, porcupine...:hihi:

Unfortunately, it just looks like 23...:rollem:

How did a thread ramble on this long without me??? :hs::hee::af:

-spence