Here I am, minding my own business, picking away at a couple of fish, and along comes this tool. The conversation goes like this:
Tool-"Any luck ?"
Me-no answer
Tool-"ANY LUCK ?" (as if I may not have heard the first time)
Are you freakin' kidding me :af::af::af:??? Do you really expect me to tell you??? No hello, no greeting of any sort, and you want me to tell you if the fish are there :smash:??? I don't know you from a hole in the wall. You showed up at the end of the tide, way too late, probably so you could get a good night's sleep. I got home from work just before midnight last night, ate dinner, got a couple of hours of shuteye, and got up at o-dark thirty to catch the tide and the bite. DO YOU REALLY EXPECT ME TO TELL YOU ANYTHING, SO YOU CAN BE IN MY SPOT TOMORROW MORNING SO YOU CAN CROWD ME :fury:!!!????
Rant over, carry on :tooth:.

"Don't fish angry".........Redlite 2008

Harry,
Sounds like you had too much coffee and not enough sleep! I'm sure I'll have a similar demeanor at some point this year but it's too early!

I will say that I rarely ask that unless I'm at a well known spot or I know the person really well. If I do ask and it is a good spot sometimes I'll follow it up with one of the best Swingers quotes.

"This place is dead anyway"

It's like a Jedi mind trick and they leave. You have to do it with the right amount of swagger.

that "tool" may have had endless opportunities...:claps:

buy a boat.... and relax

fishing is for fun :read:

Wah Wah Wah.... so someone asked if you were having any luck and it pissed you off? Perhaps you should have replied, "I have been picking off a few, how have you been doing this season so far?" That tool may have told you he had been into fish all night at ___________.

Any Luck? is a common question and if you are that miserable fishing perhaps you should find a hobby you enjoy.

rant over
carry on :bshake:

Relax, its not even May yet. Unless you have a bent rod tell him its dead and not worth the time to fish it, don't just ignore him, its just inconsiderate. I hate it when fishermen are rude to each other, you don't have to be the nicest guy in the world out there, but you don't have to be a complete douche either.

It is too early for that. Unless you fish in NY. But, if you had shown me that kind of attitude, I would have ripped you a new %$%$%$%$%$%$%$. I am done taking %$%$%$%$ from self righteous people while fishing anymore. K-bar is on the belt and a nine foot whip in my hands.

Dam... it's what guys that fish say to each other when they cross paths.

You don't know him... he might have been out all night... I don't get it.

Heck, you can lie to him and still be friendly.

Dam... it's what guys that fish say to each other when they cross paths.

Exactly.

Uh oh, I always say that. I guess I could say Hello Sir, first but then again I've never let what anyone told me keep me from fishing. I already decided to fish there and usually for a reason.

this situation is the one i am torn the most about in fishing. on one hand you have a completely valid argument. we have all been in that situation where you just don't wanna fill guys in, due to not wanting to be crowded out and the such. (this isnt specifically about you and your situation mind you. just a generalization.)

on the other hand... for most guys out there "any luck?" is a greeting of sorts. i use it all the time. (i do through in a hi first though) not because if he says yes i'm gonna take up residence right next to him. or be there the next day. i'll find some place down the beach. or as VERY LAST resort due to area restrictions ask if the minds if i take up a spot.reasonably away ofcourse. (but the latter is pretty doubtful) buuuuuuuut i ask to strike up friendly convo. i can tell if i am buggin the guy after about a minute or so and bid fair well. otherwise you can get some great chit chat in and learn some things about the area, and possibly ::gasp:: make a new buddy to run into out there.

(next part is for the sake of argument)
i mean i came to that spot to fish. whether or not you are catching doesn't matter to me. from my personal view you are in ""MY"" spot of the day/night. granted if you are there i'll move down the road a bit. but you catch my drift. cause it's the same in your eyes when you show up to fish and there's someone already there. you know you have all done it... show up see some one right in or close enough to your favorite perch. and sort of grumble to yourself under your breathe. then start running through a list of people in your head, about who might have told the guy about the spot. :hihi:
(end)

however these days i have stopped trying to make friends almost all together. some chatting at the shops, (usually much to short cause we are always rushing to make tides) and this board are the only places i talk to people about fishing.

i gotta tell ya it kind of sucks. not really fishermen's faults. with access so restrictive to places these days, they almost have no choice but to be defensive when approached. but still, it would be nice to be able to approach some one and say hi and see whats goin on. (not nag the guy to death or crowd him out)

last year i met one plugging guy (the bucket patrols are usually easy to get along with) while actually fishing. ONE, just One. we just happened to be sharing a rock. (it was a BIG rock and after a 40min drive we were not about to not fish it because of one guy. could have fit 20 on it) and after about an hour or two, he was nice enough to suggest a new a spot since that spot was pretty dead. so we all went and got skunked at the new spot. (lol)

to me that just sucks. i'd love to meet some new guys out there in the surf and on the rocks. but don't even bother trying anymore due to the "stay the hell away from me" attitudes out there. i completely understand people are out there to fish. but would it really kill some people to have a brief 5min convo about fishing? don't even have to share any decent info.

on the other hand.. we all do have those leave me alone moments. for me though that has less to do with the fishing and more to due with my current attitude. maybe it's just every time i run into some one they have had a bad day? :(


i guess i'm just wishing socializing on the water wasn't such a frowned upon thing. would be nice to get in a few laughs with a stranger every now and then.

Sounds like you need some medication for that problem your having.

When I come across a fisherman in my travels, as a way of saying hello and being polite I say just exactly that....."Any Luck?" It means no harm and all I am really looking for is a general response......"Ya its ok" or "Kinda quiet" or "Got a few shorts".......but its just my way of saying Hello and engaging in some polite conversation. If the guy stood there just watching you Harry you probably would like that less. I always try to be polite as we do share the same passion.....right? I can on occasion be a bit moody...I have had my moments.......but "Any Luck" is mostly just a greeting between fishermen in my opinion.

I agree. I have said it in the manner of just friendly conversation starter and gotten a sour puss response (or better yet just an ugly glance) Look it....I didnt ask what you were using, how, when , etc. etc. etc......If your not in the mood to share is it SO hard to be a kind human and simply say "not really" or "kinda slow" or better yet "nah just got here and you"? This is generally what I say when asked and I dont want to necessarily share any info.


This is what gets me (and not just with fishing) people just dont seem to be nice to each other anymore. It has made me not even want to say "hello" when passing someone on a walking trail, while fishing, etc. I am afraid I will get some nasty response...


Sad really....

"Don't fish angry".........Redlite 2008

Nope, that's why I left after a few more casts :hee:.

Harry,
Sounds like you had too much coffee and not enough sleep! I'm sure I'll have a similar demeanor at some point this year but it's too early!

I will say that I rarely ask that unless I'm at a well known spot or I know the person really well. If I do ask and it is a good spot sometimes I'll follow it up with one of the best Swingers quotes.

"This place is dead anyway"

It's like a Jedi mind trick and they leave. You have to do it with the right amount of swagger.

No coffee, I had to get back to sleep for a couple of more hours after I finished my rant.

Wah Wah Wah.... so someone asked if you were having any luck and it pissed you off? Perhaps you should have replied, "I have been picking off a few, how have you been doing this season so far?" That tool may have told you he had been into fish all night at ___________.

Any Luck? is a common question and if you are that miserable fishing perhaps you should find a hobby you enjoy.

rant over
carry on :bshake:

I was happily fishing until someone I do not know came along and wanted me to tip him off as to whether there were fish present or not. IMO, if he wanted to know if I was having any luck, maybe he should have shown up when the tide was still running, seen and heard me hook up (just like the other guy who was there before me and was still fishing after I went to leave) ;).

Relax, its not even May yet. Unless you have a bent rod tell him its dead and not worth the time to fish it, don't just ignore him, its just inconsiderate. I hate it when fishermen are rude to each other, you don't have to be the nicest guy in the world out there, but you don't have to be a complete douche either.

It's too small of a spot to lie to someone. If he's back there tomorrow, and sees me there, it's too easy too figure out I lied, especially if he got to talking to the other guy that was there (which he was) :doh:.

This is what gets me (and not just with fishing) people just dont seem to be nice to each other anymore. It has made me not even want to say "hello" when passing someone on a walking trail, while fishing, etc. I am afraid I will get some nasty response...


Sad really....

i hear ya.

i am not the most clean cut person on earth. i admit it. i can look down right scary to some people. (or like a run of the mill scum bag to others) but i was still raised to be kind and courteous.

that said.. you should see some of the reactions i get when trying to be nice. the biggest thing i get the "what a jerk" look from doing is... holding the door for people. it's just amazes me. i mean i don't do it to get praise. i was being nice. but also i most certainly do not do it to get a nasty look of disgust. :( had i known that person was gonna be a jerk about it, i would have felt much less obligated to nice.

When I come across a fisherman in my travels, as a way of saying hello and being polite I say just exactly that....."Any Luck?" It means no harm and all I am really looking for is a general response......"Ya its ok" or "Kinda quiet" or "Got a few shorts".......but its just my way of saying Hello and engaging in some polite conversation. If the guy stood there just watching you Harry you probably would like that less. I always try to be polite as we do share the same passion.....right? I can on occasion be a bit moody...I have had my moments.......but "Any Luck" is mostly just a greeting between fishermen in my opinion.

Larry, I did say that the guy never even greeted me. I don't like to answer "Any luck?" to someone who I don't even know because my telling him "No" means I have to lie to the guy, and "Yes" would tip him off too much for a small spot. If it was reversed, I'll usually greet someone I don't know first, and if I get a reply, then I might venture to ask if he was having any luck. Usually, I'll wait for the guy to leave the spot and ask how he did, so it doesn't seem like I just got there and was looking for a report.

Larry, I did say that the guy never even greeted me. I don't like to answer "Any luck?" to someone who I don't even know because my telling him "No" means I have to lie to the guy, and "Yes" would tip him off too much for a small spot. If it was reversed, I'll usually greet someone I don't know first, and if I get a reply, then I might venture to ask if he was having any luck. Usually, I'll wait for the guy to leave the spot and ask how he did, so it doesn't seem like I just got there and was looking for a report.Have you ever thought that that "was" his greeting?JEEEZ!

Just wear camo and nobody will see you fishing in the secret spot.

As I said Harry..."Any Luck?" is my standard greeting to a fellow fisherman. Just because he asked it does not mean he is trying to learn all your secrets. Just being friendly. I won't be changing my greeting.....like it or not....thats who I am.

"Any Luck?":wave:

My brother in law use to cringe when we would be out fishing and someone would ask Any Luck? He would get mad at me cause I would answer them or tell them what I was using if they asked. I am sure I have asked the same question many times as a form of saying hi..not really for a serious response just as a kind of ice breaker. There will always be someone who will crowd you if they even think you are catching anything. I have even ended up fishing with a guy who approached me just that way....ended up liking him...go figure.

Here I am, minding my own business, picking away at a couple of fish, and along comes this tool. The conversation goes like this:
Tool-"Any luck ?"
Me-no answer
Tool-"ANY LUCK ?" (as if I may not have heard the first time)
Are you freakin' kidding me :af::af::af:??? Do you really expect me to tell you??? No hello, no greeting of any sort, and you want me to tell you if the fish are there :smash:??? I don't know you from a hole in the wall. You showed up at the end of the tide, way too late, probably so you could get a good night's sleep. I got home from work just before midnight last night, ate dinner, got a couple of hours of shuteye, and got up at o-dark thirty to catch the tide and the bite. DO YOU REALLY EXPECT ME TO TELL YOU ANYTHING, SO YOU CAN BE IN MY SPOT TOMORROW MORNING SO YOU CAN CROWD ME :fury:!!!????
Rant over, carry on :tooth:.

I don't blame you. At least someone could do is say hello first. Chat you up about the weather, or god forbid, be real nice and introduce himself, or barring that pat you on the fanny, wink at you, then ask how many, where you caught, and on what did you catch them with.

One more thing, and being serious this time. I respond to that question from someone I don't know about as well as I respond to someone saying, "hey, hey you", as I am walking away, because thats the most polite way they know how to hail someone they don't know. I don't turn around for hey or hey you, and I don't respond to fish questions from someone I don't know. I will tell anyone I do know when the come across me somewhere though.

Hey, I was gonna recommend decaf but I thought I'd check your member profile first

It says:

"flyvice11787 has not made any friends yet"

...:rotflmao:...:rotflmao:...:rotflmao:

So.....Any Luck?

I typically don't engage people, but when pressed I'll feign deafness.

I typically don't engage people, but when pressed I'll feign deafness.

I just shut my light off and go around them.

:lama:

WOW!!!
Just a simple question,which I am sure you have asked other fishermen many times!!!
And to refer to another human being as a TOOL???
May GOD BLESS YOU!!!

Like others, that's my standard fishing greeting.

Here are a few of my typical responses when greated that way:

"No"
"A few"
"Slow pick"
"Not bad"

When someone asks me "any luck", I reply "no", and usually I'm not lieing:(

I usually remain enthusiastically non-committal :grins:

No big deal really and maybe don't read too much into it...

Like others, that's my standard fishing greeting.

Here are a few of my typical responses when greated that way:

"No"
"A few"
"Slow pick"
"Not bad"

Some others to try when asked "Any luck?"

"You mean your wife didn't tell you?"
"Maybe.........is that a Van Staal you have there?"
"Are you kidding, this tuberculosis stuff is a biitch....(cough, cough)"
"Yup, the last guy only gurgled a little"
"Not unless you consider being penetrated by aliens fun"
"Absolutely! They're towing everyone else, but I walked"
"I'll say! They still haven't found any of the bodies"

I will sometimes try to interact with fellow fisherman. I fish hard, put my time in, and have paid my dues. I have no problem asking anyone "any luck?" I am always trying to learn more. And if they give me a attitude I will then mentaly F!@&* with them and then kick their arse.

I hear ya man, happened at the grocery store yesterday, this 80 yr old woman came behind me at the veggie bin and asked "Any specials on corn today?"
I said WTF GRANNY! Cant ya read, I been up all night clipping coupons trying to save to save a dime and you limp on up here and ask me id there is SPECIALS!!! Get a clue Grandma! There is a recession on and its every man for themself!







btw - Any Luck? is the equivalent of "hows it going" in the workplace. I say it all the time at work and can really care less how anybody's day is going. I say it when I bump into someone fishing and care less if they are catching anything. Its just a greeting

haha .. thats funny .. Have you ever been snubbed by a fellow fisher thats obviously a newb ? He's fishing an area you've been fishing for years and you make contact trying to help the pathetic SOB out ? Then he snubs you ,, the clam up ,,the look .. So you just walk away letting him fish the schoolie area . You just never know when your the dull knife in the draw ... :laughs:

Uh oh, I always say that. I guess I could say Hello Sir, first but then again I've never let what anyone told me keep me from fishing. I already decided to fish there and usually for a reason.

I say that as well. I must be a googan....:tooth:

:rotf3:I hear ya man, happened at the grocery store yesterday, this 80 yr old woman came behind me at the veggie bin and asked "Any specials on corn today?"
I said WTF GRANNY! Cant ya read, I been up all night clipping coupons trying to save to save a dime and you limp on up here and ask me id there is SPECIALS!!! Get a clue Grandma! There is a recession on and its every man for themself!







btw - Any Luck? is the equivalent of "hows it going" in the workplace. I say it all the time at work and can really care less how anybody's day is going. I say it when I bump into someone fishing and care less if they are catching anything. Its just a greeting

Maybe you should channel that anger towards the improvement of the striper population and not tear a guy up. I'm quite sure you didnt come out of your mothers womb and know how to fish or where. Its the self righteous pricks that give us a bad name. You never know who your talking to or in this case ignoring. Someday youll be a lonely fisherman.

my response most of the time is "i just got here"

You shoulda shot him dead where he stood.The nerve of some people.:fury:

Lighten up Francis! I'm sure he wasn't looking for all your secrets.

1. Just lie. "Sure, I have been slammin' em for hours. The bite just died. You should have been here 2 hours ago".

2. Tell the "Tool" you work for the Post Office and always "carry".

3. Buy a boat like I did so you can just drive away from all of the "Tools".

"Don't fish angry".........Redlite 2008

First off, I noticed on another thread you were counting/observing herring....now you're quoting eel fishermen....what gives here? You ok?

i like:claps: your respond,:cheers2: as i c it u could have said to him ,so wtf do u realy expect me to tell a rere like u any thing about wtf is going on???.:rotflmao:...or u could have said nothing ,and played like a dummy.u could play either role :tm: (imo) get u meds checked:sleeps::agree:

i like:claps: your respond,:cheers2: as i c it u could have said to him ,so wtf do u realy expect me to tell a rere like u any thing about wtf is going on???.:rotflmao:...or u could have said nothing ,and played like a dummy.u could play either role :tm: (imo) get u meds checked:sleeps::agree:

Somehow, I think a lot of people think I lit up this guy and ripped him a new one. This is the entire exchange.

Tool-"Any luck ?"
Me-no answer
Tool-"ANY LUCK ?" (as if I may not have heard the first time)

I never uttered a peep. Played deaf, made a few more casts and left because the bite was pretty much over. Everything in my post after that was just what i was thinking to myself which became an internet rant because this guy was probably sleeping in his feety pajamas through the best part of the tide :rotflmao:.

Somehow, I think a lot of people think I lit up this guy and ripped him a new one. This is the entire exchange.

Tool-"Any luck ?"
Me-no answer
Tool-"ANY LUCK ?" (as if I may not have heard the first time)

I never uttered a peep. Played deaf, made a few more casts and left because the bite was pretty much over. Everything in my post after that was just what i was thinking to myself which became an internet rant because this guy was probably sleeping in his feety pajamas through the best part of the tide :rotflmao:.

Now I understand, you did'nt say anything to him because he was a normal human being. Not that I fit that description.
My brother caught fish last night in RI, so I think it is fishing time. I can tell they were small because he did'nt tell how big they were.

I just give a nod and if the other person wants to say hello I'll return it.I've said hello to other fisherman and got the fake deaf and blind response.Made me angry at the time so now it's just a nod.

if you want to fish and not see anyone else, go to Alaska. This is New England and the season is starting up again, cut the guy some slack, show some courtesy. If thats impossible which it sounds like it is for you, make sure you never get a job involving public service.

long ago fishermen were gentlemen and courteous, don't tell me your so hard core this April that you can't at the very least be a gentlemen. I'm not saying your out of line or over-reacting, just remember that fishing is supposed to be fun for everyone.

In our line of business things can get real dicey real fast, you never know when one of your fellow surfcasting buddies or a complete stranger can assist you if your in trouble. Accidents happen, slip on a rock, banged up on the rocks, its nice to know that the person who you treated with dignity and respect is not only gonna help you out of the wash, they just might be the one helping you wade through 4 feet of water looking for that new Van Staal setup you were using!

Respect one another, respect the water, catch fish and be happy.

Hi Flyvice, It was me who you ignored the other day. As you can tell from my screen name, I was just introducing myself to you. I had my hand out. I said "Annie Luk" and was about to say nice to meet you, but you wouldn't even turn around. So I said again, Annie Luk. Sat there with my hand out and was completely ignored. If you had bothered to turn around, you would have noticed I was a hot blond partaking in some naked fishing that day with some of my girlfriends. Oh well, we killed'em anyway that day.

I don't blame him, those girls were probably using eels.

Reminds me of a friend of mine who was riding his motorcycle down the road one day, walking down the side of the road was a guy who was known, probably not to his face, as Dummy. Being a teenage boy he feels compelled to yell "Hey, Dummy". He dumped the bike after another corner, broke his leg and is laying in the ditch as the guy walks by and says "who's the dummy, now?"

Just a greeting, don't feel obligated to give any info. The guy is already there and if you're catching he'll soon know.

Somehow, I think a lot of people think I lit up this guy and ripped him a new one. This is the entire exchange.

Tool-"Any luck ?"
Me-no answer
Tool-"ANY LUCK ?" (as if I may not have heard the first time)

I never uttered a peep. Played deaf, made a few more casts and left because the bite was pretty much over. Everything in my post after that was just what i was thinking to myself which became an internet rant because this guy was probably sleeping in his feety pajamas through the best part of the tide :rotflmao:.

maybe its just me, but if anyone is willing to talk to me while im out fishing and im not into a fish at that moment, ill put my rod down for five minutes and have a nice chat. i find it a nice way to relax and possibly learn something new as im still young and have a lot to learn about the sport and the spots that i fish. 9/10 times that i have done that, the person that has asked me quote "any luck" is the person that i end up chatting with for 5-10 mins and finding out what he did to hook up with fish recently. for instance, i was on the vineyard fishing last summer and a guy came up to me at night and asked just that. i said nah nothing really and ive been out here for 2 hours and tried just about every plug in my bag. he said he had been out ther the past few nights and tried everything too until last night he rigged up a teaser in front of his danny and was hitting them HARD. i took his advice immediately and within hour or so, had a 32# on the rocks. i would have never tried that if i had not engaged in any conversation... i always have felt if you are nice to someone, they will show u that exact same gratitude. too many "spots" are known these days and the people that you meet at those spots are obviouslllyyyy there for a reason ---> cause they know fish are there. now why you wouldnt try to engage in a little chit chat to see how things are and if that person was using a plug that you werent to catch fish, then i dont know what to tell ya.... fishing has always supposed to be fun for me and i never mind helping someone out.

and btw, "any luck" would be the first thing that came out of my mouth too :humpty:

"any luck' is basically the universal hello between fisherman. I seriously doubt this guy was looking for any info from you at all. D*@k move if you ask me.

I'm just gonna start greeting people with "Hey F you, you F'n F!"

Not too wise to call the guy out as a tool for asking a question we all ask on a forum where people come to learn more about the sport they love by asking and answering questions. You can either read all the posts and say, "I'm right and everyone else is wrong," or think about what people took the time to write.

Life's too short for being a miserable SOB, you know?

STOP the B S .....if any of u r out fishing your secret spot and some not so swift nummie fisherman wants you to spill your guts about your secret info ... tell him that a zipperhead:jump1: rererere like him aint sharp enouph to use it :wall:....and talk to someone else this ain,t the bebate team at high school.....:gh: right fly:fishin:

STOP the B S .....if any of u r out fishing your secret spot and some not so swift nummie fisherman wants you to spill your guts about your secret info ... tell him that a zipperhead:jump1: rererere like him aint sharp enouph to use it :wall:....and talk to someone else this ain,t the bebate team at high school.....:gh: right fly:fishin:


sooo from the opening line of "any luck" , how the #$%# did you deduce that he is a "rererere like him & not so swift fisherman" that "aint sharp enouph to use it " ??? it could have been any one of us, who are probably pretty good fisherman, that would have opened a conversation like that? and if the spots soooooooo secret, why is he there??? ok back to studying :read:

Its Funny, but the thing I like the best about the Fall run up on the North Shore is just bumping into people and BS'ing for a few minutes....

While "Any luck?" is a common greeting, in my opinion, it is also a way for someone to glean info from you.

To all of you who think I am in the wrong, let yourself be put in the situation. You are at your honey hole, with a consistent bite going on. There's another angler there, putting in his time, doing his thing, who probably has seen you pick up fish. Along comes John Doe, who asks you "Any luck?". There are basically 3 things you can do, with very little upside.

1-Tell him no, and be found out to be a lying SOB (whether he finds out from the other guy or if you start catching fish in front of John Doe).

2-Answer yes, and risk burning your spot (unfortunately this happens too much around these parts). The only upside would be that he returns the favor one day (which may not happen).

3-Say nothing (which is what I did) and be thought a secretive SOB. I called him a tool because he showed up at the end of the tide with the sun coming up, and because in my opinion, he was trying to get info from me.

What would you do???

What would you do???

Depending on my take of the person, briefly respond non specific & non-committal. No harm, no foul, maybe or maybe not no info. Depends on the encounter.

Tell him you caught a bunch of 30 pounders about 200 yards down the beach about a week ago??? But tonight is kind of quiet!:bgi:

Depending on my take of the person, briefly respond non specific & non-committal. No harm, no foul, maybe or maybe not no info. Depends on the encounter.

Basically, choice 3. So you're being a sneaky son of a gun.

Tell him you caught a bunch of 30 pounders about 200 yards down the beach about a week ago??? But tonight is kind of quiet!:bgi:

There isn't 200 yards of beach at my spot. You picked choice 1, you lying SOB ;).

:musc:

Excuse me kind sir, please do not immediately get upset or assume I am here to highjack your spot, tangle your line, spy on what you are doing then run home and post our, i mean your success all over the internet as if it was my information; I have been fishing this spot since my father taught me and intended to fish here all by myself but alas you are here before me so I felt I should at least make the appropriate greeting so that you are not offended in any way shape or form as that is surely not my intention. I will pass by you and find a spot out of your way where there is absolutely zero possibility of my bothering you anymore than I probably already have. Oh yeah, before I forget kind sir, any luck?????

That was downright rude. I would rather be acknowledged and lied to, then completely ignored.

Yeah I hate that question "Any luck" cause if there's not a fish at my feet then the answer is "no" but I am willing to make friends with anyone who's addicted enough to be standing out on some slimey rocks in the middle of the night. Just the fact that we're both out there is something in common.

with a boat....the other day...
(perfect stranger) i asked him a question and he answered with body language indicating that he wanted little conversation....

:rude:....not only did i tell the guy where to fish.... and at what depth...

i gave him the precise lure to catch them on.... at my spot

did he believe me....? i dunno....:lasso: ( years from now, i'll see him again tho)............. he now has the ball....

will he go there... probably...
or maybe... a couple of buddies joined him right after wards...

i did the right thing...in my minds eye to appease the fishing gods.

as it was a very beautiful day:read:

sooo from the opening line of "any luck" , how the #$%# did you deduce that he is a "rererere like him & not so swift fisherman" that "aint sharp enouph to use it " ??? it could have been any one of us, who are probably pretty good fisherman, that would have opened a conversation like that? and if the spots soooooooo secret, why is he there??? ok back to studying :read:

kidpowder. as for pretty good fisherman .. i watched u and others fish, don't flatter yourself.. with thinking u know whats going on about how to fish, where to fish what to fish or when ..someone will tell u that. the reason that he's on my spot is that a fellow rere told him,rere's can't keep sercets.. i know,,,cause i is a rere too

Man, flyvice, you need to take a few deep breaths, get off the steroids, and cut down on your raw meat. And maybe go lay on a couch in some shrink's office for a session or two...I thought the point of getting out there was to relax.

I'm a weekend warrior who enjoys fishing when I can get out there, which means when I'm not at work, not doing something on the house, not playing with the little guy or the dog. Which means I get out there 15 times a year, give or take, for the last 15 years. I bet I have greeted 99% of the fisherman I come across by saying "any luck"? As others have said, it's the fishing equivalent of "how's it goin?"

It never, ever occurred to me that I'd trigger a paranoid response from the lunatic I had the misfortune to come across.

When I'm fortunate enough to get out there, particularly when I'm having any success whatsoever, my blood pressure is so low you wouldn't be able to measure it. If you're that tightly wound in what should be a relaxing situation, how do you cope with real-life stressful situations?

kidpowder. as for pretty good fisherman .. i watched u and others fish, don't flatter yourself.. with thinking u know whats going on about how to fish, where to fish what to fish or when ..someone will tell u that. the reason that he's on my spot is that a fellow rere told him,rere's can't keep sercets.. i know,,,cause i is a rere too

Ageed.

1. There are no "secret" spots. Why would you think you are the first human to fish from that spot?

2. As soon as you think you know what you are doing you have taken all the spirit out of the game. I've put back more 40s in a night than most of you will catch in a lifetime. Because I'm good? No way! I was in the right place, at the right time and God smiled upon me.

40 years in the surf and 3 in the boat and everytime I fish I find out that I don't know *^&%#%

Wah Wah Wah.... so someone asked if you were having any luck and it pissed you off? Perhaps you should have replied, "I have been picking off a few, how have you been doing this season so far?" That tool may have told you he had been into fish all night at ___________.

Any Luck? is a common question and if you are that miserable fishing perhaps you should find a hobby you enjoy.
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I agree with this!! Why so angry? If you don't want to answer the question honestly then stretch the truth, but at least be polite!

Fisherman should be like brothers that all take part in one of the most enjoyable and relaxing past times that is on this earth. "Can't we all just get along?"

To all the posters who see this as a very negative post, see my post stating that I believe there are only 3 types of answers to the question "Any luck?" when i am into fish and someone shows up late. Some form of "Yes", some form of "No", or silence.
Then you need to understand that the spot I was fishing is a very small spot. A very small piece of structure in a small location.
I don't need to feed information to someone so he can come back and "share" the spot with me. Of course it is not "my" spot, it's a public place. I would just rather not have someone I do not know crowding me. The reason I was angry is that the guy wanted to know if there are fish there. In the original post, I was pretty clear that I put in my due diligence, being there after working late and with little sleep. Why should he be entitled to find out what is going on without his putting in the time? Why do I need to have to lie to the guy? I would rather not answer than have to lie to someone. As another member pointed out, had I shared info with this guy, it may have been reciprocated, but that may not be the case. If I am missing out on a bite somewhere else, it's either I am not doing my homework, or it is just my loss as I can't be everywhere at once.
There is certain information that can be shared and locations discussed, this just didn't happen to be it.

flypapervice... lets face it u did yourself....never post what u think unless u plan to get youself shi t on by the shi t tossers....who cares what u think???? i dont and i,m the only one cares ...laugh it up .some night u my need someone to talk to.....

He Was Just Saying HI....Geesh :huh:

Lots of Guys do it....."Any Luck"..."How's It Going"..."How ya Makin Out"....Just a way of saying Hi.......Thats all.

Some people actually look at fishing as a Fun, Friendly Endeavor.

To all the posters who see this as a very negative post, see my post stating that I believe there are only 3 types of answers to the question "Any luck?" when i am into fish and someone shows up late. Some form of "Yes", some form of "No", or silence.
Then you need to understand that the spot I was fishing is a very small spot. A very small piece of structure in a small location.
I don't need to feed information to someone so he can come back and "share" the spot with me. Of course it is not "my" spot, it's a public place. I would just rather not have someone I do not know crowding me. The reason I was angry is that the guy wanted to know if there are fish there. In the original post, I was pretty clear that I put in my due diligence, being there after working late and with little sleep. Why should he be entitled to find out what is going on without his putting in the time? Why do I need to have to lie to the guy? I would rather not answer than have to lie to someone. As another member pointed out, had I shared info with this guy, it may have been reciprocated, but that may not be the case. If I am missing out on a bite somewhere else, it's either I am not doing my homework, or it is just my loss as I can't be everywhere at once.
There is certain information that can be shared and locations discussed, this just didn't happen to be it.

thats a fair response flyvice, and though i would not have responded with the "silent treatment", when you explain it as you did in this response, i guess i understand where you were coming from a little more. i have walked by many people on the beach that have chosen not to mention anything to my question "hi, hows it going?" but like you said, some people just want to fish and dont want to be interrupted. there are many different kinds of people out there fishing who all fish for different reasons.... now, tell me where your little spot is so i can determine if there are fish there or not :wid:

never post what u think unless u plan to get youself shi t on by the shi t tossers....



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To all the posters who see this as a very negative post, see my post stating that I believe there are only 3 types of answers to the question "Any luck?" when i am into fish and someone shows up late. Some form of "Yes", some form of "No", or silence.
Then you need to understand that the spot I was fishing is a very small spot. A very small piece of structure in a small location.
I don't need to feed information to someone so he can come back and "share" the spot with me. Of course it is not "my" spot, it's a public place. I would just rather not have someone I do not know crowding me. The reason I was angry is that the guy wanted to know if there are fish there. In the original post, I was pretty clear that I put in my due diligence, being there after working late and with little sleep. Why should he be entitled to find out what is going on without his putting in the time? Why do I need to have to lie to the guy? I would rather not answer than have to lie to someone. As another member pointed out, had I shared info with this guy, it may have been reciprocated, but that may not be the case. If I am missing out on a bite somewhere else, it's either I am not doing my homework, or it is just my loss as I can't be everywhere at once.
There is certain information that can be shared and locations discussed, this just didn't happen to be it.

you had me sympathizing (not that you care, nor should you honestly) till this post.. and since you threw out your opinion i guess i'll toss out mine. i mean it's only fair we all get too right?

where you lost me... is in the selfish over tone of this post. i understand the frustration of being out all night and then it seems like someone wants an easy path to the fish. but at the same time, is catching a few fish really more important treating a fellow fishermen (person at the least) with some respect? if you were having a rough night and just wanted to be left alone fine. everyone has nights like that. but for the reasoning to be "i was there longer and studied the area harder, so those are my fish" (which you can vehemently deny, but thats pretty much what you said about the night in question) is just re-donk-u-lous. in the 20 years i have fishing (mostly fresh mind you) i think there is one spot i picked out all my own with no prior knowledge. and i was 5 years old at the time. since then every single spot i have found has been the result of some one else's knowledge. whether i got it from reading a book or listening at bait shops etc. at some point some one else had previous knowledge of the spot/conditions/structure type/etc.. it would be unfathomable to think that at some point in time that any spot i or you fished was not known to someone else at some point. and more than likely the same info that steered you to that spot probably steered others.

thats not say that their aren't instant tips that people chose to, or chose not to give for certain spots. but i am willing to bet with 125% certainty that you learned about that type of structure to fish from some one else willing to divulge the information about it.

let's look at it like this. you have never fished before. some one hands you a rod and reel. and let's say... a popper. keep in mind you have no idea how to fish. or even what fish are out there. and this person says catch a striper. with no further instructions. what the heck would you do? i am willing to bet you wouldnt be catching any fish.

point being fishing is a sport of information. for someone to assume that someone else is not going to be out there scouting and asking around for info is ridiculous. infact 90% of the sport revolves around the sharing of info and ideas. (the other 10% is radical new ideas that then ofcourse get shared) even that crap you read on the packaging of plugs was at one time probably "top secret" info. that is if everyone followed that same rational of "i found this out so it's mine". you probably wouldn't have a leg to stand on. and neither would i nor would 90% of fishermen out there today.

it's just like every other craft out there. trial and error. LOTS AND LOTS of ERROR passed on from generation to generation. with out any of the passing on of knowledge what do any of us have? a bunch of gear we have no idea what to do with.

i have learned sooooooooo much about fishing from other people i can't even begin to sum it up. but with out all those random people i have run into. including these boards. i would be beyond lost. i probably still wouldn't know to look for structure at all. hell i probably wouldn't even know what the fish ate. let alone where to fish for them.

like i said i understand a bad day wanting to be left alone. we all have days like that and go out and do what we enjoy to help relieve the stress. and will lie or ignore people just due to not wanting to deal with people. (though PERSONALLY the last thing i do when i want to ignore people is go outside, don't have the liberty of consistently empty spots) but to say you ignored this guy because (for whatever reason) you are entitled to the fish there, is in MY opinion, completely the wrong thing to do.

Hit some sweet water this am and a guy shows up and what do you think the first 2 words out of his mouth were??? Any guesses??? Hmmmmmm??? If you guessed "Any Luck?" you would be right......I simply responded "Nope...not yet".:huh:

Hit some sweet water this am and a guy shows up and what do you think the first 2 words out of his mouth were??? Any guesses??? Hmmmmmm??? If you guessed "Any Luck?" you would be right......I simply responded "Nope...not yet".:huh:

hmmmmm.. you and sweet water. something i haven't heard much about. so i can't tell if you were lying or not. :hihi:

thats a fair response flyvice, and though i would not have responded with the "silent treatment", when you explain it as you did in this response, i guess i understand where you were coming from a little more. i have walked by many people on the beach that have chosen not to mention anything to my question "hi, hows it going?" but like you said, some people just want to fish and dont want to be interrupted. there are many different kinds of people out there fishing who all fish for different reasons.... now, tell me where your little spot is so i can determine if there are fish there or not :wid:

The fish are where Bigfish says :rolleyes:.

Tell him you caught a bunch of 30 pounders about 200 yards down the beach about a week ago??? But tonight is kind of quiet!:bgi:

you had me sympathizing (not that you care, nor should you honestly) till this post.. and since you threw out your opinion i guess i'll toss out mine. i mean it's only fair we all get too right?

where you lost me... is in the selfish over tone of this post. i understand the frustration of being out all night and then it seems like someone wants an easy path to the fish. but at the same time, is catching a few fish really more important treating a fellow fishermen (person at the least) with some respect? if you were having a rough night and just wanted to be left alone fine. everyone has nights like that. but for the reasoning to be "i was there longer and studied the area harder, so those are my fish" (which you can vehemently deny, but thats pretty much what you said about the night in question) is just re-donk-u-lous. in the 20 years i have fishing (mostly fresh mind you) i think there is one spot i picked out all my own with no prior knowledge. and i was 5 years old at the time. since then every single spot i have found has been the result of some one else's knowledge. whether i got it from reading a book or listening at bait shops etc. at some point some one else had previous knowledge of the spot/conditions/structure type/etc.. it would be unfathomable to think that at some point in time that any spot i or you fished was not known to someone else at some point. and more than likely the same info that steered you to that spot probably steered others.

thats not say that their aren't instant tips that people chose to, or chose not to give for certain spots. but i am willing to bet with 125% certainty that you learned about that type of structure to fish from some one else willing to divulge the information about it.

let's look at it like this. you have never fished before. some one hands you a rod and reel. and let's say... a popper. keep in mind you have no idea how to fish. or even what fish are out there. and this person says catch a striper. with no further instructions. what the heck would you do? i am willing to bet you wouldnt be catching any fish.

point being fishing is a sport of information. for someone to assume that someone else is not going to be out there scouting and asking around for info is ridiculous. infact 90% of the sport revolves around the sharing of info and ideas. (the other 10% is radical new ideas that then ofcourse get shared) even that crap you read on the packaging of plugs was at one time probably "top secret" info. that is if everyone followed that same rational of "i found this out so it's mine". you probably wouldn't have a leg to stand on. and neither would i nor would 90% of fishermen out there today.

it's just like every other craft out there. trial and error. LOTS AND LOTS of ERROR passed on from generation to generation. with out any of the passing on of knowledge what do any of us have? a bunch of gear we have no idea what to do with.

i have learned sooooooooo much about fishing from other people i can't even begin to sum it up. but with out all those random people i have run into. including these boards. i would be beyond lost. i probably still wouldn't know to look for structure at all. hell i probably wouldn't even know what the fish ate. let alone where to fish for them.

like i said i understand a bad day wanting to be left alone. we all have days like that and go out and do what we enjoy to help relieve the stress. and will lie or ignore people just due to not wanting to deal with people. (though PERSONALLY the last thing i do when i want to ignore people is go outside, don't have the liberty of consistently empty spots) but to say you ignored this guy because (for whatever reason) you are entitled to the fish there, is in MY opinion, completely the wrong thing to do.

At no point have I denied that there is a selfish aspect to the whole thing. I have enough respect for myself and him not to lie 5 seconds into a conversation. I could run into him again, and would rather be thought rude or secretive than a liar. I've said all along he wasn't paying his dues. I'm just PO'd over someone just showing up and wanting something handed to them. I've fished the spot for some 30 years. I've seen many "regulars" come and go, and here comes someone I do not recognize essentially asking for information. It wasn't as if he was there and saw me catching while he was struggling, and asked me what I was using or if I was doing something than he was. There is something to be said for putting some time in. Phrased the right way, in the right context, I have no problems answering questions and helping someone. But to show up and ask if fish are there, nope. Put the time in and maybe see some fish pushing bait, or maybe even see someone else catch, or holy smoke, catch fish on your own!!!

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I'm just PO'd over someone just showing up and wanting something handed to them.

all he asked was "any luck?" i still dont see how u are "handing" him something... its not like hes gonna pack up and leave if u said no :hidin:

So let me inflame the conversation.

About 7 or 8 years ago I posted this story and got severly chastised for my response. Let's see what comes out of it this time.

So it's 2 in the morning. I am out on a reef in RI. 472 miles of coat line and this guy is coming out.

Here comes a light wading the reef right to the only rock you can stand on in reasonable safty at this point in the tide. This guy finally get on my rock an elbow away and says, yep you guess it, "Any Luck".

I told him to get the #**^&% off of my rock.

Was I insensitive or do I have a right to protect my turf?

So let me inflame the conversation.

About 7 or 8 years ago I posted this story and got severly chastised for my response. Let's see what comes out of it this time.

So it's 2 in the morning. I am out on a reef in RI. 472 miles of coat line and this guy is coming out.

Here comes a light wading the reef right to the only rock you can stand on in reasonable safty at this point in the tide. This guy finally get on my rock an elbow away and says, yep you guess it, "Any Luck".

I told him to get the #**^&% off of my rock.

Was I insensitive or do I have a right to protect my turf?

In your case, you had every right to have the rock to yourself. If it was a huge rock where he could fish a decent distance away, you shouldn't have a problem. But it sounds like he was on top of you. And, you were there first.

I'd be willing to bet that since he knew right where to go, he probably thought that it was you on "his rock", though. He probably walked away thinking to himself "I can't believe that jerkwad rockblocked me".

I'd just say:kewl: "Hey man, I been sittiin' here eatin' tabs of orange sunshine like they were M&M's since noon. I can't even see the water!!! There's water? What water?!? Did you know your face is all purple and melty with some squiggly lime green lines??? You shoulda' been here earlier when the pebbles washing up on the beach were chanting Inna Godda Da Vida!!! D you get a whiff of salt in the air around here?!? Why is it the sky so orange anyhow? You don't have an extra cap I can borrow to keep my head from exploding do ya?!?!:lossinit: Oh, Yeah...what was your qusetion??????????????

I'd just say:kewl: "Hey man, I been sittiin' here eatin' tabs of orange sunshine like they were M&M's since noon. I can't even see the water!!! There's water? What water?!? Did you know your face is all purple and melty with some squiggly lime green lines??? You shoulda' been here earlier when the pebbles washing up on the beach were chanting Inna Godda Da Vida!!! D you get a whiff of salt in the air around here?!? Why is it the sky so orange anyhow? You don't have an extra cap I can borrow to keep my head from exploding do ya?!?!:lossinit: Oh, Yeah...what was your qusetion??????????????

..and Tommy you know where I was:wavey:

So let me inflame the conversation.

About 7 or 8 years ago I posted this story and got severly chastised for my response. Let's see what comes out of it this time.

So it's 2 in the morning. I am out on a reef in RI. 472 miles of coat line and this guy is coming out.

Here comes a light wading the reef right to the only rock you can stand on in reasonable safty at this point in the tide. This guy finally get on my rock an elbow away and says, yep you guess it, "Any Luck".

I told him to get the #**^&% off of my rock.

Was I insensitive or do I have a right to protect my turf?

Big difference between being mugged and a simple "Any Luck Greeting"...

And to think after that you and rockhound became the closest of fishing partners. One of life little quirks I guess.

Big difference between being mugged and a simple "Any Luck Greeting"... And to think after that you and rockhound became the closest of fishing partners. One of life little quirks I guess.

I remember that story well, same year the DEM guy did the same thing :faga:
It wasn't me :jester: If I had been there I would have been on the rock 20yds to the right of Paul...

Eben did that to Paul once though...

Big difference between being mugged and a simple "Any Luck Greeting"...

And to think after that you and rockhound became the closest of fishing partners. One of life little quirks I guess.

agreed

In your case, you had every right to have the rock to yourself. If it was a huge rock where he could fish a decent distance away, you shouldn't have a problem. But it sounds like he was on top of you. And, you were there first.

I'd be willing to bet that since he knew right where to go, he probably thought that it was you on "his rock", though. He probably walked away thinking to himself "I can't believe that jerkwad rockblocked me".

and agreed again.

i woulda drowned that guy :tooth:

---> p.s. love the "rockblocked" quote :rotfl:

Sounds like its that time of the month. Poor dear

I remember that story well, same year the DEM guy did the same thing :faga:
It wasn't me :jester: If I had been there I would have been on the rock 20yds to the right of Paul...

Eben did that to Paul once though...

Bryan, you are right!!! He did! I forgot about that.

By the way, I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance

"WHATS UP" doesnt mean someone wants to know what's directly above your head in the sky where you are standing, just like "any luck" doesnt mean "tell me what youve caught, when, using what, and casting it where..." you follow?

"WHATS UP" doesnt mean someone wants to know what's directly above your head in the sky where you are standing, just like "any luck" doesnt mean "tell me what youve caught, when, using what, and casting it where..." you follow?

I know he didn't ask all that. But did you see my thought on this?

While "Any luck?" is a common greeting, in my opinion, it is also a way for someone to glean info from you.

In my opinion, he wanted confirmation of whether there are fish there. As I already explained, there is either yes, no, or no reply. If he wants to know if fish are around, he can either go to a report site, subscribe to a magazine with reports, or be there when the fish are. For the same reason I don't go and report where and what I am catching, I'm not inclined to tell someone I don't know that fish are present at a spot I'm fishing. He'll have to find out from someone else or be present when the fish are :uhuh:.

So let me inflame the conversation.

About 7 or 8 years ago I posted this story and got severly chastised for my response. Let's see what comes out of it this time.

So it's 2 in the morning. I am out on a reef in RI. 472 miles of coat line and this guy is coming out.

Here comes a light wading the reef right to the only rock you can stand on in reasonable safty at this point in the tide. This guy finally get on my rock an elbow away and says, yep you guess it, "Any Luck".

I told him to get the #**^&% off of my rock.

Was I insensitive or do I have a right to protect my turf?

While my spot isn't quite this small, 4 guys would be a crowd. And being I didn't confirm the fish were there, no one else but a friend I clued in has been there the last 3 mornings ;).

Wow , all this over "Any Luck"?

You can answere or ignore. Maybe he repeated it thinking you didn't hear him. You can answere or ignore a second time.

You acn also respond with a no even if you are having some luck. In fact I can remember when I fished the beaches more during the fall when people could drive the beach , we would actually hide the fish so that we could use the standard answere to that standard question. "Any Luck"?. then a really discouraged sounding "nope", Lying well is a big part of fishing. :) Pretty much if I don't know someone who asks , the answere is a friendly ...Nope.

Seems like the only thing done wrong here was to get angry about it. Oh well , we all have our moments. Hope it didn't spoil your trip.

Wow , all this over "Any Luck"?

You can answere or ignore. Maybe he repeated it thinking you didn't hear him. You can answere or ignore a second time.

You acn also respond with a no even if you are having some luck. In fact I can remember when I fished the beaches more during the fall when people could drive the beach , we would actually hide the fish so that we could use the standard answere to that standard question. "Any Luck"?. then a really discouraged sounding "nope", Lying well is a big part of fishing. :) Pretty much if I don't know someone who asks , the answere is a friendly ...Nope.

Seems like the only thing done wrong here was to get angry about it. Oh well , we all have our moments. Hope it didn't spoil your trip.

Like I said, I just don't want to come off as a liar, as there was a third person there who saw me catching :hihi:. Gotta save the lies for when I'm really backed into a corner :hee:.

all of you TAKE A PILL AND RELAX... I ONE MORE WEEK THE FISH WILL B HERE......

So let me inflame the conversation.


I told him to get the #**^&% off of my rock.

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Piemma, first let me say as a newbie to this site, I have learned a lot from your posts. Fatherhood forced me to recently switch from the boat to the surf, so I have a lot to learn.

You asked for comments on your story. Different people have different levels of tolerance, and situations are different. When I first started in the surf, I hit the Quonnie breechway on a Wednesday night at 1 AM. I was the only one there. All of a sudden a few more guys show up. Why can't I tell THEM to get off my rock?

I guess you could have used it as a learning situation for that guy, and politely explained to him the courtesy surfcasters are expected to show on eanother. I'm new at this, and I fish alone most of the time, so I can certainly see the possibility where I'm doing something that an experienced surfcaster might not like. If that's the case, I welcome any insights and tips on how to improve. Constructive criticism is fine.

With all due respect, if your first reaction was to tell me to get the ^*%$@# of "your rock", I would politely reply, "or what"? You're seriously going to take a swing at me over a public fishing spot? You're seriously willing to hurt me, get hurt yourself, get arrested, get sued, over a fishing spot?

Lots of internet chest-thumping on this topic. I can't believe so many of you are that confrontational. Not typical of my experience, where boaters and fisherman have shown to be friendly, helpful, and laid-back. I'll chalk it up to being internet tough guys, I hope that's what it is...or I sure don't belong here.

Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

You have to understand where I was and the time in the morning and the fact that there are 30 other spots to fish within 100 yards of where I was standing. You also need to understand that this guy waded through water, for a considerable distance, to get to me. He could see that it's one rock about 6 feet across and there is only room for one guy.

If he was wise he would have gone right by me as surfcasters are a solitary lot. If I wanted a fishing partner RI Rockhound or Nebe or JoeP would have been with me.

No, I wouldn't have gotten violent. If he didn't leave I would have calmly reliquished my spot to him, waded back to land and then shined my light on him for the next hour.

If you think that surf casting is a team sport you probably shouldn't be here. 30 years ago when we were market hunters and sold fish for serious money it would have been a different story. Ask some of the old guys about the days on The Back. The sharpies "carried" and it was war if there was encroachment.

Sorry you didn't like my reaction. I would be interested to see yours, in the same situation.

Suppose you were in your boat and a clown pulled up withing 10 feet of you. Would you offer him coffee and pleasantries or would you tell him to *&&%#$ off?

Lots of internet chest-thumping on this topic. I can't believe so many of you are that confrontational. Not typical of my experience, where boaters and fisherman have shown to be friendly, helpful, and laid-back. I'll chalk it up to being internet tough guys, I hope that's what it is...or I sure don't belong here.

Nahh, Jim it's okay - ya don't have to go anywhere, surfcasters are just a different breed as opposed to their boating brethren that you're more used to -

For the most part, it's posturing, not unlike Gorillas in the Mist...

Of course, the threatening old silverback could be piemma...:shocked:



This is from The Hibernian Center of Comparative Zoology:

"Surfcasters - like the rest of the simian world - can be fiercely territorial when provoked.

While the younger male surfcasters are gregarious and known to travel over a broad range in larger groups, the older male specimens often become solitary in their search for prey and tend to frequent a much smaller area

Ordinarily quiet and focused in their nocturnal search, they can become quite agitated if surprised or provoked and should be approached with caution in the wild.

Little else is known about the species given the difficulty of studying them without alerting them to the presence of the observer."




.....:hihi:

Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion.


Sorry you didn't like my reaction. I would be interested to see yours, in the same situation.

Suppose you were in your boat and a clown pulled up withing 10 feet of you. Would you offer him coffee and pleasantries or would you tell him to *&&%#$ off?

First, as I explained, I was in that exact situation at Quonnie. I'm by myself, and all of a sudden these guys are right on top of me. I'm a very laid-back, non-confrontational guy, so I politely asked why they were gathering around me (as I said, it was my first time there). They explained the rotation, and I was fine with it, as I have never felt comfortable calling "firsties". If I'm in a spot, and someone else who can only fish once a week, drives for 3 hours to get to that spot, I'll accommodate him if I can.

In the boat, it has hapened many many times. The fish erupt right where I happen to be, and everyone comes zooming over. When it stops being fun, I move to somewhere where I can enjoy myself.

I'm out there to relax, recharge the batteries, and have fun, not to get in a fight. I did 2 tours in Iraq, I know what's worth fighting over, and what's absolutely not worth getting upset about.

Sorry if I assumed you were leaning toward violense. Get the $%@$ off my rock sounds like a threat to me.

I gather you bought a boat recently. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. I felt like someone cut a piece of my heart out the day I sold it, and I look forward to guying another once the time is right.

Fair winds and calm seas, and thanks for all the advice you give,

Jim

I think that comparing the ends of the RI breachways to a rock in the surf is a little like apples and oranges. Do people think that if they get to the end of the breachway first they own it? I don't know the right answer or if there is one. There are lots of rocks in the surf, some are better than others, pick another one if someone is on that one. If I think it's worthwhile to be in a rotation I'll go to a breachway and almost always have fun. You usually get what you give on the end of a breachway.

nobody expects to be alone on a breachway but if someone tried to get on a rock i waded out to would get the same response from me that paul gave them

Hit some sweet water this am and a guy shows up and what do you think the first 2 words out of his mouth were??? Any guesses??? Hmmmmmm??? If you guessed "Any Luck?" you would be right......I simply responded "Nope...not yet".:huh:

That no good sonofab!tch

I think that comparing the ends of the RI breachways to a rock in the surf is a little like apples and oranges. Do people think that if they get to the end of the breachway first they own it? I don't know the right answer or if there is one. There are lots of rocks in the surf, some are better than others, pick another one if someone is on that one. If I think it's worthwhile to be in a rotation I'll go to a breachway and almost always have fun. You usually get what you give on the end of a breachway.

I don't mean to beat a dead horse...

But you get the difference between the end of a breechway, and say the end of the East Wall, because someone explained it to you. It's not something that's obvious to a newbie like me.

So if I'm at the end of ONE jetty (say the Quonnie Breechway) and I'm by myself, I have to accomodate others who show up later.

But if I want to fish the end of the East Wall, and someone is already there, he can tell me to "get the %$@# off my rock".

Again, there was some internet tough guy language on this thread. The point is, I'm a pretty reasonable guy, and a pretty smart guy. There is no way I would ever distinguish between the right to call "firsties" at the end of the East Wall but not at Quonnie.

Now that I have been there and asked the question, I get it, and I have no problem abiding by it.

But I'll ask all the experts to understand that at some point in time, they were novices too. If someone is violating some rule of etiquette, it doesn't mean they deserve a beating, it could be innocent ignorance (which it woul dbe in my case). Instead of using the juvenile 'roid-rage approach which many of you seem to fancy, you might want to give me the same lesson that someone once gave you.

No one was born knowing, among other things, why there is a rotation at Quoiine and not everywhere else. Get over yourselves...

Jim in CT, you're pretty quick to judge others here based on not knowing the situation. Telling people you don't know to "get over themselves" is pretty short-sighted. I don't know the spot Piemma is referring to, but I'd be willing to bet my life that it's not a spot a "newbie" would be fishing at 2 in the morning. The jetties and breachways attract a lot of newbies and inexperienced people because of the easy access and the fact that they are well known spots.

Question for you. Would you be wading out to a small rock in an unfamiliar and potentially dangerous area in the middle of the night by yourself?

The question "Any Luck" has been removed from my vocabulary. It has been replaced by "Catch Anything %$%$%$%$ers?"

Jim in CT, you're pretty quick to judge others here based on not knowing the situation. Telling people you don't know to "get over themselves" is pretty short-sighted. I don't know the spot Piemma is referring to, but I'd be willing to bet my life that it's not a spot a "newbie" would be fishing at 2 in the morning. The jetties and breachways attract a lot of newbies and inexperienced people because of the easy access and the fact that they are well known spots.

Question for you. Would you be wading out to a small rock in an unfamiliar and potentially dangerous area in the middle of the night by yourself?

I don't like this thread, and I have no wish to prolong it. But I'm going to address what you asked. Emails have a tendency to sound harsher than they are intended, and if that's the case, let me apologize...

"you're pretty quick to judge others here based on not knowing the situation"

This thread, and the other one about encroaching, suggested an obvious hostility and paranoia about sharing what is, I'm sorry to break it to you, a public resource. To an outsider looking in (I'm not a close part of this community here), there are TONS of examples of an "us versus them" mentality. It's glaringly obvious that many here resent having to share an admittedly limited, but nonetheless public, resource.

It is that feeling that I think some here need to "get over". If that sentiment doesn't really exist here, I apologize. But I can point to several threads just in the last few days that really suggest that mentality, which again, I don't understand.


"Would you be wading out to a small rock in an unfamiliar and potentially dangerous area in the middle of the night by yourself?"

No, I wouldn't, not one that was unfamiliar. But I do have my spots, and there have been times when guys showed up after me, and I have no problem moving over, or even giving him a cold beer if he's a friendly sort.

quote: Emails have a tendency to sound harsher than they are intended
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if i said it in a harsh tone quickly - as in- GET OVER IT ! :fury:
that makes me quite angry to say the least

if said in a general acceptance tone as in - you'll get over it :uhuh:
that makes me think that someday i will

if said in the way: your gonna have to get over it... dude..:confused:
asking you to please have some patience...
that's a whole other deal...

there is no inflection of voice here ........other than smiley's :)

I think this is a rock as opposed to a breachway or a rock that two can share. This is a very nice rock in a very nice place. Pics by Zeno from an old thread. Don't take the internet too seriously.
:bgi:

How do you handle a Rotation on that Rock?

How do you handle a Rotation on that Rock?

You take turns swimming laps out to the rock :grins:.

This thread, and the other one about encroaching, suggested an obvious hostility and paranoia about sharing what is, I'm sorry to break it to you, a public resource.

Jim,
This thread was not about sharing the spot. I left the guy fishing at the spot. I just did not indicate there were fish there. It was up to him to figure out that there were fish there. My gripe was the fact that someone wanted me to share information about a certain spot which I did not want to do. It became a back and forth about whether or not "Any luck?" is a greeting or a question of whether there are fish at a certain area. I believe it is the latter. As I was standing on a very specific piece of structure, I chose not to divulge any information to someone I didn't know. If the question had been asked of me in the parking lot, I may have answered that there are some fish around, without giving away the specific spot. Even though the question was generic, the spot was very specific. Got it :hee:?

:deadhorse:

Got it :hee:?
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FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS
WILL SOMEBODY EUTHANIZE THIS #&#*#ING THREAD

this thread has run it's course...if it ever had one
I'm gonna lock-er-up.....buh-bye