New law would require $10 permit for saltwater fishing - Local News Updates - The Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/11/new_law_would_r.html)

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You beat me to it. I was just about to post this, too. $10 isn't bad at all, especially if they use the money for what they say they are going to use it for.

"The revenue collected from the sale of the permits would pay for administrative costs, data collection, programs to improve public access for recreational fishing, better fisheries management."

I'm going to be open minded for now, but I wonder how much of the money collected will be going towards "administrative costs" and how much will go towards improving public access?

I see Basic Patrick on the left

I see $10 more of my money being sucked up into the political and governmental vacuum!!! They suck!!:fury:

As long as none of the money collected from licenses or received from the Government ends up in the State's pockets, I'm all for it.

....BUT the second one peeny of these funds ends up in the state's coffers, their ever popular "rainy day fund", then all bets are off.

You know that if the state were to run the fisheries dept like they run the state itself, we'd could walk to Europe across the bodies of all the dead fish and whales. But at least the seals would be saved!

Since the state has done nothing to promote or generate a healthy fisheries environment, they shouldn't get one damn penny.
The state has shown us nothing but how to piss away BILLIONS on useless pet projects and kickbacks.

Bottom line is that I will be watching to see/hear if the state tries to weasel their way into the money, and when they do, the gloves come off....and IT"S ON!

Don't grumble. In CT the Gov. went from $10.00 to $60.00and thats just for saltwater, all outhers have gone way beyond reach also.

Beach Stickers, (in my town) used to be 5 bucks, (before that they was free, and before that they wasn 't needed) and the money was ear marked for Beach Management.... now it is 50 bucks for residents, buck eighty for no resident, and goes into the towns GF..and Beach Management has to fight for its funding like all other departments in town

Domino effect takes place..

FW license and it's "mandatory donation"...(now there is an Oxymoron for ya!)

Congrats..meybe.. time will tell....10 bucks, not bad for now...

Green Cops getting their budget slashed... how will this be enofrced???
I know more and more guys that FW fish (and fish pretty regular too) and don't bother getting the license and never get checked......

not trying to stir chit or cause trouble... just some observations....

It's only $10. If the money is used for what it is supposed to be used for then it is a good thing. I rather keep the money in state then have to pay for a federal permit @ $15-$25.....

Don't grumble. In CT the Gov. went from $10.00 to $60.00and thats just for saltwater, all outhers have gone way beyond reach also.

So we can look forward to that in 2011. :uhuh: :smash:

10 for me......no big deal
10 for each of my grown kids......OK
10 for each of my kids' visiting friends from college who want to go fishing once...ugh
10 for the neighbor who would like to go out if the wind that am is not too much.........aaaaagh!

Will there be some kind of "take a friend fishing once" exemption? Or some kind of transferable multi-person option?

How much will the fine be if you are caught without one?

Will I see any jail time??

Heck! Folks who are caught taking more than their share, caught with herring in their possession are punished less harshly I would bet!!!!!

Larry -thats cause they play the "no speekee engli" card...:fury:

Exactly Larry. Not that I advocate breaking the law but how can they expect to enforce with such a limited force(officers) and lots of shoreline. I may roll the dice on registering. This is bull crap big time. It will go up every year mark my words and those funds will not be spent on what it should! Total BS! :wall::wall:

Larry - I'm not happy about this so don't get me wrong - but you fish freshwater - do you buy a license for that or do you go rogue ?

I know this may seem like a long-shot...

But do you guys think there could be a way to make a list of shore access spots that we can petition for...or improvements on the time allowed to park/be there, etc?

When we all need to get registered, we could make this into a better outcome. For example....we get 300 registered SW fishermen to say they want a parking spot near loblolly cove (just pick a place)...can the state help us out?

Or will they say that the town has first rights to things like that?

Just an idea...and of course, I find this to be $10 wasted.

Chris

No I buy a FW license Steve. Given the financial climate was this good timing for this?? Was this about improving our fishing?? Or was it about more dough for the govenment??? I think the latter!!! I am not one to break the law....and I am also not going to get in dutch over $10......so I will do it....but I do not like it! All you guys who think this money will be going "to the right places" I think will be eating your hat soon enough!

It's only $10. If the money is used for what it is supposed to be used for then it is a good thing. I rather keep the money in state then have to pay for a federal permit @ $15-$25.....

I agree. Look at RI, no License, all the $$ will now leave the state.

$10 is a bargain-but with it comes the bigger question-will ri,ct,ny have recripocal rights with mass license or do you gotta buy thats states license to fish there.:wall:

I'm moving to Brazil, can't be many people left there by now...

$10 is a bargain-but with it comes the bigger question-will ri,ct,ny have recripocal rights with mass license or do you gotta buy thats states license to fish there.:wall:

If this issues has not been addressed, then I say screw it.
They've had how many months/years to fisgure this out?
If it only addtresses the amount of the fee and what it is "intended" to cover then it was a complete waste of our time.

We may need to stage a Massuachusetts Tea party type protest if all issues haven't been properly covered. There is no worse feeling than getting screwed by a panel that failed to address ALL pertinent issues related to this topic.

I do fear that the state will implant one of its stooges into the fisheries budget panel to ensure that they can take and do whatever they want with impunity.

Personally i would rather see a federal license because i bet you one of these azzclown governors are going to go against this being reciprocal.NY governor took away the payroll budget slated for the DEC and made it so the license pays for them (he kept his promise not to slate it to the general fund:smash:) so now the DEC is starting off in a deficit.Its just a shell game i swear all these bastages in govt. are nigerian con men.Its not going to be long that it will be $30,$40 or more.

Don't grumble. In CT the Gov. went from $10.00 to $60.00and thats just for saltwater, all outhers have gone way beyond reach also.

I am pretty sure "all waters" will be $50 for the combo next year

Wait until you have to go to a Registry to get it..... $50.00 by 2012.... Eff Duval

10 for me......no big deal
10 for each of my grown kids......OK
10 for each of my kids' visiting friends from college who want to go fishing once...ugh
10 for the neighbor who would like to go out if the wind that am is not too much.........aaaaagh!

Will there be some kind of "take a friend fishing once" exemption? Or some kind of transferable multi-person option?

This is what is irritating me about this whole thing.

10 for me......no big deal
10 for each of my grown kids......OK
10 for each of my kids' visiting friends from college who want to go fishing once...ugh
10 for the neighbor who would like to go out if the wind that am is not too much.........aaaaagh!

Will there be some kind of "take a friend fishing once" exemption? Or some kind of transferable multi-person option?

There should be a variant/possibility where the recreational "boat" buys 1-4 licenses good for the year which can be used to cover anyone coming on board for a friendly day of fishing. What kind of positive ID will be associated with each license?

10 for me......no big deal
10 for each of my grown kids......OK
10 for each of my kids' visiting friends from college who want to go fishing once...ugh
10 for the neighbor who would like to go out if the wind that am is not too much.........aaaaagh!

Will there be some kind of "take a friend fishing once" exemption? Or some kind of transferable multi-person option?

What do they do with the fresh water license when situations like this arise? I now they have daily licenses in some areas. Maybe that will be an option, but what would the cost be? $10 for the year is still pretty reasonable compared to the fresh water license.

So when they call you up, what are you going to tell them ? I caught a couple ah cunners and a sculpin ?:smash:

Just another tax so one of Deval's Relatives has a job. Now does a MA Commercial permit cover ya..........

$10 is a bargain-but with it comes the bigger question-will ri,ct,ny have recripocal rights with mass license or do you gotta buy thats states license to fish there.:wall:
as far as Reciprocity goes...

since RI doesn't have a license the answer would be no for that State.

and since CT and NY waters do not border MA then the answer is no for those 2 states.

But we gots 16 miles of NH coastline to frolic on.....

This is just the MA roll-out phase of the National Registry. All part of the Marine Recreational Information Program (Marine Recreational Information Program (http://www.countmyfish.noaa.gov/mrip/)). I would rather have MA DMF get the funding than the National GF, as those folks have been slashed to bit over the past 10 years.

No I buy a FW license Steve. Given the financial climate was this good timing for this?? Was this about improving our fishing?? Or was it about more dough for the govenment??? I think the latter!!! I am not one to break the law....and I am also not going to get in dutch over $10......so I will do it....but I do not like it! All you guys who think this money will be going "to the right places" I think will be eating your hat soon enough!

What it's about is complying with a Federal mandate. No more, no less. You can pay Deval $10 or you can pay Barrack $20. Those are the only two choices on the table for 2011.

Anyone who tries to tell you that there's a snowball's chance in hell of beating the Feds on this issue is full of hot air.

No license will be required in Mass in 2010. It's not clear whether we'll have to register with the Feds (my opinion is that we will have to), but the Federal registry is free in 2010.

Does anyone have an idea how many recreational fishermen fish in MA? Just wondering how much the state will squeeze from us.

$10 dollars is just the foot in the door ...I also wonder if this is going to put a damper on take a kid fishing .. no license no fishy .. I'd just soon pay the combo and get it over with ..

My head would have to be so far up my ass that I would be looking out my mouth to believe anything a politician tells me.:bshake:

Registry?? Why would I register??? If there is no fee I won't bother!!

Sucks.I'm not buying one.:wall:

Yeah, what really bugs me about this is the state reciprocity issue ... when you fish out of Stonington via boat, you could be in RI, NY and CT waters within minutes ... and if you don't bother fishing in CT at all, since Fisher's Island is all within NY ... do you still need to purchase a license for CT? As it would be tough to prove that you did not fish in CT waters when you return to port. So what do you do, have to purchase both a CT and NY license, along with a MA and any others that you may want to visit briefly ...?

One good thing about the Florida license for residents is that you don't need a license if you are fishing from shore ... although it may have changed since I lived there in the 1990s, but at that time, all residents who did not fish from boats could fish without the license and they sold a combo license with snook stamp for only two buck more at a reasonable cost ...

Something tells me that Mass will be a mess ...

Something tells me that Mass will be a mess ...


:spin: Yup!

What it's about is complying with a Federal mandate. No more, no less. You can pay Deval $10 or you can pay Barrack $20. Those are the only two choices on the table for 2011.

Anyone who tries to tell you that there's a snowball's chance in hell of beating the Feds on this issue is full of hot air.

No license will be required in Mass in 2010. It's not clear whether we'll have to register with the Feds (my opinion is that we will have to), but the Federal registry is free in 2010.


BS, That is the Deval way out.

So Does your Drivers Licence cover you in say California?
Atleast with the federal licence, you would be good wherever you go.

This sounds as ass backwards of when a commercial vehicle conducted buisness in another state it had to be tagged in that state.

Lets go Re-invent the wheel, ( It's a little known secret In Massachusettes we do it best).

All said and done were all going to piss and moan about it but no one will have the stones to stand up and say %$%$%$%$ YOU Im not doing it. Collectivly everyone has just bent over and taken it the hard way because as a group we all talk hard, but when it gets to doing, individuals roll over at the drop of a hat. Just contributing to the Wussification of America.


Ill probably get kicked off here with this post but oh well.

Comments are amazing..I wonder where all the above writers were when Patrick Parquet and the other political activists from MSBA - MBBA - and all the clubs were asking for comments and input on the FEDERAL mandate. I for one think we got the best we could get after much fighting and arguing. I don't like the fact we are getting hit with a fee to fish and am apprehensive about the future use of the funds, but this is NOT a State of Mass only mandate. Didn't RI legislature pass a similar bill only to have their Governor veto it ? That will make interesting reading next year.

i'll believe improved access when i see it............:confused:

Just a shot in the dark here, but I would imagine the SW license and getting caught fishing without one will fall under the same exact law as the FW license. And not that I ever enforced that particular law I believe it is an arrestable misdomeanor. You can also be summons, but you can be arrested also.

The administrative costs are the "friends of Deval" he hasn't found a job yet for.

BS, That is the Deval way out.

So Does your Drivers Licence cover you in say California?
Atleast with the federal licence, you would be good wherever you go.

This sounds as ass backwards of when a commercial vehicle conducted buisness in another state it had to be tagged in that state.

Lets go Re-invent the wheel, ( It's a little known secret In Massachusettes we do it best).

All said and done were all going to piss and moan about it but no one will have the stones to stand up and say %$%$%$%$ YOU Im not doing it. Collectivly everyone has just bent over and taken it the hard way because as a group we all talk hard, but when it gets to doing, individuals roll over at the drop of a hat. Just contributing to the Wussification of America.


Ill probably get kicked off here with this post but oh well.

Why would you get kicked off? For arguing a point (two years late)?

Comments are amazing..I wonder where all the above writers were when Patrick Parquet and the other political activists from MSBA - MBBA - and all the clubs were asking for comments and input on the FEDERAL mandate. I for one think we got the best we could get after much fighting and arguing. I don't like the fact we are getting hit with a fee to fish and am apprehensive about the future use of the funds, but this is NOT a State of Mass only mandate. Didn't RI legislature pass a similar bill only to have their Governor veto it ? That will make interesting reading next year.

We did get the best deal we are going to get in Mass. We got vetoed on the best deal RI was going to get.

Time for a new politicians are cheaters too site

Happy Thanksgiving Dudes. I have a different concern. How will this licence help me on the outer cape to cast from the beach through more than 6-8000seals and expect to land a fish,any fish without a seal grabbing it. I would like to have you think about a slow rabbit on a dog track and you can get an idea. I,m sure the clowns will have a clause in the licence in regard to competing against the poor seals and there right to assembly to desecrate all protein in a small area. Regardless of whether you fish or not how can anyone that has any concern for conservation allow this wipe out of all protein in an area without realizing that the seals need to be thinned out. notice i didn't say killed. Just a thought

10 for me......no big deal
10 for each of my grown kids......OK
10 for each of my kids' visiting friends from college who want to go fishing once...ugh
10 for the neighbor who would like to go out if the wind that am is not too much.........aaaaagh!

Will there be some kind of "take a friend fishing once" exemption? Or some kind of transferable multi-person option?

From Senate Bill, No.2200
(f) The director may designate not more than 2 days in each year as free recreational saltwater fishing days. A person may take saltwater finfish for noncommercial purposes on a free recreational saltwater fishing day without obtaining or possessing a permit or paying a permit fee as prescribed in this section; provided, however, that a person who takes saltwater finfish on a free recreational fishing day must comply with all laws, rules and regulations governing the holders of a recreational fishing permit and all other conditions and limitations regulating the taking of saltwater finfish.


read it all right here...
http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/senate/186/st02/st02200.htm

Old Goat...im sure they will incorporate a seal stamp which will require you to pay more in the following years since you may inadvertantly compete with the seals for the stripers and blues...seals have rights too you know..

I took the day off from work and protested against this at the DMF 100 sallinstall building Boston when Phil Coates was the man .. seems like 15 yrs. ago maybe more . I use to go to those meetings where they say Bio Mass a bunch of times ?? well here it is .. Its all BS in my opinion .. hail the almighty $$$ .. Its money swimming around ,,not fish ,, soon as the numbers are up, so is the pressure to hammer the fish . They paint the picture to whatever suits thier needs . $$$ Politics ... my 2 cents

No government has ever given anyone anything, governments are all about taking things and rights away from one group because another group makes a bigger noise. In this case, the only people who gain are the fish counters.
The only way to fight them is to organize, on the same page, write our representatives that's what they are you know, and vote, vote, vote. If they can't do our bidding or decide to represent other interests, then vote their arses out.
This license is just another fine example of our(the fisherman's) failure to do just that. It's so easy to call or e-mail your rep in Government. Didn't do it. You have to watch them closely, too. Sadly, time for bitching is over and time to pay up is here. It ain't gonna go back, but maybe we can keep increases reasonable.JMHO.

So Does your Drivers Licence cover you in say California?
Atleast with the federal licence, you would be good wherever you go.



Gary this statement is not correct. The Federal Rule clearly states the federal plan must be state by state.

Many of the questions being posed in this post have been answered on this board over the past year or two. Another great way to make sure you have good info is to check with your local fishing club.

Every one here complaining about $10 :rotf2:
From what could find out through Patrick my lic will be $125.00
And should I go on a friends boat who is rec or go surf fishing , I also need the $10 rec lic !

Its not the $10 Ron its the principle of A. Having to pay for the right to fish the salt and B. Wanting to be sure the money gets where it is supposed to go!

In RI, where I would imagine the same Federal policy exists as in Ma., if you have a Fed HMS permit you do not need a state license.
I won't be getting a license nor will I ask anyone fishing on my boat to get one. I'm registered as far as I know.

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http://www.fifthestateci.com/clients...t.Sheet.RI.pdf

This is the NOAA fact sheet!!!

It's only $10. If the money is used for what it is supposed to be used for then it is a good thing. I rather keep the money in state then have to pay for a federal permit @ $15-$25.....

Which is exactly what the nitwit RI Governor did..... defeated the RI license so we have to buy a federal permit in 2 years.

When my kids were young I would take them to the beach fishing crabbing ect ...ect... Money was short in them days and we would have fun for free!

There is nothing you can do free anymore and feel sorry for the people that are short cash, what are they going to do free now??

$10 gets us in the door wait till it goes up, up, up! Going to by access? YEA RIGHT!!
What we getting for are money?? More regulation!!
As far as saying there is nothing we can do, If no one pays what they going to do?? Put us all in jail??
We have become sheep, just follow them around, we need to all stand up, not just the few!! State or Feds if we ALL say NO they will listen!
We or I already pay tax and fees for a boat trailer truck, ramp fee's, were is all that cash going.

We pay for fresh water cause they raise the fish and stock the ponds, Are they going to stock Bass, Fluke, Sea Bass, Scup, Blues?? NO

I fish commercial and will do Scup & Sea Bass in April, Fluke in May & June & July, Bass July & Aug, Sea Bass & Scup in Aug. Spet & Oct Tuna

Nope no $$$ for Rec fishing!!:fury: