shoots his dogs in the cellar so he could go on a cruise

WTF and he's a fireman .... unbelievable but true

what a CREEP...... because he couldn't afford to put them in a kennel....

:hs: i am floored by this..........

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/08/firefighter.kills.dogs/index.html

Nothing surprises me any more.

There's no way anybody in his station would trust him to watch their back...ever again.

Not sure if he's just an idiot or really crazy.

POS.

-spence

Just shooting them would have been bad enough, but it sounds like he hanged them from a pipe first :af:

THAT would put him in the crazy column....

pUNISHMENT SHOULD FIT THE CRIME!!!!!!!!

Little kids and dogs/puppies. These store is always tug at my heart strings. I hope he goes into general population.

"Santuomo was sentenced to 90 days in jail, to be served in 10-day increments over the next two years. He also has to pay $4,500 in restitution, perform 200 hours of community service, stay away from companion animals for five years and write a letter of apology to be published in the local newspaper and the International Association of Firefighters magazine, the humane society's Miller said."

That's it? 10 day increments in a county jail? and write a letter to be in the paper? That's just silly!

Oh yeah and he has to stay away from pets for 5 years, I guess after that's it's ok again?

Just shooting them would have been bad enough, but it sounds like he hanged them from a pipe first :af:

since they mentioned he had a cellar...............

if he was that cheap he could of left enough food and water

in the cellar for the time he spent on a cruise line

a big mess to return to yes....but the method he used was
like Jake said -> borders on the NUT CASE side of things,,,,,

total pos wackjob....:hang:

Looks like a d-bag steriod meathead - of which there are many. He got off easy because he is a wired-in firefighter.

"Santuomo was sentenced to 90 days in jail, to be served in 10-day increments over the next two years. He also has to pay $4,500 in restitution, perform 200 hours of community service, stay away from companion animals for five years and write a letter of apology to be published in the local newspaper and the International Association of Firefighters magazine, the humane society's Miller said."

That's it? 10 day increments in a county jail? and write a letter to be in the paper? That's just silly!

Oh yeah and he has to stay away from pets for 5 years, I guess after that's it's ok again?

In a lot of places, animal cruelty is a freaking misdemeanor. :doh: And as far as special conditions go (like staying away from pets), the judge is limited in ordering those by the maximum term of probation set out in the law. In other words, if the maximum term of probation in that jurisdiction is 5 years, that's the limit that a judge can put on the duration of any special conditions of the sentence.

You know the 90 days served 10 at a time over 2 years isn't such a bad idea... It'll remind the rest of the guys at the station what a dirt bag they work with for a long time. He won't be able to let his actions blow over for 2 whole years. I doubt that he's still a fireman at the end of this...

maybe he could be like a lion Tamer....:smash:

Just because he is a fireman does not mean that he once was a good guy. No matter what profession there are nuts just like him. He is one of the reasons why we have to keep an eye on our children/grandchildren and apparrently your pets.

Sick bastard.I hope he gets haunted by those dogs everynight in his dreams.He is clearly sick and unfit as a firefighter.

If he brought the dogs to the pound to be put to sleep, there would be no problem. Personally, I think a bullet, is less frightening to the animals, especially coming from someone they know.
Sounds gruesome, but in reality, they were animals, not people. and although I don't approve of cruelty, I believe a man has a right to destroy his own property if he chooses.
I'm sure my opinion will not be shared by all, but I believe that is a sign of how perverted mankind has become.

- Are you suggesting that mankind has become perverted because people frown upon shooting dogs that interfere with vacation time?

I'm sure my opinion will not be shared by all, but I believe that is a sign of how perverted mankind has become.

I think you hit the nail on the head with the first part of that sentence, and missed it by as wide a mark as you could on the last :doh:

Do me a favor---if you really think what this guy did is fine and that those of us who are horrified by it are perverted---don't ever show up at any SB leg that I'm going to be present for.:realmad:

i thought you were going to comment on whether pets are legally deemed "property" .

What I mean by perverted, is that the biblical laws of god, which were meant to protect human life, because it was created in the image and likeness of god, have in modern times been applied to animals, which we were meant to have dominion over.
I did not mean to imply that any of you are perverted because you love your animals. I happen to own a dog and a cat which I would never harm, mostly because my family loves them so much and I love and respect my family to much to hurt them.
I do however consider animals property and in no way accept that they have any inherent rights in and of themselves. Anymore than a striped bass has rights. Animals and fish were given to us to use, and for our benefit, wether as food or as a companion.
No man has a right to kill another mans animal, and the bible is clear on that subject. It is a crime against the owner, and restitution is required.
However, what I believe is a perversion of biblical law, is when animals are elevated to the status of people, (animal rights), and we accept that a crime can be committed against them.

A picture of the family dog with my son who died in 2007. I'd of killed that dog many times if not for the memory of my son who loved him.

How about the Laws of Common sense......or the laws of commonn decency.

The guy is an Ass........plain and simple.

i have absolutely no idea why i continue to go onto some of the site on s-b.
it totally amazes me that some of the opinons are the real thing and not tongue in cheek. i firmly believe that if i continue to read these statements, i should be commited. there must be a screw loose somewhere.

However, what I believe is a perversion of biblical law, is when animals are elevated to the status of people, (animal rights), and we accept that a crime can be committed against them.

Biblical law? Sorry, you live in the wrong country.

You forgot about something the bible also teaches about.

Greed.

Let me know when you sort out how it works into the equation.

I would not dismiss the laws of God, as they are the original basis for many of our laws, in this country. Without the word of god, how would we decide what is right and wrong. Unfortuanately, over the ages mankind has perverted those ideas to the point where today, evil is seen as good, and vise versa, just as the bible predicted would happen in the end times.
And even the so called authorities, who are supposed to uphold justice, have legalized and protected what god calls obomination, in the interest of political correctness. (a whole other topic, but I digress).
As far as greed is concerned, it seems to me that it is being used as an excuse, to punish a man for destroying his own property. I didn't read where a human was harmed in any way. I don't particularly approve of what he did, but I chose not to judge lest I be judged. Where as some of you seem to have a mob mentality, and would like to stone him.
As I said before if he brought the animals to the pound they would be put to sleep and everything would be fine. And I would think most of you guys have killed a few fish and or animals in your time. I know I have. The difference is that in our free thinking, modern, and perverted world we have mistakenly elevated some animals to the level of mankind. In fact above some of mankind. I read every day about killings around the world, that seem less important than these killings perhaps because the victims are not like us. Human but not american. And that i see as a perversion. I don't expect anyone to agree, I'm not looking for any man's approval, Just stating the facts as I see them.

P.S. I can't find the laws of common sense, and common decency written anywhere. Perhaps each of us as a different set, or we can make them up as we go along.
I seem to remember hearing about them years ago, but they were for people, not animals. As much as you may love you pets, they are still animals, no soul, no rights, and put here for our use and under our dominion, regardless of what PETA says.
You can love em and protect em, but I think you go to far when you punish a man for destroying his own.

If he killed the Dogs to Feed or Clothe his family then I can see him using them "In the Biblical Sense"

But To kill them because he was to irresponsible/cheap to board them...still makes him an a-hole. He had the money for a cruise.....so he wasn't broke.

WWJD.....I bet if he had a pet or two, he'd have the decency to ask an apostle to drop by and feed them if need be.......I doubt he would hang them and stone them because he couldn't be bothered.

What I mean by perverted, is that the biblical laws of god, which were meant to protect human life, because it was created in the image and likeness of god, have in modern times been applied to animals, which we were meant to have dominion over.
I did not mean to imply that any of you are perverted because you love your animals. I happen to own a dog and a cat which I would never harm, mostly because my family loves them so much and I love and respect my family to much to hurt them.
I do however consider animals property and in no way accept that they have any inherent rights in and of themselves. Anymore than a striped bass has rights. Animals and fish were given to us to use, and for our benefit, wether as food or as a companion.
No man has a right to kill another mans animal, and the bible is clear on that subject. It is a crime against the owner, and restitution is required.
However, what I believe is a perversion of biblical law, is when animals are elevated to the status of people, (animal rights), and we accept that a crime can be committed against them.

This is one of the stupidest things ever posted here. Biblical laws? WTF? He lives in Columbus, Ohio. There are laws there that says he can't kill his pets without being prosecuted for it. Is there a biblical law that says you can make a silencer for a gun out of a 2 liter soda bottle? I didn't think so. What a jerkoff. Saying the animal shelter would have killed the dogs is not entirely true, either. They actually try to place animals with families before putting them to sleep.

Also, your analogy about killing striped-bass is just plain stupid. I don't know anyone who keeps them as pets. A pet is not a wild animal.

i have absolutely no idea why i continue to go onto some of the site on s-b.
it totally amazes me that some of the opinons are the real thing and not tongue in cheek. i firmly believe that if i continue to read these statements, i should be commited. there must be a screw loose somewhere.

What amazes me, and mystifies me to a certain extent, is why I even bother responding to them :doh: :wall:

Maybe the answer is this---- :bsod: ---or just pulling the plug and going on walkabout for a spell. :humpty:

Just stating the facts as I see them.

I'm very very sorry to hear about your son,

BUT, I'm damn glad we see the world through different eyes...

I think everyone is overreacting to this guy's post. First I'd like to state that the circumstances of this particular crime remove it from my example, and what this guy did was both criminal and morally reprehensible. I also think the point wasn't stated in the best way.

Still, we tend to set up strange artificial divisions that exist only in our minds when it comes to things like dogs. People kill their dogs all the time. Many of you probably have. I have, I just paid someone else to do it. Walking a dog into the woods to be shot is no differnt than taking it to the vet to be killed. Paying someone to kill is the same as killing yourself and you can't really argue that one is any more painless than the other. Same thing with buying chicken versus wringing a chicken's neck. We're so far removed from our roots that we've set up a differentiation based on whether or not you have to wash your hands. We've even created little niceties around the process like using the term "put to sleep" instead of "executed".

If this guy was a farmer who had 2 cows, he could kill them for any reason whatsoever and no one would bat an eye. The fact that dogs are cute and affectionate towards people is what makes all the difference here. They are both animals, there really isn't much difference academically.

If this guy had done nothing more than omitted the whole hanging thing, I doubt there is much anyone could do. You are allowed to kill your animals, and shooting one in the head is about as painless as it gets.

I saw a cow killed once for beef on a small farm. Not pretty, and I can't imagine it was better than what this wacko did to his dogs.

I think everyone is overreacting to this guy's post. First I'd like to state that the circumstances of this particular crime remove it from my example, and what this guy did was both criminal and morally reprehensible. I also think the point wasn't stated in the best way.

Still, we tend to set up strange artificial divisions that exist only in our minds when it comes to things like dogs. People kill their dogs all the time. Many of you probably have. I have, I just paid someone else to do it. Walking a dog into the woods to be shot is no differnt than taking it to the vet to be killed. Paying someone to kill is the same as killing yourself and you can't really argue that one is any more painless than the other. Same thing with buying chicken versus wringing a chicken's neck. We're so far removed from our roots that we've set up a differentiation based on whether or not you have to wash your hands. We've even created little niceties around the process like using the term "put to sleep" instead of "executed".

If this guy was a farmer who had 2 cows, he could kill them for any reason whatsoever and no one would bat an eye. The fact that dogs are cute and affectionate towards people is what makes all the difference here. They are both animals, there really isn't much difference academically.

If this guy had done nothing more than omitted the whole hanging thing, I doubt there is much anyone could do. You are allowed to kill your animals, and shooting one in the head is about as painless as it gets.

I saw a cow killed once for beef on a small farm. Not pretty, and I can't imagine it was better than what this wacko did to his dogs.

You make some good points, but your comparisons aren't relevant to this case. First off, people have their dogs put to sleep because they are sick or too old to have a decent life. Second, chickens and cows are killed for food. These dogs were not killed for food. They were killed because the guy wanted to go on a cruise and couldn't afford to have the dogs boarded while he was gone. I bet he had plenty of money to spend while on vacation, though. And you think this was painless to the dogs? He fired 11 shots from a .22 to kill 2 dogs! Not exactly an execution stlyle killing. I tend to think that maybe the dogs felt some pain before passing on.

I would not dismiss the laws of God, as they are the original basis for many of our laws, in this country. Without the word of god, how would we decide what is right and wrong. Unfortuanately, over the ages mankind has perverted those ideas to the point where today, evil is seen as good, and vise versa, just as the bible predicted would happen in the end times.
And even the so called authorities, who are supposed to uphold justice, have legalized and protected what god calls obomination, in the interest of political correctness. (a whole other topic, but I digress).
As far as greed is concerned, it seems to me that it is being used as an excuse, to punish a man for destroying his own property. I didn't read where a human was harmed in any way. I don't particularly approve of what he did, but I chose not to judge lest I be judged. Where as some of you seem to have a mob mentality, and would like to stone him.
As I said before if he brought the animals to the pound they would be put to sleep and everything would be fine. And I would think most of you guys have killed a few fish and or animals in your time. I know I have. The difference is that in our free thinking, modern, and perverted world we have mistakenly elevated some animals to the level of mankind. In fact above some of mankind. I read every day about killings around the world, that seem less important than these killings perhaps because the victims are not like us. Human but not american. And that i see as a perversion. I don't expect anyone to agree, I'm not looking for any man's approval, Just stating the facts as I see them.

You seem to be ignoring my point, I can understand, I'm using your "good book" against you.

He exhibited greed. He killed one of God's creatures out of greed.
Explain that away.

Throw Acedia in there too.

I'll give you some time to discuss it over with your bible class.

wonder if he checked with michael vick before hand.

Not ignoring your point at all. You say he killed out of greed, I say thats irrelevent. Whatever his reasoning, and I'm sure it was more complicated than described in the article. He destroyed his own property. God gave man dominion over the animal world. He comands us not to kill each other. Animals have no such protection, and that was clearly understood until modern times. The ancient temples were like slaughterhouses, where animals and birds were sacrificed daily. We kill animals by the millions for food clothing etc.
Uncounted thousands of dogs and cats are put to death because nobody wants them. Zillions of fish are killed for food, recreation, or accidental bycatch. You seem to have no problem with that. And rightly so, as god created man in his own likeness and image and gave him dominion over the animal world.
There is in modern times, as we approach the end of time, a mindset that we know more than god and can change the rules. Because we live in a wealthy country and have so much free time we can spend time with and become friends with our animals. We even imagine that they can think like us and have rights. Thats perfectly alright if you want to treat you pets like people, and love them like your children. You are free to do that.
However when you tell a man he does not have the right to destroy his own animal, for any reason at all, it is a perversion. Just as perverted as trying to stop fisherman from fishing, because fishing hurts. Just as perverted as trying to stop people from eating meat because animals have rights. Just as perverted as trying to stop people from wearing fur or leather. I do believe it is wrong to torture or prolong the agony of an animal unneccesarily, and I personally would never do that myself. But as I read the article, it seemed to me that people were so horrified by the dead carcasses in the dumpster that they went to extreme means to build a case against this person, and frankly I believe the details have been exaggerated.
They actually performed necropsies on these animals as if investigating a murder, and that to me is perverted. Do any of you think this could have happened 200 years ago even in this country, or 2000 years ago in any country.

People kill their dogs all the time. Many of you probably have. I have, I just paid someone else to do it. Walking a dog into the woods to be shot is no differnt than taking it to the vet to be killed. Paying someone to kill is the same as killing yourself and you can't really argue that one is any more painless than the other.

I don't know too many people who bring young, or middle aged, healthy dogs to a vet to be euthanized because they're being inconvenienced by them. Most ethical vets will refuse to do it.

"Hey, Doc, can you put Fido and Spot down for me? I want to go on a cruise next week, and I can't find anyone to dog-sit for me, and even though I have the money for a cruise, I'm a little short of cash (or maybe just too goddamned cheap) to board them".

Try running that line past a vet and see whether he does it, or picks up the phone to dime you out to the SPCA.

And the vet doesn't string up an old or sick dog from a pipe before administering the lethal injection.

I don't know too many people who bring young, or middle aged, healthy dogs to a vet to be euthanized because they're being inconvenienced by them. Most ethical vets will refuse to do it.

"Hey, Doc, can you put Fido and Spot down for me? I want to go on a cruise next week, and I can't find anyone to dog-sit for me, and even though I have the money for a cruise, I'm a little short of cash (or maybe just too goddamned cheap) to board them".

Try running that line past a vet and see whether he does it, or picks up the phone to dime you out to the SPCA.

And the vet doesn't string up an old or sick dog from a pipe before administering the lethal injection.


People kill dogs of all ages for biting all the time. I suspect that many vets would kill your dog for you if you said it bit someone whether it actually did or not. I know someone who killed their springer spaniel because it bit someone.

I think I was pretty clear that the conditions of the specific crime in question were different than my example of simply killing a dog. I think it was in the second sentence of my post.

My point was that people react to someone killing a dog differently than that of less cute and affectionate animals, when it's really not much different. I know have the stats in front of me, but I suppose dozens of people were probably murdered in this country during the life of this thread. Plus I felt like people were really piling it on that guy when he really didn't deserve it.

If you take an animal as a pet it's a whole nother thing than raising an animal for food. To kill a pet for selfish convience is immoral. To mistreat an animal raised for food is immoral as well. The man's a friggin amoral %$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$ .

Many young healthy animals are put to sleep (killed), legally by various government organizations (dog pounds etc.) because they are unwanted, and it is not convenient, or economical to keep them.
Most of these animals are held, terrified in a small cage until it is time to exterminate them. Breeders of all types of creatures routinely cull (kill) specimens that they have no use for or are less than perfect.
Wether you talk about pedigreed dogs, farm animals, racehorses, or tropical fish, culling of unwanted individuals has always been the norm.
On the other hand, the killing of unwanted children (abortion), has never been accepted until modern times. In our enlightened, modern and perverted world abortion has become legal while the politically correct activists fight for the rights of animals, and same sex marriage.
How long do you think god will allow this world to continue? He must vomit every time he looks down on us. Once before he destroyed the world because mankind had perverted his laws, and he said he would do it again.
Not a popular topic, but its right there in the bible, for all to read, and has been for thousands of years.

You have a right to your opinion. I have a right to mine.

You have the right to say that mine is %$%$%$%$ed up.

I have the right to say that yours is %$%$%$%$ed up.

That's the difference between a republic and a theocracy.

Dog is man's best friend



PERIOD

I suspect that many vets would kill your dog for you if you said it bit someone whether it actually did or not.

Uhm. No.

How long do you think god will allow this world to continue? He must vomit every time he looks down on us.

For people like you using his name to justify psychos doing ridiculous things? Yes. He must.

Wether you talk about pedigreed dogs, farm animals, racehorses, or tropical fish, culling of unwanted individuals has always been the norm.

Yeaaaaaaah right.