OSLO—President Barack Obama won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize on Friday for "his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples," the Norwegian Nobel Committee said, citing his outreach to the Muslim world and attempts to curb nuclear proliferation.

OSLO—President Barack Obama won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize on Friday for "his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples," the Norwegian Nobel Committee said, citing his outreach to the Muslim world and attempts to curb nuclear proliferation.

It just keeps getting better. :rotf2:

Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize....


You've got to be sh*tting me!!!! Well, he hasn't really done anything yet, but we feel he has good intentions??????

In a surprise, Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_nobel_peace)

:wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall:

yup, continue to heap praise and glory on a guy that has never done a thing to earn it or deserve it and there's only one way for him to go...DOWN...talk is cheap but it pays off big when you are a lefty I guess...

now we know for sure that the committee is rigged.....


"The award appeared to be a slap at President George W. Bush from a committee that harshly criticized Obama's predecessor for his largely unilateral military action in the wake of the Sept. 11 terror attacks. The Nobel committee praised Obama's creation of "a new climate in international politics" and said he had returned multilateral diplomacy and institutions like the U.N. to the center of the world stage"

given as a result of the "POLITICS OF SPITE"...apparently

selling oil

The Peace Prize is given by the Norwegian's not the Sweds which awards all others..

he ain't done %$%$%$%$ to deserve it. To me this really demeans others who have EARNED it by things they have actually done.

Disappointing.

What the BLEEP has he done to earn this?

Nothing. Especially since the nominating was over at the beginning of February. TWO WEEKS in office?

From MSNBC:

The stunning choice made Obama the third sitting U.S. president to win the Nobel Peace Prize and shocked Nobel observers because Obama took office less than two weeks before the Feb. 1 nomination deadline. Obama's name had been mentioned in speculation before the award but many Nobel watchers believed it was too early to award the president.

Speculation had focused on Zimbabwe's Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai, a Colombian senator and a Chinese dissident, along with an Afghan woman's rights activist.

Before people call me a hater. Before Spence spins this into a "prescient recognition of our dear leader" or something, I want to see Obama do well because if he is doing well, odds are our Country is doing well. But this is ludicrous.

He Has Not EARNED this yet! Not to say some day he won't but he hasn't EARNED it.

Seems to be a common thread with being given something before EARNING it.

Stupid! Just plain stupid!:wall::wall::wall:

I think the committee thought he was such a huge step up from the worse Pres. we ever had and maybe that had something to do with it. I agree that the award is puzzling since he was only in office 2 weeks when the nomination closed although the award could obviously take into account actions b/f he was pres. (but i still don't know of anything he could have done b/f he was elected Pres.). It be interesting to hear who the other nominees were.

for once, I am speechless

Me too.. even I think this is a bit much....

I think the committee thought he was such a huge step up from the worse Pres. we ever had and maybe that had something to do with it.

Even if true, two wrongs don't make a right :tooth:

I agree that the award is puzzling since he was only in office 2 weeks when the nomination closed although the award could obviously take into account actions b/f he was pres. (but i still don't know of anything he could have done b/f he was elected Pres.).

As I was reminded, the Nobel folks did award the Peace Prize to Arafat in the past, so I suppose Hope is an upgrade :rotf2:

It be interesting to hear who the other nominees were.

Speculation was... :"Speculation had focused on Zimbabwe's Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangiraihttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2.gif (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33237202/ns/politics-white_house/#), a Colombian senator and a Chinese dissident, along with an Afghan woman's rights activist."

Maybe these folks never accomplished anything either.

Must have been a shortage of worthy candidates!

WHAT HAS HE DONE?

Most of you know me as pretty liberal - well, really liberal, but I am shocked at this - and do not understand it. He should decline....as Mickey Klaus wrote:

What Obama Should Do With His Nobel Peace Prize
Turn it down! Politely decline. Say he's honored but he hasn't had the time yet to accomplish what he wants to accomplish. Result: He gets at least the same amount of glory--and helps solve his narcissism problem and his Fred Armisen ('What's he done?') problem, demonstrating that he's uncomfortable with his reputation as a man overcelebrated for his potential long before he's started to realize it. ... Plus he doesn't have to waste time, during a fairly crucial period, working on yet another grand speech. ... And the downside is ... what? That the Nobel Committee feels dissed? ... P.S.: It's not as if Congress is going to think, well, he's won the Nobel Peace Prize so let's pass health care reform. But the possibility for a Nobel backlash seems non-farfetched. .

Why the big surprise?We are talking about Norwegian's here Europeans don't think like we do.:rotf2:

I think the committee thought he was such a huge step up from the worse Pres. we ever had and maybe that had something to do with it. I agree that the award is puzzling since he was only in office 2 weeks when the nomination closed although the award could obviously take into account actions b/f he was pres. (but i still don't know of anything he could have done b/f he was elected Pres.). It be interesting to hear who the other nominees were.

Remember comedy show, "Laugh- In." The above deserves the "Gold Fingkel Finger Award."

Correction
Worst President, peanut farmer, Jimmy Carter

B/F
For what he helped do for the poor at Grove Parc with the help of his associates Valerie Jarrett and Tony Rezko.

A/F
Health Care kicks in 2013 one year after Presidential election. Tax payer to pay 10% of Ajusted Gross Income towards health care Plus the add ons such as copay and you will partial pay for xrays, mri's and the likes. Also Pelosi's (vat) value added tax if passed.

When I first read saw the headline, I said to myself "Must be a typo. It's supposed to say 'Academy Award', not Nobel Peace Prize". Then, I looked at several other sites and saw that it really was the Nobel. The only explanation is that the Norwegians are either playing a joke or they're trying to manipulate the President by playing to his ego. WTF.

well actually, when you consider some of the other dopes that have won this thing, it might make perfect sense...

winners include:


2009 - Barack Obama


2008 - Martti Ahtisaari


2007 - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Al Gore


2006 - Muhammad Yunus, Grameen Bank


2005 - International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed ElBaradei


2004 - Wangari Maathai


2003 - Shirin Ebadi


2002 - Jimmy Carter


2001 - United Nations, Kofi Annan


2000 - Kim Dae-jung


1999 - Médecins Sans Frontières


1994

YASSER ARAFAT , Chairman of the Executive Committee of the PLO, President of the Palestinian National Authority
(and prolific terrorist)


1990
MIKHAIL SERGEYEVICH GORBACHEV , President of the USSR, helped to bring the Cold War to an end. (huh?)

1990
MIKHAIL SERGEYEVICH GORBACHEV , President of the USSR, helped to bring the Cold War to an end. (huh?)

There was that Glasnost and Perestroika thing that helped bring down the Cold War (a/k/a collapse of Soviet Union). You didn't think they could find it in themselves to give it to Ronnie RayGun, Didcha?

step right up!!

collapse your country....WIN A PRIZE!

I guess the collapse of America is near....


can anybody say..."second stimulus"


"I want to see Obama do well because if he is doing well, odds are our Country is doing well."

have to disagree with this John, I'm sure that Obama would define "doing well" as successfully implementing his radical agenda, if he's "doing well" by his standards we will be deeply indebted and we will labor under the thumb of a big oppressive government...that would not be "doing well"...

I would like to note that this is the first time in history there is agreement in the political forum, so once again Obama has brought us all together.

Since Spence has not yet replied, it would really make my day if JohnR replied with a "spencism" response.

a "spencism" response.

Hope he doesn't wear brown shoes with a gray suit when he accepts... of course according to the November issue of Metrosexual Iowan Monthly (Also known as the MIM bible), there is some evidence to support this being a hip new trend...

I guess the collapse of America is near....


Better get out before it happens then Scott.... :smash:

$800 shoes!

I would like to note that this is the first time in history there is agreement in the political forum, so once again Obama has brought us all together.

Since Spence has not yet replied, it would really make my day if JohnR replied with a "spencism" response.

So what you are really saying is that the Norwegians brought us all together cause Obama did not do a thing on this one.:rotf2::smash:

It's been a slow year for peace. Besides how can he bomb Iran now? He should have turned it down that would have been a smart move. I think he gets some big $$$ too.

I wonder if this will influence the Afghanistan strategy?

Since Spence has not yet replied, it would really make my day if JohnR replied with a "spencism" response.

No Spencisms today. My brain hurts :smash:

I think he gets some big $$$ too.


$1.4 Million....thats some serious cabbage

have to disagree with this John, I'm sure that Obama would define "doing well" as successfully implementing his radical agenda, if he's "doing well" by his standards we will be deeply indebted and we will labor under the thumb of a big oppressive government...that would not be "doing well"...

I guess I should have said by "MY" standards. Mea Culpa

Jimmy - still trying but I just

Can't

Channel

Spence

Right

Now


I got nothing

Can't

Channel

Spence

Right

Now


Here...Put this on.....He'll Find You.

http://www.totalmedia.com/images/leisure.jpg

I guess I should have said by "MY" standards. Mea Culpa

Jimmy - still trying but I just

Can't

Channel

Spence

Right

Now


I got nothing

You need the Spence Political Forum Talking Point of the Day Calendar. Each and every day there's a new word or phrase like "Bi-partisan Support", "Imposing Theocracy", Exit Strategy", Neocon", "Conservative Vapidity", Tea Baggers", and "GOP Rhetoric". Just type anything, then add in something from that days calendar page and you've got yourself a Spencism. :hee:

:yak5:

Just a sampling of the headlines links on Drudge tonite. :smash:

OBAMA: 'SURPRISED AND DEEPLY HUMBLED'... (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091009/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_nobel)
WINS NOBEL PEACE PRIZE...
MIXED REVIEWS; 'EMBARRASSING JOKE'... (http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE5981JK20091009?sp=true)
PAPER: This makes mockery of peace prize... (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6867711.ece)
White House Aide: 'It's Not April 1st, Is It?'... (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-wins-nobel-peace-prize/story?id=8788973)
Carter: 'Bold statement'... (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20091009/D9B7JEBO1.html)
Lech Walesa: 'Too early. He has no contribution so far'... (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125509603349176083.html)
Michael Moore: 'Congratulations President Obama -- Now Please Earn It!' (http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mikes-letter/congratulations-president-obama-nobel-peace-prize-now-please-earn-it)
Sen. Inhofe: Obama received Nobel Peace Prize for 'de-emphasizing defense'... (http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=13&articleid=20091009_13_0_OKLAHO556885&allcom=1)

Nobel peace prize,
An Oscar would have been more appropriate !!!

I just do't get this. I have to agree with everyone, the man has done nothing to deserve this and compared to the other candidates he is bit player

He should donate the $1.4M to charity instead of lining his pocket as Pres

Yes, maybe have a lottery for the unemployed.

Yes, maybe have a lottery for the unemployed.

Put my name in on that qualification!


Think I heard on the news that donating (vs pocketing) is the only choice?

He should donate the $1.4M to charity instead of lining his pocket as Pres

how is he "lining his pocket"?

how is he "lining his pocket"?

By making his pockets?

as the wife and i took a ride to see the foliage..................

we happened to see a small sign along the roadway that said:

"hows that change working out for you" :grins:

"Most now regard the Nobel Peace Prize as they do the prize one finds in a box of Cracker Jacks with a one million prize tacked on. a lottery ticket and no more. The earth is officially cooling and Al Gore won the prize for what - fantasy? No one I know has any respect for the prize, other than the money that comes with it."

Raven great sign :hee:

I am overseas quite a bit. They truely love Obama, and think better of the US.

I am proud for Obama!

sean

I am overseas quite a bit. They truely love Obama, and think better of the US.

I am proud for Obama!

sean

Why?

Why?

Because under W we were viewed as a country being run on a stack of lies by a bunch of crooks... That's why.
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I am overseas quite a bit. They truely love Obama, and think better of the US.

I am proud for Obama!

sean

that's a little like being proud of your kid for getting reward for being MVP of his little league team that he never actually played on....

you should be sad for those that were actually deserving...

Because under W we were viewed as a country being run on a stack of lies by a bunch of crooks... That's why.
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No, has more to do with the view that the US is in charge of the World. I'm not talking about the de facto leader, but rather that without our leadership the World will fail. Other Presidents have certainly thought it, but the people Bush surrounded himself with sure didn't have a problem saying it.

The Nobel prize is certainly a bit of a novelty all things considered, but I do give Obama props for how well he spoke about it when he made his remarks. It's not like he asked for it.

-spence

thank goodness, I opened my paper this morning and there was a guy named Spencer in the obituaries, Spence had been very quiet and ....well.......glad you're ok Spence

The Nobel prize is certainly a bit of a novelty all things considered, but I do give Obama props for how well he spoke about it when he made his remarks. It's not like he asked for it.

-spence

I agree. Obama really know how to say the right things. He's great at reading speeches.

By the way, I love the fact that you used the word "props" in your post. Props to you, Spence. You deserve it!

WELL SAID.

that's a little like being proud of your kid for getting reward for being MVP of his little league team that he never actually played on....

you should be sad for those that were actually deserving...

This just adds to my opinion that Europeans are out of their mind.

I do like Huckabee's response (paraphrased) "GOP, keep your criticisms quiet. Let the liberals explain what he did to desearve it"
Why does the left have to explain it? The idiot Norwegians are the ones that should explain it.

The only part of Spence's post I agree with - Obama didn't ask for it.
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Because under W we were viewed as a country being run on a stack of lies by a bunch of crooks... That's why.
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Oh, and now it's different how?

No, has more to do with the view that the US is in charge of the World. I'm not talking about the de facto leader, but rather that without our leadership the World will fail. Other Presidents have certainly thought it, but the people Bush surrounded himself with sure didn't have a problem saying it.

The Nobel prize is certainly a bit of a novelty all things considered, but I do give Obama props for how well he spoke about it when he made his remarks. It's not like he asked for it.

-spence

Come on Spence, Obama says this outright every chance he can.

Frankly I think this demeans the award. What has he actually done to earn it? what a complete joke this award has become.


"Originally Posted by spence
No, has more to do with the view that the US is in charge of the World. I'm not talking about the de facto leader, but rather that without our leadership the World will fail. Other Presidents have certainly thought it, but the people Bush surrounded himself with sure didn't have a problem saying it.

The Nobel prize is certainly a bit of a novelty all things considered, but I do give Obama props for how well he spoke about it when he made his remarks. It's not like he asked for it.

-spence"

The people who award this prize feel that the US has had too much money, control and freedom and want to see them brought more in-line as the rest of the world, perhaps to a more socialist position like many their own governments. In this regard, Obama generally supports their views and IMO this award was given to him as a cheer leading memento... showing that they support him...

You might enjoy this:

YouTube - SNL - Barack Obama - Nothing Accomplished - Host: Ryan Reynolds. Season: 35. Episode: 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx-q7rmef7o)

Even his acceptance speech sounded arrogant to me. Most presidents, would say, "The United States, will not stand idly by while terrorist nations strive for nuclear weapons." but instead Obama speaks as if he is the leader of the world (or a preacher) "The world will not accept the proliferation of nuclear weapons." In matters concerning the rest of the world, when he speaks, he thinks he is speaking for the world and not for the U.S. He has no authority to speak for the rest of the world, and a few countries in Europe do feel he is arrogant and his numbers are not so good over there. Yes African nations, some of the Arab nations and many in South America love him. So many of our enemies and neutral countries like him, while a few of our friends are beginning to dislike him. Add Japan to the list that seems to like him, at least the people do (my mother in law for one)......

THE NOBEL PRIZE RULES STATE THAT IT IS FOR ACCOMPLISHMENTS NOT GRAND IDEAS. EVEN THOUGH I THINK GORE WAS FULL OF SH*T, HE AT LEAST DID SOMETHING, THAT PEOPLE BELIEVE HELPED THE WORLD.

inho,
C.B.

That Saturday Night Live spot tells it all!!!
Wasn't sure if they would ever go there.....

Props should be given to SNL!!!!

it would be much funnier if he actually did a good Obama impersonation, that may be one of the worst I've seen on SNL...they've been hilarious with these skits in the past because they pull off the appearance, voice and mannerisms of different figures....didn't see any of that in this....

a friend of mine from the State dept. sent this.

"Certainly from our standpoint, this gives us a sense of momentum -- when the United States has accolades tossed its way, rather than shoes."

sean

a friend of mine from the State dept. sent this.

"Certainly from our standpoint, this gives us a sense of momentum -- when the United States has accolades tossed its way, rather than shoes."

sean

A friend of yours? Aparently you and Hillary Clinton are friends? I just read that exact quote on CNN.
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it would be much funnier if he actually did a good Obama impersonation,

At least he has the coloration and hair style close but definitely needs larger ears! As stated by scottw: ", voice and mannerisms of different figures....didn't see any of that in this...." and I agree every other mannerism is a poor imitation. Maybe with practice it will get better now that the gloves are off on critiquing of Obama. He has definitely had too long of a honeymoon with the press corp. and the public.

Johnny,

My friends name is Paul. I did not say it was his quote. He e-mailed me.

sean

By "GIVING" Obama the Nobel Prize, they have effectively turned it into the equivilent of the Publisher's Clearinghouse Award..... It's now worthless!
There were people much more deserving of the award that ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING.

As my brother stated: I left a turd in the toilet that's just as deserving of that award.

Now I think I know where the stimulus $$ went!:smash:

I was hoping that he would be more that the man before him, but unfortunately he was.....more of a disgrace.

When any person tries to do too many things at one time, they tend to do all of them very badly and Obama is the man!

Maybe he and Carter can build houses after he drives the country into the ground?

On the day he was elected, 75% of the countries around the world immediately changed their opinions of America. So, What has he done? You tell me.

On the day he was elected, 75% of the countries around the world immediately changed their opinions of America. So, What has he done? You tell me.


Why is this not an endorsement of the American people, aren't they the ones that actually elected Obama? So you tell me, WHAT HAS OBAMA DONE?

On the day he was elected, 75% of the countries around the world immediately changed their opinions of America. So, What has he done? You tell me.

That's a statistic that I think was pulled from the deep crevices of someone's ass.

Are you sure you aren't sean curry using a different name?

That's a statistic that I think was pulled from the deep crevices of someone's ass.

Are you sure you aren't sean curry using a different name?

Maybe it's Capt. Crunch (aka BSSB) back for more. He's using the computer at his mom's house.:grins:

On the day he was elected, 75% of the countries around the world immediately changed their opinions of America. So, What has he done? You tell me.

What has he done that changed the opinions of 75% of the countries of the world?

He's made us an easier target by screwing up just about everything he's tried to do.
Those 75% countries are probably countries that want the U.S. economy to fail so they can swoop in like vultures.
Pretty muchh EVERYTHING he's put his hands on left me scratching my head saying "WTF?" His predecessor may not have been the brightest bulb in the pack, but at least he tried to do what was best for the country MOST of the time.
Obama seems like he's doing the worst he can do, but paints such a pretty picture that we left looking like villians if we challenge him at any point.

Remember, actions speak louder than words, and all he's done is talk, talk, talk .....

And those 75% wanted a United States that was less strong . IMO

How soon will Time and Newsweek award him the "Man of the Year/Decade/Century" honors?
Come on now, just because he hasn't finished his first year let alone his first term shouldn't matter. Maybe while he's at it, he can apply for sainthood and be proclaimed the patron saint of hope and change?
(We have little hope that anything will change)

And those 75% wanted a United States that was less strong . IMO

Those 75% is a made up statistic.

How soon will Time and Newsweek award him the "Man of the Year/Decade/Century" honors?
Come on now, just because he hasn't finished his first year let alone his first term shouldn't matter. Maybe while he's at it, he can apply for sainthood and be proclaimed the patron saint of hope and change?
(We have little hope that anything will change)

That is a shoe in. You can place money on it. Whatever you have left.:rotf2:

SPOT on

What has he done that changed the opinions of 75% of the countries of the world?

He's made us an easier target by screwing up just about everything he's tried to do.
Those 75% countries are probably countries that want the U.S. economy to fail so they can swoop in like vultures.
Pretty muchh EVERYTHING he's put his hands on left me scratching my head saying "WTF?" His predecessor may not have been the brightest bulb in the pack, but at least he tried to do what was best for the country MOST of the time.
Obama seems like he's doing the worst he can do, but paints such a pretty picture that we left looking like villians if we challenge him at any point.

Remember, actions speak louder than words, and all he's done is talk, talk, talk .....

The OPINION dialogue on is more a continuation of the 'anti-bush' rhetoric.
I there by declare this is Bush's fault
Blame the Victim - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704107204574469203986653982.html?m od=igoogle_wsj_gadgv1&)

The OPINION dialogue on is more a continuation of the 'anti-bush' rhetoric.
I there by declare this is Bush's fault
Blame the Victim - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704107204574469203986653982.html?m od=igoogle_wsj_gadgv1&)

That's a pretty convoluted piece.

-spence

How soon will Time and Newsweek award him the "Man of the Year/Decade/Century" honors?

sham of the year/decade/century......would be more like it

Its the Nobel Committee trying to steer American Politics.

In a sense , they are committing international espionage .
Lets bomb them damned Norwegian Peacenick infiltrator!!

Please wait a week though so I can stock up on Cod Fish before the price goes up when we bomb the salted cod factories over there.

Anyway , I do honestly think they are trying to steer our international policy by making this award to him. Its not right!

He should have rejected the award. He would have garnered a lot of respect for that.

It's a shame the spent all the charisma points on the Nobel Peace Prize Committee, he didn't have any in his pocket when he went in front of the Olympics Committee.... :rotf2:

Or maybe it was him coming that changed it... he never actually spoke to the peace prize folks and they still love him, but on the other hand he did speak to the Olympics folks and the US supposedly went from tied for first to dead last... :rotf2:

It's a shame the spent all the charisma points on the Nobel Peace Prize Committee, he didn't have any in his pocket when he went in front of the Olympics Committee.... :rotf2:

Or maybe it was him coming that changed it... he never actually spoke to the peace prize folks and they still love him, but on the other hand he did speak to the Olympics folks and the US supposedly went from tied for first to dead last... :rotf2:

Again with this. Boy it's great he failed and the US didn't get the Olymipcs. We really dodged a bullet there, rush...

What should surprise anyone about this. They give Gore the prize for something they told me about in grade school in the sixties. He makes a movie about the problem and that gets him a Nobel Prize. Just shows to go ya, is one more thing that can be bought.

Has anyone ever rejected the NPP?

Has anyone ever rejected the NPP?

There was a Vietnamese general(?) who rejected it in the 70's because he didn't feel Vietnam had achieved peace. He was jointly awarded it with Henry Kissenger. I think that's the only time it's been turned down.

Again with this. Boy it's great he failed and the US didn't get the Olymipcs. We really dodged a bullet there, rush...

I'm certain it saved us a ton of $$$ that would have went in the currupt hands of Obamas buddies. They would have needed federal money to pull it off and Obama would have printed some more.
I'm thrilled we didn't get it.

I would say it is a case of the NPP being politicized.
Do I think the administration lobbied covertly for it?
No, but I don't think they had to. The Nobel people don't want to not fawn over the president.
He's left with either accepting or saying, "Thanks, but I don't feel I've done anything yet for the cause of world peace."
A highly principled person could reject it, but he's a politician and as such, he's not highly principled - so they make a political decision. He can't reject it and join a NVA General as the only two people with the distinction of turning it down.

No, has more to do with the view that the US is in charge of the World. I'm not talking about the de facto leader, but rather that without our leadership the World will fail. Other Presidents have certainly thought it, but the people Bush surrounded himself with sure didn't have a problem saying it.

The Nobel prize is certainly a bit of a novelty all things considered, but I do give Obama props for how well he spoke about it when he made his remarks. It's not like he asked for it.

-spence


But he did get nominated by a elitist liberal in the states as a way to stick it up W's ass, and thats the only reason why he was nominated.