http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/ny-nyscar2812702437apr27,0,6680181.story

They couldn't be this stupid, could they?

Sure it wasn't these dudes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5_ijICEa2w

Took you about 3 hours longer than I thought to bring that up.

Brilliant!!!

Took you about 3 hours longer than I thought to bring that up.

Why didn't you mention it?

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/ny-nyscar2812702437apr27,0,6680181.story

They couldn't be this stupid, could they?

Looks like this was a pretty standard event where they update official photos of Air Force One flying near landmarks. State and local authorities were notified according to the White House.

Just some confusion but I can certainly see people being freaked out.

I'd wager that had the White House stated they were going to cancel all landmark photos because it might frighten people you'd be ranting that Obama's being intimidated by terrorists :hihi:

-spence

It was stupid not to notify the city in advance. When you have people running out of buildings crying, you did something wrong. I don't think people outside NYC realize how much 9/11 effected them - so much more than any other city.

The City was notified problem was no one told the mayor.:smokin:

Saw this of the people freaking out as it flew over. Sounds like they scared em pretty good. Today, it's no big deal, but if it would have been a Bush mistake, people would be talking about lawsuits for mental trauma caused by his stupidity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn0tMMYEkQU

Why didn't you mention it?

Because I don't generally start new topics about things that aren't policy related.

It was pretty stupid though. The video by Cool Beans demonstrates the panic is caused.

Looks like Obama was pissed about it too.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/04/president-ob-28.html

Now, please bear with me here as I'm not very smart. I understand that updated photos of Air Force One are paramount to our country getting out of this financial crisis and erradicating the swine flu, but did they have to do it in NYC? Again, I'm not too bright, but couldn't they just get a new photo of the airplane and photoshop the Statue of Liberty into it? I would think that the staff of the President of the United States would have decent enough technology available to make a nice photo of his plane without having to fly it over the city that has suffered the worst domestic terrorist attack ever at the hands of men who used planes as weapons.

Was a dumbass thing to sat though I won't do the pavlovian leap and blame it on the Obama admin unless it turns out some political appointed hack made the call...

I heard the planes dropped leaflets that said-

This has been a test of the national freak the %$%$%$%$ out network.. this is only a test...

Looks like this was a pretty standard event where they update official photos of Air Force One flying near landmarks. State and local authorities were notified according to the White House.

Just some confusion but I can certainly see people being freaked out.

I'd wager that had the White House stated they were going to cancel all landmark photos because it might frighten people you'd be ranting that Obama's being intimidated by terrorists :hihi:

-spence


Someone told them to fly by the World Trade Towers, they forgot they had been planed.

I find it hard to believe either Obama or someone very close to him didn't know about this, as there are only 2 of these planes. Whenever he travels, both planes are in the air, so someone had to inform him or ask him about it to ensure he would not be traveling that day. It may have seemed like no big deal, "Hey Boss, we are going to be using Air Force One for a photo op and fly around NYC. Don't worry about it, the authorities know about it and it will be escorted the whole way."

To claim total ignorance to it is hard to believe. You have only 2 planes and you cant go anywhere this day. I'm sure due to the security reasons, with it being unavailable for an emergency that would require him to use the plane, someone, if not Obama was aware.

Bottom line it was extremely stupid on the governments part! What if someone was hurt, trampled or killed during the panic that was caused? Very Irresponsible!

Is it true the city was notified and the higher-ups were not notified?

either way, not a wise decision..

Because I don't generally start new topics about things that aren't policy related.

It was pretty stupid though. The video by Cool Beans demonstrates the panic is caused.

Looks like Obama was pissed about it too.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/04/president-ob-28.html

What do you expect? He was a COMMUNITY ORGANIZER! And don't tell me he was pissed. His first emotion should have been embarassment, not anger. It's his plane, on his orders. He should have issued an immediate apology to the people of New York. Is this the leadership we are waiting for?

What do you expect? He was a COMMUNITY ORGANIZER! And don't tell me he was pissed. His first emotion should have been embarassment, not anger. It's his plane, on his orders. He should have issued an immediate apology to the people of New York. Is this the leadership we are waiting for?

Where exactly is your evidence that it was "on his orders"?

I, for one, would like to think our President has better things to do than know where Air Force One is at every moment of the day. He appoints people to keep track of things like of that nature, and the appointed person got a reaming over the incident.

If he were sitting in the plane 'enjoying the view', then I'd be right there with you. Or maybe he should have had Marine One land on Wall St. with a big banner that said "Mission Accomplished" after the Dow got back over 8000 points.

I like how you try to throw in the "COMMUNITY ORGANIZER" like it's some ultra-derogatory term, kind of like how new-cons throw around "those libs". Especially since that part of your comment has absolutely nothing to do with anything, and the rest of your comment is just incorrect.

Where exactly is your evidence that it was "on his orders"?

I, for one, would like to think our President has better things to do than know where Air Force One is at every moment of the day. He appoints people to keep track of things like of that nature, and the appointed person got a reaming over the incident.

If he were sitting in the plane "enjoying the view", then I'd be right there with you.


Air Force One is his "LifeBoat" and "Command and Control Center" for a national emergency. He or someone working directly for him is informed every time it moves.

I would be confident that the Secret Service knows O's schedule better than he does. This request might, just maybe, have gotten to his chief of staff's office. Seriously doubt O screwed that up.

NEW YORK (CNN) -- After a YouTube video showed panicked New Yorkers scrambling as a Boeing 747 flew frighteningly close to the lower Manhattan skyline, a former Homeland Security adviser questioned whether the man who approved the flyby should remain in his White House office.
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Fran Townsend, who advised President George W. Bush for more than three years, called the move "crass insensitivity" in the wake of 9/11.
"I'd call this felony stupidity. This is probably not the right job for Mr. Caldera to be in if he didn't understand the likely reaction of New Yorkers, of the mayor," Townsend said Tuesday on CNN's "American Morning."
Louis Caldera, director of the White House Military Office, quickly apologized for Monday's incident after the planes prompted workers and residents to evacuate buildings in New York and New Jersey. http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/tabs/video.gif Watch Townsend slam Caldera » (http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/28/low.flying.plane/index.html#cnnSTCVideo)
"Last week, I approved a mission over New York. I take responsibility for that decision," Caldera said. "While federal authorities took the proper steps to notify state and local authorities in New York and New Jersey, it's clear that the mission created confusion and disruption."
The Federal Aviation Administration said the aircraft, which functions as Air Force One when the president is aboard, was taking part in a classified, government-sanctioned photo shoot.
An angry Mayor Michael Bloomberg said it "defies the imagination" that an agency would schedule the photo shoot so near the site of the September 11, 2001, attacks (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/September_11_Attacks) on the World Trade Center.
President Obama also reportedly expressed outrage. Sen. Charles Schumer, D-New York, said the FAA's decision to not announce the flyby "borders on being either cruel or very, very stupid."
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iReport.com: Share your reaction to photo op (http://www.ireport.com/ir-topic-stories.jspa?topicId=250958)


Witnesses reported seeing the plane circle over the Upper New York Bay near the Statue of Liberty before flying up the Hudson River. http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/tabs/video.gif Watch the plane fly over Manhattan » (http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/28/low.flying.plane/index.html#cnnSTCVideo)
The YouTube video shows dozens of people standing in a parking lot, watching the plane approach. As it nears, they begin to run. Someone unleashes an expletive. "Run, run!" says one person. "Oh my God," cries another.
Two officials said the White House Military Office was trying to update its file photos of Air Force One. The officials said the president was angry when he learned Monday afternoon about the flight.
"The president was furious about it," one of the officials said.
On Tuesday, Obama told reporters, "It was a mistake. It was something we found out about along with all of you. And it will not happen again."
Bloomberg said he, too, was perturbed.http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/tabs/video.gif Watch the White House apologize » (http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/28/low.flying.plane/index.html#cnnSTCVideo)
"I'm annoyed -- furious is a better word -- that I wasn't told," he said, calling the FAA's decision to withhold details about the flight "ridiculous" and "poor judgment."
"Why the Defense Department wanted to do a photo op right around the site of the World Trade Center defies the imagination," he said. "Had we known, I would have asked them not to."
Linda Garcia-Rose, a social worker who counsels post-traumatic stress disorder patients in an office three blocks from where the World Trade Center stood, called the flight an "absolute travesty." http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/tabs/video.gif Watch the White House respond to questions about the scare » (http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/28/low.flying.plane/index.html#cnnSTCVideo)
"There was no warning. It looked like the plane was about to come into us," she said. "I'm a therapist, and I actually had a panic attack."
Garcia-Rose, who works with nearly two dozen patients ages 15 to 47, said she was inundated with phone calls from patients.
"They're traumatized. They're asking 'How could this happen?' They're nervous. Their anxiety levels are high," she said. iReport.com: Tell us what you think (http://www.ireport.com/ir-topic-stories.jspa?topicId=250958)
Garcia-Rose said she is considering filing a class-action suit against the government for sanctioning the plane's unannounced flight.
"I believe the government has done something really wrong," she said.




Capt. Anna Carpenter of Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland said local law enforcement agencies and the FAA had been given notice of the exercise.
New York Police Deputy Commissioner Paul J. Browne said the department had been alerted about the flight "with directives to local authorities not to disclose information about it."

Where exactly is your evidence that it was "on his orders"?

I, for one, would like to think our President has better things to do than know where Air Force One is at every moment of the day. He appoints people to keep track of things like of that nature, and the appointed person got a reaming over the incident.

If he were sitting in the plane 'enjoying the view', then I'd be right there with you. Or maybe he should have had Marine One land on Wall St. with a big banner that said "Mission Accomplished" after the Dow got back over 8000 points.

I like how you try to throw in the "COMMUNITY ORGANIZER" like it's some ultra-derogatory term, kind of like how new-cons throw around "those libs". Especially since that part of your comment has absolutely nothing to do with anything, and the rest of your comment is just incorrect.

You can do your own reading and research and draw your conclusions at to whether this one is on the President. I am fine with the fact he admitted it was a mistake. Also, it was an Air Force One replica plane with an F-16 doing a low altitude flyover of the biggest city in our country. It required FAA approval and it shut down the surrounding airspace while it happened.

* This has nothing to do with George Bush.

It was stupid not to notify the city in advance. When you have people running out of buildings crying, you did something wrong. I don't think people outside NYC realize how much 9/11 effected them - so much more than any other city.

You are so right PS. 9/11 affected everybody in the country, but unless you lived in the area there is know way of knowing how it really felt.

Like with the Oaklahoma bombing, i felt it deeply, especially with some children involved,
but know for sure i didn't really know how they felt being so far away.

Out of sight, out of mind, just part of human nature.

You can do your own reading and research and draw your conclusions at to whether this one is on the President. I am fine with the fact he admitted it was a mistake. Also, it was an Air Force One replica plane with an F-16 doing a low altitude flyover of the biggest city in our country. It required FAA approval and it shut down the surrounding airspace while it happened.

* This has nothing to do with George Bush.

It also has nothing to do with Community Organizers. Or Obama's present activities as one.

Well since you guys like to bring Bush into everything, if he had done it you would think it was felony stupid.
So let me understand this, Obama didn't know anything about it and neither did his Homland Security Sec.. Right, someone just took the plane for some campaign photo ops. and know one knows who or why.
The only thing more stupid, would be believing they didn't know.

I hear a government car just drove over the speed limit in Idaho. I wonder what Obama is going to do about it?

I hear a government car just drove over the speed limit in Idaho. I wonder what Obama is going to do about it?

That's a great analogy.:claps::claps:

I hear a government car just drove over the speed limit in Idaho. I wonder what Obama is going to do about it?

I want to see the video of everyone in Idaho running scared to death over this. This comment is silly..

Looks like this was a pretty standard event where they update official photos of Air Force One flying near landmarks. State and local authorities were notified according to the White House.

Just some confusion but I can certainly see people being freaked out.

I'd wager that had the White House stated they were going to cancel all landmark photos because it might frighten people you'd be ranting that Obama's being intimidated by terrorists :hihi:

-spence

Standard event:jump: Happens all the time. 9/11 and this time

The Prez says he wasn't told of the engagement, no one believes that? It's all his fault? Like how many people work in the White House?
Give it a rest, it was Cheney's idea anyway.

When you are the Man in charge and the people that you appoint to act on your behalf screw up, it's your fault.

The left blames Bush for every mistake made during his 8 years, from Abu Grahib, Gitmo, Iraq, Afghanistan to the Stock Exchange and the Housing crisis and even for 9/11 in some parts of the left. Obama is big enough to shoulder the blame for this. He left the idiot in charge of the plane.

It is a totally stupid thing. Again it just seems like all the federal agencies knew, nobody said, Stoopid do you really think this is a GOOD idea?
And then nobody told the state and locals crap.

How detached is our governments from reality, regardless of the party or sexual preference.

The left blames Bush for every mistake made during his 8 years, from Abu Grahib, Gitmo, Iraq, Afghanistan to the Stock Exchange and the Housing crisis and even for 9/11 in some parts of the left. Obama is big enough to shoulder the blame for this. He left the idiot in charge of the plane.
Bad analogy.

-spence

The left blames Bush for every mistake made during his 8 years, from Abu Grahib, Gitmo, Iraq, Afghanistan to the Stock Exchange and the Housing crisis and even for 9/11 in some parts of the left. Obama is big enough to shoulder the blame for this. He left the idiot in charge of the plane.

To his credit He did say, that even though He knew nothing about it, he would never, ever do it again. Sounds fine coming from a 4 year old, but not the President of the United States.

They seem to have alot more embaressing screwups in the first 100 days then Bush did.

To his credit He did say, that even though He knew nothing about it, he would never, ever do it again. Sounds fine coming from a 4 year old, but not the President of the United States.

They seem to have alot more embaressing screwups in the first 100 days then Bush did.

In your opinion and that we know about

Just seems to make sense to me, if you hire someone to act on your behalf and give them authority to make decisions for you, you are still responsible for any mistakes they make. You can delegate authority, but you can't delegate responsibility, thats why you should carefully pick those you want to make decisions for you.

some administrative positions at carryovers from previous administrations.
I'd like to see any executive in business take that position.

Just seems to make sense to me, if you hire someone to act on your behalf and give them authority to make decisions for you, you are still responsible for any mistakes they make. You can delegate authority, but you can't delegate responsibility, thats why you should carefully pick those you want to make decisions for you.

Responsibility isn't the same as culpability. Obama made an apology and said it will never happen again. Ultimately it was a gaff but not one that resulted in any real harm.

-spence

Statement from Louis Caldera, Director White House Military Office, on Air Force One flight over New York


"Last week, I approved a mission over New York. I take responsibility for that decision. While federal authorities took the proper steps to notify state and local authorities in New York and New Jersey, it’s clear that the mission created confusion and disruption. I apologize and take responsibility for any distress that flight caused."


http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Statement-from-Louis-Caldera-Director-White-House-Military-Office-on-Air-Force-One-flight-over-New-York/

Statement from Louis Caldera, Director White House Military Office, on Air Force One flight over New York


"Last week, I approved a mission over New York. I take responsibility for that decision. While federal authorities took the proper steps to notify state and local authorities in New York and New Jersey, it’s clear that the mission created confusion and disruption. I apologize and take responsibility for any distress that flight caused."


http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Statement-from-Louis-Caldera-Director-White-House-Military-Office-on-Air-Force-One-flight-over-New-York/

Conversation 30 minutes prior to this,

Caldera, "Don't worry Mr. President, I'll fall on the sword. You wait 30 minutes and say how upset you are and say you're sorry and will never ever ever let me near that plane again."

Obama, "OK that sounds good, get someone to que that up on the teleprompter for me."

The guy had good credentials. Amazing

Statement from Louis Caldera, Director White House Military Office, on Air Force One flight over New York


"Last week, I approved a mission over New York. I take responsibility for that decision.I am a stupid a$$. While federal authorities took the proper steps to notify state and local authorities in New York and New Jersey, Nobody had the brains to point out what a stupid a$$ I am. It’s clear that the mission created confusion and disruption. I apologize and take responsibility for any distress that flight caused. Who could have guessed?And if you buy this, then you are a bigger stupid a$$ then I.


$320.000.00 Photo op...... Part of the Stimulas Bill maybe?

Well since you guys like to bring Bush into everything, if he had done it you would think it was felony stupid.
So let me understand this, Obama didn't know anything about it and neither did his Homland Security Sec.. Right, someone just took the plane for some campaign photo ops. and know one knows who or why.
The only thing more stupid, would be believing they didn't know.

buckman, you'll like this...

For starters, it wasn't a campaign photo op. It was "standard procedure" as the government has done for quite sometime. I truly don't believe Obama knew a thing about it. As even you have said, the President should only be focused on important issues.

However, it pisses me off. Why in the hell are my tax dollars being put to work to "update photos of Air Force One flying over landmarks"? We have a g-damn economic crisis going on, but it's ok to dump a few hundred thousand dollars so Air Force One can buzz the Empire State Building??

It's bad enough 200 staff, 6 military cargo aircraft, Marine One, a portable Presidential sh!tter and who knows what else travels everywhere the President goes. Now we're wasting extra money for a photo op?

It just shows what a complete fraud Obama and his minions are.
"Change" my A$$.
That money could have saved a few teacher positions, but what the hell.

It was stupid in retrospect but I don't share the whole group should resign sentiment

I want to see the video of everyone in Idaho running scared to death over this. This comment is silly..

and your continuing to try to blame the Pres. for the flight is stupid as if he ordered and/or is involved in every detail of what goes on w/the administration. We just had a Pres. where people were told to keep the briefings short and that people should keep papers they were going to give him to under one page b/c he didn't need to know every detail.

Just seems to make sense to me, if you hire someone to act on your behalf and give them authority to make decisions for you, you are still responsible for any mistakes they make. You can delegate authority, but you can't delegate responsibility, thats why you should carefully pick those you want to make decisions for you.

There you have it - Pres. Bush is responsible for torture.

* This is not about Bush

It was stupid in retrospect but I don't share the whole group should resign sentiment

Retrospect!!!! Could you name one person would would have heard about this brilliant $369,000 top secret mission and not said " Are you freaking nuts"? Not counting anyone in the Obama administration.

How many more times do we have to hear " mistakes were made" in the next 100 days.

There you have it - Pres. Bush is responsible for torture.

What torture?

That money could have saved a few teacher positions, but what the hell.

What are you talking about? The schools will be fine. No teachers are getting fired. :p

What torture?

The same waterboarding torture that we prosectuted after WWII in the war crime trials.

The same waterboarding torture that we prosectuted after WWII in the war crime trials.

You're not quoting Ted Kennedy are you? But he would be the expert on drowning, I mean simulated drowning (waterboarding) :rotf3:

Waterboarding cannot kill you, water on canvas may make you believe you are drowning but you're not going to die. It will definitely scare the crap out of you, but you are not in danger of dieing.

The WWII reference you made, yes the Japanese did simulate drowning by actually pouring water in your mouth and nose or dunking prisoners heads in barrels of water. This could kill you, and did kill some of the prisoners.

I just think it's funny that you would reference something Kennedy said on the house floor. Comparing waterboarding to the WWII instances is like comparing a kid shooting spitwads to a gang banger doing a drive by.

Waterboarding cannot kill you, water on canvas may make you believe you are drowning but you're not going to die. It will definitely scare the crap out of you, but you are not in danger of dieing.

Breaking someone's fingers one at a time can't kill you nor can having your toe nails pulled off one at a time. I guess those actions aren't torture either?

I think you might be confused on what torture actual is. There doesn't have to be a risk of death for actions to be torture.

Waterboarding has been internationally recognized as torture for quite some time now, including international documents the US has agreed with and signed.

Tickling is torture too. I hope we don't find out anyone was tied down and tickled with a feather.

God, just trying to communicate with Liberals is Torture, but I'm not charging any of you leftists with War Crimes.....

:conf::nailem:

It's because you conflate the issues. With the torture subject, the issue isn't whether there was a risk to life or not, the issue is a matter of ordering the torturing of subjects.

You're welcome to continue to act ridiculous and say things like "just trying to communicate with libs is torture" just because I used your own logic to prove you wrong. It merely helps me with invalidating your argument.

What's really stupid is that this screwup by Obama's people has now become a discussion about torture. This was a money wasting, idiotic thing to do. It has nothing to do with torture by past Administrations, the Japanese during WWII, or my son putting worms in buckets and either filling it with water and letting them drown or leaving it uncovered in the sun and letting them slowly die.

What's really stupid is that this screwup by Obama's people has now become a discussion about torture. This was a money wasting, idiotic thing to do. It has nothing to do with torture by past Administrations, the Japanese during WWII, or my son putting worms in buckets and either filling it with water and letting them drown or leaving it uncovered in the sun and letting them slowly die.

Agreed.

Right, let's get back to the fact that they spent 360k panicking New York in what could only be described as idiotic and highly insensitive propaganda.
Something any high school kid could have accomplished with 15 minutes on the computor and Photoshop.
Could Mr. Transparency please tells us WTF it was for?
And let's not frorget the fact that a low flying plane sucked up a few birds and crashed into the Hudson River a few short weeks ago.

Anybody know what Obama planted in the White House Garden?

Anybody know what Obama planted in the White House Garden?

While the Clintons grew some vegetables in pots on the White House roof, the Obamas’ garden will far transcend that, with 55 varieties of vegetables — from a wish list of the kitchen staff — grown from organic seedlings started at the Executive Mansion’s greenhouses.

The Obamas will feed their love of Mexican food with cilantro, tomatillos and hot peppers. Lettuces will include red romaine, green oak leaf, butterhead, red leaf and galactic. There will be spinach, chard, collards and black kale. For desserts, there will be a patch of berries. And herbs will include some more unusual varieties, like anise hyssop and Thai basil. A White House carpenter, Charlie Brandts, who is a beekeeper, will tend two hives for honey.

The total cost of seeds, mulch and so forth is $200, said Sam Kass, an assistant White House chef, who prepared healthful meals for the Obama family in Chicago and is an advocate of local food. Mr. Kass will oversee the garden.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/20/dining/20garden.html?em

Anybody know what Obama planted in the White House Garden?

Stop hyjacking my thread!:deadhorse:

What's really stupid is that this screwup by Obama's people has now become a discussion about torture. This was a money wasting, idiotic thing to do. It has nothing to do with torture by past Administrations, the Japanese during WWII, or my son putting worms in buckets and either filling it with water and letting them drown or leaving it uncovered in the sun and letting them slowly die.

I agree w/you that its stupid (just as I said the flight was stupid). But so is trying to link the Pres. of the USA with the flight of his back up plane as if he controls everthing is stupid.

I agree w/you that its stupid (just as I said the flight was stupid). But so is trying to link the Pres. of the USA with the flight of his back up plane as if he controls everthing is stupid.

What it does Paul is indicate the kind of insensitive, stupid and hypocritical people he has chosen work for him. And the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Lets close our eyes and envision what you would be saying if it had been McCain. You know what? It NEVER would have happened. Care to debate that?
Let's see the pictures that they took and the purpose for which they were taken. Release them now.

Lets close our eyes and envision what you would be saying if it had been McCain. You know what? It NEVER would have happened. Care to debate that?
Yea, I think you're talking out of your ass.

I'd be willing to wager the exact same thing would have happened and McCain would have found out about it just like Obama appears to have...after the fact.

How much did Bush spend to stage that "Mission Accomplished" photo op? Hell, he had an entire US carrier group tied up probably all day.

insensitive, stupid and hypocritical people
Yea, and the insenstitive, stupid and hypocritical people Bush surrounded himself with have cost us a heck of a lot more than a few hundred grand and some scared voters.

It's almost like you're trying to distract everyone from the good economic news coming from the Fed and the Street.

It's like you're against the recovery of America.

-spence

Stop hyjacking my thread!:deadhorse:

I'm doing it because this is just a yet another stoopid attack on somebody who is actually trying to do something to get this country back to what is used to be maybe like in in 1977.

When Disco was KING!!!

I'm doing it because this is just a yet another stoopid attack on somebody who is actually trying to do something to get this country back to what is used to be maybe like in in 1977.
Don't you understand?

Obama wants to DESTROY America.

He is the 12th Imam.

-spence

Don't you understand?

Obama wants to DESTROY America.

He is the 12th Imam.

-spence


Funny Funny, who hijacked your computer

Funny Funny, who hijacked your computer

You mock what you don't understand. I have proof.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=115720731

-spence

It's almost like you're trying to distract everyone from the good economic news coming from the Fed and the Street.

It's like you're against the recovery of America.

-spence

Ever since the market started heading up, buckman hasn't had a daily metric to use to blame Obama for the economic crisis.

While the Clintons grew some vegetables in pots on the White House roof, the Obamas’ garden will far transcend that, with 55 varieties of vegetables — from a wish list of the kitchen staff — grown from organic seedlings started at the Executive Mansion’s greenhouses.

The Obamas will feed their love of Mexican food with cilantro, tomatillos and hot peppers. Lettuces will include red romaine, green oak leaf, butterhead, red leaf and galactic. There will be spinach, chard, collards and black kale. For desserts, there will be a patch of berries. And herbs will include some more unusual varieties, like anise hyssop and Thai basil. A White House carpenter, Charlie Brandts, who is a beekeeper, will tend two hives for honey.

The total cost of seeds, mulch and so forth is $200, said Sam Kass, an assistant White House chef, who prepared healthful meals for the Obama family in Chicago and is an advocate of local food. Mr. Kass will oversee the garden.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/20/dining/20garden.html?em

They forgot to tell how Michele is spending all her days out there tending it.

From what i heard today the only really good financial news came from the American people
spending. Prolly mostly their income tax rebate checks. :huh:

You mock what you don't understand. I have proof.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=115720731

-spence

Thats your proof? Steriods are an issue.

Ever since the market started heading up, buckman hasn't had a daily metric to use to blame Obama for the economic crisis.

Try this one on JD, should bring a smile to your face:rotf3:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090430/ap_on_bi_ge/us_earns_exxon_mobil

I'm doing it because this is just a yet another stoopid attack on somebody who is actually trying to do something to get this country back to what is used to be maybe like in in 1977.

When Disco was KING!!!

How about maybe like 1933? Or how about, how the eff do we pay for it in say..... 2012?

Try this one on JD, should bring a smile to your face:rotf3:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090430/ap_on_bi_ge/us_earns_exxon_mobil


I feel so bad.
My cousin drive a commercial dive boat in the gulf, one with saturation divers, he's so busy, working on existing infrastructure he's welcoming the slow down.
He's on with 1 other capt, 12 on 12 off for 28 days, then 14 days off
boat never goes into shore except for repair requiring yard services, everything else is lightered out.

Try this one on JD, should bring a smile to your face:rotf3:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090430/ap_on_bi_ge/us_earns_exxon_mobil

Good.

They rode record profits on oil prices they helped to drive up. They limited production at refineries to keep prices high, even as the per barrel cost came down.

That is the problem with multi-billion dollar company that has all their eggs in one basket. Unless they adjust their business model to deal with energy outside of oil, they will fail just like our domestic auto companies are.

I agree w/you that its stupid (just as I said the flight was stupid). But so is trying to link the Pres. of the USA with the flight of his back up plane as if he controls everthing is stupid.


Bush was blamed for everything that anyone did, so whats the difference. Intelligent, no, but if he didn't know what was going on with his backup plane, then his admin is out of control.

Yea, I think you're talking out of your ass.

I'd be willing to wager the exact same thing would have happened and McCain would have found out about it just like Obama appears to have...after the fact.

How much did Bush spend to stage that "Mission Accomplished" photo op? Hell, he had an entire US carrier group tied up probably all day.


Yea, and the insenstitive, stupid and hypocritical people Bush surrounded himself with have cost us a heck of a lot more than a few hundred grand and some scared voters.

It's almost like you're trying to distract everyone from the good economic news coming from the Fed and the Street.

It's like you're against the recovery of America.

-spence

Your wrong Spence, any Whitehouse Director in the McCain administration wouldn't have dared pull a stunt like that. I'm still shocked that she still has her job. She shows such poor judgement.

And the leading economic indicators are mixed at best. I'm all for recovery. Just because I don't drink from the same glass as you, doesn't mean we both don't want the same thing. Let's just say I'm a skeptic. FYI the doesn't make me a racist either.

Your wrong Spence, any Whitehouse Director in the McCain administration wouldn't have dared pull a stunt like that. I'm still shocked that she still has her job. She shows such poor judgement.
And you're basing that assertion on what exactly?

I hope not a Republican record of sound judgment :laugha:

-spence

And you're basing that assertion on what exactly?

I hope not a Republican record of sound judgment :laugha:

-spence

I'm basing it on his total respect for American values and what he put himself through for his country. I think his respect for all things related to 9/11 goes deeper then just words.

The only thing we can base the Obama administrations decision making on, are the decicions that were made.

You seem to have a grasp on the pulse of Obama. What went through their collective heads to come up with this TOP SECRET buzzing of the 9/11 site.

I'm basing it on his total respect for American values and what he put himself through for his country. I think his respect for all things related to 9/11 goes deeper then just words.
Which must explain why McCain was one of Bush's most vocal Republican critics of his handling of Iraq, our response to 9/11?

You seem to have a grasp on the pulse of Obama. What went through their collective heads to come up with this TOP SECRET buzzing of the 9/11 site.
Yes, that was their objective...to scare New Yorkers :hs:

Poor judgment? Yes, seems like it was, but from what I've read this was a somewhat standard process to update photos of Air Force One.

-spence

Poor judgment? Yes, seems like it was, but from what I've read this was a somewhat standard process to update photos of Air Force One.

-spence

Maybe poor judgment? Standard process? Show me when they last buzzed New York. When do we get to see the new photos? I'm betting never.