As surfcasters we do not have electronics etc at our disposal to locate fish.

When a surfcaster walks 3-4 miles across terrain that looks like the face of the moon. Please do not feel the need to cruise on over 2-3 nautical miles and commence your drift directly in front of me.

You were so tight to me I could see your electronics, you were so tight to me that I could cast my eel over your boat and into the water.

Please dont do that to anyone again its rude and bad form.

I didnt even have a head lamp WITH me. With the moon out these morons saw me, saw a bent rod and headed straight for me. Calm heads prevailed and I threw rocks AROUND them and not AT THEM.

However if the behavior continues wrist rocket and Large marbles will be in the bag.

Vic, with my wrist rocket I like 3/8's hex nuts (they can be standard non-galvinized) or 1/4 oz. Egg sinkers. The cool thing is on a warning shot they whistle as they go by, sort of an audible warning.

M-80's......they fly pretty good in a wrist rocket

That will ruin a great day!

BigFish murderous 5 oz. Hopkins post coming.....

:pop:

I dont know about everyone else, but I've been noticing an Increase in stupidity over the past couple years from humanity in general, and a DECREASE in my tolerance for it... I'm glad you handled it in a calm manner, but I think I'm nearing Michael Douglas "falling Down" status.... *(no need for an intervention... I'm joking) But seriously... common sense is becoming less and less common at an alarming rate.

Please do not feel the need to cruise on over 2-3 nautical miles and commence your drift directly in front of me.

You were so tight to me I could see your electronics, you were so tight to me that I could cast my eel over your boat and into the water.

Please dont do that to anyone again its rude and bad form.

I didnt even have a head lamp WITH me. With the moon out these morons saw me, saw a bent rod and headed straight for me. Calm heads prevailed and I threw rocks AROUND them and not AT THEM.

However if the behavior continues wrist rocket and Large marbles will be in the bag.

I sincerely hope that this warning would not apply to anyone on this board.

BTW, I wish I had their eyesight. I sometimes don't see surfcasters in broad daylight among all the background clutter. OTOH, I never get close enough for a cast to even come half way to me - but that's too close for me as well.

I dont know about everyone else, but I've been noticing an Increase in stupidity over the past couple years from humanity in general, and a DECREASE in my tolerance for it... I'm glad you handled it in a calm manner, but I think I'm nearing Michael Douglas "falling Down" status.... *(no need for an intervention... I'm joking) But seriously... common sense is becoming less and less common at an alarming rate.

And common courtesy even less.
I love how some "fishermen" think that it's perfectly OK to cross your line, run over your line, barrel-a$$ ove to where you are fishing just because their high-priced electronics can't tell them the most inportant piece of information: that they're A-holes!

I was fishing Duxbury Bay a few years back (from shore) with a fellow fisherman, each taking turns casting over a particular rip that forms on the in and out going tides. In the midst of our rotation an a-hole comes barreling in from the open bay to set up his drift right on top of the rip. After a few well placed cast, the 'hole got a clue, but instead of moving on to another piece of water, he flagged down the harbormaster to complain that we were throwing rocks at his boat.
As fate would have it, the harbormaster knew the guy in the boat, as well as the guy I was with, and saw what had transpired.
His advice to the boater? Move!

i got spooled, along w/ 2 other guys, by a guy buzzing the beach (at about 25 knots) at hull gut one day a few years back. i watched where he was heading and confronted him at his slip. the cops ended up coming but i got my money for the braid he stole. the cops were ready to lock me up until i talked them into having a look at his prop.

Vic, with my wrist rocket I like 3/8's hex nuts (they can be standard non-galvinized) or 1/4 oz. Egg sinkers. The cool thing is on a warning shot they whistle as they go by, sort of an audible warning.

Hooray A&B!

I also got spooled by the harbormaster off the Powderpoint Bridge in Duxbury. Fortunately, he heard me and was kind enough to stop long enough to cut the line from his prop. I only lost the tackle, so it wasn't too bad overall.
In his defense, he was reponding to a call, so I knew it wasn't done on purpose.

I am a boater, but have seen my share of horror stories with fishermen, be it gunning up to a school of bait or a blitz I was on, only to have their stupid high speed approach put them down....Weekends are the worst. I am usually off the water by 10AM on weekends.
Fly guys in boats are the biggest PIA to me. Sunday I was anchored, set in tight to the rocks with boulders either side of me about 4-5 feet below the surface... and this longwand a-hole in his Regulator asks me if I would mind moving so he can get a few casts in tight....
Last year I had a couple on from the mid west, who wanted to troll wire, as he had read up on different saltwater techniques. So I brought a wire set up out of mothballs and we were doing OK, with a handful of decent bass. A boat also trolling the area, but not catching kept cutting across behind us close. I called out on the radio to him asking for a little room, and his retort was that he didn't know I owned the Atlantic. Half hour later it happened.... his prop caught the wire. I remembered what Capesams told me he had done in this case, I put the reel in freespool and let him have it. The jerk took all 150 yards and wrapped it around his prop. Stopped him dead in the water. Whatever it will cost me to refill the reel someday will be worth it. I heard him call SeaTow, and later found out it cost him $650.00

Hard not to weigh in on this one. I am subject to boats coming too close almost every morning once an hour after 1st light. The regulars who pull wire across the Race know where the wall is and where the shore guys can throw to, but the offenders are almost always day trippers and charter captain running across the bay. As sound travels very well across water, I let them know that they are too close, and if they ignore me I shout out to keep an eye on my (tin or popper), then I launch it over them. They tend to listen very well after that and stay off the beach, but it gets tiresome doing it week after week. I just don't get the boat mentality that they have to crowd the beach, and they expect the beach guys to wait for them to pass. Ignorance/stupidity or selfishness - who knows? But it happens far too often.

As TT says, we oftentimes have made a lot of effort to get to our spot, and we don't have the mobility to quickly move a mile or two. On the other hand, you are in a boat and have vast expanses of water to comb - go somewhere else.

approx. 200 square miles of bay and this j.o parks in front of me. :wall:

BigFish murderous 5 oz. Hopkins post coming.....

:pop:

4 oz. but 5 sounds good!:uhuh:

TT,
I know what your talking about but some food for thought........this coutesy has to go both ways. i.e. if there was a boater all alone drifting or wire lining a rip that is in throwing distance from shore hooking up pass after pass what do you do when your the second one there? How many surfcasters would keep walking? Or would they try to get a few casts in, in between passes? Hard call isn't it. That boater may have a bigger wrist rocket and bigger nuts!!!

One of my local spots along a breakwater I have been unintentionally guilty of this as a boater. Even in the daylite it was so hard to see a guy in the rocks till after your by him. He was bait fishing and not plugging but on my next pass I stayed a bit more outside.

I am a boater and am always sure to stay out of casting range of shore fisherman. Throwing rocks ect is just stupid. No need to escalate a problem. I know that if someone throw/launches anything at my boat there would be a BIG problem! Just point out the fact they are in your way and if they dont move then I do agree it is time to do something. Did anyone have any luck last night?

Beamie....how are you?! I do not think I have ever encroached on a boat trolling wire line from shore???? Or had the opportunity??

TT,
I know what your talking about but some food for thought........this coutesy has to go both ways. i.e. if there was a boater all alone drifting or wire lining a rip that is in throwing distance from shore hooking up pass after pass what do you do when your the second one there? How many surfcasters would keep walking? Or would they try to get a few casts in, in between passes? Hard call isn't it. That boater may have a bigger wrist rocket and bigger nuts!!!

1. I was there first I glassed the area before I started my bowling ball walk. Had there been anyone there boater, surfcaster etc. I would have moved on.

2. He flew over once he saw a fish being landed. And was so close I could see his electronics, turned their(2 of them) backs to shore and basically cut me off from the hole I was fishing. I called them d.bags and assorted other stuff before I threw rocks around them, and not at them. Mind you they were only about 20yds from the tips of my boots.

Threw so many damn rocks my shoulder is sore :rotf2: He finally realized he wasnt going to catch anything with my rock throwing :jump1: , and I realized I wasnt going to catch anything with him power drifting through the hole.

The intent here was'nt to start a pissing contest and I doubt this d.bag is a member here I just needed to get it off my chest. paddling out to his mooring field with a sawzall crossed my mind but that just aint right.. I dont want to get sent back to anger management class :angel:

Vic I can see you swimming out to his mooring with a cordless Sawzall clinched in your teeth!!!:uhuh:

I think a hand drill and a hole saw would work fine and lessen your chances of anger management.I know a bunch of guys that will do anything for 50-100 $$$.I'd be pissed to.I was mad when a guy throwing bait last night tossed close to my bait stick and we were the only ones in the barren wasteland.

Hull gut can be a killer everyone buzzes close to the shore there, never been spooled but have seen others

Ok guys, I think we need to get the Obamanator in here and have a brewhaha. Will the offending boater and the rockstar please come to the South Lawn and have apint of their favorite homebrew with the Pres?

I am a boater, but have seen my share of horror stories with fishermen, be it gunning up to a school of bait or a blitz I was on, only to have their stupid high speed approach put them down....Weekends are the worst. I am usually off the water by 10AM on weekends.
Fly guys in boats are the biggest PIA to me. Sunday I was anchored, set in tight to the rocks with boulders either side of me about 4-5 feet below the surface... and this longwand a-hole in his Regulator asks me if I would mind moving so he can get a few casts in tight....
Last year I had a couple on from the mid west, who wanted to troll wire, as he had read up on different saltwater techniques. So I brought a wire set up out of mothballs and we were doing OK, with a handful of decent bass. A boat also trolling the area, but not catching kept cutting across behind us close. I called out on the radio to him asking for a little room, and his retort was that he didn't know I owned the Atlantic. Half hour later it happened.... his prop caught the wire. I remembered what Capesams told me he had done in this case, I put the reel in freespool and let him have it. The jerk took all 150 yards and wrapped it around his prop. Stopped him dead in the water. Whatever it will cost me to refill the reel someday will be worth it. I heard him call SeaTow, and later found out it cost him $650.00


Thats Awsome..:biglaugh:

Vic I can see you swimming out to his mooring with a cordless Sawzall clinched in your teeth!!!:uhuh:

LOL.

If Van Staal and Dewalt start talking...I know where it started. :).

Fly guys in boats are the biggest PIA to me. Sunday I was anchored, set in tight to the rocks with boulders either side of me about 4-5 feet below the surface... and this longwand a-hole in his Regulator asks me if I would mind moving so he can get a few casts in tight....

I don't know - most fly guys I know wouldn't do that, including me. Maybe it was because he's a Regulator owner - you know how they can be. :hidin:

:cheers:

approx. 200 square miles of bay and this j.o parks in front of me. :wall:

Vic I understand what your saying, but to play devils advocate If it was at night maybe he did'nt see you, and he may have left the dock with every intention of fishing that honey hole cause he knows it from fishing it on the boat all the time. Does'nt make it right, just sayin.

Timber, do I need to put you on a throwing program to strengthen your shoulder?

If it continues, I'd be glad to throw some stones with ya.

Vic - Having fished sand and sea ... sea more regularly until about the past four years or so ... but I have seen my share of numnutz out on the water ... and some of them were acting intentional ... never ends ...

I will always defer to the guys on the rocks/shore whenever possible - meaning that there have been a few instances where I set up on a drift along a stretch of rocky coastline to come upon a couple of guys plugging ... mind you, I have a long cast and am always out of range of the shore, and if I find myself in that situation, I will take my paddle and work the boat out of the area to give the guys on shore the benefit, since, yes, I do have the ability to move elsewhere more easily.

But Ross, not all fly guys are A-Hls ... rather I find it's the guys who are clueless ...not all guys throwing flies are clueless. But I also have had my share of incidences of nimrods on the water ...

Montauk Point, Columbus Day Weekend, I got out there driving over from CT and still was able to fish outside the surfcasters in the dark. The massive schools of bay anchovies were flushing out and false albacore, striped bass and bluefish were marauding schools over and over. Since I got out there early enough, the only incident at low light I had was a skisher out swimming the rip, I didn't see him and fortunately was able to cut my engine while I drifted by him. The fishing was excellent and by 8 a.m., the place had more than 300 boats. I am fighting a decent school size bass about 14 pounds on the fly, when a charter captain cuts me off, runs over my fly line and gets it tangled in his prop ... of course the curses and pliers go flying ... his comment was he had clients to serve ... later on, a 40-foot boat cuts off the crew from the shore on a big pod of fish working the bait, but no one, surprisingly did anything about it. A good day of fishing tainted with miserable attitudes.

Fast forward to another spot around the Fisher's Island/North Fork Long Island area ... working a rip, a boat sees me casting and zooms in between me and the rocks, fortunately he hit the rocks and my jig was able to land in his boat with a number of choice words from me. I was so happy that jerk hit the rock, but I was going two days with barely any sleep and lots of coffee ... so I revved my motor quite a bit ... next spot, on the Eastern shore of Fisher's Island, late October, I pull into a cove protected from the wind ... a cold, icy morning where I had been fishing all night immediately following a full day at work. Sneak into the cove to relax, eat a snack, have some coffee and enjoy the sunshine before heading in ... wasn't even casting and a 24-foot center console Mako with two guys who looked as if they just stepped out of an Orvis catalog come charging over to me full throttle with their fly rods ready to go ... when the pulled up and realized I wasn't fishing, I asked them if they wanted a cup of coffee ...

... the problem I think is that half the guys on the water leave their brains in their cars when they get on a boat ... it will never cease to amaze me.


Even on the flats in South Florida you get a lot of googans and even charter captains - many of whom are googans too and shouldn't be charter captains ... who have little idea of what to do, so they spy on others with binoculars. Case in point ... one captain off Islamorada was poling a bonefish flat when another captain came onto the same flat and disrupted the flat and sent the fishing running. the first captain got ticked and threw his push pole like a lance at the other boat. the second boat, and offender, gets ticked and throws his push pole like a lance at the other captain ... this is with charters on board their respective boats ... if I were one of the captains, I would grab the other guy's push pole and beat it ...

... boy I started this post trying to play a level headed guy and realized that I need to get away from this topic ... sheesh ...

... TT ... your right, there's no excuse.

The intent here was'nt to start a pissing contest and I doubt this d.bag is a member here I just needed to get it off my chest.

Nor my intent either. In your case you have every right to be pissed.....

I've spooled a couple of surf guys in my day. Not intentionally, but it happens. HEY why are you fishing in a channel where boats frequent. It's not my fault.....but boy he must have been PO'd. I took both his lines.....Opps.....He had time to reel them in and I had no other place to pass in that area.....Oh well.....

I've spooled a couple of surf guys in my day. Not intentionally, but it happens. HEY why are you fishing in a channel where boats frequent. It's not my fault.....but boy he must have been PO'd. I took both his lines.....Opps.....He had time to reel them in and I had no other place to pass in that area.....Oh well.....

Yes..

Since I fish shore and surf, I've experienced both sides of the coin. For every boater that drives in on a surf guy, there's a surf guy that just has to cast in front of the boat guy entering or exiting a channel, harbor, etc... Courtesy is sooo easy to have, yet some have none. I still believe most people are on the courteous side, though.

When I exit C-Town breachway, I'll carry a fog whistle to signal guys on the end if they arent' looking or can't hear my motor over the surf. If someone is hooked up, I wait in the channel(unless the tide is roaring out) until the fish is on the rocks. If I'm coming in, I'll circle a couple hundred feet out in front to make sure nobody's drifting or fighting a fish in the outwash. I'll then give a hand wave to the guys on the rocks letting them know I'm coming in. If it's nighttime, I'll flash my headlamp white/red/white/red.. as I'm driving in. I feel as if that's the right thing to do. Any other suggestions from anyone? It IS nice to see most of the guys on the rocks giving a wave when I get through.

Despite all that, I've still had people cast right in front of my boat as I enter the breach. Had one guy lightly cut my daughter's neck with line when his plug caught the rocks across the breach and went up over my bow two summers ago. Thank god he was fishing mono, that cut would've been a lot deeper with braid.

you had the right idea about throwing rocks around in the water. I feel your pain buddy, it happens to me quite a bit, so much that I stop fishing when the boats come out in the morning, fish usually get put down anyways. I read somewhere else about a guy that went by in a boat and surfcaster caught him in the eye with a hopkins, the guy sued and won, but is still without an eye. that made me really think about the big picture.

Same crap 2 nights ago at my favorite LMB pond. it is everywhere.

Vic I can see you swimming out to his mooring with a cordless Sawzall clinched in your teeth!!!:uhuh:

I'd use his own tender. Then slice that in half right down the middle as well ;):uhuh:

Remember that old whaler ad where they sliced the whaler in half? :uhuh:

This is an age old battle.. that doesnt need to be... I"ve seen some ugly battles in my 40+ years of fishing..I fish from a boat.. I also fish from the surf.... I rarely fish during the day.. and nevr on weekends... when I fish, I ride the last curl of the wave.. that is where the fish are, I'm not trolling with the main motor, I'm under electric power.... if I come across a surfcaster, it is an easy enough matter to point my bow seaward, speed up the motor and slide by out in deep water.. when I've passed I'll turn shoreward... it's easy... I've had surfcasters show up AFTER I've aleady made several passes.. I dont mind sharing... hold your cast until I pass bye.. it wont take long.. if you have a fish on or a line in the water.. let me know.. I'll accomodate... there is plenty of room for everyone... If I arrive and there are sufcasters present.. I keep going.... ...Most nights.. I never see another sole when I fish the beach front..I'm glad i dont fish the cape.

There is a whole new breed of fisheman out there.. some have absolutly no respect for others....and I agree, it gets worse every year... back when the fishing was tough, the only ones fishing were the die hards.. and every one ( well almost everyone) got along.. since the resurgance of the Striped bass, people have come out of the wood work, when the fishing is easy, everyones an expert...maybe a down turn in the striper population would be a good thing...

maybe a down turn in the striper population would be a good thing...

If the striper population is flourishing and it means I have to deal with complete morons, so be it.

I'd rather the stocks be healthy.

approx. 200 square miles of bay and this j.o parks in front of me. :wall:

It was probably Clammer....he can't see sh!t...and he luvs u TT....:love:

It was probably Clammer....he can't see sh!t...and he luvs u TT....:love:

Hey, Dave's back!!

Come hoooooome. Come Hoooooome.
We missssssss you.:uhuh::uhuh::uhuh:

[QUOTE=2na;704095]Hard not to weigh in on this one. I am subject to boats coming too close almost every morning once an hour after 1st light. The regulars who pull wire across the Race know where the wall is and where the shore guys can...

2na and Flap: Yet another reason a couldn't bring myself to buy a P'town sticker this year. I can fish anywhere from 20-40 round trip miles closer along the sandbar beaches that keep the motors and the boaters away from my shallow inshore terrirory.

Now, if I could only figure out how to get around the mung problem and the seal problem...

This weekend, bright afternoon, main channel in a harbor, I pull into the gas dock, boats passing all around some knuklehead from shore casts all the way across the channel and over my boat with a 1oz kastmaster. I had 2 kids in the boat! I WAS AT THE FRIEKEN GAS DOCK!!!!! WTF! I then free his line and he snags a zodiac as it passes! Idiots are everywhere boat or shore!

a year ago I am soaking bait at the traps. this 40 foot disco boat drops anchor 50 yards in front of me. The guy drops below deck. So I paddle out in my kayak and bang on the side of his boat. " hey wtf are you doing", He pops up with a martini shaker and a bimbo. I explain what the lead will do to his pretty boat and he says" what do you want me to do ? " I tell him FN MOVE ! Where is the logic ?:wall:

a year ago I am soaking bait at the traps. this 40 foot disco boat drops anchor 50 yards in front of me. The guy drops below deck. So I paddle out in my kayak and bang on the side of his boat. " hey wtf are you doing", He pops up with a martini shaker and a bimbo. I explain what the lead will do to his pretty boat and he says" what do you want me to do ? " I tell him FN MOVE ! Where is the logic ?:wall:

I can't believe you actually paddled out there in your kayak to warn him. I would figure you'd just like the lead fly if he didn't hear you swearing at him from shore.

Just remember if they are in a navigable channel and just going from point A to point B through the channel, surfcasters fish at thier own peril including gear. I don't own a boat but have also seen discourteous shore fishermen give crap to boats just making headway through a narrow channel. Courtesy goes both ways, and violence either simulated or real should not even be in a shore fishermans gameplan. I really get pissed when I read about guys saying they will launch a hopkins or some lead at a #^&#^&#^&#^& in a boat, what you are doing is tantamount to intentional assault, just because some fish were scared away. What do you think would happen if you hit the guy or one of his passengers? I find that intentional action even more reprehensible than a googan boater fishing in front of some surfcasters. Yell all you want just don't resort to violence. Sorry for the rant, lack of common sense and basic manners is the norm it seems these days.

Just remember if they are in a navigable channel and just going from point A to point B through the channel, surfcasters fish at thier own peril including gear. I don't own a boat but have also seen discourteous shore fishermen give crap to boats just making headway through a narrow channel. Courtesy goes both ways, and violence either simulated or real should not even be in a shore fishermans gameplan. I really get pissed when I read about guys saying they will launch a hopkins or some lead at a #^&#^&#^&#^& in a boat, what you are doing is tantamount to intentional assault, just because some fish were scared away. What do you think would happen if you hit the guy or one of his passengers? I find that intentional action even more reprehensible than a googan boater fishing in front of some surfcasters. Yell all you want just don't resort to violence. Sorry for the rant, lack of common sense and basic manners is the norm it seems these days.


Good post.

If I'm shore fishing and a boat pulls up I'll either just leave or let them have at it for a while. They'll eventually move on. The best night I had this year so far featured boats anchored up or drifting just beyond the end of our casts for three hours.

:)


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