OK MarineTropical - I was not positive of this until now but you and, ahem "Plugger" ARE in collusion together to promote your product deceptively here on Striped-Bass. You are lying and being deceptive to everyone here that views this board. Your products may or may not be any good but your business ethics and the way you represent your product to the masses sucks.

In your e-mail you stated: "By the way I have done no spamming of any kind!!!". That is clearly a lie. And you were worrying about Internet Reputations, :doh: ... Your's just went: http://striped-bass.com/smilies/flush.gif here at S-B .

I have the same Mindspring IP address being used by you AND plugger. So either you are the same person or you are acting together in this pushing of product that You/Plugger deny. And I seriously doubt "Plugger" is sneaking into your house while you are asleep to use your computer. So consider yourself and your product PNG around here. If you wish to follow up you may do so but about the only thing that will fly might be an appology.

Here are pictures showing the same IPs used by you & Plugger - IF you are different people.

Randy - did you REALLY think we were that stupid?

MT http://www.striped-bass.com/images/mt/mtipmindspring2.gif

Plugger http://www.striped-bass.com/images/mt/pluggermindsping2.gif

Busted. :eek: :smash:

digital fingerprints.

the dna evidence is in.

I believe John called your bluff.:nailem: :fishslap:

And here I just welcomed the guy in... shame on me.

Actually, I just wanted to get in on that worst kid shows part of the thread since I have a certain expertise in that area.

I seem to miss all the fun stuff. I missed all the striper sniper stuff and now the marine tropic stuff.

I lead such a sheltered life.

IF THE GLOVE FITS.....you must not AQUIT :D

HMMMMMM!!!!!! Just as everyone suspected:af: And here i was giving him the benifit of doubt:af: Shame on me but it's just what I thought after reading everything that went on with the other Forum Boards. Bagged with your hand in the cookie jar!

Its too bad. A simple "hi how are you" would have gotten him in on the right foot. After that , I'm sure we'd have loved to hear about his rubber fishies .

Whoo Ahhh!

"Bus it"! ;)

It is shocking what people will do to make a buck. i won't ever buy them now and will tell others not to as well.

The Penetrator has been Penetrated.

:hang:

Good job Sherlock:D

Thanks for keeping an eye out for us John./:cool:

Maybe he's a bi-polar:jester:

John maybe you should get a guest appearance on the TV "CSI".

I will never buy that product!

Like I posted privately and now feel justified in posting openly after the cat is officially out of the bag.

I'm going to post this here, because I've tried to avoid added to the fire on this site or any of the others, but even as MT claims his innocence the product continues to be promotted. And the banner request from SOL is a lame excuse at best, crap I've got emails to Tim dating back over a year or more asking for the same, but you don't see me using that as an excuse to promote my product. When you use the "I've asked time and time again for a banner...blah...blah...blah approach, only to follow it up with...it's the best damn product and everyone on this board would benifit subtle (yeah) sales pitch, I'm sorry I'm not passing him any tissues soon.

bump

I bumped it up when I saw that MT was online and watched from the
"who's on line" boy he did not stay long:smash:

Busted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !:laughs:

#$%^ Him & the horse

:af: :af: :smash: :smash: :smash:

bye bye baby :D:smash:

JohnR, I stand by my case and I did not spam anyone!!! I didn't know it untill you brought it to my attention as I am not a computer wizard, and I never said you guys are stupid. Not knowing what is going on, and upset to say the least, I approached my two older kids and asked them if they screwing around on the computer. At first they denied and then my daughter finally told me the truth that she had named herself Plugger and was only trying to be nice and put a good word in for the product. I had told her that i was marketing the product and was excited about it. She by the way is 100 times more proficient at computers than me. She had seen me on the message boards and was curious to what I was saying on SOL. So my apologies to everyone. She is 14 years old and is she is a sweet heart and I guess she only wanted the best for her dad. When I asked her why did she start off "anyone heard of the penetrator" she replied that she saw it on SOL thread when I was on there at the time. So, thats the deal on that! So, I apologize on her behalf. Forgive me but I can't get upset with her as her intentions were meant to be well meaning.
I sent the samples out to you, and I hope you like them and I would still advertise on here as I am confident in my reputation and who I am as well as the product. When you get to know me and see me in person you will find that out. So, I don't want to hear that this is bull, etc etc it's the truth! Once again my apologies as I was as surprised as you were, but I don't know how to check IP addresses and all that and quite frankly I could care less about about computers anyway. I am a good person always have been always will be. Respectfully yours, MT

It's a shame all this went on, if the product is really as good as it's made out to be then it will sell itself. They do look like they will work. just a thought.

By the way, I never said anything bad about you guys or your products. If you look at other threads on other sites some of you guys made fun of the name of the product as well as try to put it down in a very subtle way. I HAVE NEVER EVER DONE THAT, EVEN WHEN IT WAS DONE TO ME OR MY PRODUCT! I looked at the threads and shook my head. I emailed JohnR and Tim before any of this stuff happened. You never see me even put my web site address on the boards, except for maybe one time on SOL and I say maybe as I don't recall. As far as Spamming never did that either, but I did send some emails out to some tackle shops to promote the penetrator. Theres nothing wrong with that as the tackle shops have been purchasing and are very, very happy tohave the penetrator in there shop. Respectively yours, MT

My personal experience here on S-B has been that respect is earned over time, not bought, nor awarded. Those that have earned it here have spent the time and their history proves that out. Time will tell. Most don't carry grudges here when a positive history can tell the tale.

Let's let this thread end here.

MT - I'm sorry but I don't buy it. I don't buy that your 14 year old daughter, loggin in as "Plugger", buying things from the Goose, chasing weaks, knowing the VMC hooks, talking the talk, just doesn't add up. If it truly was your daughter take great pride in the fact that she's one in a million carrying herself in a far better manner than 99.2% of her age bracket.

Just too many coinkydinks here, the data that I can see clearly shows you and "plugger" typing from the same house, the threads here have followed almost identically the path that SOL and SS have run. Nahhh, I'm not convinced...

I'm not going to pitch or trash your product as I've never fished them, if you've sent them already I'll probably donate them to a club or something for a prize. But at this point I can't possibly see how I would have you sponsor on this site, regardless of how effective or ineffective your product is.

I truly feel we have been misled here and elsewhere.

Good day...

Sorry MT
But I for one don't believe a word your saying. You see I think you did it on other forms also you see there are guys that registered on each of the boards just when these threads were started & just for your lure that Miraculously appeared JUST for your thread and have never posted again. These guys slammed me and for no reason so I did some checking and I think you are one in the same. I ran the profiles on a few and here are a few results.






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Sorry But it’s to easy

he's gotta be a yankee fan!!!1:eek: :ss:

JohnR Well, you don't have to quote "BUY IT" My kids have been to goose hummock and my kids know about the product because they fish with me. What my kids don't know is that there are no weak fish at the cape. I already explained to them how the penetrator is made. You can donate them. i'm sure whoever gets them will be very happy. But, since you keep judging me and criticizing me, let me point out some things that i know your members of the message boards will find very interesting. First off "One should look at the perfomances of oneself first, before they look at the performances of others" For example:
1) I emailed you and it took you over a week to respond, saying you need to try out the product and that the site is comprised of mostly friends and family, I obliged and sent you samples, even though I emailed you saying I was kind of appalled on what was being said on your message boards. you said don't worry Randy things like this blow over, but you seem to be adding to the flames.
2) I have advertised in fishing shows were booths cost as much as 800 and up!
3) I have advertise on the internet and continue to do so and have offered to support and advertise on your site!
4) Other than Tim on SOL who is loadiing software and asked me to wait, no other site, fishing show, TV personalities, has had any problem with me advertising with them, Except you JOHN!

Now why is that? Is it:
!) You don't want me to advertise with your site.
2) Is it because I am not from cape cod and I am from "Noo Yawk" Nice! from fishingweewee the "former" New yorker
3) Is it because you have something to protect that is, other advertisers who seek not to have me on here and you are being pressured by them.
4) Afraid of betraying people (and you know who I mean) who are on the phone with you bad mouthing me! For absolutely no reason. Hmmm I wonder who that could be?

All because, you feel or take someone's opinion of what happened. Or your Quote "research" into so called IP addresses I told you the truth, I am a man of my word.

Now, I ask you. Why is it that you and only you have given me a hard time, when not one, of many people I advertise with had any problem what so ever talking to me on the phone, emailing me, complimenting the product. Just you JohnR

Something for your upstanding members to think about!

There is something more behind this than meets the eye.

What ever happened to the answer to my first email to you?
Whatever happened to "Randy, welcome aboard we would love to have you sponsor here at striped-bass.

You already knew the penetrator is sold at goose hummock and river head.

You know they wouldn't carry a crappy product!

BUT, You had to try it out anyway.

Even knowing that goose hummock and river head are two well respected tackle shops and carry the product. BUT, I say it again You had to try it out anyway.

I wonder why? Now I know why. Sincerely MT

Mikecc, I wouldn't even go there if i were you, if I posted what you have said on other site's it would be three pages long. You have no problem posting your product on other site's. You don't even support other site's with anyform of advertising. I know you have a nice product. Never said anything bad about your product. But, If one were to look at what you said on other site about my product, one would see that you were knocking both the name of the product and the product itself! To blatantly just come on a message board in the manner in which you have I would say that is "SPAMMING" You are quick to judge others and you need to take a good look at yourself. Now, we can all either go out for a drink, fish and have fun. Or keep going on and on and on and on. I prefer going out having fun together fish and maybe have a few drinks, although I have to admit I am not much of a drinker. MT

MT
I do sponsor other boards & I am a long time memder of a lot of them.

On SS
I Offered Bait Boy Custom Rods free of charge and all his tackle and reels at cost when he lost his house.

I do put links up on other sites and no where does it say that I sell the product and they are just links to manafactures web sites.
The links on SS to my site were put up by BOB D himself & sence he ownes the site I think thats ok.
You see I would rather see a person have a good time fishing and if I don't have the product I will tell them who does even if it means loosing the sale, and if there is a product cheeper or just as good I will let the customer know so all he can have options.

MT, MT, MT,........ There you go again. You still manage to squeeze in the name of a couple shops selling your product, don't you. You're really not helping yourself here! :doh: Seems like you just can't stop yourself from doing it can you? If your product is as good as you say it is, just put it out there and it will sell itself! I ain't buying your story either. Too many coincidental multiple user names with the same IP address. Those "Plugs" were not posted by a 14 year old. Sorry but you should be :blush:

If it looks like a DUCK, walks like a DUCK, then it must be a DUCK, so therefore shoot the duck and eat dinner :D

For the record I don't believe it either, why would a 14 year old go on a fishing site and try to advertise her daddies stuff. I seen that comin a mile away.

Hey John, why don't you just delete him from the club and end this post:wavey: :wave: Bye Bye. its been real but not real fun!

John, Go getum':behead: :gorez: :hang: :rocketem: :wavey:

Originally posted by marinetropical
JohnR

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2) Is it because I am not from cape cod and I am from "Noo Yawk" Nice! from fishingweewee the "former" New yorker

You already knew the penetrator is sold at goose hummock and river head.

You know they wouldn't carry a crappy product!

BUT, You had to try it out anyway.

Even knowing that goose hummock and are two well respected tackle

G the goose has bone heads there and are a Joke what do U want for Min wage anyway.....

Crappy product, How about those bronze hooks in the lead and the Idiot at goose says " so they wear out and Buy more" or some thing like that.

leave My Wee Wee alone.
He aint from the Cape , I am and I hate NY and there arshole ways of pulling crap on the suds here, most of them.
We get pummeled here and it Burns My arse to listen to this crap
later
BTW ledge runner bait are better

MT,
Don't go away mad......Just go away :smash:

You know MT as youv'e noticed I've deliberately stayed out of this on other boards, because I wasn't going to be pulled into some cheezey advertising debate over "big rubber". I've bit my tongue on SOL watching the BS as you whine about your banner plight, even though my requests probably pre-date yours, all the while you continued tooting your product on every post. If I played your tactics, I'd have posted and boasted that Tim just sent me a nice check for 100 of my 13 and 9 inch Mega and Big jerks in his favorite black shad color, but I don't advertise like you. I continued to bite my tongue as your cronnies bashed my product, even without personal experience, just based on looks alone. Still, I basically keep quiet, because my product speaks for itself; something you clearly aren't patient enough to allow happen for yourself.

You've hit a little too close to home now, as I consider these folks my friends and you've got some nerve trying to turn this spam/scam of yours on them. John has a great Board. He has gone out of his way and at great expense in personal time and expense to keep it up for everyone. He's got a wife, family and commutes to Boston from RI to work, so if you complain about not getting a response, consider that a busy man like John would prioritize who he should be getting back to. I'd have clearly put you at the bottom of that list, makes perfect sense to me.

Mike at M&D is the best, he's donated product, time, space at his place for numerous outtings so people at this board could learn and grow as fishers. You've got some fricken nerve trying to turn this around and your on the wrong fricken board if you think anyones going to buy that one.

Maybe you should take a look at the turn most of these penetrator threads have taken on these boards, I think that most have come to realize just exactly what this is; cheezy, low ball, flim-flam man type advertizing.

If your products so good, I suggest you let the product speak for itself and back way off, because I'd guess you've about worn out what little welcome you had here.

Whot's a fricken? is that kinda like a RUBBER chicken?

JohnR Well, you don't have to quote "BUY IT" My kids have been to goose hummock and my kids know about the product because they fish with me. What my kids don't know is that there are no weak fish at the cape. I already explained to them how the penetrator is made. – You’re right, I don’t have to buy it. This hasn’t added up since this whole thing started and the more and more I see, it’s never going to add up.

Here is the nickel version of how this has gone:

You shoot an e-mail to someone running a board talking about your revolutionary product, then all of the sudden someone registers and their first post is asking if anyone has tried these. Then 1/3rd of the way into the thread, the first poster is now an expert and on other sites another person has registered and talked up the product…. No soft sell here is there bub. Other’s catch on (we’ve actually seen this before once or fifty times) and throw it back at the “new posters” and you come online or via e-mail and disavow all knowledge that you’re involved.

Is that how it works? Seems to me. So no, I don’t buy it. I truly hope you have an awesome daughter, a great kid. I have a son that’s 2 and this has been great. I wish great kids on people, much worse things can happen in life – however I don’t think that your daughter had anything to do with this. I think this is all you or you and your partner.


You can donate them. i'm sure whoever gets them will be very happy. But, since you keep judging me and criticizing me, let me point out some things that i know your members of the message boards will find very interesting. First off "One should look at the perfomances of oneself first, before they look at the performances of others" For example:
1) I emailed you and it took you over a week to respond, saying you need to try out the product and that the site is comprised of mostly friends and family, I obliged and sent you samples, even though I emailed you saying I was kind of appalled on what was being said on your message boards. you said don't worry Randy things like this blow over, but you seem to be adding to the flames.

Randy – here’s the short version. The S-B community is not your typical business. This community chugs along and we do what we can to keep the lights on and what little is left over might kick into my fishing kitty. Hasn’t usually worked out that way but it’s a hope to kick a couple bucks in for fishing. My REAL job, the one that feeds, shelters, and clothes my family is an IT position in Boston. S-B is something I WANT to do and has been very rewarding – and not because of $$. As for advertising, my policy is and has always been that I’ll allow advertisers that I know, have used, someone who’s opinion I trust have used, or sensational reputation that I know of – not what you as the owner tell me. You meet none of these requirements of mine so the only way I would consider you - which up until recently was still possible after a test drive of your product (if you sent it, it’s still at the PO Box as I haven’t been there since last Saturday and I won’t get there until Wed at the earliest – if you really need to know).

2) I have advertised in fishing shows were booths cost as much as 800 and up! I’m impressed – most I’ve been able to spend for advertising is $100.

3) I have advertise on the internet and continue to do so and have offered to support and advertise on your site! – I understand that but I had not determined if you or your product would be allowed to advertise here. That’s my call, not yours. I think you assumed the sale providing the ad fees were in line.

4) Other than Tim on SOL who is loadiing software and asked me to wait, no other site, fishing show, TV personalities, has had any problem with me advertising with them, Except you JOHN! – I’m not everybody else. I am looking for advertisers but they need to meet specific criteria of the site. We want the right mix of advertisers here without having too many. Nobody here wants a place that has 47 windows pop up with annoying ads or the constant pitch… We try to run a little lower key here. I’ve had to turn people down from advertising here that seemed like nice people, had good products, but would oversaturate a particular niche or area. I don’t want 12 tackle shops in Mass advertising, I don’t want 10 plug manufactureres or 10 soft plastics guys. I want a few plug guys, a few tackle guys over a larger area, yes – maybe even a couple plastics guys if it’s the right products and the right fit – this is obviously not the right fit.

Now why is that? Is it:
!) You don't want me to advertise with your site. Read above
2) Is it because I am not from cape cod and I am from "Noo Yawk" Nice! from fishingweewee the "former" New yorker. Nahh – I don’t know where you think I’m on the Cape but I’m in Rhody… The only thing that I hate about NY is the Yankees & Jets – I even kinda sorta like the Giants :D . Dude – you might have issues
3) Is it because you have something to protect that is, other advertisers who seek not to have me on here and you are being pressured by them. No – these guys don’t pay me enough to not be able to consider others.

4) Afraid of betraying people (and you know who I mean) who are on the phone with you bad mouthing me! For absolutely no reason. Hmmm I wonder who that could be?

You really believe that you are the wronged party here? Unstinkin’believable. Nope, no collusion here. Unless you call being friendly with them for a couple / few years. But we’re a community – a group that for the most part gets along and supports each other. We're not a closed community, many people get involved. You could have too – regardless of what you sell – but that can’t happen now can it? Oh, and they weren’t calling every 5 minutes…

All because, you feel or take someone's opinion of what happened. Or your Quote "research" into so called IP addresses I told you the truth, I am a man of my word.

The data tells me only so much. The rest of the story between here SS and SOL points another way. I personally can’t take your word on this.

Now, I ask you. Why is it that you and only you have given me a hard time, when not one, of many people I advertise with had any problem what so ever talking to me on the phone, emailing me, complimenting the product. Just you JohnR. Again – I’m not anyone else so I can’t speak for them. I did my own analysis and came to my own conclusions. I reasonably feel that some of the other sites owners may have come to a similar position had they had the luxury of seeing these threads and e-mails and access logs unfold the way I have.
I hadn’t seen your product so how can I compliment?

Something for your upstanding members to think about! – They can draw their own conclusions. I have no reservations about that.

There is something more behind this than meets the eye. Absolutely, I told you a week ago that I felt you weren’t being entirely truthful with me but I wanted to give you the benefit of doubt. Since then you have proved otherwise.

What ever happened to the answer to my first email to you?
Whatever happened to "Randy, welcome aboard we would love to have you sponsor here at striped-bass. – I don’t know what happened to that e-mail. I’m downloading my work e-mails to see where that is… I know I didn’t send it from home. This is what I have for that first e-mail:
-----Original Message-----
From: Marinetropical@aol.com [mailto:Marinetropical@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 6:42 PM
To: john@striped-bass.com
Subject: to whom it may concern


Do you have any information on advertising a banner on your site. The
rates, number of hit, views, etc. Thanks, Randy and reply:
From: John R [mailto:john@striped-bass.com]
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 7:43 PM
To: 'Marinetropical@aol.com'
Subject: RE: to whom it may concern


Randy,

Good evening, my name is John Rxxxx and I run Striped-Bass.com. We can
discuss ad rates and traffic stats shortly (we get plenty of daily visitors
and hits :) ) but first, who do you represent? What do you offer? I'm a bit
selective on site sponsors as I want to make certain our members are doing
business with good shops & companies & products. Do you have a website so I
can check out your products?

Thanks,

John Redmond

You already knew the penetrator is sold at goose hummock and river head. – You told ne that – I haven’t been to Goose in 2 years and where is Riverhead? The only reason I know they are at GH is that here and on SS someone spammed it for you. ‘Course with these name drops from you and your partner(s) – everyone else does too :rollem:

You know they wouldn't carry a crappy product! – No, I don’t know that. I would hope not. But I’ve only been in there a few times. I’m usually further towards Truro…

BUT, You had to try it out anyway. – Try your product? Before you advertise here? Yes – I do. Absolutely

Even knowing that goose hummock and river head are two well respected tackle shops and carry the product. BUT, I say it again You had to try it out anyway. – That’s correct – actually, I would try it and I would have a couple other people try it as well. It may be a top notch product or it may be lousy – and as of yesterday it will not be advertised here. Nice continual product pitch. Very Bartlettesque :laughs:

I wonder why? Now I know why. Sincerely MT – I doubt it MT – I doubt you know why and I doubt you are sincere. All I can see here from e-mails and these threads that there is very little you understand nor are willing to do so. When I said I would consider your product, I meant it. When I said I would need to try it (and others) to make up my mind – I meant it.

So now we seem to be going in circles. I think you have tried to deceive me and the members here. That’s uncool. I also really think you should not continue to push your product here as it violates the registration agreement. You have done nothing to convince me that you were not intending to generete some free buzz followed by some advertising bucks...

Again – Good Day. Now after 2 hours of reading & responding to this drivel, I’ll finally spend some time with my son… Thanks for ruining a good morning.