http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090722/NEWS/907220319/-1/NEWS

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I gave up the beaches when the seals came, the fish left, and the fees went up, and have never looked back!!

Chapin's became un-affordable a long time ago for non residents and truthfully you can walk that beach just as easily as ride out on it, it ain't that long, less than a mile. On weekends it's packed with townies in their trucks.

That beach had one redeeming quality though, in a n/west blow, I mean a hard blow, that was the place to be fishing sand eels on the bottom. My biggest bass ever came off of that beach doing just that.

I totally agree with Mr. S.on this one. Easily walked and too expensive.
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that they can classify a Bird endangered.... or an Animal...
such as Polar bears... what ever....whales

But i totally disagree with their broad sweeping power
of using that classification to remotely disrupt the
accessibility of an AREA that's used seasonally
without understanding exactly HOW the impact of this rule
infringes
on the rights of the citizens who are also living there.

we should have more rights to it than the dammed bird does!

this Local study group idea makes me want to puke,
can only serve their own interests...
and could never render an impartial recommendation on
usage let alone beach erosion.....

it pisses me off to even think about it.... :mad:
makes my Blood pressure just sky rocket
that i fantasize about wanting to strafe the empty beach
with Gatling guns from an open cockpit airplane. :fury:

Don't mind me.....the moon's in LEO today
i was born under that sign ....
and the LION in me is Roaring.... :uhuh:

Because limiting the hours of access will help how?

My guess would be more of a limit on when you can be out there.
That beach has been pretty narrow at high tide for a while now.
Maybe no access at high tide.

Raven, you have gatling guns? Go Raven Go!:buds:
Ya know something? People will keep the predators away from the birds. Anyone ever think of that?

OSV access on the Cape was in danger long before plovers were even on the radar. The birds were a gift from heaven above for those interests. Gave them the power to do what they never could have convinced the towns--who make a lot of money off OSV passes--to do otherwise.

Nowadays, even the towns' attitude is changing, as more tree hugging wash-ashores move to the Cape year round, attend town meetings and even run for and get elected to Boards of Selectmen.

As far as the Feds go, they have long looked at fishermen in 4x4s as more of a nuisance than an asset. The NPS could give a crap about what they make from selling a few thousand oversand passes. They must have a plover shrine somewhere in the Dept. of the Interior.

The birds were a gift from heaven ............

They must have a plover shrine somewhere in the Dept. of the Interior.


Use extreme caution: Plover spam ahead :gh: http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c66/ravenob1/lilSPAMPIG.png

i hear it's Guarded though real heavy !





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I sat at town meeting as a young man and listened to the discussing of the feds taking over for the future of mankind to be used IN A MANER THAT IT ALLWAYS HAD BEEN USED. A ND THAT FOLKS WAS THE BIG CONCERN. ------ IMHO If there needs to be any closing then lets close it ALL, public bathing beaches included. And then we will see how long it,s closed. I,m not against wildlife , i just think that some of these birds could be raised in breeder farms and allow people to use the National Parks

Mike P speaks the gospel

OSV access on the Cape was in danger long before plovers were even on the radar. The birds were a gift from heaven above for those interests. Gave them the power to do what they never could have convinced the towns--who make a lot of money off OSV passes--to do otherwise.

Nowadays, even the towns' attitude is changing, as more tree hugging wash-ashores move to the Cape year round, attend town meetings and even run for and get elected to Boards of Selectmen.

As far as the Feds go, they have long looked at fishermen in 4x4s as more of a nuisance than an asset. The NPS could give a crap about what they make from selling a few thousand oversand passes. They must have a plover shrine somewhere in the Dept. of the Interior.


Wrong. The NPS is forced by law to do what it does. If you knew some of the rangers as we know them you would know they do not like the closures. Closures mean loss of revenue that funds thier jobs. Most of them will tell you that "the bird Bitches and the guy from the USF&W are the real enemy in this". They have complete power over closure or opening and the NPS cannot do sh!t about it. Recent examples of this show the power they have where they open and close the same section of beach in one day because of a tern.

So.... next time your out there on the CCNS and see a royal blue metallic dodge Dakota pickup going up and down the beach, beware something is gonna give.

todays map NPS:

http://www.nps.gov/caco/upload/ORVMap7_25_2009.JPG


Nauset link

http://www.town.orleans.ma.us/Pages/OrleansMA_News/014BCF15-000F8513.0/orv%20south%20notice%207-22-09.pdf


put a fork in that one, it is done...

I got 1.2 miles open on the resident side tho (the spit), door handle to door handle till after dark, then it's just a couple of mung gatherers after that...

If you really want one person to blame, it all goes back to Richard Nixon, if you follow the trail of red tape and paper work....

the birds, are just tools used to get folks off the beach tho, and i have had that said to my face in the past, by those that use them....

the national park cannot make money, (must be non profit), so sticker sales are a moot point to them, the majority of the rangers are good people, and would rather see it open.

mike p nails it

I just got back from a family reunion we held on the east shore of Lake Michigan. This shoreline is very much like the bay side of the Cape - all sand dunes and very shallow. If you didn't know it you'd swear you were on the Cape - just no tides. Anyway, took a dune buggy ride on this stretch which is "protected". The tour driver says they have to be careful for the plovers - they get to the lake shore and the plovers are running all over the place. I told the guide that back east they would shut his business down with that many plovers on the beach - she just looked at me funny and said the feds have no problem with their tour company. Very strange.
Link to to their website:
http://www.macwoodsdunerides.com/

DZ

that is because they do not have Scott Melvin, or MA Audubon to deal with....

:uhuh:


Wow... them pics reminded me of the old days (70's) up at RP...

Wrong. The NPS is forced by law to do what it does. If you knew some of the rangers as we know them you would know they do not like the closures. Closures mean loss of revenue that funds thier jobs. Most of them will tell you that "the bird Bitches and the guy from the USF&W are the real enemy in this". They have complete power over closure or opening and the NPS cannot do sh!t about it. Recent examples of this show the power they have where they open and close the same section of beach in one day because of a tern.

So.... next time your out there on the CCNS and see a royal blue metallic dodge Dakota pickup going up and down the beach, beware something is gonna give.


Who was talking about the rank and file Rangers? :confused:

As Karl said, NPS policy dates back to the early 70s.

I just got back from a family reunion we held on the east shore of Lake Michigan. This shoreline is very much like the bay side of the Cape - all sand dunes and very shallow. If you didn't know it you'd swear you were on the Cape - just no tides. Anyway, took a dune buggy ride on this stretch which is "protected". The tour driver says they have to be careful for the plovers - they get to the lake shore and the plovers are running all over the place. I told the guide that back east they would shut his business down with that many plovers on the beach - she just looked at me funny and said the feds have no problem with their tour company. Very strange.
Link to to their website:
http://www.macwoodsdunerides.com/

DZ

They still let the Dune tours do there thing during the beach closures. Just no fisherman or beach goers can drive the beaches

I just missed them opening the south side of race by one day, I love it over there, alot less people use that side

the rangers don't call them bitches - they use a much more vulgar term. And the rangers absolutely hate closing beach, they are mandated by law and orders from above (read: Superintendent Price - birds come 1st). There is some equality between the rangers and F & W, but Price always comes down on the side of the birds if the divisions can't work it out.

The Race map looks good right now, but there is a tern nest right at the north side access that is ready to hatch, so that will be closed down soon. The upside is that the pole road should be opening soon, as the nest that closed that is close to fledgling. The NW blow last week put a lot of sand back on the beach. South side was filthy with lettuce when opened, cleaned up within a couple of days. But there is a large stretch of beach where you are prohibited from stopping - it's the birds' beach.