Another great example for our kids to look up to. :rolleyes:

DUI 2 years ago and now the bong. :(

So he smoked some pot...

such a terrible thing... if anything, its proof that you CAN smoke and be an olympic champion!

hell.. imagine how well he would of swam if he wasnt an "Alleged" pothead...

hehe.

Even President OBAMA smoked weed...

it didn't stop him from achieving the presidency

and he's still a role Model for all kids....

Even President OBAMA smoked weed...

it didn't stop him from achieving the presidency

and he's still a role Model for all kids....

Obama's a role model for all kids? That's a crazy statement to make. Pass the dutchie, Raven.

hell.. imagine how well he would of swam if he wasnt an "Alleged" pothead...



Ya, imagine that!! A World Champion that represented the USA to the world and kids without breaking our laws. :)

I guess you think being arrested for DUI is cool too. :huh: :rolleyes:

The DUI is a 1000X worse than taking the bong hit. Hell the only reason it's a big deal is because he probably signed ethical behavior clauses when he raked in millions from sponsors.

He's a bit of a dope for potentially ruining a good thing, and at the age of 22 should have known better to protect his image as he is a role model. But the idea that this could scuttle his olympic bid in 2012 is pathetic if you ask me.

-spence

what the hell is he doing going to a College campus in the first place?!? He has millions of dollars, a nice house why not throw a party at his place!? If some jack@ss takes his picture of him taking a hit off a bong at his house he can narrow it down and single him out later on. Dealing with college kids is a totally different story you don't know anyone but a select few. so your pretty much screwed. just pure dumb, see what home schooling does to you!

maybe if we just legalized dope the whole issue would go away?

legalization with implemented taxation

In the scope of things /IMO ..its no big deal ;;


he,s 22 Y/O, & even thru he has accomplished so much / he,s a kid & after training 24/7 he deserves to be a kid for a while . the biggest mistake was trusting the people he was with /
Cell phone camera,s have put many people in awkward positions ;;

I,ll give him much more credit for being a great athelic [sp\] than the super heroes in the olymipics & pro sports / that take / took / drugs the would adhance their bodies & abilities ]]

Proabition [sp] Booze was off limits >> but how many drank ... Made it legal & now its OK to be a drunk /
Just as long as you don,t break the law while being there ;;

Smoke >. wait til its legalized //
IMO there will be far fewer pots heads with horror stories than there are with legalize drinking <<< oh do I mean liquid drugging ><><:huh:

The kid is being a kid, he screwed up just like Nancy Kerigan screwed up at Disney after the Olympics.
It probably will cost him alot in endorsement, particularly if the media continues to hype it.
I don't understand, if he has an agent, what the hell he was doing on campus like that anyway.
Now what I think was funny is the 2004 Olympic Village ran out of condoms!!!
I don't think that happened last year.

The only thing that I haven't done that he has( as far as I know) is win Olympic Gold metals. Get off his friggin back, he effed up , so what?

How about this state setting an example??!!! Its ok to possess an ounce or less of the stuff so what else are people gonna do with it but smoke it....so whats the message we are sending to kids there???????:smash:

How about this state setting an example??!!! Its ok to possess an ounce or less of the stuff so what else are people gonna do with it but smoke it....so whats the message we are sending to kids there???????:smash:

That's why the criminalization of small amounts of dope is a dumb thing. Wait till the baby boomers really retire and start to gain employment as judges across the board :hihi:

-spence

How does being an Olympic Champion make him into a role model. He's a 22 y/o... how many people in this thread can say they *never* did anything like he did when they were in their 20s.

I don't think he woke up one day and said "hey, I'd like to be a role model to youths everywhere. I'm gonna go out and try to win a ton of gold medals to accomplish it."

Athletes don't make themselves role models, the media and public do.

I dont believe he inhaled....:uhuh:

I can see the replies about 10 years from now.
"He was just doing heroin, give him a break"
:1poke:
Society is in the %$%$%$%$ter and getting worse every year !

I am with you Ron! Zero Tolerance!

I am with you Ron! Zero Tolerance!


Larry,
"zero tolerance" or not society has gone way beyond repair from how we knew it when we were kids !

first off why is he a role model because he can swim?and second no one has complained that he has been partying his ass off in Vegas and getting drunk. i guess hitting on cocktail waitresses and getting drunk is a good role model these days?

Alcohol=Legal and he is of age. Pot=Illegal

Alcohol=Legal and he is of age. Pot=Illegal

To claim legal vs illegal and then lump pot in with Heroin is pretty silly.

Perhaps if we're really concerned about the messages we send to our kids, we should really think about what's important. Alcohol is a much more destructive drug than pot, which just about everybody has smoked at one time or another.

-spence

Not the BigFish! Drug free for every minute of my 44+ years! Spent my time drinking like a big fish though! Really don't anymore?

Oh....and I never mentioned heroin?

Not the BigFish! Drug free for every minute of my 44+ years! Spent my time drinking like a big fish though! Really don't anymore?

Oh....and I never mentioned heroin?

RR did, and you agreed.

And if you've done your drinking, then I hate to say that you're far from drug free!

-spence

You know what I mean Spence. How many people you know that have never done drugs/narcotics...you know....D-R-U-G-S. I am pretty proud of it! :tooth:

Yeah ok I agree with him then! Pot is a gateway drug....ever know anyone that started with heroin??

You know what I mean Spence. How many people you know that have never done drugs/narcotics...you know....D-R-U-G-S. I am pretty proud of it! :tooth:

Yeah ok I agree with him then! Pot is a gateway drug....ever know anyone that started with heroin??

Keep fooling yourself BigHYPOCRITEFish.

And a lot of people, myself included, think the gateway drug theory is a bunch of rubbish. By that logic how many people tried booze before they smoke dope? 99%?

By that reasoning we should all be heroin addicts.

-spence

Why am I a hypocrite?:confused:

You know what I mean Spence. How many people you know that have never done drugs/narcotics...you know....D-R-U-G-S. I am pretty proud of it! :tooth:

Yeah ok I agree with him then! Pot is a gateway drug....ever know anyone that started with heroin??

Alcohol is the gateway drug.......all the things I did while influenced by alcohol compared to weed, No contest. And I never smoked weed until someone got me to drink.

Well I drank and never ever tried drugs so I do not agree. Guess we all have different gateways? Though I think I would agree with you that alcohol is a starter for many...its the natural progression I guess if someone tends to follow the trend!

Well I drank and never ever tried drugs so I do not agree.
What is a drug?

-spence

You say tomato....I say tomatoe. I understand your inference but I disagree...respectfully.:)

Sounds like denial you know, a sure sign of addiction.

-spence

What is a drug?

-spence

A drug is illegal. That is where my line of thought is drawn. Had alcohol been illegal when I turned 18.....then I doubt I would have had it.

Yeah ok I agree with him then! Pot is a gateway drug....ever know anyone that started with heroin??

Numerous studies have show this to be completely false. Nothing more than government propaganda and mis-information created by a government on a failed War on Drugs campaign. (My favorite has always been "Smoking one marijuana joint is the same as smoking 10 cigarettes." Really, how?)

I don't know anyone that "started with heroin" but I do know of quite a few that started with either coke, meth or crack.

BigFish, while I admire your straightedgedness... I'd be willing to put money down that you are in the minority - in terms of people that have/have not tried.

A drug is illegal. That is where my line of thought is drawn. Had alcohol been illegal when I turned 18.....then I doubt I would have had it.

So the Vocodin I took quite legally in December wasn't a drug?

Sure felt like one :lama:

-spence

The only positive affect alcohol had on my life
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u289/ecduzitgood/finger.jpg
the scar in the middle of my palm where the bottle I broke cut the tendon......guess which finger dosen't bend now? Lets just say it comes in handy.

Spence twisting the facts....not talking about medication or prescribed drugs/narcotics Spence. Cocaine, Heroin, Crack, Pot, oh....and don't give me the "pot is a prescribed drug in the treatment of cancer" crap Spence......you know what I am talking about.....I think you are smarter than that. I have never used drugs recreationally Spence.;)

I agree, pot is a gateway drug to other illegal drugs, but imho the biggest gateway, that starts it ,depends on who your friends are.

I don't know any kid who the first time they drank or did drugs did it alone.

It starts with someone in a group saying let's do it and then the peer pressure kicks in and suddenly it's , "aren't we so cool, i must be cool too."

Birds of a feather.

I've got to chime in on this one.Pot can be a gateway drug to the right individual.Alcohol can be a gateway drug to the right individual.
Here is my take on it.In my 48 years,I've seen some people who drink,kick the tar out of thier wives,and lose thier homes,and if that is not tragic enough,lose thier lives.I've never seen such behavior with people who I know smoke pot.My 2 cents.

I've got to chime in on this one.Pot can be a gateway drug to the right individual.Alcohol can be a gateway drug to the right individual.
Here is my take on it.In my 48 years,I've seen some people who drink,kick the tar out of thier wives,and lose thier homes,and if that is not tragic enough,lose thier lives.I've never seen such behavior with people who I know smoke pot.My 2 cents.

That may be Joe, but the tragic part of pot and drugs imo is the scum bag sellers it supports. Not good people, many people killed and lives ruined because of them.

In my years, many working with teenagers, I've seen many families and lives destroyed from pot. Families in crisis for years. Impaired thinking keeps them from facing ordinary problems keeping them stuck in immaturity.

One of the first signs is sliding marks in school and that means not living up to potential. I've seen a suicide and psychotic episodes from kids smoking pot from bongs laced with other drugs
Your rolling the dice whenever you take a mind altering drug.

Someone should make a list of roll models (good or bad) for both pot and alcohol.......I'll start::rolleyes: Ted Kennedy

Spence twisting the facts....not talking about medication or prescribed drugs/narcotics Spence. Cocaine, Heroin, Crack, Pot, oh....and don't give me the "pot is a prescribed drug in the treatment of cancer" crap Spence......you know what I am talking about.....I think you are smarter than that. I have never used drugs recreationally Spence.;)

I can't fathom how you don't think alcohol isn't a drug.

-spence

Correlation does not imply causation.

Just because someone smokes crack now and smoked pot before, doesn't mean the pot was the doormat welcoming them to a life of addiction. Not to mention pot does not have any chemically addictive properties.

Again, numerous studies have show that marijuana is *not* a gateway drug. Here's just one study:
http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/study-say-marijuana-no-gateway-drug-12116.html
"This evidence supports what’s known as the common liability model, an emerging theory that states the likelihood that someone will transition to the use of illegal drugs is determined not by the preceding use of a particular drug but instead by the user’s individual tendencies and environmental circumstances."

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In my years, many working with teenagers, I've seen many families and lives destroyed from pot. Families in crisis for years. Impaired thinking keeps them from facing ordinary problems keeping them stuck in immaturity.

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I am SUPPOSED to be working.I take a break,check into S/B,and well,here I am.I do love this site....When I love this site........
I want to respond to justplugit.You have spoken like a man who has seen this and I believe what you have seen and respect your opinion. Thanks for pointing this out.I still think pot is alot less harmfull than booze.Just my own personal observations.
To Karl F,you took the words out of my mouth about Phelps.I too hope he grows and learns from his experience.

that poor kid...bad judgement is all...I agree most with everything said here, it is all bad if abused..
from my own personal using it started with butts then booze then weed....then everything else, Ive tried and abused most everything except smack
What I will say is... for ME...weed has to be at the bottom of the list as far as being harmful...not to say it isnt though....and booze being by far the worst..it has ruined and killed alot of lives and people close to me..
maybe the kid has a problem...maybe not...he's still a damn good athlete....the best ever...

if his face is on the cereal box i'm not eating it :yawn:

Dave your right...peer pressure! None of the folks I hung out with were into any of it! That always helps! Spence...its why alcohol is called alcohol and drugs are commonly known as well....drugs! They are two different things. remember....we can disagree and often do. You have the way you look at things and I have the way I look at things.

now I for one used to smoke back when I was 18, now that I'm almost 26 I haven't had the urge to pick it up again. I wasn't a pot head I only did it once in a while mainly just on weekends. I used to be all about legalizing pot, until i started thinking about the consequenses. Here's one for you guys who think it should be legal... how can you test for it if you get pulled over and your stoned out of your mind??? Alcohol has its tests pot only has a piss/hair test but that doesnt tell you how much you've had smoked...
so that you legalize it right. you get in your car blazed out of your mind smoking it up with your buddies as you go for a bone cruise, blasting tunes, and passing that fattie around. You go reach for the blunt from your buddy in back, then you hit and kill a person/ or a even worse a kid. the cops show up to the scene and notice that you are under the influence of a controlled substance. But can not charge you because there is no test for marajuana. Sure you'll be arrested for involentary manslaughter, and under the influence of a controlled substance. you go to court get a slap on the wrist maybe serve a year or less in prison because you get out on "good behavior".

But the drunk who gets behind the wheel and does the same thing. Is charged with manslaughter loses his license, goes to counceling, and serve a sentence behind bars.

Sounds like a good idea of legalizing it doesn't it? :smokin:

I also drink and I wouldn't call Alcohol a gateway anything. Its all about peer pressure, and confidence in saying no thanks.

Like I said
Society is in the %$%$%$%$ter !!!
Can't turn on the tv without a "Male enhancement" commercial or a girl with her tits 1/2 hanging out !, or profanity on just about everything !
Sucks trying to raise kids and not deal with these issues everyday !
And for those here who think kids aren't influenced by these guys like Phelps, you have no idea what you are talking about and most likely don't have young kids !
As for the heroin comment, guarantee the way pot is so accepted as not big deal with some of you, not too many years from now heroin or some other drug will be the same story !

With Phelps' outrageous lung capacity, he probably bogarted down the guy's whole stash in one huff. I think the real lesson here is to never to share a bowl with an aqua-lung pituitary case.

Like I said
Society is in the %$%$%$%$ter !!!
Can't turn on the tv without a "Male enhancement" commercial or a girl with her tits 1/2 hanging out !, or profanity on just about everything !
Sucks trying to raise kids and not deal with these issues everyday !
And for those here who think kids aren't influenced by these guys like Phelps, you have no idea what you are talking about and most likely don't have young kids !
As for the heroin comment, guarantee the way pot is so accepted as not big deal with some of you, not too many years from now heroin or some other drug will be the same story !

Your right Ronnie it is becoming a society of "anything goes"and "what the hell, just let e'm go."

Imho, i believe the most important job a father has is not only to provide for, but to bring his children up to become good solid citizens that live up to their full potential.
Like Karl said, you have to be the role model for them and from what i have seen from your posts, you are a good one. :btu:

Living in a morally bankrupt society makes it very difficult.

As for the heroin comment, guarantee the way pot is so accepted as not big deal with some of you, not too many years from now heroin or some other drug will be the same story !

there is a huge difference between the two. and to compare the two just shows ignorance on the topic. for one thing, a heroin overdose will kill you. find me one person who died as a direct result of smoking weed (not including allergies, etc. since peanuts can and do kill some people). and don't point to pestacides and addatives, because those all go away if its legal and regulated by the FDA (or at least we'd like to hope).

remember, cocaine was no big deal for a long time and tons of people were doing it. then people learned it can kill you (len bias) and now it is considered a big deal.

weed = alcohol that somebody decided was illegal IMO. both have been around forever and their effects are pretty well known. being illegal in my mind doesn't make something wrong or immoral.

.its why alcohol is called alcohol and drugs are commonly known as well....drugs! .

Ummmmmmmmmm, alcohol is one of the worst drugs

Heres the definition of a drug

A drug, broadly speaking, is any chemical substance that, when absorbed into the body of a living organism, alters normal bodily function.

and lets see , how many deaths occured from bong hits?.... Big fat 0.
In 2006 there were 17,941 alcohol related traffic deaths !!!

heres another excerpt for scientific american

By the Numbers: Deaths Caused by Alcohol; December 1996; Scientific American Magazine; by Doyle; 2 Page(s)

Excessive alcohol consumption leads to more than 100,000 deaths annually in the U.S. Accidents, mostly from drunken driving, made up a quarter of this number in 1992; alcohol- related homicide and suicide accounted for 11 and 8 percent, respectively. Cancers that are partly attributable to alcohol, such as those of the esophagus and larynx, contributed an additional 17 percent. About 9 percent resulted from alcohol-related stroke. Another major contributor is a group of 12 ailments wholly caused by alcohol (see map below), of which alcoholic cirrhosis of the liver and alcohol dependence syndrome are the most important. These 12 ailments represented 18 percent of all alcohol-related deaths in 1992.

The most reliable data are for the 12 alcohol-induced conditions. Mortality from these conditions rises steeply into late middle age and then declines markedly, with those age 85 or older being at less than one sixth the risk of 55- to 64-year-olds. Men are at three times the risk of women; blacks are at two and half times the risk of whites.

if his face is on the cereal box i'm not eating it :yawn:

Only cereal endorsement he has left is WEEDIES

:huh: Maby we should look up to The Reverend Fred Phelps as a role model. :lama:

:huh: Maby we should look up to The Reverend Fred Phelps as a role model. :lama:


NO,
Kids should look up to their parents !
Problems is, LOTS of parents are morons !

IMO there are more morons that drink than there are that smoke weed. I'll take it a step further and say the biggest morons are the ones who smoke cigarettes.A no buzz cancer creator for folks with no willpower and a tendency for addiction.

With Phelps' outrageous lung capacity, he probably bogarted down the guy's whole stash in one huff. I think the real lesson here is to never to share a bowl with an aqua-lung pituitary case.

Yea you wanna go before him...

If anyone wants a hand crafted michael phelps edition glass bong, just let me know. :laugha:

The only reason Alcohol is legal and Pot is not........is Money.......and paranoia.

Both have been legal in this country and both have been illegal in this country at one time or another.

Personally i Think Alcohol is way more destructive than pot.......Drunks get Disoriented, Verbally Abusive, Physically Destructive, and Physically Worn Down.....Pot Heads get Stupid and Hungry for 4 hours, then take a nap.

That being said it IS Illegal. Now Phelps made a choice...to pick up the pipe. He got caught and now has to live with the Consequences....hopefully next time he makes a better choice. I'm not going to crucify the kid for making a bad choice.....my life was riddled with them when I was a kid.......didn't smarten up til I was probably 25....but I eventually Smartened up.

and this Whole "The Country has Gone to Hell" thing can sometimes be rediculous......Ever Since Man has walked the earth he has had a Monkey along for his back.

Your Grandparents and Great Grand parents had their demons just like the kids today have theirs......Only Difference (and RIJimmy is gonna love this) is the Media....people see it more readily than ever before. Pot, Drugs and Alcohol have been around for 1000's of years....do you think that Addiction has only been around for 50....

This is good article about what led up to it becoming illegal in the 30's......I especially love the quotes by the guy Anslinger......real McCarthy type stuff.

But All in All it was Money that drove it

In 1930, a new division in the Treasury Department was established -- the Federal Bureau of Narcotics -- and Harry J. Anslinger was named director. This, if anything, marked the beginning of the all-out war against marijuana.

Harry J. Anslinger

Anslinger was an extremely ambitious man, and he recognized the Bureau of Narcotics as an amazing career opportunity -- a new government agency with the opportunity to define both the problem and the solution. He immediately realized that opiates and cocaine wouldn't be enough to help build his agency, so he latched on to marijuana and started to work on making it illegal at the federal level.

Anslinger immediately drew upon the themes of racism and violence to draw national attention to the problem he wanted to create. He also promoted and frequently read from "Gore Files" -- wild reefer-madness-style exploitation tales of ax murderers on marijuana and sex and... Negroes. Here are some quotes that have been widely attributed to Anslinger and his Gore Files:


"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others."

"...the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races."

"Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death."

"Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men."

"Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing"

"You smoke a joint and you're likely to kill your brother."

"Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind."
And he loved to pull out his own version of the "assassin" definition:

"In the year 1090, there was founded in Persia the religious and military order of the Assassins, whose history is one of cruelty, barbarity, and murder, and for good reason: the members were confirmed users of hashish, or marihuana, and it is from the Arabs' 'hashashin' that we have the English word 'assassin.'"

Yellow Journalism

Harry Anslinger got some additional help from William Randolf Hearst, owner of a huge chain of newspapers. Hearst had lots of reasons to help. First, he hated Mexicans. Second, he had invested heavily in the timber industry to support his newspaper chain and didn't want to see the development of hemp paper in competition. Third, he had lost 800,000 acres of timberland to Pancho Villa, so he hated Mexicans. Fourth, telling lurid lies about Mexicans (and the devil marijuana weed causing violence) sold newspapers, making him rich.

Some samples from the San Francisco Examiner:


"Marihuana makes fiends of boys in thirty days -- Hashish goads users to bloodlust."

"By the tons it is coming into this country -- the deadly, dreadful poison that racks and tears not only the body, but the very heart and soul of every human being who once becomes a slave to it in any of its cruel and devastating forms.... Marihuana is a short cut to the insane asylum. Smoke marihuana cigarettes for a month and what was once your brain will be nothing but a storehouse of horrid specters. Hasheesh makes a murderer who kills for the love of killing out of the mildest mannered man who ever laughed at the idea that any habit could ever get him...."

And other nationwide columns...


"Users of marijuana become STIMULATED as they inhale the drug and are LIKELY TO DO ANYTHING. Most crimes of violence in this section, especially in country districts are laid to users of that drug."

"Was it marijuana, the new Mexican drug, that nerved the murderous arm of Clara Phillips when she hammered out her victim's life in Los Angeles?... THREE-FOURTHS OF THE CRIMES of violence in this country today are committed by DOPE SLAVES -- that is a matter of cold record."
Hearst and Anslinger were then supported by Dupont chemical company and various pharmaceutical companies in the effort to outlaw cannabis. Dupont had patented nylon, and wanted hemp removed as competition. The pharmaceutical companies could neither identify nor standardize cannabis dosages, and besides, with cannabis, folks could grow their own medicine and not have to purchase it from large companies.

This all set the stage for...

The Marijuana Tax Act of 1937.

After two years of secret planning, Anslinger brought his plan to Congress -- complete with a scrapbook full of sensational Hearst editorials, stories of ax murderers who had supposedly smoked marijuana, and racial slurs.

It was a remarkably short set of hearings.

The one fly in Anslinger's ointment was the appearance by Dr. William C. Woodward, Legislative Council of the American Medical Association.

Woodward started by slamming Harry Anslinger and the Bureau of Narcotics for distorting earlier AMA statements that had nothing to do with marijuana and making them appear to be AMA endorsement for Anslinger's view.

He also reproached the legislature and the Bureau for using the term marijuana in the legislation and not publicizing it as a bill about cannabis or hemp. At this point, marijuana (or marihuana) was a sensationalist word used to refer to Mexicans smoking a drug and had not been connected in most people's minds to the existing cannabis/hemp plant. Thus, many who had legitimate reasons to oppose the bill weren't even aware of it.

Woodward went on to state that the AMA was opposed to the legislation and further questioned the approach of the hearings, coming close to outright accusation of misconduct by Anslinger and the committee:


"That there is a certain amount of narcotic addiction of an objectionable character no one will deny. The newspapers have called attention to it so prominently that there must be some grounds for [their] statements [even Woodward was partially taken in by Hearst's propaganda]. It has surprised me, however, that the facts on which these statements have been based have not been brought before this committee by competent primary evidence. We are referred to newspaper publications concerning the prevalence of marihuana addiction. We are told that the use of marihuana causes crime.

But yet no one has been produced from the Bureau of Prisons to show the number of prisoners who have been found addicted to the marihuana habit. An informed inquiry shows that the Bureau of Prisons has no evidence on that point.

You have been told that school children are great users of marihuana cigarettes. No one has been summoned from the Children's Bureau to show the nature and extent of the habit, among children.

Inquiry of the Children's Bureau shows that they have had no occasion to investigate it and know nothing particularly of it.

Inquiry of the Office of Education--- and they certainly should know something of the prevalence of the habit among the school children of the country, if there is a prevalent habit--- indicates that they have had no occasion to investigate and know nothing of it.

Moreover, there is in the Treasury Department itself, the Public Health Service, with its Division of Mental Hygiene. The Division of Mental Hygiene was, in the first place, the Division of Narcotics. It was converted into the Division of Mental Hygiene, I think, about 1930. That particular Bureau has control at the present time of the narcotics farms that were created about 1929 or 1930 and came into operation a few years later. No one has been summoned from that Bureau to give evidence on that point.

Informal inquiry by me indicates that they have had no record of any marihuana of Cannabis addicts who have ever been committed to those farms.

The bureau of Public Health Service has also a division of pharmacology. If you desire evidence as to the pharmacology of Cannabis, that obviously is the place where you can get direct and primary evidence, rather than the indirect hearsay evidence."
Committee members then proceeded to attack Dr. Woodward, questioning his motives in opposing the legislation. Even the Chairman joined in:


The Chairman: If you want to advise us on legislation, you ought to come here with some constructive proposals, rather than criticism, rather than trying to throw obstacles in the way of something that the Federal Government is trying to do. It has not only an unselfish motive in this, but they have a serious responsibility.

Dr. Woodward: We cannot understand yet, Mr. Chairman, why this bill should have been prepared in secret for 2 years without any intimation, even, to the profession, that it was being prepared.
After some further bantering...


The Chairman: I would like to read a quotation from a recent editorial in the Washington Times:
The marihuana cigarette is one of the most insidious of all forms of dope, largely because of the failure of the public to understand its fatal qualities.

The Nation is almost defenseless against it, having no Federal laws to cope with it and virtually no organized campaign for combating it.

The result is tragic.

School children are the prey of peddlers who infest school neighborhoods.

High school boys and girls buy the destructive weed without knowledge of its capacity of harm, and conscienceless dealers sell it with impunity.

This is a national problem, and it must have national attention.

The fatal marihuana cigarette must be recognized as a deadly drug, and American children must be protected against it.
That is a pretty severe indictment. They say it is a national question and that it requires effective legislation. Of course, in a general way, you have responded to all of these statements; but that indicates very clearly that it is an evil of such magnitude that it is recognized by the press of the country as such.
And that was basically it. Yellow journalism won over medical science.

The committee passed the legislation on. And on the floor of the house, the entire discussion was:


Member from upstate New York: "Mr. Speaker, what is this bill about?"

Speaker Rayburn: "I don't know. It has something to do with a thing called marihuana. I think it's a narcotic of some kind."

"Mr. Speaker, does the American Medical Association support this bill?"

Member on the committee jumps up and says: "Their Doctor Wentworth[sic] came down here. They support this bill 100 percent."
And on the basis of that lie, on August 2, 1937, marijuana became illegal at the federal level.

The entire coverage in the New York Times: "President Roosevelt signed today a bill to curb traffic in the narcotic, marihuana, through heavy taxes on transactions."

Dave your right...peer pressure! None of the folks I hung out with were into any of it! That always helps! Spence...its why alcohol is called alcohol and drugs are commonly known as well....drugs! They are two different things. remember....we can disagree and often do. You have the way you look at things and I have the way I look at things.


Who else here thinks if perhaps Larry tried one of them thar spleefs maybe he would not be such a deek..
Nothing personal BF but I think sometimes you could use to relax a little..
If you think there is some major difference between pot and alchohol.You really need to open your eyes..
BTW don't go over the speed limit..Thats against the law also..

There is a major difference...one is legal and one is not. I am very relaxed right now.:tooth: You folks can skew the facts and twist the english language however you want to make you sleep better at night.....but drugs and alcohol are different animals. Maybe when I talk about drugs I am not so much talking about pot but mostly Coke, Heroin, Crack.....all the real nasty stuff. Yeah....alcohol is every bit as addictive as anything else can can do alot more damage.....thats a fact.

Do I think Phelps should be punished? No I do not. He is a young man, 22, with the same choices to make we all had and in life and folks have to find their own way. Bad choice? Yup! However just because of his fame people should not think that he should have to live his life any differently than anyone else does. Its his life and his alone. I say a picture these days is not great evidence and he could simply have denied it and moved on but he did not....he owned up to it and for that I say he is showing youth that mistakes are made and you and you alone have to be accountable for your actions.

what's Ironic about the 1937 tax law was:

that a tax was to be levied on the product
and to show that the tax had been paid
it was to receive a stamp showing that it was.

the Ironic thing was that the stamps were never made.

so you have a law that was passed and never used
to tax a product in the last 72 years...

funny reading that stuff about how the white chicks
were seduced by the Jaz & weed to go for the darkies

that guy had no interracial issues ....:rotf3:whatsoever

Alcohol is a Drug

by David J. Hanson, Ph.D.
Beverage alcohol (ethyl alcohol) is a drug. But exactly what is a drug?
A drug is simply “Any substance which when absorbed into a living organism may modify one or more of its functions.” 1 (http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/Controversies/references/1119724962.html#1)
In reality, "any substance that by its chemical nature alters structure or function in the living organism is a drug. . . .

For example, back in 1938, the Virginia legislature asked two University of Virginia pharmacology professors to review the research evidence and produce an overview report on alcohol's affects on the human body. The legislature had hoped to demonstrate the need for the state's public schools to teach that alcohol is a poison and that its use is harmful behavior to be avoided.


"When news leaked that the two scientists' report contained language to the effect that moderate drinking was unharmful, temperance organizations in the state immediately rallied and deluged the legislature and the governor's office with cries of objection." 1 (http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/HealthIssues/references/1055856264.html#1) The legislature then voted to have the report, all one-thousand copies, burned --- unread!

i have an older Brother named Jimmy too

a perfect clone of your brother in many aspects...

i expect to hear of a similar list of related illness(s)
due to his alcohol and tobacco habits (the legal drugs)

he was the kid who figured out how to cut cigarette pack
sized blocks of wood to substitute for packs of cigs
in the rack my dad had hanging on the wall for his
carton of Winston's.

Karl Thanks for sharing..

Karl Thanks for sharing..

Save that for when he's passing you a Fatty...

oh and by the way....

your hair will be white

Well said Karl.

Save that for when he's passing you a Fatty...

oh and by the way....

your hair will be white


what hair I have is already white.

it's time.......

Canal fishing (day)=smoke
Canal fishing(night)=smoke and drink
Boat fish(day)=smoke
Boat fish( night)=smoke
Boat fish(commercial,day)=drink

As if getting caught with a bong wasn't enough, he now has been caught gambling, too.

February 10, 2009 --

MICHAEL Phelps wins no gold medals for party games. At the same South Carolina house party where he was snapped s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g on a bong, the Olympics hero lost a pile of money betting in a high-stakes session of the drinking game beer pong, in which players wing pingpong balls into plastic cups. "I saw Phelps pull out a roll, a bank-wrapped $2,000. He said, 'I'll match the $2,000,' " onlooker Michael Whitworth told the State newspaper. "Good ol' Phelpsie lost it, too."

ban cigarette smoking inside of every public building, and more recently most public places like parks, but we make marijuana smoking and possession legal. You can get in more trouble for lighting a cuban cigar up in Morton's in Boston than you could if you smoked a bone on the sidewalk out front.