We should have a quick discussion on what to set up for a contest if we have one this year.

Tagger and I spoke about everyone making Flaptails and maybe that could be an idea for best representation of a classic:huh:

anything to add? let's discuss it
I'll make a decision next week.

Something to honor Steve is a great idea.

We should have a quick discussion on what to set up for a contest if we have one this year.

Tagger and I spoke about everyone making Flaptails and maybe that could be an idea for best representation of a classic:huh:

anything to add? let's discuss it
I'll make a decision next week.


like that Idea

I had that same thought Bruce! How fitting!

Tagger and I spoke about everyone making Flaptails and maybe that could be an idea for best representation of a classic:huh:


Flaptail has meant alot to us plugbuilders and it would be nice honoring his memory with a major Flaptail build .. who wins ? who cares ? just that it happens ..

Perfect. I'm in.

I'm in.

Maybe charge an entry fee for the contest and put the proceeds toward an organization Steve supported?

Bruce, that would be a fitting tribute. I'm sure there will be an overwhelming number of exhibitors.I'm definately in.

just a thought, how about a FLIPTAIL plug + $5.00 entry fee, have everyone signe the plug in memory of, an
then auction them off an use the proceeds as needed :smash:
GOOD LUCK GOOD PLUGGIN:uhuh:

just a thought, how about a FLAPTAIL plug + $5.00 entry fee, have everyone sign the plug in memory of, an
then auction them off an use the proceeds as needed :smash:
GOOD LUCK GOOD PLUGGIN:uhuh:

I like that idea, but maybe give the builder the option of donating the flaptail plug to a raffle and we raise funds for Steve's family.
I will make sure we have rolls of tickets for this and the door prize.

I'd also like to have a raffle of any other donations if that is feasible. I have stuff to put in and hope to have more come Feb.

For the usual contest we have every plugfest, how about if we only have 2 categories? I think that would be enough. And for voting, maybe limit those also to keep it simple.

KISS!

I would like to suggest if we could call the prize for the best plug the "Steve Shiraka award" in honor of Steve as he was such a plug aficionado.

Maybe for best "Copy of an original" plug??

I would like to suggest if we could call the prize for the best plug the "Steve Shiraka award" in honor of Steve as he was such a plug aficionado.

Good call Lu ,,, Keep Steve with us as long as Plugfest exist ..

Why not rename Plugfest after Steve? As well as teh contest.

PlugFest should always be PlugFest......but it will always miss Flaptail. Honor him with the Flaptail plug contest and name the "Best of Show" award after him!:uhuh:

Bruce,

I totally agree on dedicating it to Flap. I think if you want to enter a plug into plugfest this year, there should be a mandatory flaptail made. And those flaptails will go into a flaptail category all by themselves. I also think that only entrants should be able to vote. :uhuh:

Funny ....I thought the same thing...there should be a flaptail plug entry

Maybe for best "Copy of an original" plug??

I think this category would be fitting to be named after the tall guy. I know how much Steve luved the old school stuff. It is by far my favorite.

He did! He loved the vintage stuff! Might be cool if the entrant showed an example of the original along with the replicated plug!!:uhuh:

Seconded Paul's idea of re-naming the award after Flap.

For the usual contest we have every plugfest, how about if we only have 2 categories? I think that would be enough. And for voting, maybe limit those also to keep it simple.

Plus the Novice Builder award? It was one of the best things that ever happened to me!

Novice Builder award? Hell yes, I love getting put in my place. The rookies are doing some amazing things these days.

Took a look at the old threads and these are the categories we had last year. I bolded 3 I think need to be a part of plugfest. Though I do like having the several categories as it encourages people to build things that are out of the box. I think one way or the other a decision should be made on what categories are going to be included so people can get to building.

Best first year builder
Best representation/restoration of a classic
Best of show
Best hand carved
Wall Hanger
Most likely to catch a cow on its first cast
Novelty plug

I would think we keep at least most of the same categories, at least in spirit maybe combining some.

Best overall
Rookie Plug
Best Classic - homage to / restoration of - Steve was big into rebuilding old and dilapidated classics too. Interesting he won it every year (though tied for it some times)
Novelty Plug

We've generally varied the categories but these above I think best inspire the fest.

When you pay admission you get a ticket for door prize AND your simple voting slip and only those slips will be taken for the vote - that should keep it more simple :tooth:


Just My Opinion :tooth:

I'll pretty much support what is best (or what Slip tells me to do).

I agree with that John

so I guess we'll have 4 plug contest categories

best overall
best Flaptail plug in honor of Steve
best rookie
best novelty

Could make it the Flaptail award for the best classic plug.

so I guess we'll have 4 plug contest categories

best overall
best Flaptail plug in honor of Steve
best rookie
best novelty

Bruce

I have a question. For the flaptail can we put a flaptail on another style of plug (ie surfster or spook) or do we have to stay to this
original flaptail style?

creativity is up to the builder
however it is done is up to you
a needle with a small blade in back qualifies I guess since it would have a flaptail.
They can use colorado blades or real flaptail blades, doesn't matter. there are no hard set rules

Bruce, where can I get flaptail blades? I have seen colorado blades, but none of those used on flaptails?

I thought moores sold them
I think salty has them too

yes, sold by both places

We need to nail down how the ballots for voting will look.
what are the final categories?

Can someone write out the ballots here on a post? and I can print a bunch up before the fest.

I have enough to do and would like the ballots to be reasonable and what everyone wants.

Anyone? take a stab at it please

so I guess we'll have 4 plug contest categories

best overall
best Flaptail plug in honor of Steve
best rookie
best novelty

So is this what we came up with for ballots?

if so, that is what we'll do unless you want further discusion

What about best representation of a classic, or is that just going to be the flaptails?

Thank you Dan, I'll add that one too

OK, just to be clear, is it the case that contest plugs will be mostly Flaptail plugs? Are some people bringing contest plugs other than Flaptails? I thought so :huh: Are they all being judged all at once? I'm so confused
someone straighten me out please.

I was going to make a flaptail and also a contest plug(not a flaptail plug) if that makes any sense.

One table will have contest plugs to be voted on by everyone, another table will display all the flaptail plugs(hopefully most of them will be donated to the raffle, I understand if some do not) , now this brings my dilema, do we have 2 separate votings/ballots? or just add a category at bottom of the regular ballot?

can you see how I'm confused:confused:

I know in years past allot of people built 2 plugs for contests. One for overall and another geared at a specific category. So I think that should still be an option for people.

So here is what I'm thinking we have 5 categories...
Best of Show
Best Representation of a Classic
Best Rookie/Novice Builder
Best Novelty Plug
Best Flaptail Plug

So in the end we have one ballot with the 5 categories. Everyone that enters a plug should include a notecard with the categories (all plugs are automatically considered for Best of Show) that they want the plug entered. Then as the plugs are displayed for voting they can be arranged by category.

I know in years past allot of people built 2 plugs for contests. One for overall and another geared at a specific category. So I think that should still be an option for people.



I agree:uhuh:

So here is what I'm thinking we have 5 categories...
Best of Show
Best Representation of a Classic
Best Rookie/Novice Builder
Best Novelty Plug
Best Flaptail Plug

So in the end we have one ballot with the 5 categories. Everyone that enters a plug should include a notecard with the categories (all plugs are automatically considered for Best of Show) that they want the plug entered. Then as the plugs are displayed for voting they can be arranged by category.

Perfect
yes, please include the card with your entries.
Dan seems to have the jist of this contest thing :btu:

any more input?

I found this beauty thanks to KarlF :)



What we can do better:


Bigger space :tooth: - that would have been tough in the other hall too
Plan better. Yes, we can plan a bit better and perhaps earlier. The help was fantastic and a team effort, we can a little more help and a little earlier planning.
Document better within some classes of the competition. Maybe next year we have a "form" that people fill out on the classics, better explaining the job and intent. I noticed this was lacking when I was getting handed paper bag after paper bag.

Plugfest has always been about this great plug building community of people in the northeast (and beyond). Lets keep it what it is, a community event, and not over complicate it.


OK,

1. bigger place - CHECK

2. plan better, I have been working on it and thought I got started on it plenty early. I will need others help on the day of also.

3. We should do some sort of PDF on a thread where everyone will be required to print it out and include it with their entry/entries.sounds like a plan to me.
put it in your paper bag with your plug.

Who is going to organize this? volunteers? step right up one of you plug building computer expert geeks, because if it's left up to me, it won't happen unless my daughter helps me:smash::wall:

HELP! please:soon:


I can try to make up some signs for the tables so guys know where to go with what plugs for what contest. that may make it less confusing.

THANK YOU

I'm not a computer geek but I'll do my best to help out. From my perspective we only need something to explain plugs in the Representation of a Classic category unless the builder feels the need to give people extra information about their plug. So I'm thinking on this form, Original Creators Name, a picture of the original, and any other information deemed noteworthy about the reproduction. If that sounds good I can make up a sample for people to follow.

Also I don't think a form is totally essential with entry but it is nice to have an understanding of where the plug came from.

"Document better within some classes of the competition. Maybe next year we have a "form" that people fill out on the classics, better explaining the job and intent. I noticed this was lacking when I was getting handed paper bag after paper bag."


I think the part about John being handed paper bag after paper bag, is why something besides your name needs to go with the plug.

And as far as voting purposes, last year we had no idea which plugs were in the classic category.

That is a start Dan, Thanks

Classic plugs are great, but last year Prof.s bass-aqua should have won hands down, as I saw nothing else that came close..in there lies the problem...if your not a classic collector and don't know the history behind the many that are out there...the adj. joe shouldn't be voting in that catogory...I over heard a few say...whats that thing? and his fishmaster got nothing but head scratching from the crowd.

Classic plugs are great, but last year Prof.s bass-aqua should have won hands down, as I saw nothing else that came close..in there lies the problem...if your not a classic collector and don't know the history behind the many that are out there...the adj. joe shouldn't be voting in that catogory...I over heard a few say...whats that thing? and his fishmaster got nothing but head scratching from the crowd.


agreed. I don't know jack squat about older plugs (and very little about newer ones). I would not feel comfortable voting in that category.

Classic plugs are great, but last year Prof.s bass-aqua should have won hands down, as I saw nothing else that came close..in there lies the problem...if your not a classic collector and don't know the history behind the many that are out there...the adj. joe shouldn't be voting in that catogory...I over heard a few say...whats that thing? and his fishmaster got nothing but head scratching from the crowd.

yep

ok a solution?

I am trying to atleast get it so the plugs are placed on the table in appropriate categories = novice/classic/general/flaptail

I am not the one who began this contest at plugfests and have had very little help since, a few have helped in the past like Bigfish,canalman,TTimber, Frank and JohnR etc. So if you can organize a separate ballot for the classics and a panel of judges Steve, then I can't see a solution to your observation. Ask the guys that are knowledgable in that area who will be attending if they can be judges or something. My plate seems to always be overflowing at this event. If that is what can be done to make it more fun and enjoyable for all than I am all for it.
Thanks

Another option would be to just put a note on the ballot that if you are not familiar with classic plugs don't vote for this category.

I found this beauty thanks to KarlF :)




OK,

3. We should do some sort of PDF on a thread where everyone will be required to print it out and include it with their entry/entries.sounds like a plan to me.
put it in your paper bag with your plug.

Who is going to organize this? volunteers? step right up one of you plug building computer expert geeks, because if it's left up to me, it won't happen unless my daughter helps me:smash::wall:

HELP! please:soon:


I can try to make up some signs for the tables so guys know where to go with what plugs for what contest. that may make it less confusing.

THANK YOU


I can give a hand if needed. its the least that I can do.

PDFs, Signs for the table..whatever.

who else is a classic plug collector here on sb other then VB an CS an perhaps the prof.??..there must be a closet collector or two hiding in the wings that go to the fest...yes-no?....if not that leaves only those two/three to decide the fate of the best classic repro....are they willing? /CS says :uhuh:he'll do it...I'll pm the other two an see what their thoughts are....stay tuned.


maybe george would care to be included too.

I collect just no where near the level of the VB and CS, but have done my research on the vintage stuff.

I like the idea of judges for the classic category and CS,VB,Numby are some of the most knowledgeable guys around.Bruce give me a call and i will see if i can help out with ballots or whatever as i am not an expert on the pc but i work next to one and have access to printer and such.

Bruce, just another idea.

If you are still planning on having seperate tables for each category, what if you had single category ballots on each corresponding table?

It may make it a little easier for voters this way. And that way they vote on the categories they are familiar with.

5 tables, 5 ballots, 5 boxes. Or split each table, one category per half. This way you have more room for builders to display.

Just an idea to try to help limit the confusion.

ok....george...peter an steve are on board as judges....prof. is working..so we gotta wait till after daylite to hear from him.Figure any plug that get atleast two or better votes gets a wet kiss from VB.In case of a tie, the two top plugs will get voted on again.

How's this for an entry form for the classic plugs.

You'd have those at the fest for folks to fill out when they come in with their baits?

You'd have those at the fest for folks to fill out when they come in with their baits?

those forms could be linked offa here, download it, and print it out at home...

ask CS about downloading, heard he downloads about 3 or 4 times a day...."Depends"....

;)

You'd have those at the fest for folks to fill out when they come in with their baits?

No, I would set up in Document form that people could download off of the site. That way anyone entering could fill it out before hand and hand it in when they submit their plugs.

OK, that looks good for the classic plug, thanks
we also need one for other categories that can be downloaded and printed.

I hope that makes sense to people.

We don't have room for multiple tables just for this contest, we'll set aside tables for
1 contest
2 a few tables for guys like Joe,bigfish,VB,2na and Eric for their displays of plugs or jigs.
3 raffle plugs and items
4 a couple near the kitchen for food
5 all the rest I guess will be a free for all every man for himself to share to put your stuff.

Door opens at 9:00
I will get there early to set up and will post a list of those who will be allowed to come early to set up.

since we now don't need the classic plug on the ballot
here are the 4 categories

Best of Show
Best Rookie/Novice Builder
Best Novelty Plug
Best Flaptail Plug

[QUOTE=Slipknot;744249]OK, that looks good for the classic plug, thanks
we also need one for other categories that can be downloaded and printed.
I hope that makes sense to people./QUOTE]

Can you tell me what info you want on an entry form for other plug categories? I'll set up a document entry form people can download later today for the classic category, and post it with an example.

classic plug judges:

Prof.
VB
Numbskull
CS

done..good to go.

I'll set up a document entry form people can download later today for the classic category, and post it with an example.

excellant, thanks



Can you tell me what info you want on an entry form for other plug categories?


OK
first the contestants name should be in the bag with the plug on a separate piece of paper.

the form should have a place for the category the plug goes into multiple choice to keep it simple

1. general
2. Flaptail plug
3. novelty plug
4. rookie

list those and then the contestant may choose one

also there should be an area for a short description of the plug = color, type of plug etc. so the form can stay on the table next to the plug.

finally a large box for us to assign a number to the plug. John usually keeps a master list so ballot counting goes faster and we know who wins what.

is that understandable?

I'll work on the ballots

Thank you Grapenuts:grins:

I wasn't going to do a Flaptail plug for the contest because A. I did not have alot of time and B. I had nothing to use as reference....however this morning I woke up and carved out a couple hours to get one done! I used a Flaptail ProfM had given me as a size reference and I used the pictures from Steve's "Some Plugs" thread that he had taken of his own Flaptails!! So I got one in the works I am happy to say!:uhuh:

Are hooks optional on contest plugs?

I would have to say yes they are necessary as it goes towards design and craftsmanship and shows how well the hooks are placed and how they hang...its part of the plug. Is there a reason you don't want hooks on it?:confused:

No just wondering. I thought it would be easier for many to handle and fondle!!

No just wondering. I thought it would be easier for many to handle and fondle!!

Put hook guards on it, its the only time I use them all year.

The contest plugs are not to be touched, picked up or fondled at all. Drooling on yourself is recommended but we do try to keep paws off not only because we do not want to damage someones work but trying to avoid five finger folks from helping them selves.....hey it happens!

SO NO TOUCHING!

I'm pretty sure the judges can handle the classic plugs.

classic plug judges:

Prof.
VB
Numbskull
CS

done..good to go.

Grapenuts,How about asking EricW if he'd be a judge also? :huh:

since we now don't need the classic plug on the ballot
here are the 4 categories

Best of Show
Best Rookie/Novice Builder
Best Novelty Plug
Best Flaptail Plug

I guess I should add \ Best Restored Plug

Grapenuts,How about asking EricW if he'd be a judge also? :huh:


If he'd like..he's welcome to, 5 wood b better then 4 .

best repro classic plugs will be handled "only" by the judges.

entering more then one classic won't be no-no..go for more if it pleases you.In the end they'll b only one plug that will b the winner.

OK,Eric is in.