Just post here how proud you were to vote for this guy. Come on raise your hand. http://change.gov/agenda/ethics_agenda/

Judging from the link you posted....looks like you are.

After seeing how bad the repub. screwed up this country for the last 8 years, I'd for a liberal Muslim, who smoked crack and had a wife who called white people "whitey"!

:wave:

And the alternative was what - Grampa Munster with one foot on a banana peel and the other in a grave and Caribou Barbie?

If you thought Bush was a dimwit how about the possibility of a President Palin...:shocked:

For chrissakes, if brains were dynamite, she couldn't blow her nose.

Bush set the bar so low that the GOP thought she was viable....now that's scary.

*raises hand high*

Feel free to ask me again in 10 months, I'm sure the answer will be the same.

At least this time you posted a website that contains some actual facts.

*raises hand high*

ditto

Judging from the reactions of a major player in the lobbying scene that I sail for, its not BS. At all.

I beleive Buckmans post was meant for you to look at what O said he would do and then compare to what he HAS done, in the brief time he has been president, a few GLARING examples (taken as fact fo JohnnyD)

1.End the Practice of Writing Legislation Behind Closed Doors: As president, Barack Obama will restore the American people's trust in their government by making government more open and transparent.

RIJ - the stimulus bill was drafted behind closed doors by a few democrat congressmen. there were numerous and costly pieces of junk, that many of you have acknowledged, and O has said there is no wasteful sepnding or earmarks in the bill. Seems pretty clear to me he broke promise 1.

2.Sunlight Before Signing: Too often bills are rushed through Congress and to the president before the public has the opportunity to review them. As president, Obama will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days.

RIJ - I am pretty sure he will classify the stiumlus as "emergency" but I think spending close to a trillion $ is a bill the public should review and gets to the very heart to what Obama was trying to do. I guarantee he will not.

Maybe it would be beneficial for you to review his promises and what he has done in a VERY short amount of time......

Spend Taxpayer Money Wisely


I wont even BEGIN to comment on this one.........

Thanks RIJIMMY, I guess they still believe in change. Never mind little details like it was all B.S. It's no surprise to them that he broke most of his pledges in the first month. They expected it I guess. For all the crap they give me,Obama gets a free pass. What I say on this site means nothing( insert joke here), What Obama pledged to do and what he is doing will change our childrens lifes and the country we leave them. But, thats just not very important to them. How much longer will he be campaigning against Bush? When will he start to lead? It appears to me that he's getting led around like a dog on a leash

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI&eurl

*raises hand high*

Feel free to ask me again in 10 months, I'm sure the answer will be the same.

At least this time you posted a website that contains some actual facts.

It's not like any of us mentioned what would happen with one party rule. We just got an agenda rammed down the throats of hardworking American's. Congrats. YOU turned America into Massachusetts. Nothing can be done to stop it short of a revolution. Can't wait for Pelousi,I mean Obama, to start her Supreme Court picks. Then they can change the Constitution.:claps::claps:

The truth is your all swallowing hard, sitting on your crossed fingers, hoping and praying you made the right choice for your childrens future because from where I'm sitting, you effed up big time.

The truth is your all swallowing hard, sitting on your crossed fingers, hoping and praying you made the right choice for your childrens future because from where I'm sitting, you effed up big time.

Well since we sat that way for the last 8 years, welcome to the club.

And no, I never believed all of it. I voted for BHO because I believe he will end up being a fairly middle of the road Dem president. Do I have issues with some of the fat on the stimulus bill? Yup. Do I think all of it is a waste of time and pork? Not even a little bit.

Well since we sat that way for the last 8 years, welcome to the club.

And no, I never believed all of it. I voted for BHO because I believe he will end up being a fairly middle of the road Dem president. Do I have issues with some of the fat on the stimulus bill? Yup. Do I think all of it is a waste of time and pork? Not even a little bit.

Middle of the road!!! Then your answer is,... Yes I believed all his B.S., I had no choice, he had no record for me to go on

No, my answer was:
I could not vote for McCain. Period. Not that he isn't a stand up guy, but his policies, and Palin made him 100% unpalatable for me. Obama was closer to my principals than most of the other candidates. My original pick was Richardson and then Biden, as they are the closest match to my values.

Am I middle of the road. Yes, left of center. Did I believe all the BS and Hype, Nope. But I believed and still do believe in him.

Funny how if you voted for Obama you must be Liberal and endorse his policy 100%, where if you voted for Bush you were just trying to protect the country and keep Kerry or Gore from killing us all.

Hell, Bush rams TARP down our throats with zero transparency and zero accountability and he's doing what's necessary.

Obama promises to set up a website where everybody can see how federal bail out money is being spent, lower taxes for everybody and even makes concessions to Republican Senators and he's a socialist because a few Dem House members stuck some stupid spending in the Bill.

All elections are not about choosin the "best" but choosing the "least worse".

I'm still confident that my vote for Obama was the right vote.

-spence

Funny how if you voted for Obama you must be Liberal and endorse his policy 100%, where if you voted for Bush you were just trying to protect the country and keep Kerry or Gore from killing us all.

That's not the reason I voted for Bush but it's not bad

Hell, Bush rams TARP down our throats with zero transparency and zero accountability and he's doing what's necessary.


I was against TARP 1. As were most Conservatives


Obama promises to set up a website where everybody can see how federal bail out money is being spent, lower taxes for everybody and even makes concessions to Republican Senators and he's a socialist because a few Dem House members stuck some stupid spending in the Bill.


This will never happen. You are dreaming. I am having nightmares


All elections are not about choosin the "best" but choosing the "least worse".


I'm still confident that my vote for Obama was the right vote.


-spence

Keep dreaming

Hell, Bush rams TARP down our throats with zero transparency and zero accountability and he's doing what's necessary.

Obama promises to set up a website where everybody can see how federal bail out money is being spent, lower taxes for everybody and even makes concessions to Republican Senators and he's a socialist because a few Dem House members stuck some stupid spending in the Bill.



Most conservatives were against?? but the Bush white house still did it... that confuses me.

2. We'll see pretty quick about the website. Maybe you will be right, maybe not. we'll see.

It's not like any of us mentioned what would happen with one party rule. We just got an agenda rammed down the throats of hardworking American's. Congrats. YOU turned America into Massachusetts. Nothing can be done to stop it short of a revolution. Can't wait for Pelousi,I mean Obama, to start her Supreme Court picks. Then they can change the Constitution.:claps::claps

The speed in which people forget 8 years of a Republican president and 6 years of a Republican controlled congress is what got us into this mess. Copious amounts of deregulation in congress, combined with the fact that every one of Bush's financial advisers and appointees decided to turn a blind eye are what brought us to where we are now. You want to blame someone for our *current* state - blame your neo-conservative, lord and savior Bush. It is the policies that he drove down our throats resulting in our current state.

Maybe if we didn't dump almost $1trillion into frivolous, republican driven wars in the Middle East, we'd have that money to use here in the US. Or if the entire focus of every political decision was not based on the "War on Terror" or Iran or Arlen Spector (a Republican) investigating the Patriots or my favorite - the republican driven "Freedom Fries" (remember that waste of time?).

As I've said before, for every baseless reason someone wants to give me for why we're in this current economic state and why it's the democrats' fault, I'll give you a dozen more why it's not.

I'm not even taking into consideration the 25 years that the Has-been McCain didn't do a damn thing in Congress and how he'd look like a deer in headlights trying to deal with these issues. He couldn't even manage his campaign and you think he'd manage the country better?

2. We'll see pretty quick about the website. Maybe you will be right, maybe not. we'll see.

Given what he's proposing in a website, its not going to appear overnight.

WebMD took a year for around 30 people to build.

Given what he's proposing in a website, its not going to appear overnight.

WebMD took a year for around 30 people to build.

I'm sure he has the best and brightest money can buy working on it. He has a lot on his plate so I think we should give him a free pass. Hell, he hasn't even finished campaigning against Bush. If any of you can give me the Website I would appreciate it. :rotf2::rotf2::rotf2: It ain't gonna happen, Dreamers.

The speed in which people forget 8 years of a Republican president and 6 years of a Republican controlled congress is what got us into this mess. Copious amounts of deregulation in congress, combined with the fact that every one of Bush's financial advisers and appointees decided to turn a blind eye are what brought us to where we are now. You want to blame someone for our *current* state - blame your neo-conservative, lord and savior Bush. It is the policies that he drove down our throats resulting in our current state.

Maybe if we didn't dump almost $1trillion into frivolous, republican driven wars in the Middle East, we'd have that money to use here in the US. Or if the entire focus of every political decision was not based on the "War on Terror" or Iran or Arlen Spector (a Republican) investigating the Patriots or my favorite - the republican driven "Freedom Fries" (remember that waste of time?).

As I've said before, for every baseless reason someone wants to give me for why we're in this current economic state and why it's the democrats' fault, I'll give you a dozen more why it's not.

I'm not even taking into consideration the 25 years that the Has-been McCain didn't do a damn thing in Congress and how he'd look like a deer in headlights trying to deal with these issues. He couldn't even manage his campaign and you think he'd manage the country better?

Who said anything about forgetting. The Democrats were able to filibuster and block many proposals by the Republicans. Checks and balances are no longer in place. Barney Frank was as much to blame as anyone. The real reasons the conservatives lost power was because none of them had the backbone to stand up to their values. They let a minority of Democrats scare them from doing what they believed.


The B.S. you spew about McCain makes me laugh. So you went and voted for a complete unknown, with no voting record and no accomplishments. Brilliant.

Please give me facts as to why the Bush administration caused our plight. The thing you fail to mention when talking about war is the fact that many, many people want you and your children dead. At the very least I believe that is why this President is a danger to us.

It's to bad for the left that the "I told you so's" started so early. Give it time and you a little honesty. You can't be happy how things have started

"Sunlight before signing" :huh: The American Public will have 5 days to view before signing??????????

The Senate didn't even have 5 hours before voting after it came out from behind closed doors.

This bill was the bgigest "lick and a promise" i've ever seen.

yup, that's the new way.This Bill was written in a luxury resort at a Democrat retreat and finalized in behind close door hearings. Got to love the new transparent way of doing things. It's more like the "in your face, we won, you lost, nobody can stop us" way of doing things

So from what I understand, Congressional Republicans believe trickle down tax cuts are good, as are some infrastructure projects (assuming the infrastructure is in your state).

But what other government spending do they believe will create jobs?

I'm not hearing of any credible counter proposals from the Right.

-spence

I'm not hearing of any credible counter proposals from the Right.
-spence

It's either 'Do Nothing' which they can't afford to do, b/c if things continue to slide, they look even worse for anyone who said 'Do Nothing'

OR it's a case of "You're wrong, but we don't know what right is"

It's either 'Do Nothing' which they can't afford to do, b/c if things continue to slide, they look even worse for anyone who said 'Do Nothing'

OR it's a case of "You're wrong, but we don't know what right is"

In the case of this bill, I believe the Republicans have made the point that doing nothing is better then adding trillions of dollars of debt for no gain.

Again I ask...what part of this bill do you think will fix our economy? How much of it and specifics.....Take your time.....:smash:

Again I ask...what part of this bill do you think will fix our economy? How much of it and specifics.....Take your time.....:smash:


here if You guys need to look up anything here is a copy of the Super Secret, Behind Closed Doors stimulus bill.......Found it online in about 3 minutes.....really hidden away :rolleyes:

This is the link to a summary....

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/SenateStimSummary.pdf

and this is a link to the whole package as drawn up.....

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/senatestimamendment.pdf

Have Fun.....

Wow.. who taught you the secret code and handshake?

Wow.. who taught you the secret code and handshake?

ninja secret (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=stimulus+bill)

here if You guys need to look up anything here is a copy of the Super Secret, Behind Closed Doors stimulus bill.......Found it online in about 3 minutes.....really hidden away :rolleyes:

This is the link to a summary....

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/SenateStimSummary.pdf

and this is a link to the whole package as drawn up.....

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/senatestimamendment.pdf

Have Fun.....


Now that it's a done deal and we didn't have any input.

Is this the version they voted on? Complete with Nancy Pelousi hen scratchings.

Now that it's a done deal and we didn't have any input.

Is this the version they voted on? Complete with Nancy Pelousi hen scratchings.

I'll make sure they call you next time and get your approval 1st....

I'll make sure they call you next time and get your approval 1st....

Thanks. Or they could just do what Obama and the Democrats promised to do. But why would we expect that.

Or maybe you'll just depend on your blessed Republican party and sit doing nothing until there's nothing to sit around for.

Lets hear some Republican tell us what the REAL thing to do is.

Oh and if you don't like the stimulus, don't take the money.

Here's an interesting article on the hypocrisy of the southern Repub. states have been s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g off the northern Demo. states for years and denying that what their doing is accepting welfare.


By Paul Begala
CNN Contributor

Editor's note: Paul Begala, a Democratic strategist and CNN political
contributor, was a political consultant for Bill Clinton's presidential campaign in 1992 and was counselor to Clinton in the White House.

Paul Begala says South Carolina's governor should refuse to take federal aid he opposes.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Gov. Mark Sanford of South Carolina took umbrage at my writing that his approach to the economic crisis is to do nothing. I'll deal with his "ideas" in a moment, but first let me make a modest proposal: If Republican politicians are so deeply opposed to President Obama's economic recovery plan, they should refuse to take the money. After all, if you think all that federal spending is damaging, there are easy ways to reduce it: Don't take
federal money. Gov. Sanford can lead the way. South Carolina should decline to accept any federal funds for transportation, education, health care, clean energy or any of the other ideas President Obama is advocating to fix the economy. And the rest
of the GOP can follow suit. Justice Louis Brandeis famously called states "laboratories of democracy." So let's experiment. Gov. Sanford can be the guinea pig. His Palmetto State already gets $1.35 back from Washington for every dollar it pays in federal taxes, according to 2005 numbers, the latest calculated by the Tax foundation, a nonprofit tax research group.

Don't Miss Gov. Sanford: Don't mortgage our kids' future

Begala: GOP strategy to deny, do nothing

South Carolina is a ward of the federal government. It's been on welfare for years. If Gov. Sanford is so all-fired opposed to federal spending, let's start by cutting federal spending in South Carolina. Otherwise, he's got about as much credibility on fiscal conservatism as A-Rod has on steroids. Under the Bush-Sanford economic theories, South Carolina's unemployment rate has reached 9.5 percent -- among the highest in the nation. But if Gov. Sanford
wants to continue those policies, good luck to him. Make no mistake about it, Republicans like Gov. Sanford want to go back to the bad old days of George W. Bush. In his CNN.com column, Gov. Sanford expends 605 words attacking President Obama's plan to turn the country around after eight years of Bush-Republican-Sanford economics. That is his right, but attacking President Obama's plan is not itself an alternative plan. Nor is dredging up hoary old gripes about the New Deal. Nor, indeed, is deriding neighborhood electric vehicles -- which create jobs, save money and reduce pollution -- as "streamlined golf carts." But that is what Gov. Sanford offers us. iReport.com: Share your thoughts on the stimulus plan
Then Gov. Sanford turns to his ideas (keep in mind he was responding to my charge that he favors doing nothing). He devotes precisely one half of one sentence to his plan to save the world economy; 24 words that will create millions of jobs, restore liquidity to capital markets, protect investors and consumers, regenerate stagnant demand and restore the capitalist system. Here they are:
"... cutting the payroll tax, opening foreign markets through an expansion of our trade agreements, and reducing our corporate tax, which is among the highest worldwide." Wow. As we say in the South, I've got the vapors. So cutting taxes nd cutting trade deals will get us out of this mess? That's all we need to do? We don't need to extend unemployment insurance, or update health information
technology, or move to renewable energy or repair roads or rebuild bridges or modernize the power grid or prevent states and cities from laying off teachers and cops or any of the other myriad proposals in President Obama's plan? To be sure, President Obama's plan includes tax cuts -- mostly for middle-class families. But cutting taxes on corporate profits is of little utility when there are no corporate profits to tax. And precisely with whom would Gov. Sanford cut these miraculous trade deals? In case he hasn't been watching CNN, the entire world economy is in the tank.
If cutting taxes for the rich and for big corporations and promoting foreign trade alone could energize the economy, we wouldn't be in this mess. But maybe Gov. Sanford is right. Let's keep our federal money -- give it to states where the governors will actually put it to good use. We'll let Gov. Sanford try his plan, we'll try President Obama's plan. Something tells me Gov. Sanford won't take that gamble. Because for all his rhetoric about hating federal spending, he can't wait to get his hands on our money.

Not one single response to Buckmans post about Obamas promises. I put two of his promises out there which he has broken ALREADY. the largest spending bill in US HISTORY and it was rushed through congress with no review by the American people. All you guys can do is continue to bash Bush.

And PaulS, Begala's article is as immature as Rush's, he must be hurting for material defending O.

1.End the Practice of Writing Legislation Behind Closed Doors: As president, Barack Obama will restore the American people's trust in their government by making government more open and transparent.

2.Sunlight Before Signing: Too often bills are rushed through Congress and to the president before the public has the opportunity to review them. As president, Obama will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days.


I put two of his promises out there which he has broken ALREADY. the largest spending bill in US HISTORY and it was rushed through congress with no review by the American people.

I answered your 2 questions, albeit sarcasticaly....Every word of the Stimulus package has been available for the people to read,....if they would just take the time to read it.....every time they updated it, they released the new version to the public, and the final one has been available for at least 5 days.....nothing super secret.

I don't know whether you are expecting a personal e-mail from them or what. but the info is out there.

Dad, thats not true. The leigislation was written behind clsoed doors, most members of congress have barely read it and did not have time, see the Cafferty article I posed under the Stimulus bill thread. The bill just passed the Senate friday night and will be signed by Obama today. Thats not 5 days and the final version has not been available to review. Your links are not to the the final bill.

I don't know whether you are expecting a personal e-mail from them or what. but the info is out there.

He wants it in storybook form with big pictures.
GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME

Not one single response to Buckmans post about Obamas promises. I put two of his promises out there which he has broken ALREADY. the largest spending bill in US HISTORY and it was rushed through congress with no review by the American people. All you guys can do is continue to bash Bush.

And PaulS, Begala's article is as immature as Rush's, he must be hurting for material defending O.


Yeah Jim I am not happy about that hurry up and sign it without transparency thing. Definitely a 'huh'"

Here is the website link to the bill....and you can even leave your comments on it if you so choose....

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/arra_public_review/

thanks, good things there is a 5000 space limit, I'll have to focus my comments.

thanks, good things there is a 5000 space limit, I'll have to focus my comments.

Here's a short version;

150 million for climate stuff ( to be determined by Democrats later)

2 billion for transportation stuff ( to be determined by Democrats later)

100 no 200 Million for education stuff ( to be determined by Democrats later)

alot of billions for states ( to be determined by Democrats later)

150 million for studies ( to be determined by Democrats later)

Believe it or not that's not to far off from the truth

I'm thrilled! I just found out that they're giving $4 million to Ponkapoag Golf Course to fix the fairways. That's a great way to spend stimulus money!

Here's a short version;

150 million for climate stuff ( to be determined by Democrats later)

2 billion for transportation stuff ( to be determined by Democrats later)

100 no 200 Million for education stuff ( to be determined by Democrats later)

alot of billions for states ( to be determined by Democrats later)

150 million for studies ( to be determined by Democrats later)

Believe it or not that's not to far off from the truth


CadillacDeval is laughing the whole way to the wheelbarrow store.

I didn't see the STD funding again

I'm thrilled! I just found out that they're giving $4 million to Ponkapoag Golf Course to fix the fairways. That's a great way to spend stimulus money!

I have golfed there. That's not enough money!

I have golfed there. That's not enough money!

From what I understand, they're looking to bring the U.S. Open there in the future. It's actually possible that the $4 mill could be recouped if they did. If they move back to all the original tee placements on course 1, it will play about 7600 + yards. Course 1 is a disaster, but course 2 is pretty decent for the greens fees they charge.

From what I understand, they're looking to bring the U.S. Open there in the future. It's actually possible that the $4 mill could be recouped if they did. If they move back to all the original tee placements on course 1, it will play about 7600 + yards. Course 1 is a disaster, but course 2 is pretty decent for the greens fees they charge.

Is that still a state owned course?

Is that still a state owned course?

Yes, I think it's operated by the parks and recreation department or MDC.

Yes, I think it's operated by the parks and recreation department or MDC.

That's what I thought. 4 million won't even be enough to administer the project.