Plugfest is NOT a place to come and sell plugs or buy them, so if that is your intention, please stay home. If you only come to try to ho plugs from guys for nothing, well, you better bring something to trade or forget about it, nobody should be pressured into giving away a work of art which is what these plugs pretty much are. If guys want to hand out plugs that is up to them. It's about commraderie and learning and is supposed to be fun.

Thanks Slip .... for keeping it like the old days .. I always liked the obsessive basement dweller feel of Plugfest . I feared it being morphed into something eles.. I'm glad you made a post defining it .. I'm not against free enterprise .. plenty of other places for that though .

Thanks Slip .... for keeping it like the old days .. I always liked the obsessive basement dweller feel of Plugfest .

couldn't of said it better. Cellar Dwellers Club:uhuh:

So does that mean we are Morlocks and not Elois?

That would be a morlock on the right, chicks dig us,
I would like to thank Slip as well, a lot of those things needed to be brought up.

Plugfest is NOT a place to come and sell plugs or buy them, so if that is your intention, please stay home. If you only come to try to ho plugs from guys for nothing, well, you better bring something to trade or forget about it, nobody should be pressured into giving away a work of art which is what these plugs pretty much are. If guys want to hand out plugs that is up to them. It's about commraderie and learning and is supposed to be fun.

Thanks Slip .... for keeping it like the old days .. I always liked the obsessive basement dweller feel of Plugfest . I feared it being morphed into something eles.. I'm glad you made a post defining it .. I'm not against free enterprise .. plenty of other places for that though .


well said Mr Tagger....I wasn't part of the old days, but very much apprecieate the "basement dweller" mentality... My wife is going to join me this year.. just to see for herself that there are other fisherman/builders as dedicated ( she says insane) as I am .. I've told her she has no Idea....

Changing the rules abit?...in the begaining there were plugs to buy..I bought from habs..adam r....an a few others...also sold plugs..rods an parts.....you need to change the sentence saying "only sponsers of this site may sell" like mike cc-salty etc...folks want an need parts,kits,wood,molds,wire,cutting tips,jigs..etc. etc.

Changing the rules abit?...

I'm not sure there ever were any rules ... it was small.. Just builders and those interrested in starting building ..

selling, rules, or no rules, (or as i been told, we don't need no stinking rules!)

up front in open, under table, or out in parking lot...(lots of trips to cars...)

has been a part of it all along... last one I went to... 2-3 years ago... it was pretty wide open.. cash for all to see, with some...others like a "street deal" with the hand in pocket, ---> handshake/switch up... other guys hand in pocket.

it is, what it is... you either see it... don't see it, don't wanna see/believe it, or make like ya don't see it...

me.. I just give 'em away.....

if there's gonna be rules...they gotta be clear and enforced, and applicaple to all... altho...board sponsors, get the go ahead, only makes sense..... BUT.... that is only my opinion...and not up to me....just my 2 cents...and as Eddie will tell you, that ain't worth chit. :wave:

Anyways...Bruce is trying something here (Thanks Slip!)... it's his ballgame...let him run with it!
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Changing the rules abit?...in the begaining there were plugs to buy..I bought from habs..adam r....an a few others...also sold plugs..rods an parts.....you need to change the sentence saying "only sponsers of this site may sell" like mike cc-salty etc...folks want an need parts,kits,wood,molds,wire,cutting tips,jigs..etc. etc.

1. I thought it was understood since sponsors began selling supplies, that they were allowed to. My sentence does not include them.

2. rules? I try to hold a few sensible guidelines. I wish I could express myself in words as eloquently as Numbskull does, but I'll try my best. Sponsors pay to sponsor the site, JohnR owns the site. Here is a quote from a thread reflecting on last years fest, you could have easily searched and found it before bringing the issue up all over again like we seem to do year after year.
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A couple quick things in my mind - I'd like to go into more detail but I'm under the weather/cough medicine at the moment.

What we do/did right:


This is an event of peers. A community event for trading of knowledge and some wood to boot.
The competition is amazing and it does bring out some spectacular work, creativity, and some great humor. People are constantly raising the bar. A highly structured panel of experts, I think, would defeat the grass roots community feeling of Plug Fest.
The voting is done by one's peers. This is not Miss America or American Idol where a handful of people judge. It is the community that judges.
Selling: What Mike & Scott did was perfect. There was not supposed to be any other commercial selling, plugs or otherwise and I don't think anyone else had asked too.
Keep this a pretty much Grass Roots evet.


What we can do better:


Bigger space :tooth: - that would have been tough in the other hall too
Plan better. Yes, we can plan a bit better and perhaps earlier. The help was fantastic and a team effort, we can a little more help and a little earlier planning.
Document better within some classes of the competition. Maybe next year we have a "form" that people fill out on the classics, better explaining the job and intent. I noticed this was lacking when I was getting handed paper bag after paper bag.

Plugfest has always been about this great plug building community of people in the northeast (and beyond). Lets keep it what it is, a community event, and not over complicate it.

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I remember the old days Steve also, we like to still keep things loose and enjoyable but we also can't step on toes.
If there isn't supposed to be any plug selling, then I guess trading is the only way to go. make a deal with plugs for plugs, or plugs for parts or whatever works, have fun.
We're trying to keep it from becoming a free-for-all. there are plenty of shows to go to to buy plugs over the winter, we only have one plugfest per year. All builders are welcome, especially newcomers.


thanks guys , I try my best

The shows that plugs can be purchased at are very expensive for the vendors/builders, I wouldn't be suprised if they cost $500 or more for the booth space alone (That would be the cost for renting the space for displaying their product...lets say 10'X10'=$50 per square foot for one day). This cost prohibits many of the small high quality basement type builders that have a limited amount of plugs that they can sell.
Last year was my first and I didn't know any plugs could be purchased (read there would be NO SELLING ALLOWED) but did really appreciate Mikecc being there. I am not saying that there should be alot of comercial plugs available but building supplies and maybe some of the small builders might be ok.
I know if I could have bought some of the plugs I saw I would have. Also I am not real familiar with Plug Hoeing and I don't have enough confidence in my plugs to even think about it; and was saddened that I could not purchase some of the amazing plugs I saw and very much desired.

Bring a camera this year :)
and bring some plugs, I'm sure you'll find offers to make trades.