http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090421/ap_on_re_us/piracy_suspect

Read the part about the US lawyers offering there services. What a country. We will be supporting (here I go again) this POS before it's over. One bullet away from having it done with. Damn hindsight

that guys got it made in the shade now- our prison system is like a 4 star hotel to a bum from Somalia..

I think its highly doubtful that he gets to prison. He'll be released, typical lawyer talk. "He was coerced by drug lords" "He was under a flag of truce and not subject to capture" everyone knows pirate law, you can't harm someone under the rule of "parlay". Mark my words, he will end up under some form of asylum and live out his life in America, and if he is only 16 his mom will be brought over too. A slap on the wrist, and he'll be an American on welfare and foodstamps.

maybe he will get a book deal.

oh wait... RECORD DEAL..move over snoop dog.. the pie rat is in da house...:rotflmao:

A slap on the wrist, and he'll be an American on welfare and foodstamps.

Yup.
thats how I see it going down...

that guy won the lottery

On OPRAH

Fresh fruit delivered to his residence...

You ever stop and think that's exactly why he jumped on the US boat in the first place?

I'm sure he's going to be held accountable for his actions (as he should) but this isn't the person to make an example of. A bullet Buck? The kid is 16 and has probably seen little more than poverty and violence his entire life. These kids are pawns, they need to go after the big fish...

-spence

in that part of the world
he may have already killed
a hundred human beings.
so age of innocence is irrelevant

You ever stop and think that's exactly why he jumped on the US boat in the first place?

I'm sure he's going to be held accountable for his actions (as he should) but this isn't the person to make an example of. A bullet Buck? The kid is 16 and has probably seen little more than poverty and violence his entire life. These kids are pawns, they need to go after the big fish...

-spence
This is why the world is going to hell. You are making excuses for someone that may or may not be 16. He is a criminal. just like the kids in Columbine and the thugs that kill each other on the streets of Boston. Everyones a damn victim now.
That kid is no pawn and he has seen more and done more then you and I. They live a tough life, but not all become pirates. Give me a break.

This is why the world is going to hell. You are making excuses for someone that may or may not be 16. He is a criminal. just like the kids in Columbine and the thugs that kill each other on the streets of Boston. Everyones a damn victim now.
That kid is no pawn and he has seen more and done more then you and I. They live a tough life, but not all become pirates. Give me a break.
You didn't read my post, you just had a knee jerk hissy fit.

Funny, I knew you would :smokin:

-spence

Anyone care to hazard a guess on what the conviction rate is in the Federal courts? You guys must think they're going to haul this guy in front of a typical Massachusetts District Court judge :rotf2:

I'd bet you on a long stretch in a max secure Federal prison but I think I'd be stealing your money ;)

MikeP; me too...
I think my sarcasm was lost in translation...

We should start a pool as to who is closest to the punishment this punk gets. Winner gets some plugs or something.

Used to be anyone caught involved in piracy were shot on site, or hanged the day after their "trial" (may not have been much of a trial but efficient).

I'd bet you on a long stretch in a max secure Federal prison but I think I'd be stealing your money ;)

If the kid is only 16, like his Mom says, I can't see any long term punishments. A minor can just about get away with murder and get sent to Juvenal Hall. I'm sure it will all spin out that he was forced into it, maybe some sort of threat to his family if he didn't. Something will come up, that will pull the heart strings of the media and in turn the left and he may never see a federal court room.

Guess ya havta do a carbon test on him first to determine his true age. :D

Its starting already, this is from the AP.

"MOGADISHU, Somalia – At home in central Somalia, Abdiwali Abdiqadir Muse studied English, frequented a dusty, outdoor cinema after school where he watched Bollywood films dubbed into his native Somali and, his mother says, "was wise beyond his years."
The neighborhood where he grew up in the town of Galkayo is one of small homes with corrugated iron roofs, and no running water or electricity.
"The last time I saw him he was in his school uniform," the teen's mother, Adar Abdirahman Hassan, 40, told The Associated Press by telephone Tuesday from her home in Galkayo. "He was brainwashed. People who are older than him outwitted him, people who are older than him duped him.""

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45684000/jpg/_45684301_007201796-1.jpg

If the kid is only 16, like his Mom says, I can't see any long term punishments. A minor can just about get away with murder and get sent to Juvenal Hall. I'm sure it will all spin out that he was forced into it, maybe some sort of threat to his family if he didn't. Something will come up, that will pull the heart strings of the media and in turn the left and he may never see a federal court room.

He's being charged as an Adult. No brief trips to juvey for him.

Maybe they'll waterboard him to give up the big boss.

The kid is 16 and has probably seen little more than poverty and violence his entire life. These kids are pawns, they need to go after the big fish...

-spence

Sounds like the ground work being set by his lawyers to me, Spence.
You talk out of both sides of your mouth. Sometimes in the same post.

You talk out of both sides of your mouth. Sometimes in the same post.

Actually, it's called objectivity.

-spence

For all the people who think he's going to get off w/o a sentence. Anyone want bet a plug?

For all the people who think he's going to get off w/o a sentence. Anyone want bet a plug?

Yep, if the system has been so corrupted by Liberals as some have accused, it's time for them to put the money where the mouth is.

-spence

He already got off compared to the other guys fate. He's going to get the best lawyers because they love the limelight. He's got a chance, a good chance of getting off.

you guys bet...I will build a plug for the winner...:wave:

oh, it will have an eye patch so that when you fish with it you will laugh and remember how you got it...

you guys bet...I will build a plug for the winner...:wave:

oh, it will have an eye patch so that when you fish with it you will laugh and remember how you got it...

Now that's pretty awesome.

Very kind of you scott. I'm curious to see which one of them win.

He already got off compared to the other guys fate. He's going to get the best lawyers because they love the limelight. He's got a chance, a good chance of getting off.

How can you think he has a good chance? He's already lost the first round by being tried as an adult. He may not see life but he's in Federal prison for a good amount of time. It's not like he can argue that he isn't guilty of piracy. At best he can say he was forced into it, but even then he's not going to find a lot of love.

-spence

How can you think he has a good chance? He's already lost the first round by being tried as an adult. He may not see life but he's in Federal prison for a good amount of time. It's not like he can argue that he isn't guilty of piracy. At best he can say he was forced into it, but even then he's not going to find a lot of love.

-spence

He's being tried as an adult, because his father and brother both say he is 18 almost 19. His mother was more than likely going for sympathy by saying he was 16. Even tried as an adult, I still think there is a good chance he's getting off.

The first thing that will happen is that he'll get a job at Roche Bros. as a stock boy.

The second thing is that he'll say he is one of "the lost boys of Africa" who didn't walk across the continent. He chose to float his way here.

The third thing that will happen will be that Al Kuntsler, (or did he pass away), the pink attorney will represent him and he'll have him apply for citizenship.

The fourth thing that will happen is that his father will be proven right when he said the perp is 18 years of age, which will make the juvenile question moot.

The fifth thing, what MikeP says will happen, will happen, he'll go to club fed for a long time, and be place in the cell next to John (canoli) Connolly the crooked F.B.I. agent.

You ever stop and think that's exactly why he jumped on the US boat in the first place?

I'm sure he's going to be held accountable for his actions (as he should) but this isn't the person to make an example of. A bullet Buck? The kid is 16 and has probably seen little more than poverty and violence his entire life. These kids are pawns, they need to go after the big fish...

-spence




:conf::conf::conf:
You are something else defending this friggin criminal !!! :nailem::nailem:

:conf::conf::conf:
You are something else defending this friggin criminal !!! :nailem::nailem:

Can you read?

-spence

Can you read?

-spence

I think what you wrote Spence could be taken as excuse making. IMO

I think what you wrote Spence could be taken as excuse making. IMO
I clearly stated I thought he would be held accountable and that I agreed that he should. That isn't excuse making.

Pointing out that Somalia is a %$%$%$%$hole, and that he's a product of perhaps the most broken country on the planet isn't making excuses, it's reality.

It seems as though many people simply can't comprehend an alternate point of view. For instance, to try to understand the rage that drives a Palestinian teenager to strap a bomb to themselves.

To do so doesn't mean you're attempting to justify or legitimize their actions, and perhaps more importantly, with a broader understanding one can prescribe better solutions.

As Sun Tzu said:

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not your enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

-spence

A bullet Buck? The kid is 16 and has probably seen little more than poverty and violence his entire life. These kids are pawns, they need to go after the big fish...

-spence

You forgot this part?

You forgot this part?
That was covered under the "he's a product of the most broken country on the planet" statement.

The fact of the matter is that this kid probably doesn't know any better. There was good article in GQ last month on the issue. The pirates are bringing a lot of money into the communities and providing food and support that the people can't get any other way.

They are seen as modern day Robin Hood's.

That doesn't mean his actions are justified at all. It does mean that making an example of him will do nothing to help the situation. Only addressing the root causes, a terribly weak Somali government and the pirate leadership who's directing the pawns will ever improve the situation.

-spence

That was covered under the "he's a product of the most broken country on the planet" statement.

The fact of the matter is that this kid probably doesn't know any better. There was good article in GQ last month on the issue. The pirates are bringing a lot of money into the communities and providing food and support that the people can't get any other way.

They are seen as modern day Robin Hood's.

That doesn't mean his actions are justified at all. It does mean that making an example of him will do nothing to help the situation. Only addressing the root causes, a terribly weak Somali government and the pirate leadership who's directing the pawns will ever improve the situation.

-spence

I believe this kid was a pirate leader.

I missed last months GQ , I was reading fishing mags.

I believe this kid was a pirate leader.
No, I'm talking about the kingpins. The guys building the gigantic mansions on the Somali coast. I doubt they're doing the dirty work.
I missed last months GQ , I was reading fishing mags.
PM me your addy and I'll send you clippings from all the Dolce and Gabanna ads :lasso:

-spence

PM me your addy and I'll send you clippings from all the Dolce and Gabanna ads :lasso:

-spence

Sweet:lama:

That was covered under the "he's a product of the most broken country on the planet" statement.-spence

I thought we were the most broken country on the planet...aren't the dems constantly telling us that every aspect of America is broken and "in crisis"

The fact of the matter is that this kid probably doesn't know any better. There was good article in GQ last month on the issue. The pirates are bringing a lot of money into the communities and providing food and support that the people can't get any other way(like Obama).

You should be his lawyer Spence Alynski..."he didn't know any better"..poor baby...I knew you were a GQ metrosexual...but judging by your photo...you really need a haircut...



They are seen as modern day Robin Hood's. so is Obama..does that make him a pirate too? will he be bare chested with a parrot on his shoulder on the next cover of TIME?...



That doesn't mean his actions are justified at all. It does mean that making an example of him will do nothing to help the situation. Only addressing the root causes(CALL THE UN), a terribly weak Somali government and the pirate leadership who's directing the pawns will ever improve the situation.

yeah...punishment doesn't ever work... what we need to do is put the entire country of Somalia on welfare courtesy of America, I mean...we're loaded...or...we could just print more money...and that will solve everything....or ban the use of the word pirate all together...that's another approach.....


LET OUR PIRATE GO !!!!!....HE'S A HARMLESS TWIT...YOU MUST ACQUIT!

We should have fitted him for one of these hats !

That hat is Awesome!!!!

We should have fitted him for one of these hats !

Now that is sweet. I want one.

Someone could make a fortune on that hat. I'd probably buy at least one.

Now that is sweet. I want one.

Someone could make a fortune on that hat. I'd probably buy at least one.

You will need two, one for the lib side and one for the good side of you :rotf3:

You will need two, one for the lib side and one for the good side of you :rotf3:

:cheers: I've been noticing the "good side" coming out more and more lately with some of the things that have been going on in this wonderful state of ours.

When are we going fishing?