Happy New Year - Get your %%#%^@ License.

With all the license passings going on, if you decide to go and get that New Year fish. You will need your ^^#^%@* LICENSE.

For Mass and RI in 2010, that means the federal registry: Marine Recreational Information Program (http://www.countmyfish.noaa.gov/)

Of Course, you can't get that yet because the registry portion of the site is not yet live.

Again, Happy %^%#&@# New Year.

John. Does that mean that we MUST register in Mass. this year? I thought it was next year for us.

Thanks

If you plan on smelt fishing in NH you will need the licence. I'm pretty sure it is the same in Maine.

John. Does that mean that we MUST register in Mass. this year? I thought it was next year for us.

Thanks

Hi Bob, yes. Here is the info from the Mass site (http://www.mass.gov/dfwele/dmf/recreationalfishing/rec_license.htm#license):

Recreational Saltwater Permit Comes to Massachusetts - Register federally in 2010, but purchase state permit in 2011.
New federal law [Magnuson-Stevens Act Reauthorization of 2006 (http://www.mass.gov/dfwele/dmf/recreationalfishing/msa_registry_language.pdf), Saltwater Angler Registry Final Rule (http://www.st.nmfs.noaa.gov/mrip/aboutus/organization/downloads/Saltwater_Angler_Registry_Final_Rule.pdf) - NOAA Fisheries] requires most saltwater recreational fishermen to be documented in 2010. Massachusetts fishermen will be required to register with the National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS). However, recently enacted state law, “An Act Instituting Saltwater Fishing Licenses” (http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/house/186/ht04pdf/ht04309.pdf), enables MarineFisheries to build and implement a permitting program for 2011 and beyond that will exempt the Commonwealth’s saltwater recreational anglers from the federal registry. The new state law triggers a transition from the federal registry in 2010 to the state’s marine recreational fishing permit program in 2011.

As I read it (for MA), if you register for a pelagic permit to hunt tuna (rec or comm) you are not required to also register for the general permit?

All of us in RI can thank our Governor Don Chooch for this..:mad:

Had the RI License bill gone thru - which he vetoed - it would have been a $7 license with reciprocal agreements with our neighboring states of MA, CT and NY, as I understand it

As it stands now, my understanding is that there is no reciprocity - if I'm mistaken, please correct me

I can't understand this one with a friggin' program...:doh:

Personally, I can't wait for Linc Chafee to announce his candidacy for governor so I can lend him a hand - hopefully he'll continue the concern for the fishery that his father, the late Senator John Chafee, started

Will this be enforced by federal marshalls when you go near the shore?

If so, will they confiscate your kid's beach pail when there out collecting periwinkles, starfish, sandcrabs and bubbleweed at the beach?

And what will become of all those white buckets? Will they get confiscated too?

any word for how much the fine will be for fishing without a license?

What is the penalty for not registering??? Really I mean...are they giving you a piece of paper to carry around that states you are registered?? Why bother??!!!:smash:

All of us in RI can thank our Governor Don Chooch for this..:mad:

Had the RI License bill gone thru - which he vetoed - it would have been a $7 license with reciprocal agreements with our neighboring states of MA, CT and NY, as I understand it

As it stands now, my understanding is that there is no reciprocity - if I'm mistaken, please correct me

I can't understand this one with a friggin' program...:doh:

Personally, I can't wait for Linc Chafee to announce his candidacy for governor so I can lend him a hand - hopefully he'll continue the concern for the fishery that his father, the late Senator John Chafee, started

i can't find out why he vetoed it, 'cept for that moron citing that ri landers have the right to fish ????????

i can't find out why he vetoed it, 'cept for that moron citing that ri landers have the right to fish ????????

publicity stunt.

Will this be enforced by federal marshalls when you go near the shore?

If so, will they confiscate your kid's beach pail when there out collecting periwinkles, starfish, sandcrabs and bubbleweed at the beach?

And what will become of all those white buckets? Will they get confiscated too?


It's not going to be enforced, that's my guess. It's for informational purposes, mainly, and the Feds aren't about to spend enforcement money when there's no revenue coming in. If I have a chance, I'll ask some Mass EPOs whether they have any directives to enforce.

I still don't even know whether the feds will give you any documentation as proof of registration (eg, an on-line print out).

And in any event, you can bet your bottom dollar ain't gonna be no one out there enforcing it until May at the earliest ;)

It's not going to be enforced, that's my guess. It's for informational purposes, mainly, and the Feds aren't about to spend enforcement money when there's no revenue coming in. If I have a chance, I'll ask some Mass EPOs whether they have any directives to enforce.

I still don't even know whether the feds will give you any documentation as proof of registration (eg, an on-line print out).

And in any event, you can bet your bottom dollar ain't gonna be no one out there enforcing it until May at the earliest ;)

no one will be enforcing anything where i fish... unless they want to walk down the beach a mile from the nearest entrance and then swim out to greet me :buds:

Nebe is right... The license would be clean, but certainly not dry!!http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/images/icons/icon12.gif

What is the penalty for not registering??? Really I mean...are they giving you a piece of paper to carry around that states you are registered?? Why bother??!!!:smash:


Larry these people all used to work at Dunks.............:wall:

I sent a e-mail asking where my $10.00 will go in 2011
I will let you know when I hear ...lol

Hey John, Has anyone been able to get a straight answer out of any of these idiots yet or is this all a PETA deal to back door fishing restrictions makin answers impossible an fishing the same Ron

The following article appeared in Tom Meade's Outdoor Notes column in the Sunday ProJo a couple of weeks ago.

Quoted in the article is George Allen, a member and officer of our club, the Newport County Saltwater Fishing Club as well as RISAA and a member of the advisory boards of both ASMFC and RIMFC and George addressed this issue at our December meeting.

The way it stands now, RI fishermen who cross the border to fish will have to obtain a NONRESIDENT license from those states, which is $60 in CT, $15 in NY and as yet undetermined in MA, last I heard.

RI is under a Joint Enforcement Agreement with the Feds and has accepted grants and funding which will commit RI DEM EPO's to assisting in enforcement.

The USCG will be enforcing as well. If you fished BI by boat last year you undoubtedly saw the Coasties patrolling the Zone. If you were boarded for a boat safety check last season - or know someone who was - be sure you are carrying a license in 2010 if the USCG comes alongside and you have bass in your fishbox.

What could have been the best possible outcome of an attempt to gather information to give us better data on the real health of the SB fishery with a State license has been turned into something that is FUBAR by Governor Chooch using the Fisherman's Rights of the RI Constitution as the basis for his veto.

Those rights, first granted to the colonists of RI by King Charles in 1663 and the basis of that section of our state Constitution, guarantee ACCESS to the shore for fishermen, NOT freedom from regulation.

Way to go, Guv...:fishslap:



Outdoor Notes: Lack of saltwater fishing license to hurt R.I. anglers

Sunday, December 20, 2009

Members of Rhode Island’s largest recreational fishing group are expressing their disappointment over Gov. Carcieri’s killing a $7 saltwater fishing license.

Three members of the Rhode Island Saltwater Anglers Association — which represents 6,500 anglers — have written critical articles in the group’s most recent newsletter, edited by RISAA’s president, Steve Medeiros.

Medeiros was a key figure in drafting legislation that would have established a $7 annual license that would have been accepted in the waters of neighboring Massachusetts, Connecticut and New York — all of which will have their own saltwater licenses in place next season.

“I think most of us have heard the phrases ‘stabbed in the back,’ ‘blind-sided,’ or, as Steve Medeiros put it, ‘kicked in the gut,’ ” said George Allen, a longtime advocate for saltwater fisheries and chairman of RISAA’s legislative committee.”

During his second term, President George W. Bush, a recreational fisherman himself, signed federal legislation requiring fisheries managers to collect solid, scientific information about recreational fishing before regulators established new fishing rules. The National Marine Fisheries Service asked coastal states to establish angler registries so scientists could telephone anglers and speak to fishermen directly.

Coastal states that did not have saltwater fishing licenses established them. New York and the New England states agreed to honor one another’s licenses.

Now that Gov. Carcieri has vetoed a $7 state license, Rhode Island fishermen will have to obtain a federal license, but it will not be honored in neighboring states, said Mike Bucko, a Tiverton resident who owns a tackle store in Fall River. A member of RISAA and federal and local fishing-advisory groups, he said a Rhode Island fisherman who also fishes in neighboring states and New Hampshire will have to pay $115 or more for licenses beginning in 2011, when the federal government starts charging $15 to $20 for a federal permit.

Bucko said the governor’s veto “will also hurt Rhode Island tackle shops because confusion will turn a lot away from fishing.”

“Rhode Islanders and fishermen have not come out on top on this [issue],” said RISAA member Dave Monti. “I say the veto on the fishing license bill in Rhode Island was a bad decision.”

Mike Bucko is just flat out wrong. All a RI resident will need to fish in CT or NY this year is a $15 NY non-resident license, because a CT license is good in NY, and a NY license is good in CT. Next year, you can buy a $10 non-resident Mass license and fish all over the Northeast, as every state will recognize a Mass license. It will NOT cost Rhody anglers $115 to fish in every state next year.

Buy a NY license online, and you're good for CT and you also will NOT have to register with the Feds. If they board you in RI, you show them a NY non-resident license and you're in compliance with the law even if you're not registered with the Feds.

Next year, if Gov. Chooch is still grandstanding, buy a Mass non-resident license. I understand that the fee is $10 across the board, resident and non-resident alike.

I dunno, Mike, reminds me of the Swede who comes to America and gets frustrated trying to learn English: "Yust when I learn to say yam they change it to yelly"...:hs:

I think I'm gonna need to put you on retainer if I ever leave little Rhody - which is starting to look less likely

Yeah, I remember the god old days back in 2009 when I could just get in my Jeep with my gear and fish anywhere I wanted to...:smokin:

I just registered and it takes about 2 minutes and you can print your license card online.

I just registered and it takes about 2 minutes and you can print your license card online.


Worked for you. Not accepting my zip code. I tried several different web browsers and the site is not accepting my zip code. Deselecting additional states did not make a difference. This was also happening early this morning when I wanted to see if it would work.
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Its my understanding if you have a liscense from ANY state that currently has its own program you will not need to register.At least that's what I interpet from the questionaire "Do I need to Register?"

I got a question also.

If you're selected to participate in one of the surveys are you required to take it?

I guess I'm not the only one who can't register because it wont accept the City of Brocktons zip code:smash:

Fix the registration page

What a bunch of hooie:smash:

On a more positive note, I did call in (took about 1/2 hour before a " live operator" answered) and got my entire family registered.

what a pita

Worked for you. Not accepting my zip code. I tried several different web browsers and the site is not accepting my zip code. Deselecting additional states did not make a difference. This was also happening early this morning when I wanted to see if it would work.
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John,
Type in all zero's for your zip. When you submit it will correct itself and give you the right zip.

John,
Type in all zero's for your zip. When you submit it will correct itself and give you the right zip.


That worked perfectly and automatically provided the correct ZIP code on the output form :btu: . Err, umm, license :yak5:

I guess I'm not the only one who can't register because it wont accept the City of Brocktons zip code

I had no problems, took about 2 min and it did take Brockton's ZIP......

I had no problems, took about 2 min and it did take Brockton's ZIP......

Hmm, interesting



I did get conformation e-mails so I guess we are all registered :jump1:

No feeTrojan horse, 25 million salt water recreational fishermen, just give it
a few years before $$$$.

Its my understanding if you have a liscense from ANY state that currently has its own program you will not need to register.At least that's what I interpet from the questionaire "Do I need to Register?"

That's correct. The only purpose of the registry is to count noses--put a number on the recreational fishing population. Which is why most if not all states are granting license reciprocity--they only want everyone to be counted once. Once you have a license, the state that issued it will presumably send the requested data to NOAA.

I'm still 20 steps behind you guys... seeing as I am still having a hard time swallowing the fact that someone is now "allowing" me to cast a line into the unstocked ocean, charging me a TAX to do so, and then spending my money nowhere near the ocean!!! Honestly not sure how I am going to proceed...

John,
Type in all zero's for your zip. When you submit it will correct itself and give you the right zip.

Thanks Tex. I was just about to post that as I just got online.

No feeTrojan horse, 25 million salt water recreational fishermen, just give it
a few years before $$$$.

So I understand everyone's anti-license sentiments. I am with you but if you think by not getting one you will further you cause you are mistaken. The Feds are gonna do this whether you participate this year, next year or 40 years from now.
Sometime in the future they will start charging us a fee. It's gonna happen and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. Protest all you want, the *astards will surely win.

As for my .02, I just registered so I don't get boarded by some zealous Fed this Spring and have my day ruined.

publicity stunt.

Eben - my car needs washing ... can you recommend any for me please? :drool:

Mike Bucko is just flat out wrong. All a RI resident will need to fish in CT or NY this year is a $15 NY non-resident license, because a CT license is good in NY, and a NY license is good in CT. Next year, you can buy a $10 non-resident Mass license and fish all over the Northeast, as every state will recognize a Mass license. It will NOT cost Rhody anglers $115 to fish in every state next year.

Buy a NY license online, and you're good for CT and you also will NOT have to register with the Feds. If they board you in RI, you show them a NY non-resident license and you're in compliance with the law even if you're not registered with the Feds.

Next year, if Gov. Chooch is still grandstanding, buy a Mass non-resident license. I understand that the fee is $10 across the board, resident and non-resident alike.


... So what you are saying for those of us up here in Mass, but we also like to fish RI/CT/NY ... that we get a CT nonresident license and then we are covered for those three states?

Reason I ask is that my parents live in Stonington, and for years I have fished the Watch Hill Reefs and Fisher's Island regions - in essence fishing three states by boat in a very short time frame ... although CT is way inside of the two in that area ... but it would be expensive to have to pay for more than one out of state license to fish there ... $60 for CT non-resident is expensive enough ...

That's correct. The only purpose of the registry is to count noses--put a number on the recreational fishing population. Which is why most if not all states are granting license reciprocity--they only want everyone to be counted once. Once you have a license, the state that issued it will presumably send the requested data to NOAA.


Then why the hell are paying for a license next year, if this is free why can't it be like this always..

So I understand everyone's anti-license sentiments. I am with you but if you think by not getting one you will further you cause you are mistaken. The Feds are gonna do this whether you participate this year, next year or 40 years from now.
Sometime in the future they will start charging us a fee. It's gonna happen and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. Protest all you want, the *astards will surely win.

As for my .02, I just registered so I don't get boarded by some zealous Fed this Spring and have my day ruined.

Paul, I agree, but with 25 million saltwater fishermen a few more
"I Fish--I Vote" bumper stickers wouldn't hurt.

Mike Bucko is just flat out wrong. All a RI resident will need to fish in CT or NY this year is a $15 NY non-resident license, because a CT license is good in NY, and a NY license is good in CT. Next year, you can buy a $10 non-resident Mass license and fish all over the Northeast, as every state will recognize a Mass license. It will NOT cost Rhody anglers $115 to fish in every state next year.

Buy a NY license online, and you're good for CT and you also will NOT have to register with the Feds. If they board you in RI, you show them a NY non-resident license and you're in compliance with the law even if you're not registered with the Feds.

Next year, if Gov. Chooch is still grandstanding, buy a Mass non-resident license. I understand that the fee is $10 across the board, resident and non-resident alike.

wrong. Reciprocity is granted to you in a non resident state only if you are licensed in your resident state. It works like the credit for taxes paid to another state.

You don't get to choose your resident state.

wrong. Reciprocity is granted to you in a non resident state only if you are licensed in your resident state. It works like the credit for taxes paid to another state.

You don't get to choose your resident state.

stcroixman, I was thinking about this myself. It would seem the intent of the reciprocity would only be granted if you are licensed in your home state; but I have not come across anything indicating that you have to be licensed in your home state to enjoy reciprocity. I live in CT and was going to bypass purchasing the CT resident license and purchase a NY Non-resident license to cover myself for NJ, NY, CT, RI and MA. Where are you finding information stating that you have to be licensed in your home state?

it's common sense first, but peruse any of the states laws that have passed.
You can't pick and choose and a Ct NR license is not going to get you NY reciprocity when you have a RI drivers License for an ID.

go to msba.net follow to noaa and reg.their it took my zip code mine start with 0****

I just registered and it takes about 2 minutes and you can print your license card online.

I just did the same, even though I hold a pelagic tuna permit...pretty easy.

I just did the same, even though I hold a pelagic tuna permit...pretty easy.

I've got both also! Did you get a confirmatory e-mail from the saltwater registry? I didn't but I printed out the registration card as proof.

I've got both also! Did you get a confirmatory e-mail from the saltwater registry? I didn't but I printed out the registration card as proof.


I printed mine out a s well, I did it from work at lunch time but used my home e-mail, so I dont know if it was confirmed...

wrong. Reciprocity is granted to you in a non resident state only if you are licensed in your resident state. It works like the credit for taxes paid to another state.

You don't get to choose your resident state.

Point me to the applicable language that says only a resident holding an out-of-state licese will be granted reciprocity.

From the CT DEP website:

What is a reciprocal license privilege? (Is there reciprocity with any other states?)

Connecticut law allows non-resident anglers who hold a marine waters fishing license in New York, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, New Hampshire or Maine to fish in the marine district and land marine fish in this state without a Connecticut license provided the state issuing the marine license affords the same privilege to resident Connecticut marine license holders.

From the language of the NH license bill--it's limited reciprocity but nothing in the legislation says you have to have a Mass or Maine resident license.


(c) A nonresident holding a valid recreational saltwater license or a for-hire charter or party boat saltwater license from Maine or Massachusetts, shall be allowed to take, possess, or transport finfish from New Hampshire coastal and estuarine waters, provided that the state in which such person purchased a recreational saltwater license or in which the for-hire vessel is registered allows an angler with a New Hampshire recreational saltwater license or a saltwater for-hire vessel with a for-hire license from New Hampshire to recreationally take, possess, or transport finfish in that state’s coastal and estuarine waters.