just wondering what everyones thoughts were on what works best in most situations...i love to swim pikies subsurface and my thoughts are that for every fish caught on top theres 2 that would have hit subsurface....whats more effective for you guys?

Surface by about 20:1 in daylight, less so in the dark.
Of course I have so much faith in surface swimmers I hardly fish subsurface swimmers.

Will depend on the conditions and where you are fishing. Down here, November to early April, its a subsurface bite. I've caught a striper or two on surface swimmers in December, but probably 99.9% are subsurface. Late April to June, probably 95% surface, 5% subsurface, though I'm mostly fishing surface swimmers at that time. I know when I am up your way, subsurface off the breachways, mostly surface off the rocks/beaches. I'm mostly throwing topwater swimmers off the rocks/beaches, so that may have something to do with it.

Jigman

thanks guys I've noticed the same thing jiggy...spring the subsurface bite is much better...fall it matters less:wave: building subsurface swimmers for may:wave:thanks