lol, plovers.

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The plovers seemed to have developed a mobile nesting site, here they are currently making 5 knots to weather.

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Any bird that purposely nests in Surge Channels is doomed to extinction...

Any bird that purposely nests on a beach that potentially will be COMPLETELY submerged is doomed to extinction...

Fixed it for you. :rotf2:

Waves coming a solid 50 yards up the beach to the dunes:

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I'm sure they have all fleged long before this.

Most of the beaches in MA have opeed bck up this week....Sandy Neck is open all the way to trail 6 for the first time in many years during the month of august...Race Pointis all open and even the RIMS property opeed this week...we are having a good bird year for a change...disgusting we now think like this but it is what it is

...we are having a good bird year for a change...disgusting we now think like this but it is what it is

THAT
is

just

plain


SAD

:doh:

I hate the "stinking Plovers". We were doing battle over this silly Bastages back in 90. Here we are almost 20 years later and they are still endagered?? Come on!! Stop the insanity. They had their chance. Now give us back the beaches!!!

they are never going to give us back our beaches - they want us OFF. They now close beach for tern nests too. The issue of 'threatened' or 'endangered' is now irrelevant - the beaches are for birds, period. My ranger pals have told me for years that that state of MA want the CCNS for a bird sactuary - meaning not only no trucks or fishermen, but no people. I'm sure the enviromental extremists everywhere feel the same about the beach in their (meaning your) back yards too.

Patrick, CCNS was not all open - it was closed from #8 to High Head. That is where the tern colony is.

I was at my beach and the DEM came in on Friday and removed all restrictions

in RI, the majority of the remaining plovers fledged in the last week or so. f&w sent out a request on friday to help out picking up ropes and signage before the storm surge came.

those stupid birds are just pawns in a large game of chess.I hope they all made it out before the storm and nested safely in some dunes.I've heard the fox's in the dunes are hungry.:biglaugh:

My ranger pals have told me for years that that state of MA want the CCNS for a bird sactuary - meaning not only no trucks or fishermen, but no people.

:fury: SCREW THAT:yak5::wall::bsod::cens::realmad::nailem:

My ranger pals have told me for years that that state of MA want the CCNS for a bird sactuary

They hitting the sauce while you talk to them?

Cape Cod NATIONAL Seashore.

likweed... the STATE
laws apply, even in the National Seashore...
and even take presidence over the Feds...
the bird folk have higher power, in the Pay State....

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They hitting the sauce while you talk to them?


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likweed... the STATE
laws apply, even in the National Seashore...
and even take presidence over the Feds...
the bird folk have higher power, in the Pay State....

Not when they start playing stupid games they don't.
They'd have to get fed approval to pull that crap.

And its a good source of income. Nevermind the fact that it might as well be Crack Cod these days.

Ted..National Park by law cannot make a profit..so good source of income, is a moot point for them...
Scott Melvin weilds the might bird patrol, with the strong backing of the MA Audubon... he is like the wizard of plover and terns..what he says...goes.
Never mind vejhicle access... they just plain want people off the beaches... period.

cape crowd..crack cod, cape crap... all apply...and any other play on words.. :uhuh:...

They didn't get fed approval to put terns on the 'protect at all costs' list, did they? Or did I miss that? That is what is holding the beach opening this year. One single tern had a nest at the bottom of the north access at the ranger station (three weeks ago, after most of the north side had opened). Once it hatched, shut it back down - too bad. And as I said to Patrick, the reason that 1/2 of the south beach is shut (2.5+miles) is because that is where the tern colony resides. And if you drive what is open, a substantial part of it has the beach roped off, you can only pass by - because the terns like that little stretch of sand. Can't be bothering the terns, you know. Welcome to MA. Plovers are nothing - there are 50x as many terns. And next will be some other bird that starts nesting on the beach because it is protected. Last year, just because one of the Fish & Wildlife bird freaks thought they saw a royal tern (endangered) they roped off a mile of beach just in case it wanted to come back. What a crock of shi'ite.

The beach may be federal, but they (the National Park Service) are under orders from Washington to honor the requests of the host states - and the state of MA wants the beach for birds, and wants 'birds (to) come first' - that is the exact statement. If you know anyone higher up in the MBBA, ask them. The rangers hate this crap as much as we do - it is the Fish & Wildlife side of the NPS that governs this, and it is full of environmental extremists.

Raven are those PLOVER WINGS :love:

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but of course.... :grins:

Ted..National Park by law cannot make a profit..so good source of income, is a moot point for them...

But its a 2 way street you see.

Close more down for the birds = less beachgoers.
Shut them down more = kiss the Cape's summer income goodbye.
Summer income gone = nobody to pay the wages of the booth kids and the park rangers.
People running the NP see this = they get pissed.

There aren't enough bird people to keep it all open.
They'll learn sooner or later.
Or they won't and nobody will go on the beach at all and everyone loses.

means :point: more predators running wild unchecked

eating the plovers which is exactly opposite
of what they are trying to accomplish

friggan morons

But its a 2 way street you see.

Close more down for the birds = less beachgoers.
Shut them down more = kiss the Cape's summer income goodbye.
Summer income gone = nobody to pay the wages of the booth kids and the park rangers.
People running the NP see this = they get pissed.

There aren't enough bird people to keep it all open.
They'll learn sooner or later.
Or they won't and nobody will go on the beach at all and everyone loses.

The Feds do NOT Care about local biz (and even less about a "summer employees at RP)
The State...ditto..
and the local boards of selectmen... same..

means :point: more predators running wild unchecked

eating the plovers which is exactly opposite
of what they are trying to accomplish

friggan morons

what they want to accomplish Raven , is to keep people off the beaches and leave it to nature.
Last I checked, humans ARE part of nature.
screw them

means :point: more predators running wild unchecked

eating the plovers which is exactly opposite
of what they are trying to accomplish

friggan morons

Know This...
it is NOT about the birds, never has been, never will be..
it is about getting US off the beaches...
they have taken away 30 miles or so of it...
Mother Nature has taken away several miles of it..
we are only holding onto a few weeks use of a handfull of miles..
(on the cape)...
when Mother Nature is done, and the bird nazi's get their way with whats left...it will be over...
I don't mind loosing to Mother Nature... that is inevitable...
but I will NEVER say...we had a good bird year, or see the glass as half full... the glass is damn near empty, and has a gaping hole in the bottom!

sorry slip..you got it , while i was typing away....you summed it up quicker..
:wave:

thanks for the INSIGHT :uhuh:

ya know those rubber chickens....

well instead of hanging a set of rubber balls
from the tow hitch

we should hang rubber plovers :uhuh:

The Feds do NOT Care about local biz (and even less about a "summer employees at RP)
The State...ditto..
and the local boards of selectmen... same..


which equals

NO REPRESENTATION

Slip and Karl both have it - they want it to revert to nature and they don't care about us, the residents, or jobs. Remember 10 years ago, they shut down the entire NW logging industry because of an 'endangered' northern spotted owl that turned out to not be so endangered. As I type, they have shut off water to 1/2 of the California farmland, the breadbasket of the US, because of a minnow. Both of these acts have put hundreds of thousands of people out of work and destroyed (or are in the process of destroying) communities. We should be at home working on ways to better the environment and community and not hurting fish or scaring birds and seals. That's mean.

Keeping a few thousands of people like us who want to drive a beach? Compared to ruining the livelihood of the people in Washington state and California? No pun intended, but we are small fry.

with what they can do now with genetic manipulation

especially with mice.....

they could create a genetically altered mouse that could triple
the offspring of spotted owls in no time....

conservation is being approached with the idea of total abstinence
which in my opinion is the completely wrong strategy.

these MF-ers that are so concerned about every friggan animal or fish ought to be worrying about child pornography or the
amount of mercury in the rain or countless other REAL concerns
instead of turning a blind eye to Human health.

this isn't about health care.........if it was, tobacco would be outlawed completely

maybe we all join the mass audubon, and change their minds a little.
keep your enemies closer than your friends.
they are not a majority opinion, just organized.
as we should be
2na for president !

Ancient history but funny

I remember in the Summer of 94 sitting in my truck at the Second Rip (which was as far as we could go because of the birds) and watching a Golden Eagle who had two chick, sit on a post with a sign saying that we couldn't drive there because of the "endangered plovers." She would take off every 1/2 hour or so and pick off a plover chick and head for her offspring. So we can't drive where the birds are but Momma Eagle probably ate 50 plovers a week.

Just stupidity if you ask me. Now we have the seals and the plovers. Where does it end? They are protecting everything but our rights.

They are protecting everything but our rights.

In reality, rights? Privilege.

Lets make sure to keep it straight. ;)

In reality, rights? Privilege.

Lets make sure to keep it straight. ;)

A question of symantics perhaps.
I still feel that I pay my taxes and this is one of the rights that I pay for. The right to free access to federal lands as long as I do no harm in accessing the space.

We certainly will not settle this here.

It's interesting to note that my late friend George Calzone told me stories about how he had a tent that he setup in the dunes near the Race in May and didn't take it down until December. In fact his biggest fish 63# was on December 3rd, 1960 or 1961. I asked him about leaving his tent there all Summer and he just said "it's my right to do that. I fought in WW II so I could be free to camp on this beach".

A question of symantics perhaps.
I still feel that I pay my taxes and this is one of the rights that I pay for. The right to free access to federal lands as long as I do no harm in accessing the space.

We certainly will not settle this here.

Hey they could instantly say eff em all and sell it all off for a very nice profit to private developers. Imagine the condos they could put in the lot at Coast Guard Beach with private members only access! Turn the lighthouse into an exclusive bed and breakfast at $500 a night!

Man. All the logging in White Forest National Park! Woo! Luxury Condos! Greeeeeeeed! Libertarianssssssssssss!

I believe JFK set aside the CCNS "in perpetuity" for the American public.

The Cape Cod National Seashore (CCNS), created on August 7, 1961 by President John F, Kennedy
.

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, with the dual goal of protecting precious, ecologically fragile land, while allowing the public to enjoy a unique resource.

I believe JFK set aside the CCNS "in perpetuity" for the American public.

The Cape Cod National Seashore (CCNS), created on August 7, 1961 by President John F, Kennedy
.

"The CCNS is run by the National Park ServiceNational Park Service
The National Park Service is the List of United States federal agencies that manages all List of areas in the United States National Park System, many U.S....
, with the dual goal of protecting precious, ecologically fragile land, while allowing the public to enjoy a unique resource.

I hope that stays true. Forever.

Paul, all of the locals in Provincetown (and remember, back in the day it was just the portuguese community) would set up a tent and claim an area of beach in May for the summer. One of the guys was showing me pics of him and his family on the beach in tents in the late 1940's - that is how it was done. I'm pretty sure that 63# George got was November 3 1981 - there is a pic of him with the fish on the wall at Nelson's, I think.

Lastly, 'while allowing the public to enjoy a unique resource' - what a statement for lawyers to turn and parse into something it doesn't mean.

OK P and 2na... now I gotta go dig thru my archives...
I got a Cape Codder article from the 50's somewhere in the "history heap"... where the town fathers in P-town and Truro.. (remember this was pre NPS)..address the "tent cities" in the dunes, and the deploreable unsanitary conditions etc., and other issues they had..
I also remember Bob Andrews reminisceing to me on this issue a few years ago....he was Pres. of the mbba during that blow-up, and somehow the club got involved...but it kinda led to the designation of what became the "self-contained" campers... ( mostly bread trucks and sedan delivery wagons converted, back then... a few steel sided jeeps too) back then... the tents kinda went away..but a few die hards like George flew under the radar...for the most part.

And yes Mike...P-town was a much different town then, than it is now.... as is the whole cape...

It was a more bohemian lifestyle years ago on the cape...free and easy...lot more wide open places too.

Paul, all of the locals in Provincetown (and remember, back in the day it was just the portuguese community) would set up a tent and claim an area of beach in May for the summer. One of the guys was showing me pics of him and his family on the beach in tents in the late 1940's - that is how it was done. I'm pretty sure that 63# George got was November 3 1981 - there is a pic of him with the fish on the wall at Nelson's, I think.

Lastly, 'while allowing the public to enjoy a unique resource' - what a statement for lawyers to turn and parse into something it doesn't mean.

You are probably right. George told me the story long ago and I probably have the dates wrong. I have not been in Nelson's since Emelo sold it. There were a bunch of us that hung out up stairs back in the day. I slept in the parking lot in my truck for a lot of years and Emelo was just the best guy.