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ProfessorM
06-05-2009, 07:14 PM
where the hell is the sun and warm weather. Fishing the last 2 weeks has felt like November. WTF I've had enough

UserRemoved1
06-06-2009, 04:28 AM
Here you go Paul. You asked

this is serious %$%$%$%$ right now. Drives wx patterns etc directly.


An international panel of experts -- led by the National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and sponsored by NASA -- has released
a new prediction for the next solar cycle: Solar Cycle 24 will peak in
May 2013 with a below-average number of sunspots
<http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/29may_noaaprediction.htm?list13
00638>. "If our prediction is correct, Solar Cycle 24 will have a peak
sunspot number of 90, the lowest of any cycle since 1928 when Solar
Cycle 16 peaked at 78," said panel chairman Doug Biesecker of NOAA's
Space Weather Prediction Center. This report clarifies a NOAA report
from May 2009 that stated that Solar Cycle 24 would bring "90 sunspots
per day on average"
<http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/20090508_solarstorm.html>.


The latest forecast revises a prediction issued in 2007
<http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2008/01/07/100/>. At that time, a
sharply divided panel believed solar minimum would come in March 2008
followed by either a strong solar maximum in 2011, or a weak solar
maximum in 2012. "It turns out that none of our models were totally
correct," said Dean Pesnell of the Goddard Space Flight Center and
NASA's lead representative on the panel. "The Sun is behaving in an
unexpected and very interesting way."


In 2007, experts varied in their predictions on when the solar cycle
would peak and how strong it would be. In April of that year, NOAA, in
coordination with an international panel of solar experts, predicted
that the next 11-year cycle of solar storms "would start in March 2008,
plus or minus six months, and peak in late 2011 or mid-2012"
<http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/SolarCycle/>. In the cycle forecast issued in
April 2007, half of the panel predicted a "moderately strong cycle of
140 sunspots, plus or minus 20, expected to peak in October 2011. The
other half predicted a moderately weak cycle of 90 sunspots, plus or
minus 10, peaking in August 2012. An average solar cycle ranges from 75
to 155 sunspots. The late decline of Cycle 23 has helped shift the panel
away from its earlier leaning toward a strong Cycle 24. The group is
evenly split between a strong and a weak cycle."


At a meeting of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco in
December 2007, David Hathaway of NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center,
along with colleague Robert Wilson, said that Solar Cycle 24 "looks like
it's going to be one of the most intense cycles since record-keeping
began almost 400 years ago." They said they believe the next solar
maximum should peak around 2010 with a sunspot number of 160, plus or
minus 25. "This would make it one of the strongest solar cycles of the
past 50 years -- which is to say, one of the strongest in recorded
history." Four of the five biggest cycles on record have come in the
past 50 years. "Cycle 24 should fit right into that pattern," Hathaway
said.


Right now -- June 2009 -- the solar cycle is in a valley, the deepest of
the past century. In 2008 and 2009, the Sun showed some of the lowest
sunspot counts on record, as well as weak solar winds and a low solar
irradiance, going more than two years without a significant solar flare.
"In our professional careers, we've never seen anything quite like it,"
Pesnell said. "Solar minimum has lasted far beyond the date we predicted
in 2007."


In recent months, however, Pesnell said that the Sun has begun to show
some small signs of life: Small sunspots and "proto-sunspots" are
popping up with increasing frequency. Enormous currents of plasma on the
Sun's surface are gaining strength and slowly drifting toward its
equator. Radio astronomers have detected a tiny but significant uptick
in solar radio emissions. All these things are precursors of an
awakening Solar Cycle 24 and form the basis for the panel's new, almost
unanimous forecast.


Pesnell cautioned optimism, telling the ARRL that there is an "error bar
of +/- 20." This means Solar Cycle 24's sunspot number could be as high
as 110, or as low as 70. "Based upon my own personal research, I don't
think we'll see 90 [sunspots in Solar Cycle 24]," he said.


When asked if such a low number foretold the beginnings of a Maunder
Minimum <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_minimum>, Pesnell said
that a Maunder Minimum takes several cycles to appear: "Sunspots [in
solar cycles] leading up to the Maunder Minimum took several cycles to
disappear. I really can't predict what will happen in Solar Cycle 25.
What we're seeing now is something that looks like a sunspot, but it
looks as if someone has come along and 'stomped' on it, creating a
multitude of little things. We don't have a name for this and we've
never seen anything like it before."


There could be more surprises, panelists acknowledge -- and more
revisions to the forecast. "Go ahead and mark your calendar for May
2013," Pesnell said. "But use a pencil."

striperman36
06-06-2009, 08:38 AM
where the hell is the sun and warm weather. Fishing the last 2 weeks has felt like November. WTF I've had enough


Last week it was in the 40's and rainin all week in Maine. Amazing

Now if only my grass would stop acting like it was june.