I was thinking about this as I get older and lose some stamina and see the same from some friends as we get up there in age. Of the 2 groups of surfcasters = blue collar workers and white collar workers, which one will last longer as a surfcaster? the guy who works from a desk and may or may not deal with much stress and obviously less physical strain from sitting at a deskjob, or the guy who beats up his body all day and then has to muster the energy to go out and fish?
Maybe the bluecollar worker is in better physical shape because of his job, then again maybe the white collar guy has more in the tank but also is in good shape from fishing so much or having time to go to a gym or something.
Or is it just the same for each, we get old and don't fish as hard as we once did? What do you think.

I say the blue collar worker will last longer because of TIME

I bet the white collar guy has less time avaialable

It depends. White collar guys these days care about their bodies and longevity. I think it's a toss up.

non of the above. Its the guy on disabillity, early retirement, trustfunder, or unemployed who wins the race as he doesnt have to work at all...

No jab intended to anyone in particular...

non of the above. Its the guy on disabillity, early retirement, trustfunder, or unemployed who wins the race as he doesnt have to work at all...

No jab intended to anyone in particular...

I agree. Work is work and it takes alot out of all of us.

Probably the guy on the sand vs the rocks....a lot of wear and tear on the knees hopping around rocks. and they hurt a hell of a lot more when you fall on them.

I would say White Collar because of a more flexible schedule to see medical professionals. makes it easier to take advantage of things like annual physicals and wellness visits. Since they are salary they have more flexibility to schedule around things.

A blue Collar guy has to be there a set time and is usually paid hourly....so a Doctors appointment usually translates into lost wages so they tend to blow it off until it becomes more serious.

no corrolation between blue and white collar IMO

comes down to who takes care of themselves the best

not sure, but i think you mean during the course of a lifetime

rather than during a single day of surf casting ...

The blue collar wins because they are tougher
and not as concerned about color coordinating
their surf casting apparel :o

The blue collar wins because they are tougher
and not as concerned about color coordinating
their surf casting apparel :o

Was that a jab at Spence? :angel:

Remember Bill Murray in the movie Stripes ?........"I'm pacing myself, sir"....take heed....he who paces himself lasts longest...no collar necessary.

Blue collar or white collar is less important than fat or skinny.
I wrote a poem:

Fat surfcaster and skinny surfcaster to a spot did race
Fat surfcaster fell off the rock and broke his hip, knee and face
Skinny surfcaster stayed and fished in his place

I am somewhere in between Blue/White. I do constructions sales. Somedays I am at a desk all day, somedays I am in the field in boots and hardhat getting dirty. More desk work lately though.

I think it comes down to passion and love of the sport more-so than your job.

I go to the gym 4 days a week, so no matter what I am doing, I am in reasonable shape. Although the winter beer bulge does seem to last further into the spring each year.

As far as stress goes, I work behind a desk and on the road wearing a white collar and I am always under a steady amount of stress at all times. Its getting out in the surf that gets that stress off my shoulders for while.

And for who can last longer it all depends on physical shape. I try to stay pretty active and I think that helps for those mile walks up and down rocks all night. But then again im 27 so that helps too.

Clogston 29 I'll second that,most of the white collar "Metro sexual's" do take better care of themselves.:jester:


I'M a BC worker with a very physical job from time to time,but I have always kicked the weights around trying to think of the Big Picture with life longetivity,I guess I've been fortunate with my overall health and I come to terms that the only hindrance I really suffer from is sleep deprivation which crushes me mentally the physical part....Bring it on!
I truly believe allot of outlasting the other Guys is mental thought kinda like mind over matter:faga:
It all comes down to pure will to mental indurance.

I say Blue collar

And no offense intended towards anyone.

White collar = hobby (spend more on the price of the gear, than on the experience gained by learning from mishaps) fishes more the "easy" way.;)
Blue collar = obsession (spends more time fishing than money for coffee, gaining more experience than "top of the line" gear.) Tends to know all the rocks on their favorite jetty personally, and at night!:cool:

This has been my observation, and by no means is indicative of surfcasters as a whole. :huh::rolleyes::huh::laugha:

Was that a jab at Spence? :angel:

Remember Bill Murray in the movie Stripes ?........"I'm pacing myself, sir"....take heed....he who paces himself lasts longest...no collar necessary.


i love that razzle dazzle yep...

it was said to entice Humor.... BB;657445
as the fish don't care what color your collar is.:rotf3:

The young "hungries" of either type last the longest - I remember those days and all night jaunts. They make me tired just thinking about them. But I soon learned the best lesson of all as I got older - that lesson is "Knowing when to quit." Sometimes the bass win. Now I just spend the optimum time I can without burning myself out. Still do an all nighter on occasion - but only if conditions dictate.

White collar but have a 15 acre farm so I am always cutting wood, brush, building stone walls, etc. I lasted 40 years in the surf average 100+ nights a year. Still had the stamina till I got cancer then the chemo kicked my butt so I got a boat. I went into remission this Fall so I was back in the surf up to Dec.

I don't think the job as anything to do with it. It's the passion the guy has for the sport that determines how long he lasts....

It depends. White collar guys these days care about their bodies and longevity. I think it's a toss up.

I agree with steve. How do we know if the white collar worker is in shape or the blue collar worker is? It varies. No way to really tell.

I voted Blue Collar, but I fish until the fish stop biting
no I don't last to long I move around and then give up
I like to fish but I also like to catch

I say Blue collar

And no offense intended towards anyone.

White collar = hobby (spend more on the price of the gear, than on the experience gained by learning from mishaps) fishes more the "easy" way.;)
Blue collar = obsession (spends more time fishing than money for coffee, gaining more experience than "top of the line" gear.) Tends to know all the rocks on their favorite jetty personally, and at night!:cool:

This has been my observation, and by no means is indicative of surfcasters as a whole. :huh::rolleyes::huh::laugha:

No offense taken, but I think your very wrong. Don't assume that just because someone is "white collar" that they are making any more money than the "blue collar" people.

What you do for work, or how you pay your bills has absolutely nothing to do with how much effort or love you put into fishing.

I'm BC and getting toward 60, I sure need a lot of breaks during my outings these days. I still enjoy and live for the surf, but I'm beat. Still, the few times that I get to see a sunrise on the back beaches is absolutely priceless to me.
In my prime, I fished non stop for days on end, every chance I got.

No need for viagra yet..:musc:

Red collar or green collar doesn't matter. Its a unique thing for each person. We all get old. Assuming you stay psyched to fish and fish hard when you go , the activity itself keeps you in shape until you turn a corner when do to age and deterioration the activity starts to wear you down. Luck relative to injuries or disease determines how quickly you age in this sport.

This reminds me of the old joke about the old bull and the young bull standing on top of the hill looking down at a herd of heifers. The young bull says to the old bull: I think I'll run down there and breed one of them, the old bull says go ahead and slowly walks down and does them all.
As I get older I tend to try and spend my time wisely.

I don't think the job as anything to do with it. It's the passion the guy has for the sport that determines how long he lasts....


I think this statement pretty much sums it up.

I think age and level of fitness is the key. A fresh 20-30 y.o in great shape will outlast a 60 y.o. in great shape. Cant beat father time. Walking 4 miles all night in the sand was never a problem when I was younger now I admit I get tired on the homeward stretch. On the other side of the coin as you get older wiser and more experienced you can reap more success in less time by applying learned lessons and using gained knowledge to compensate for lost stamina.
Your collar color doesnt matter.

and an excellent wintertime thread!!!

BUT; in my humble opinion~~~

i think alot of who outlasts who from the physical
side of the equation comes down to DNA/genes.

some bodies are blessed by their ancestors to have the
capacity to stay in good physical conditioning with less efforts
than most of the same size, age, and experiences~~~
regardless the COLOR of their COLLAR,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

when i consider the mental aspects of this sport we love,
DZ and others have summed it up nicely by bringing the
WANT factor into it. ie hungries, and extremists.

i am a Local #7 Union Ironworker. for over twenty years i've been abusing my body against the steel. as i age, i learn more about "working the iron" vs "the iron working me". yet we ALL only have so many reps/casts/rock hops/turns of the wrenches/mental distresses in us before time and nature reduce our capacities to do ANYTHING!!

that being said, i have to WANT it every day to continue in my trade~~~~
my knees, shoulders, elbows, and ankles are turning to junk, relatively speaking. i can still "throw bolts" with the best of them ~young or old; but i believe that my productivity at this stage in life is more based on my DESIRE and my "working smarter, NOT harder" approach that my diminished physical capacities have thrust upon me. don't get me wrong i am still very capable of "gittin' r done",,,,,,,,,,,,i just feeel it more these days,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

imho, this same dynamic applies to the mental side of surfcasting. while it may hurt more and take more out of me physically,
i am MORE driven and am learning to maximize my windows of opportunity, so that i reap the greatest return on my investments of time, energy, family sacrifice, and both the mental and physical stresses that surfcasting requires from us hungries/fish harders.

the fact that i experience this everyday at work, the ability to dig deep and keep digging and finish each day STRONG,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,gives me the wherewithal to "find that place" during each nights haunts. i am also trying to feesh smarter and work the surf, rather than the opposites of both,,,,,,,,,,,,,so my vote is for BC,,,,,,,,,,,all things considered and the above mentioned exceptions applied.

STILL, each night out is a Blessing and i count every striper dawn as joy. since i get sooooooo much more from surfcasting, than it could ever take from me. whether catching or not, the rejuvinative powers (both mentaly and physically) derived from living the nights and dreaming the dreams and chasing the COWS and slamming the surf gives me a solace of mind, body, and spirit that i've yet to find in a various sundry of recreations/sports/hobbies/addictions ~lo these 48 1/2 years.

I LOVE THIS SHEEEEEET, and the same is true for my job!!
i think that it is a pre-requisite for both; irrespective of the collar's color we wear to put bread on the table. as has been said; El Stripera cares NOT what color one's collar is, she's just trying to kick yer adzzz and drop that hook infested eeeeeeeel that you've deeply stuck in her maw.
:bl: :bl: :bl:

See, the thing is, as you get older you are supposed to have gotten wiser and learned somethings, like when to be at a certain place and for how long as it corresponds to when fish will be there on a certain stage of the tide.

I used to flail away all night long only to slowly realize the fish show at certain times and tides and it makes no sense to kill yourself once the intel has been learned.

Don't fish hard, fish smart.

See, the thing is, as you get older you are supposed to have gotten wiser and learned somethings, like when to be at a certain place and for how long as it corresponds to when fish will be there on a certain stage of the tide.

I used to flail away all night long only to slowly realize the fish show at certain times and tides and it makes no sense to kill yourself once the intel has been learned.

Don't fish hard, fish smart.

PREEEEE

CISELY!!

that's why i luvs me honeyhole,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

firstcast, beefy eeeeels, HT, new or pissin' full and

yer intoTALL cotton on sum cows,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
:jump: :jump: :jump:

non of the above. Its the guy on disabillity, early retirement, trustfunder, or unemployed who wins the race as he doesnt have to work at all...

No jab intended to anyone in particular...

LOL!!
Really...
"Search your feelings Young Skywalker"

The guy tossin jigs at the ditch.........or the guy sittin chunks on the Hunk?...:D


I can last longer than you Bruce, I just know I can...........................cuz she told me so....:eek:

Bruce, i think i have a few years on you and if anything i am fishing harder and skiing harder than i ever had.i think the biggest factor is staying in shape both mentally and physically. once you start using the i am getting older excuse you are on the way down.i still enjoy staying up all night fishing,even when i know the best fishing can often be had in a certain few hours. just being at waters edge when no one else is around is enough to keep me going.

Assuming you stay psyched to fish and fish hard when you go , the activity itself keeps you in shape until you turn a corner when do to age and deterioration the activity starts to wear you down.

have to disagree with you there. i think relying on fishing to keep you in shape is a mistake. just look around. as far as fitness benefits of fishing, its really an easy activity - no matter how "extreme" you try to make it.

if anything, the lack of sleep probably has worse effects on overall health than any benefit of being "active"

I guess when I first read the question I just assumed that it suggested the white collar guy earn more money. I know a few blue collar who make pretty good dough and I know white collar guys who can barely afford their suits.

It's the guy who is motivated even after hours of "wasted" time and no signs of fish but who keeps going like every cast is his first cast.

have to disagree with you there. i think relying on fishing to keep you in shape is a mistake. just look around. as far as fitness benefits of fishing, its really an easy activity - no matter how "extreme" you try to make it.

if anything, the lack of sleep probably has worse effects on overall health than any benefit of being "active"

I agree with this. Fishing alone no matter how "hard" you fish doesnt take the place of cardio, and core/weight training, eating clean, that is needed to really keep the body in shape. Being out in the surf all night, sleep deprevation, late night eating, coffee, red bull, isnt at all "good for you". Relying on some rock hopping, and some beach walking, little swimming, isnt going to GET you in shape.

I think it comes down to passion for the sport. I sit at a desk for 10 hrs a day and I'm beat both mentally and physically it just drains you. I feel worse than when I was doing 50hrs of manual labor. White or Blue it's in your blood. If I changed careers I would fish the same amount.

You lift alot but don't get alot of good cardio doing construction .. Construction workers diet off the garbage truck,, pizza ,, sausage subs,,cheese burgers,, add cigarettes and mass quanitys of beer and coffee .. You get older you tend to want to just lay down and die .. Can't do that ,, gotta hit the gym .,.gotta do cardio ..I have alot of new female friends working out with the girls . Wish I did this when I was younger .. :alien:

It's all in the mind, if you don't mind, it don't matter.

no corrolation between blue and white collar IMO

comes down to who takes care of themselves the best

I think you nailed it :) NO corrolation.

Mental toughness and attitude (oh yeah patience) is probably what the deciding factors are between a guy who leaves after an hour and a guy who fished two tides.

there seams to be two seperate debates here:

1. who lasts longer, in terms of years
2. who lasts longer on individual trips

i interprated the question to be 1 and answered that

if 2 was the question, i again say that there is no correlation, but taking care of yourself doesn't come into play as much - unless your already in poor health

tagger - i'm picturing you in short shorts, a bright colored sleeveless t-shirt and a headband in an aerobics class :hihi:

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go to www.energytimes.com

i learn more about health with every issue

knowledge is power-> on this subject.

I'll take #^&#^&#^&#^& Simmons any day...us white collar guys have to stick together...in more ways than one!

Given identical twins that ate the same type of food and equal ambition for surfcasting then I'd say the white collar. During their younger years, I don't know, maybe a toss up. However, as they get older injuries of younger years come back in the form of arthritis, etc and it is more likely the blue collar labor worker will have these aliments that require back or knee surgery because they are a higher risk.

As an aside.
Just look at friends of your age that were jocks (white and blue) and were good in sports throughout and ten years after high school, now they have knee, back, torn muscles, etc.

I truly believe allot of outlasting the other Guys is mental thought kinda like mind over matter:faga:
It all comes down to pure will to mental indurance.

Definitely!
Ive done a few long nights with the likes of Redlite and Lapinksi, and we're polar opposites physically and mentally, but we always make it till dawn.
They have bounding stamina and positive outlook, and I have physical tolerance and mental determination.
As long as your still standing with a rod in your hand, one last cast..

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa60/gileschickering/richardsimmons.jpg

wrong ,,, not me ,, I wear my shorts shorter ....:laugha:

I think it depends on how much into this thing we do, one is.
How much drive and motivation does one have? To do this thing we do.:wavey:

sleep apnia can't help .. starting the night out on half a tank .

we are extremely close to having a gadget that we can put on our head and get 4 hours of solid rem sleep in 25 minutes...

they will be expensive at first....

Japan's most smartest inventor came up with the idea
several years ago

but he built an elaborate relaxation recliner which will
eventually become a Mobile device instead.

that will be the BALLS.......

:fishin: I say neither. You find and make the time if you truly want to fish. Just my thought.

i tkink age is the biggest factor here.i'm old blue collar who fishes over 100 days a year,all from surf during daylite.my body is beat up from age and blue collar work.i look at 2 of my white collar sons,who are in pretty good shape and can go hours day or nite fishing hard.they can do the walk and do the talk.

There are three of us that have been fishing together for awhile, two of us since the early 80's. We are a combination of Blue and White Collar and all on the either side of 55 years old. The true White Collar is a marathoner. We all swim and still do all-nighters. We all feel very fortunate to have such a passion as surfcasting that has kept our attention for so long. We have stayed in shape over the years with the mindset of being able to keep up. I see us doing this for awhile.:jump1: :bounce::shocked:

The runner's body and the elite surfcaster's body are very similar.

I really like the variety of answers, very good so far.
And LMAO Bloocrab, I am not surprised by your answer:hs::)

My thought was either one, lasting longer thru the years or on one trip.

Redsoxticket, I can relate. my body is wearing down but I refuse to give in. Back surgery at 37, never been the same - constant maintenence, old hockey injuries even though I was NOT a jock by any means, arthritis creeping up on me. Work has beat my body up. As my friend NIB says, motion is lotion. So I will keep on casting.

I actually think available time and time for sleep or recovery has more to do with who lasts longer, also the drive and ability to will yourself to stay at it. I have done my share of all-nighters and it gets old as I get older and as my mind gets tired the hunting for the fish is less effective so not worth it unless well rested, I can't do caffine or rely on that.

no corrolation between blue and white collar IMO

comes down to who takes care of themselves the best

Bingo

I have found that coffee, potato chips and a fattie work wonders for an all nighter.

You guys make it seem like Yard work..I'm close to 30 years a tile man.At close to 50 I'm starting to feel the pains of a lifetime of schlepping.There's no sense in complaining everyone has problems.I do think I might have been better off with a profession that did not wear on my body like mine does.But you know they say the grass is always greener.While I hardly have the athlete's body I once did I have no problem fishing thru the night.It's not about endurance or perseverance.It's something I enjoy doing..It takes a lot for me to leave.I can go home and sleep easy on good nights it's the tough nights that keep me up till dawn every time.
I can not stand not catching IMO there is no reason for it.They are biting somewhere and I have to find em.Some call it madness I call it LOVE..
Thats why I prefer to fish alone.I don't want my time on the water to be dictated by someone else.Most times when the fishing is tough I am the last one standing.I have a few good fish under my belt that I have taken during this time to remind why I stay..

I have found that coffee, potato chips and a fattie work wonders for an all nighter.

Plus you hang that carrot of PITS in front of the NIB and he's a mule like no other..

Whomever can afford long term HGH treatments, along with the occasional 'roid treatments for injuries recovery. Better living through chemistry. Science can make the ultimate surfcaster.

You guys make it seem like Yard work..I'm close to 30 years a tile man.At close to 50 I'm starting to feel the pains of a lifetime of schlepping...

LOL. Once you hit 50 you quit worrying about how you feel and start worrying about what you got left for fishing time ......... not that you can remember once you figure it out. :eek: :shocked:

after reading all the posts,different jobs,age,body types etc.what it really comes down too is everbodys passion to go fishing.our passion is what drives us all.

so what your saying is regardless of the collar color the guy with the most passion (or addiction :) ) lasts the longest....

This thread a a lot more tame than I thought it would get!:hee: White collars rule!

This thread a a lot more tame than I thought it would get!:hee: White collars rule!

Don't start!!!!

thats pretty much it raven-or as my youngest sons says its whoever drinks the most red bull.

If you want to go and you're physically able to do so, the ocean is not going ask for your resume.

Don't start!!!!



:biglaugh::biglaugh: I know, I know! I erased my initial response but had to throw in a little jab.