Where the fvck are all you politically correct a$$holes now?

This man was as anti-American as you can get but PC'ness allowed this a$$hole to become a US SOLDIER!!!HOW?!!!PLEASE EXPLAIN!...If you can.Don't try because you can't defend that fvck on any level.

This stupid radical muslim had an agenda from the beginning...to kill innocent young American serviceman and current policy is responsible for their deaths.

What a very sobering day will be tommorrow.

Oh boy, Your not going to be happy with the PC bunch here:rotf2:

It's a shame they didn't finish the bastard off & kill him.
Now we get to house him and feed him till the day he dies or till his appeals run out and they humanely stick a needle in his arm and let him go to sleep !

Can't believe he was "known" to the intelligence folks, who, after seeing he reached out to these foreign factions, did not step in and grab his azz..... WTF has happened here??? I expect he will be tried in a military court, not a federal court.

Where does anyone think the "PC Bunch" here approves of this act?

So BW, lets be un-PC: The army should be Christian only? Or are Jews and Atheists allowed to?

The Army missed the seemingly obvious warning signs that "This stupid Muslim" was anti-American. This was a tragedy, and likely an avoidable one.

As far as being still alive, lock him up for life. Not b/c I'm anti-death penalty (well I am in some cases) but because this makes him more of a martyr. I agree with Night, the people that saw what was going on and didn;t act have some blame in this. period. No "PC Bunch justification". I don't think that is profiling. I'd hope if it was a white soldier writing to, researching and speaking anti-semetic or joining the Aryan's, they'd grab him too...

more that come out on this, the more disturbing it is...
as much of an oxymoron that "Military Intelligence" is, this just drives the point home...... Military cannot be successful at it's task, and be PC...

but, this is 2009 not 1941...

and that is one of many reasons why we keep failing our military.

One of our best friends is a scientist, and she lost 2 of her guys that she works with in the military down there.

You guys are right they should have finished him off.

Brian, No one is saying Muslim's shouldn't be allowed to serve. The Christians, Jews and Atheists aren't terrorist trying to kill all Americans. The terrorist that are, including the Major, are all Muslims. That's not a made up stat or my opinion. It's fact.
You are arguing that this was not terrorism or he did not act in a terrorist way. Maybe you could enlighten us then.

The fact they didn't finish him off may allow us to find out what he thought and who else he has been in contact with. Now would be a good time for the PC bunch ( I kind of like that name) to change your torture position

The PC's will not respond until the President says that the creep was found not to be of sound mind and was disturb and no terrorist act was committed on my watch. That is when the PC's will argue the point.

I thought the President's speach was very, very good. Perhaps his best ever.

This was a tragedy, and likely an avoidable one.
...

this was not a tragedy, if you check the definition... a tragedy is a generally inevitable or unavoidable act of the force of nature, luck or God.....

tragedy - an event resulting in great loss and misfortune; "the whole city was affected by the irremediable calamity"; "the earthquake was a disaster"
calamity, catastrophe, disaster, cataclysm
misfortune, bad luck - unnecessary and unforeseen trouble resulting from an unfortunate event
act of God, force majeure, inevitable accident, unavoidable casualty, vis majorable

this was an outrage....

The terrorist that are, including the Major, are all Muslims.

Every terrorist trying to kill American's are Muslims? Not one group is of a different faith?
Sure about that?

FlyRod has the president showed one leaning of Mercy or justification for this animal? No.

As far as this being terrorism? I disagree. I think it was a mass murder. I'll leave it for debate, you'll keep saying it is, I'll stick to it being mass murder.

Bottom line, it is a tragedy. Period.

Where the fvck are all you politically correct a$$holes now?

This man was as anti-American as you can get but PC'ness allowed this a$$hole to become a US SOLDIER!!!HOW?!!!PLEASE EXPLAIN!...If you can.Don't try because you can't defend that fvck on any level.

This stupid radical muslim had an agenda from the beginning...to kill innocent young American serviceman and current policy is responsible for their deaths.

What a very sobering day will be tommorrow.

A lot of Muslims have given their lives for this country.

What were your exact words to me?? That's right, I should "pull my head out of my ass" for grouping people together. Then you some how related my reference to people in the South to servicemen and women.

At some point, someone will actually support the allegation that this was "an act of terrorism." How again was he trying to incite fear and influence government?

As far as this being terrorism? I disagree. I think it was a mass murder. I'll leave it for debate, you'll keep saying it is, I'll stick to it being mass murder.

The difference is that you can actually support your position. Where they support theirs with "well he was a Muslim."

Addition: I'm also rather curious on how the PCing of America caused this.

Every terrorist trying to kill American's are Muslims? Not one group is of a different faith?
Sure about that?

FlyRod has the president showed one leaning of Mercy or justification for this animal? No.

As far as this being terrorism? I disagree. I think it was a mass murder. I'll leave it for debate, you'll keep saying it is, I'll stick to it being mass murder.

Bottom line, it is a tragedy. Period.

noone to blame in a tragedy...everyone involved is a victim of an unavoidable event.....is that really where you want to stand on this one?

Yes Buckman, his speech was very good and that can not be taken away from him.

He also said a day prior that we should not rush to judgement.

The FBI did not rush to judgement and we see what happened.

At some point, someone will actually support the allegation that this was "an act of terrorism." How again was he trying to incite fear and influence government?

Johnny, you don't need to stick to your one narrow definition of terrorism. Although, I would say that walking into a room filled with military personnel and civilians armed to the teeth and opening fire would certainly be a way of "inciting fear". Would you agree?

Anyways, here is a definition of terrorism I found:

Cultural Dictionary

terrorism


Acts of violence committed by groups that view themselves as victimized by some notable historical wrong. Although these groups have no formal connection with governments, they usually have the financial and moral backing of sympathetic governments. Typically, they stage unexpected attacks on civilian targets, including embassies and airliners, with the aim of sowing fear and confusion. Israel has been a frequent target of terrorism, but the United States has increasingly become its main target. (See also September 11 attacks, Osama bin Laden, Hezbollah, and Basque region.)

The American Heritage® New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition
Copyright © 2005 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
Cite This Source

Where the fvck are all you politically correct a$$holes now?

This man was as anti-American as you can get but PC'ness allowed this a$$hole to become a US SOLDIER!!!HOW?!!!PLEASE EXPLAIN!...If you can.Don't try because you can't defend that fvck on any level.

This stupid radical muslim had an agenda from the beginning...to kill innocent young American serviceman and current policy is responsible for their deaths.

What a very sobering day will be tommorrow.
This post is so wrong :yak5:

-spence

Johnny, you don't need to stick to your one narrow definition of terrorism. Although, I would say that walking into a room filled with military personnel and civilians armed to the teeth and opening fire would certainly be a way of "inciting fear". Would you agree?

Anyways, here is a definition of terrorism I found:

Cultural Dictionary

terrorism


Acts of violence committed by groups that view themselves as victimized by some notable historical wrong. Although these groups have no formal connection with governments, they usually have the financial and moral backing of sympathetic governments. Typically, they stage unexpected attacks on civilian targets, including embassies and airliners, with the aim of sowing fear and confusion. Israel has been a frequent target of terrorism, but the United States has increasingly become its main target. (See also September 11 attacks, Osama bin Laden, Hezbollah, and Basque region.)

The American Heritage® New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition
Copyright © 2005 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
Cite This Source

The guy that opened fire on students at Virginia Tech certainly could be said to have "incited fear." Was he a terrorist?

The difference between your definition and the one I posted is that mine is the *actual* formal definition of terrorism. But, if you'd like to base the incident on yours, it still wasn't a terrorist act.

Thank you for supporting my point.

noone to blame in a tragedy...everyone involved is a victim of an unavoidable event.....is that really where you want to stand on this one?

Who said anything about no one being blamed? I have said over and over again someone dropped the ball on this.

From my desk copy of Websters:
Tragedy
1: a medieval narrative poem or tale typically describing the downfall of a great man
2 a : a disastrous event

That's the form of the word I'll stick to. Yes, this is a disastrous effect. Occurring a few days before Veterans day it is a TRAGEDY in my mind.

You guys see terrorism, I see a nut job shooting up his workplace. How many Christian nut jobs have walked into churches and opened fire at their own? I can think of the Knoxville case and a few others. How many non-religious people have walked into a post office or office building and shot it up. Was that terrorism? How about, the timely topic of John Allen Muhammad? Was he a terrorist? He incited fear? No, he was a mass murder and executed as one. JD mentioned the Va Tech shootings. Was he a terrorist? Or just a maladjusted nutjob.

Ultimately, we're arguing about a terrible thing this nut job, who killed 13 innocent people did. What we decide to call it is pretty irrelevant. What I do not want is my son to grow up thinking everyone with a name like Hussein COULD be a TERRORIST just because he is Muslim. There are horrible people in this world of all faiths, creeds and colors. Unfortunately, this has to be the lesson.

Happy Veteran's day to all that served.

According to a Rammussen Report majority of Americans want Ft. Hood investigated as terror attack.

65% want death penalty

According to a Rammussen Report majority of Americans want Ft. Hood investigated as terror attack.

65% want death penalty

Interesting because the average American doesn't know the specifics of the event aside from what the news has reported. That's what the investigators are for.

Regardless of how it is investigated, I want the death penalty as well. Murdering, regardless of one person or 50, should be met with death.

Where does anyone think the "PC Bunch" here approves of this act?

So BW, lets be un-PC: The army should be Christian only? Or are Jews and Atheists allowed to?

The Army missed the seemingly obvious warning signs that "This stupid Muslim" was anti-American. This was a tragedy, and likely an avoidable one.

As far as being still alive, lock him up for life. Not b/c I'm anti-death penalty (well I am in some cases) but because this makes him more of a martyr. I agree with Night, the people that saw what was going on and didn;t act have some blame in this. period. No "PC Bunch justification". I don't think that is profiling. I'd hope if it was a white soldier writing to, researching and speaking anti-semetic or joining the Aryan's, they'd grab him too...

Exactly what I expected to hear.

I directed my tirade at no one.I never mentioned the faults of the US Army or Government.I never mentioned military policy on religion.I never mentioned any S-B memeber's name and yet you responded and you bring up Jews,Aryan Nation etc.

My original post did what was intended.I threw out the bait and you took it hook,line and sinker.It was so easy it frightens me.

Rock you are PC'ness at its finest.Again exactly what I expected to hear.You're defending this guy without even realizing it!

But none of this matters.I had a great day.I fished.I drank.I did(raked dammit!)20 bags of leaves.And I'm a Vet....I feel good about myself.

This post is so wrong :yak5:

-spence

Tell that to my 13 serviceman.Nothing wrong about it.Nothing.

Exactly what I expected to hear.

This is your default response to just about anything. He could have said the sky looked neon green with stripes of purple and you'd response "exactly what I expected to hear."

People that act like you are why the KKK still has a strong following.

I still find it funny that you pissed and moaned because I made a generalized statement about a group of people, yet you've made multiple in this thread. Maybe you shouldn't drink before making posts.

This stupid radical muslim had an agenda from the beginning...to kill innocent young American serviceman and current policy is responsible for their deaths.


He must be a very patient man then...he was born in 1970 and enlisted straight out of high school, that would put him enlisting in 88-89. Since its 2009 that would make him a 20 year man....20 years he plotted this???

Rock you are PC'ness at its finest.Again exactly what I expected to hear.You're defending this guy without even realizing it!



Define my "PCness" then BW... if you know me as well as you think you do.... .

And I'm a Vet
Thanks for your service

He must be a very patient man then...he was born in 1970 and enlisted straight out of high school, that would put him enlisting in 88-89. Since its 2009 that would make him a 20 year man....20 years he plotted this???

did the 9/11 terrorists plot for 20 years? personally...I think this guy might have a bright future, he could get off on a technicality like Bill Ayers (Spence seems to think he might be somehow innocent, at least till proven guilty) and at that point the likes of Deval Patrick will begin referring to him is a "former" terrorist and he'll be invited to speak as an expert on Islamic/American relations at all of the enlightened institutions of higher learning and the folks that protest will be impuned and called intolerant bigots by the liberal elites....he will be warmly embraced by the liberal geniuses of academia and probably spend many years hailed as an esteemed professor at the University of Chicago where he will be the honored guest at cocktail parties in Obama's old neighborhood....who knows, he may launch the political career and advise closely one of our future presidents...anything is possible in America.....Ted Kennedy bounced back didn't he? he might live out his remaining years in Southern Maine wearing tee shirts with the faces of other famous terrorists and grow pot that Barney Frank will claim to be unable to recognize while pushing for it's legalization....

Define my "PCness" then BW... if you know me as well as you think you do.... .


Thanks for your service

your PC'ness is a tragedy...

4a. a flaw of character or conflict with some ovepowering force

people like JD and you and Nancy Pelosi and Bill Clinton who constantly twist and warp the definitions of words to suit your agenda should stop asking people to "define" things for you..it is a pointless exercise....

Exactly what I expected to hear.
You're defending this guy without even realizing it!


One last question for BW:
Where did I come close to defending him?
I repeatedly said all I disagree with this being 'terrorism' and was more likely a mass murder, rampage type event by a nut job. More and more likely since he seems to have been deemed psychotic by his colleagues, who did nothing but pass the buck since he was being transferred out of Walter Reed.

Never in any of the above did I think he doesn't deserve to be punished. Period. I just think keeping him alive at Leavenworth is more punishment than the death penalty.

One last question for BW:
Where did I come close to defending him?
You idiot.

You're either with US (i.e. Wipe and Scottw) or you're with the TERRORISTS.

This thread is so sad.

Pretty soon people will be shooting up geology departments as a "preemptive measure" to prevent their liberal sissy votes from killing more of the GOOD Americans.

Bin Laden hoped he could help turn Americans on themselves.

Good job guys.

-spence

Hasan was characterized in meetings as a mediocre student and lazy worker, a matter of concern among the doctors and staff at Walter Reed Army Medical Center and the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences, a military medical school in Bethesda, Md., the official said.

Mediocre student! Lazy! Damn, I think I am surrounded at work by terrorists!

Hasan was characterized in meetings as a mediocre student and lazy worker, a matter of concern among the doctors and staff at Walter Reed Army Medical Center and the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences, a military medical school in Bethesda, Md., the official said.

Mediocre student! Lazy! Damn, I think I am surrounded at work by terrorists!
I'm sure there are plenty of people scrambling to determine why this guy wasn't identified as a mental risk in time, or why nothing was really done about it.

-spence

your PC'ness is a tragedy...

4a. a flaw of character or conflict with some ovepowering force

people like JD and you and Nancy Pelosi and Bill Clinton who constantly twist and warp the definitions of words to suit your agenda should stop asking people to "define" things for you..it is a pointless exercise....

Are you sure you aren't defining yourself exactly? There's a difference between presenting facts (my posts), and making statements based on out-of-context, contorted commentaries and delusion(your posts).

I would love a couple of examples where I "twist and warp the definitions of words to suit my agenda." Quite frankly, you either copy paste something from some vague conservative website or commentary, or you make up a response that often doesn't even begin to make sense. The part of asking people like you and asswipe to define things is that you get stuck against the corner because now you're being asked make a statement based on facts - to which you just dance around the point and make a post like the one you just made.

After a few examples of how *I* twist and warp things, I'll show you a laundry list of when you have.

I'm sure there are plenty of people scrambling to determine why this guy wasn't identified as a mental risk in time, or why nothing was really done about it.

-spence

we know why...

“As great a tragedy as this was, it would be a shame if our diversity became a casualty as well,” the Army Chief of Staff also said Sunday.

political correctness, diversity and fear of offending with the hammer of authority coming down on your head as you are labeled intolerant and bigoted... trumps common sense, even in the military

Innocent to proven guilty? :confused:

or

Guilty until proven innocent? :confused:

JohnnyD, I need help with the above since you say bigger percentage of people do not know as much about this guy being a terrorist or not being one as you do.

Why is the nation picking on this poor depressed Islamic person and his rights? Why couldn't he have gotten on his magic prayer carpet and fly away to his native land?

I would love a couple of examples where I "twist and warp the definitions of words to suit my agenda." .

"living in squander"

[QUOTE=JohnnyD;723407]
There's a difference between presenting facts (my posts), your opinion, talk about delusional

:uhuh:

[QUOTE=JohnnyD;723407]
After a few examples of how *I* twist and warp things, I'll show you a laundry list of when you have.I hope you waste a ton of time:rotf2:

YOU ARE BECOMING A "THREAD NAZI":fury:

I'm sure there are plenty of people scrambling to determine why this guy wasn't identified as a mental risk in time, or why nothing was really done about it.

-spence

and there are twice as many scrambling to cover it up so it does not reflect negatively on the commander and chief!

The more we learn about this the worse it looks. How does a a mediocre student and lazy worker get promoted to Major? They arrested the Sudbury kid on less then they had on this guy. I know this wasn't terrorism, as I now have seen the light( thanks JD ), however if this guy slipped through the cracks, then how safe are we?

The more we learn about this the worse it looks. How does a a mediocre student and lazy worker get promoted to Major? They arrested the Sudbury kid on less then they had on this guy. I know this wasn't terrorism, as I now have seen the light( thanks JD ), however if this guy slipped through the cracks, then how safe are we?

This, I agree with.

I know there will be a barrage after this but... There are many very intelligent, honorable people in the military. However, the 6 people from my graduating class that entered the military were the same people that got in trouble a lot at school, were in the bottom 50% of the class - then I know of at least 2 others that were kicked out of college and sent into the military by their parents. I'm not criticizing, just relaying the numbers from my class.

On the other hand, I know well over 10-20 people I went to college with that went on to be career Officers.

The current state of our military is extremely overstretched. That's not to say there shouldn't be some sort of vetting process, but recruiters are being pressured to bring in numbers or not get promoted - they're trying to fill as many boots as possible. There are bad apples in all fields, combine that with the stresses of combat and putting your life on the line for military people.

so, isnt it sort of a safe bet to say he slipped through the cracks because of pc?
I mean you dont think his background/faith influenced his promotion AT ALL? You dont think the military was more leniant on him because he was muslim? just asking.

The military should have only one job. Kill bad guys that endanger our Liberty and Freedom. They have the brightest and best this country has to offer. They are held back because of politics. Casey and the others are politicians first and commanders second. We worry about how every move we make might offend someone and in the end no move is made. I wish there was a better way of saying it then PC because so many get offended by that.You have to be PC about how you use the term PC.

The more we learn about this the worse it looks. How does a a mediocre student and lazy worker get promoted to Major? They arrested the Sudbury kid on less then they had on this guy. I know this wasn't terrorism, as I now have seen the light( thanks JD ), however if this guy slipped through the cracks, then how safe are we?

Terrorism, especially as a means to influence government policy, may be too general a term to apply to this situation. More specifically, Islamic terrorism might be more apt. According to the overly admired Wikipedia "Islamic terrorism is the common term for violence thought to be rooted in Islamism or misinterpretation of Islam, and is based on claims of defending, or even promoting Islamic culture, society and values in opposition to the political, allegedly imperialistic, and cultural influences of non-Muslims, and the Western World in particular." Based on some of Hasan's previous statements against our being in Iraq and Afghanistan and what should be done to non-Muslims, his act might be construed as a violent defence of Islam. Muslim scholar Zakir Naik said (again in Wikipedia) "Every Muslim should be a terrorist. A terrorist is a person who causes terror. The moment a robber sees a policeman he is terrified. A policeman is a terrorist for the robber. A muslim should be a terrorist for the robber and all other anti-social elements." Hasan seems to have considered America, especially its military, as anti-Muslim-social.

As far as this being a psychological "snap," not only was his act too well prepared to be a snap, but there may be a pathological element to most terrorist acts (certainly anti-social). Afghan pathologist Dr. Yusuf Yadgari (again in Wikipedia) found in a study of 110 suicide bombers that 80% of them had some kind of physical or mental disability. The difference between a terrorist and a mental case may not be that great, and to say that Hasan had a mental problem does not discount him being an Islamist terrorist.

As far as it being an act of mass murder rather than terrorism, most acts of terrorism are acts of mass murder--again, being one doesn't discount the other.

Perhaps an even better name for Hasan would be Jihadist. Especially one of the "lesser Jihad" or Jihad of the sword. This is justified by Muslim Scholars as acting against injustice and oppression (he certainly viewed the U.S. as unjust and oppressive in Iraq and Afghanistan), and as acting against the rejecters of truth after it has become evident to them (as we in the West reject the truth presented to us by Osama bin Laden, Hasan, and Islam).

We worry about how every move we make might offend someone and in the end no move is made. I wish there was a better way of saying it then PC because so many get offended by that.You have to be PC about how you use the term PC.

Agreed. I refuse to walk on eggshells for anyone and the military shouldn't have to either when it comes to the safety of our honorable soldiers. Anyone that appears to be even the slightest risk to other soldiers should be removed immediately - whether they're Muslim, female, high ranking or otherwise. But, the military is already understaffed, removing a large number of people that *might* be a risk could have the potential to be more dangerous.

Somehow my thinking that this wasn't a terrorist incident, has been conflated by some into me being PC.

[QUOTE=JohnnyD;723466] conflated

Not for nothing John, but that is a good word.

One last question for BW:
Where did I come close to defending him?
I repeatedly said all I disagree with this being 'terrorism' and was more likely a mass murder, rampage type event by a nut job. More and more likely since he seems to have been deemed psychotic by his colleagues, who did nothing but pass the buck since he was being transferred out of Walter Reed.

Never in any of the above did I think he doesn't deserve to be punished. Period. I just think keeping him alive at Leavenworth is more punishment than the death penalty.

How is terrorism and what you call "mass murder" and the death 13 American soldiers different?A religious muslim fanatic ended the lives of 13 good Americans.That's terror at its best.

This is your default response to just about anything. He could have said the sky looked neon green with stripes of purple and you'd response "exactly what I expected to hear."

People that act like you are why the KKK still has a strong following.

I still find it funny that you pissed and moaned because I made a generalized statement about a group of people, yet you've made multiple in this thread. Maybe you shouldn't drink before making posts.

Smoke up some more dude.I'll never understand people like you who compare me to the KKK.Its like comparing me to a nazi who just killed some jews.Get a grip johnny I'm a fvcking Armenian.I live with people who're the relatives of 2.5 million people slaughterd by muslims.Keep your mouth shut until you actually have someting intelligent to say.

conflated

Not for nothing John, but that is a good word.

Haha... thank you.

Keep your mouth shut until you actually have someting intelligent to say.

Someone should take their own advice - especially a person that hasn't put an ounce of intelligence into any of their posts in here.

At least for once you didn't start a post with "Exactly the response I expected."

Someone should take their own advice - especially a person that hasn't put an ounce of intelligence into any of their posts in here.

At least for once you didn't start a post with "Exactly the response I expected."

Exactly the response I expected.

Really.

I love people like you who ride the coat tails of us vets.I literally have dead friends so that we can have this discussion.

Bless you dude and your family.I really mean that.

Exactly the response I expected.

Really.

I love people like you who ride the coat tails of us vets.I literally have dead friends so that we can have this discussion.

Bless you dude and your family.I really mean that.

As a vet, your service is more than appreciated. The sacrifice a soldier makes deserves a level of respect higher than any other.

On the other hand, being a vet is not a blank check to be a prick because someone disagrees with you.

How is terrorism and what you call "mass murder" and the death 13 American soldiers different?A religious muslim fanatic ended the lives of 13 good Americans.That's terror at its best.
I guess if you view violence by Muslims always as "terrorism" you'd have a point.

It's interesting how in many of these threads people are actually going out of their way to stress the word "terrorist" like some also stress the "Hussein" when speaking about the President.

It's almost like some are wishing he's a terrorist just to prove some point.

What point?

That Muslims are all terrorists?

I'm thinking that might just be the point.

-spence

I guess if you view violence by Muslims always as "terrorism" you'd have a point.

It's interesting how in many of these threads people are actually going out of their way to stress the word "terrorist" like some also stress the "Hussein" when speaking about the President.

It's almost like some are wishing he's a terrorist just to prove some point.

What point?

That Muslims are all terrorists?

I'm thinking that might just be the point.

-spence

There's no point to be made, just ignorance. asswipe has already made it clear the reason he holds this opinion isn't because of actual evidence, but because of the Armenian Genocide committed almost 100 years ago. I'm still sensitive about my Irish relatives dying during the Great Famine 150 years ago - which is why I don't allow potatoes in my house.

I'll never understand people like you who compare me to the KKK.Its like comparing me to a nazi who just killed some jews.Get a grip johnny I'm a fvcking Armenian.I live with people who're the relatives of 2.5 million people slaughterd by muslims.Keep your mouth shut until you actually have someting intelligent to say.
You sound a lot like the black activists who say that African Americans can't be racists.

-spence

I don't allow potatoes in my house.
Not even potato chips? What about Guinness - is that banned also? Take away the potatoes and the Guinness and you're down the just the Jameson food group.

Not even potato chips? What about Guinness - is that banned also? Take away the potatoes and the Guinness and you're down the just the Jameson food group.

Guinness is a staple in my house... and after 4 years, my girlfriend has finally started to understand when I ask "Do you have Guinness on tap?" why I then order a different beer if the response is "I'm sorry, but we have it in the bottle."

I guess if you view violence by Muslims always as "terrorism" you'd have a point.

It's interesting how in many of these threads people are actually going out of their way to stress the word "terrorist" like some also stress the "Hussein" when speaking about the President.

It's almost like some are wishing he's a terrorist just to prove some point.

What point?

That Muslims are all terrorists?

I'm thinking that might just be the point.

-spence

Avoiding to describe this as potential terrorism just might get people killed. If you don't think Obama is also investigating this as a potential terrorist attack then I hope your wrong, for your kids sake. Even I have more faith in Obama then that.

I guess if you view violence by Muslims always as "terrorism" you'd have a point.


What point?

That Muslims are all terrorists?

I'm thinking that might just be the point.

-spence

You really say some pretty stupid things.

Avoiding to describe this as potential terrorism just might get people killed. If you don't think Obama is also investigating this as a potential terrorist attack then I hope your wrong, for your kids sake. Even I have more faith in Obama then that.

I think the military police are smart enough to conduct an investigation without biasing it one way or the other.

-spence

You really say some pretty stupid things.

How so? That people let stereotypes and bigotry pollute their thinking?

That's stupid?

-spence

How so? That people let stereotypes and bigotry pollute their thinking?

That's stupid?

-spence
you should include yourself....

I guess if you view violence by Muslims always as "terrorism" you'd have a point.

It's interesting how in many of these threads people are actually going out of their way to stress the word "terrorist" like some also stress the "Hussein" when speaking about the President.

It's almost like some are wishing he's a terrorist just to prove some point.

What point?

That Muslims are all terrorists?

I'm thinking that might just be the point.

-spence

interesting how many on the left are desperate to claim that this is not terrorism and remarkable to watch the contortions...to the extent that Brian Williams proclaimed last night that " the military will not charge Hasan with terrorism" and then softly followed with the fact that the military actually has no charge for terrorism with which to charge him....but the emphasis was obvious and a bald faced liar made his point...fear of some anti-muslim backlash is overriding any other concern...

Spence, let's do this...let's pile up all of the bodies of the victims of the imagined anti-muslim backlash by radical right wing extremists...or anyone else for that matter since 9/11...there should be a lot because there's are a whole lot of bigotry and stereotyping out there ...big population of angry non-muslims vs. muslims, probably thousand of victims right?....and then let's pile up the bodies of the victims of muslim extremists during the same period....clearly, the first reaction of this administration post big bomb going off in a major city will be to schedule an anti-muslim backlash summit...your suggestion that some here some would like this to be terrorism to justify some belief that all muslims are terrorists is a despicable as anything I've ever heard.....only a fool would or should suggest that from either side...to impune those that view this as a terrorist act given the reality of the last what?...20 + years???....is to mock common sense...

keep rolling though...you continue expose youself as a fool

Here is a stupid thing to say,

All Muslims should be treated as Terrorist until proven other wise. :uhuh:

My mind is not polluted. :gu:, that's just good beer.

I'm not a bigot, I can care less about anothers creed.

When you have a group that will kill their children(women) because that family felt dishonored then that group should be watched.

your suggestion that some here some would like this to be terrorism to justify some belief that all muslims are terrorists is a despicable as anything I've ever heard.....only a fool would or should suggest that from either side...to impune those that view this as a terrorist act given the reality of the last what?...20 + years???....is to mock common sense...

Actually, Asswipe made it quite clear that his motivation for assuming this was terrorism is because of a deep seated disdain for Muslims due to the Armenian Genocide. That's what spence is referencing when he states "I guess if you view violence by Muslims always as "terrorism" you'd have a point.".

How so? That people let stereotypes and bigotry pollute their thinking?

That's stupid?

-spence

No one said any such thing!!!!. My hunting buddy is a Muslim, head of a Muslim school as a matter of fact. I have NO fear of Muslims.
I do have a fear of Islamic extremist. And you should too.

No one said any such thing!!!!. My hunting buddy is a Muslim, head of a Muslim school as a matter of fact. I have NO fear of Muslims.
I do have a fear of Islamic extremist. And you should too.

last bastion of a fool...
cmon' Buck, you should know the routine by now, it always ends up in a charge or racism, bigotry, ignorance...you could be married to a muslim and you'd still be a racist....I listened to a lilly white liberal(self described)guy on sports radio recently sit with a black guy and pontificate on what was racist toward blacks and what was not...the black guy kept saying "I don't see racism in that" and lilly white guy kept saying "that is absolutelly racist"....never get between a radical liberal extremist and a charge of racism or bigotry because he will be going a hundred miles an hour to get there....

Actually, Asswipe made it quite clear that his motivation for assuming this was terrorism is because of a deep seated disdain for Muslims due to the Armenian Genocide. That's what spence is referencing when he states "I guess if you view violence by Muslims always as "terrorism" you'd have a point.".

actually, you are only referring to the first sentence...I was referring to the rest....they are separate...

It's interesting how in many of these threads people are actually going out of their way to stress the word "terrorist" like some also stress the "Hussein" when speaking about the President.

It's almost like some are wishing he's a terrorist just to prove some point.

What point?

That Muslims are all terrorists?

I'm thinking that might just be the point.

-spence

quite a conclusion

last bastion of a fool...
cmon' Buck, you should know the routine by now, it always ends up in a charge or racism, bigotry, ignorance...you could be married to a muslim and you'd still be a racist....I listened to a lilly white liberal(self described)guy on sports radio recently sit with a black guy and pontificate on what was racist toward blacks and what was not...the black guy kept saying "I don't see racism in that" and lilly white guy kept saying "that is absolutelly racist"....never get between a radical liberal extremist and a charge of racism or bigotry because he will be going a hundred miles an hour to get there....

You make it sound like they think all Republicans are "religous zealots":rotf2:
I would like to know when the Dems became the self proclaimed party for minorities, they didn't start out that way... Hmmm I wonder when that was.....:tm:( that's a hand out :rotf2:)

The guy that opened fire on students at Virginia Tech certainly could be said to have "incited fear." Was he a terrorist?

The difference between your definition and the one I posted is that mine is the *actual* formal definition of terrorism. But, if you'd like to base the incident on yours, it still wasn't a terrorist act.

Thank you for supporting my point.

Sorry it took some time for me to get back on this JD, I was in vacation for a while. So your definition is the only one that counts? You really know how to change direction to support your own arguments. You don't need to take one piece of a definition and apply it to one specific incident to make a point. It makes you look unintelligent and we know you aren't that.

Read the following article and see if you are still 100% convinced that this wasn't a terrorist act. Pay special attention to the comments made by Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl M. Levin. Also, keep in mind that I never claimed this was an act of terrorism. I only said that there are people who feel it is and there may be reason for them to think it is.

Hasan had intensified contact with cleric - Washington Post- msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34075908/ns/us_news-washington_post)


By the way, thanks for supporting my point.

you should include yourself....

I guess if you view violence by Muslims always as "terrorism" you'd have a point.

It's interesting how in many of these threads people are actually going out of their way to stress the word "terrorist" like some also stress the "Hussein" when speaking about the President.

It's almost like some are wishing he's a terrorist just to prove some point.

What point?

That Muslims are all terrorists?

I'm thinking that might just be the point.

-spence

interesting how many on the left are desperate to claim that this is not terrorism and remarkable to watch the contortions...to the extent that Brian Williams proclaimed last night that " the military will not charge Hasan with terrorism" and then softly followed with the fact that the military actually has no charge for terrorism with which to charge him....but the emphasis was obvious and a bald faced liar made his point...fear of some anti-muslim backlash is overriding any other concern...

Spence, let's do this...let's pile up all of the bodies of the victims of the imagined anti-muslim backlash by radical right wing extremists...or anyone else for that matter since 9/11...there should be a lot because there's are a whole lot of bigotry and stereotyping out there ...big population of angry non-muslims vs. muslims, probably thousand of victims right?....and then let's pile up the bodies of the victims of muslim extremists during the same period....clearly, the first reaction of this administration post big bomb going off in a major city will be to schedule an anti-muslim backlash summit...your suggestion that some here some would like this to be terrorism to justify some belief that all muslims are terrorists is a despicable as anything I've ever heard.....only a fool would or should suggest that from either side...to impune those that view this as a terrorist act given the reality of the last what?...20 + years???....is to mock common sense...

keep rolling though...you continue expose youself as a fool

I didn't see this one before...must have been on the road :sled:

I you need to twist my words to make me a fool, then perhaps that should tell you something about yourself.

-spence

Sorry it took some time for me to get back on this JD, I was in vacation for a while. So your definition is the only one that counts? You really know how to change direction to support your own arguments. You don't need to take one piece of a definition and apply it to one specific incident to make a point. It makes you look unintelligent and we know you aren't that.

Read the following article and see if you are still 100% convinced that this wasn't a terrorist act. Pay special attention to the comments made by Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl M. Levin. Also, keep in mind that I never claimed this was an act of terrorism. I only said that there are people who feel it is and there may be reason for them to think it is.

Hasan had intensified contact with cleric - Washington Post- msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34075908/ns/us_news-washington_post)
I'd be curious to see if they have enough evidence to indict the cleric who's apparently been watched as someone who incites violence.

-spence

Sorry it took some time for me to get back on this JD, I was in vacation for a while. So your definition is the only one that counts?
I'm not sure any definition really counts, unless one is willing to define the reaction to the deserving action.

-spence