We all know how I feel, but looks like I am not alone. This is HUGE.
I am not in favor of his policies but I expected more. So far, we've seen nothing new, no new solutions, NOTHING young or hip, no great ideas...... you were fed a bunch of crap and bought it

Forty-eight percent of people questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey said Obama's presidency has been a failure so far, while 47 percent of respondents said the year has been a success.

The survey indicated that Obama's approval rating as president stands at 51 percent, down 3 points from last month, with 48 percent disapproving, up 4 points from December.

"Only 44 percent approve of how Obama is handling the economy; just four in 10 give him a thumbs-up on health care, and his approval rating on the federal deficit has plunged to 36 percent. Those are three of the four most important issues on the public's mind today," Holland said
"The president's ratings also suffer from the growing perception that he is too liberal," he said: Forty-six percent feel that way today, up 10 points from March
The president's 51 percent approval rating is nearly twice as high as the approval rating for Congress. As the House of Representatives comes back into session Tuesday, only 27 percent of Americans have a favorable view of legislators.

Wait a minute....

You don't like Obama? New to me.:huh:

Name anyone, who could do anything different and not have similar results????
If we only knew the future we'd all be retired and wealthy, living in brazil.

Name anyone, who could do anything different and not have similar results????
If we only knew the future we'd all be retired and wealthy, living in brazil.


Sorry, no Anaconda is going to have me for lunch. :rotf2:

Name anyone, who could do anything different and not have similar results????
If we only knew the future we'd all be retired and wealthy, living in brazil.


Are you F***ing serious ???
Not "Everyone" would have mortgage the next 3-4 generations futures with the INSANE spending/wasting $ that your POS president has been doing !

How could 48% say he's failed while he has a 51% approval?

I've got to say, my math ain't that great, but I might want to see how the questions were phrased.

And 51% approval for a President who inherited a terrible economy and two go nowhere wars ain't that bad...even considering!

-spence

Name anyone, who could do anything different and not have similar results????
If we only knew the future we'd all be retired and wealthy, living in brazil.


He had no experience, and made huge promises of change. 1st democrat I didn't vote for since Jimmy Carte in '80.
I just knew he couldn't deliver (and he is a little too arrogant for me)

And 51% approval for a President who inherited a terrible economy and two go nowhere wars ain't that bad...even considering!

-spence

Inheritance is hard to use now being he manned up and said "the buck stops here"
when it came to the war on terror.
I give him credit for that.

Are you F***ing serious ???
Not "Everyone" would have mortgage the next 3-4 generations futures with the INSANE spending/wasting $ that your POS president has been doing !

Unlucky for you that he's *your* president as well.

Name anyone, who could do anything different and not have similar results????
If we only knew the future we'd all be retired and wealthy, living in brazil.

Are you really serious that someone else couldn't have had different results?

Stimulus - Huge waste of money with nothing accomplished.

Job Creation - How are all those shovel ready jobs working out?

Cash for Clunkers - Worked out great (for foreign car companies)

Health Care Reform - Totally effed up.

Closing Guantanamo - I haven't been there, but I hear it's still open.

I could go on, but the more I think about it, the more depressed I get.

can't wait to count the lies in the State of the Union...

FYI new change of terms...."jobs created or saved" has not been working out so well...from now on the Obamorons will be referring to "jobs funded" to claim success because, of course...they've funded them, just not sure where all of the money went, they did their job and "funded" the job creation and saving, don't try to blame them if none of it actually materialized, typical liberal logic, listen to what we say and don't blame us for what we or our programs fail to do, just shut up, and give us more and more money......like climate change...it's changing...just not sure where all the Global Warming went...:uhuh: and those "man caused disasters" shooting up Army bases and trying to blow up airplanes who are closely linked by a single radical cleric(probably just a coincidence, like Obama and Bill Ayers, Frank Marshall Davis, Rashid Khalidi, Bernadine Dorn, Rev. Wright, Father Flaeger, Wilfred Mitsuji Oka-this is a new one that you should check out, and on and on :uhuh:)... and one is a terrorist and one is not...the one that didn't kill anyone is a terrorist? who was initially an "isolated extremist" but then...later... part of the Al Qaeda terrorist network sporting and underwear bomb ...go figure......

yes JD...he is "our" president...however, many of us will not have to apologize to our children in the future for our vote to elect a radical leftist(marxist,socialist,communist,facist, progressive...pick your term, it's all in the eye of the beholder and none belong in the White House) to the highest office in the land... and all that will result from that unfortunate decision...:)

It's been a great first year :eek5: .

Jury is out on the economy. Did he help fix it?

Wars: Iraq has a chance but he inherited that.

AFG? Who knows. After twiddling fingers for months he moved forward. We'll see.

Spending: http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/political-threads/61370-saturday-night-live.html "And do sex to you!"

Iran, NORKS ?

So I'll bite, I'm in the dissatisfied column though only marginally dissatisfied - which means I'm less dissatisfied than I might otherwise have been. At this point I'm not voting for him in Round 2.

three more years of this chicago politican :err:.....if you work and pay taxes- hold on it's going to be a rough ride.

yes JD...he is "our" president...however, many of us will not have to apologize to our children in the future for our vote to elect a radical leftist(marxist,socialist,communist,facist, progressive...pick your term, it's all in the eye of the beholder and none belong in the White House

It seems like you're just repeating terms you've read or heard. You are aware that all those terms are different, right?

It seems like you're just repeating terms you've read or heard. You are aware that all those terms are different, right?

only slightly different :uhuh: which one are you?:)

three more years of this chicago politican :err:.....if you work and pay taxes- hold on it's going to be a rough ride.



Three more years this is going to be
The United States of China !

regardless of the hairs that JD would like to split regarding the terms(and I would argue that it's the left that constantly shifts terms and constantly tries to dodge any accurate lable..."I'm not a Socialist, I just like to spread the wealth around") the individual is more quickly than ever in our history becoming subjugated to a large centralized government...this country was founded on princilples subjugating limited government to the individual and the People..not the other way around...this is the culmination of nearly a hundred years of subsersives pushing this country to the left...the government is increasingly becoming involved in your life from the moment that you scratch yourself in the morning until you shut your eyes at night...some find comfort in that...others recognize where it has led in the past and will sadly lead here ....

JD has made it clear that he has utter disdain for the "average" individual and their lack of comprehension of virtually every important subject in his opinion...he, however has an incredible grasp and knowledge and depth of understanding of any subjuct that you wish to discuss:rotf2: and if you disagree with him you are simply repeating something that you must have heard elsewhere and would never have concluded on your own...

see how it works ?...:uhuh:

this is what the elitist tell themselves and the mode in which they operate as they seek more and more control over your life....:devil2:

regardless of the hairs that JD would like to split regarding the terms(and I would argue that it's the left that constantly shifts terms and constantly tries to dodge any accurate lable..."I'm not a Socialist, I just like to spread the wealth around") the individual is more quickly than ever in our history becoming subjugated to a large centralized government...this country was founded on princilples subjugating limited government to the individual and the People..not the other way around...this is the culmination of nearly a hundred years of subsersives pushing this country to the left...the government is increasingly becoming involved in your life from the moment that you scratch yourself in the morning until you shut your eyes at night...some find comfort in that...others recognize where it has led in the past and will sadly lead here ....

JD has made it clear that he has utter disdain for the "average" individual and their lack of comprehension of virtually every important subject in his opinion...he, however has an incredible grasp and knowledge and depth of understanding of any subjuct that you wish to discuss:rotf2: and if you disagree with him you are simply repeating something that you must have heard elsewhere and would never have concluded on your own...

see how it works ?...:uhuh:

this is what the elitist tell themselves and the mode in which they operate as they seek more and more control over your life....:devil2:

This is fun.

History has shown...EVERY SINGLE TIME, when you cut taxes the economy recovers and jobs are created.

And 51% approval for a President who inherited a terrible economy and two go nowhere wars ain't that bad...even considering!

-spence

I would argue that the circumstances he inherited would only bolster his approval. The campaign was based on "Im not Bush" and Change! if everything sucks, do a few good things and you're a hero.He has failed in even doing a few good things. His team has been bungling messages, ex. Napolitano - "everything worked", incosnsitent message on healthcare, lack of innovation, etc.
The fact is, in the darkest of times, even a candle shows a big light, but the country is seeing nothing from Obama.

History has shown...EVERY SINGLE TIME, when you cut taxes the economy recovers and jobs are created.

Really? Seems as though the Bush tax cuts have contributed significantly to the current economic situation, while also contributing to a massive increase in the national debt under his reign. One major criticism of current Dems is that if they cannot pay for their spending and debt increases significantly, we're in for major issues with inflation and long-term economic problems (which I fully agree with).

I would be curious to read any article you may have seen about how every single time, tax cuts have resulted in a long-term improvement in the economy and jobs; while also not contributing to an increase of debt.

I can't decide whether it would be more productive to have congress flip in the mid-terms of if we ought continue down this road a little bit more...the stimulus has done little more than prop up the massive wasteful governement bureaucracies, particluarly in the bluest states which have been tinkering in socialism for many years, there will be no lesson learned, they will be supported through these bad times at great cost to surrounding more responsible states and will continue on their free spending ways as soon as some normalcy returns....maybe what is needed for those that have been sipping socialism is to get a big mouthful of socialism, like waterboarding:uhuh:, and really experience some of that "sacrafice" that Obama is always talking about but clearly never intends to participate in as he travels, eats, spends to his heats content.....

Really? Seems as though the Bush tax cuts have contributed significantly to the current economic situation, while also contributing to a massive increase in the national debt under his reign. One major criticism of current Dems is that if they cannot pay for their spending and debt increases significantly, we're in for major issues with inflation and long-term economic problems (which I fully agree with).

I would be curious to read any article you may have seen about how every single time, tax cuts have resulted in a long-term improvement in the economy and jobs; while also not contributing to an increase of debt.


you are right as usual JD :rotf2::rotf2::rotf2::rotf2:

you are right as usual JD :rotf2::rotf2::rotf2::rotf2:

That doesn't even make sense.

Really? Seems as though the Bush tax cuts have contributed significantly to the current economic situation, while also contributing to a massive increase in the national debt under his reign. One major criticism of current Dems is that if they cannot pay for their spending and debt increases significantly, we're in for major issues with inflation and long-term economic problems (which I fully agree with).

I would be curious to read any article you may have seen about how every single time, tax cuts have resulted in a long-term improvement in the economy and jobs; while also not contributing to an increase of debt.

So now it's the tax cuts that led to the deficit? I thought it was the war in Iraq?

Tax cuts are really just a loan from the government which is to be paid back in future taxes. And in reality, they've been very successful in the US and other countries in the past. Unfortunately for us right now, a tax cut wouldn't be successful because you need to have a reduction in government spending in conjunction with the cuts. This administration has already shown that government spending is on the increase with no sign of slowing down. You also must have consumers willing to put money back in the economy. If they have no confidence, they won't spend the money. Right now, consumer confidence is extremely low.

tax cuts are a one sided disucssion. Obama has opted to "give" money to promote the economy via the stimulus package. so we increase debt and reward....who? Who is benefitting?
Tax cuts reward those that WORK. Those that work, spend! Those that provide goods/services hire. Those that show a profit by working and selling pay taxes. It all works and most importantly encourages competition and hard work.

tax cuts are a one sided disucssion. Obama has opted to "give" money to promote the economy via the stimulus package. so we increase debt and reward....who? Who is benefitting?
Tax cuts reward those that WORK. Those that work, spend! Those that provide goods/services hire. Those that show a profit by working and selling pay taxes. It all works and most importantly encourages competition and hard work.

Didn't the last round of tax cuts favor the wealthy and not the almost taxed to death middle class ?

So now it's the tax cuts that led to the deficit? I thought it was the war in Iraq?

You imply my post states that the tax cuts were the sole reason.

Really? Seems as though the Bush tax cuts have contributed significantly to the current economic situation, while also contributing to a massive increase in the national debt under his reign. One major criticism of current Dems is that if they cannot pay for their spending and debt increases significantly, we're in for major issues with inflation and long-term economic problems (which I fully agree with).

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There are massive costs that come with starting 2 wars, yet Bush pushed tax cuts through in 2001 and again in 2003. He had his war agenda in place and no plan to pay for it. I'll accept the 2001 cuts because of Sept 11 and him campaigning on it, but then to thoroughly plan a case for war in Iraq and push more tax cuts in the same year was reckless. There are so many things that have gone wrong in Iraq that "how were we going to pay for this again?" often is forgotten.

It's similar to the current situation we face with health care and the bailouts. With the agenda the Dems have in place, if they were then to push for tax cuts, there would be no question to the complete financial failure of this country.

Huge debts plus additional expenses and then to decrease receivables from taxes is insane. It is insane today and it was insane during the last administration.

tax cuts are a one sided disucssion. Obama has opted to "give" money to promote the economy via the stimulus package. so we increase debt and reward....who? Who is benefitting?
Tax cuts reward those that WORK. Those that work, spend! Those that provide goods/services hire. Those that show a profit by working and selling pay taxes. It all works and most importantly encourages competition and hard work.

No one trusts the economy right now. The market is in a relative state of purgatory, consumers are saving more than spending. I don't think consumers will start spending until it appears things have actually improved. The continuing of terrible unemployment rates (actual rates are reported over 20%) and the recent increases in fuel prices isn't going to have consumers splurging any time soon.

Huge debts plus additional expenses and then to decrease receivables from taxes is insane. It is insane today and it was insane during the last administration.

I figured as a business owner you'd understand that all debts aren't bad. Tax cuts are put in place to get people spending. This increases GNP, which helps offset the lost revenue from the tax cuts. As I mentioned before, cutting government spending also helps offset the lost tax revenue. Tax cuts put more money into the hands of the people who are going to spend it, while throwing stimulus money at big corporations and banks just drains more money from the economy.

No one trusts the economy right now. The market is in a relative state of purgatory, consumers are saving more than spending. I don't think consumers will start spending until it appears things have actually improved. The continuing of terrible unemployment rates (actual rates are reported over 20%) and the recent increases in fuel prices isn't going to have consumers splurging any time soon.

I dont agree. Look at the real data. People are spending.

Didn't the last round of tax cuts favor the wealthy and not the almost taxed to death middle class ?

No, that is false. Democratic propaganda. The Bush tax cuts were across the board. However the "spin" is that they favor the wealthy because dollar for dollar, the wealthy pay more taxes, so they benefit more from cuts. The tax cuts were equitable which can be deemed to be unfair for political purposes. Its been posted out here a million times but something like 20% of the population pays for 90% of all the taxes.

I dont agree. Look at the real data. People are spending.

Just looked up fresh data and you're right about the savings %. Personal savings as a % of income is down a bit. We are coming out of a holiday season though so who knows. It doesn't change my opinion in the rest of that post with regards to overall distrust of the economy and horrible unemployment rates preventing people from really going out and making purchases.

At the end of the first quarter, there will probably be another bump as people get their tax returns, but I can't see consumer spending trending upward significantly any time soon. There are still far too many radicals with the economy and health care.

I figured as a business owner you'd understand that all debts aren't bad. Tax cuts are put in place to get people spending. This increases GNP, which helps offset the lost revenue from the tax cuts. As I mentioned before, cutting government spending also helps offset the lost tax revenue. Tax cuts put more money into the hands of the people who are going to spend it, while throwing stimulus money at big corporations and banks just drains more money from the economy.

Again you're putting words into my mouth.

Again you're putting words into my mouth.

he's only trying to help you sound intelligent:rotf2:

Again you're putting words into my mouth.

How so? You harp on deficits and debt and imply that they're bad. I simply pointed out that not all debt is bad debt. I learned that in college. Of course I only minored in economics in college because the advanced classes were too difficult for me. That's why I switched my major to Poli Sci. No math or real involved thinking required.

he's only trying to help you sound intelligent:rotf2:

It's no wonder he doesn't do the same to you then - being so far past the capability of help.:smash:

How so? You harp on deficits and debt and imply that they're bad. I simply pointed out that not all debt is bad debt. I learned that in college. Of course I only minored in economics in college because the advanced classes were too difficult for me. That's why I switched my major to Poli Sci. No math or real involved thinking required.

I never stated that all debt is bad, while "I figured as a business owner you'd understand that all debts aren't bad" assumes I did or that I don't understand that taking on *some* debt could be good.

Increasing deficits and debt with no real outlook at how the debts are going to be paid are what caused the collapse of the financial sector and, as I stated earlier, is how the Iraq War/Tax Cuts relationship was a major contributing factor to our current economic state.

I never stated that all debt is bad, while "I figured as a business owner you'd understand that all debts aren't bad" assumes I did or that I don't understand that taking on *some* debt could be good.


Increasing deficits and debt with no real outlook at how the debts are going to be paid are what caused the collapse of the financial sector and, as I stated earlier, is how the Iraq War/Tax Cuts relationship was a major contributing factor to our current economic state.

OK, you didn't come right out and say it, but it was definitely implied when you used words like "insane" and link Bush's economy (which you refer to negatively) with "massive increase of national debt".

You can't have it both ways. And for the record, I think as usual we're not that far apart on our thoughts here. We just have a different way of arriving there.

OK, you didn't come right out and say it, but it was definitely implied when you used words like "insane" and link Bush's economy (which you refer to negatively) with "massive increase of national debt".

You can't have it both ways. And for the record, I think as usual we're not that far apart on our thoughts here. We just have a different way of arriving there.

I see what you're saying. However, Bush's economy did result in a "massive increase of national debt", but my issue with it was that the debt was racked up with no method in sight for how to pay for it.

I see what you're saying. However, Bush's economy did result in a "massive increase of national debt", but my issue with it was that the debt was racked up with no method in sight for how to pay for it.

What's the magic plan to pay off Obama's MASSIVE debt?

What's the magic plan to pay off Obama's MASSIVE debt?

I never said their was one but, probably the same as Bush's plan oh how we'll pay for Iraq. Tell everyone the policy will pay for itself.

I don't support the massive debt being racked up by just about *ALL* the Democrats right now. But, I didn't agree with the debt being racked up by the Republicans during their last reign either.

Increasing deficits and debt with no real outlook at how the debts are going to be paid are what caused the collapse of the financial sector and, as I stated earlier, is how the Iraq War/Tax Cuts relationship was a major contributing factor to our current economic state.

Wasn't "the economy" doing quite well before the collapse of the financial sector? And wasn't the Government debt as a percentage of GDP, at the time, not historically high? And wasn't the economy that produced high tax revenues partially due to the Bush tax cuts? Wasn't, thus, the Government operating on relatively sound fiscal policy until the financial sector crash (which had nothing to do with tax cuts or the Iraq war)?

I never said their was one but, probably the same as Bush's plan oh how we'll pay for Iraq. Tell everyone the policy will pay for itself.

I don't support the massive debt being racked up by just about *ALL* the Democrats right now. But, I didn't agree with the debt being racked up by the Republicans during their last reign either.

Wait until you see Obama's 800 Billion $$$$ war budget coming up!!

No, that is false. Democratic propaganda. The Bush tax cuts were across the board.
Not totally true.

The 2001 Bush tax cuts were intentionally graduated to impact the wealthy more during the later years of the program, and this was changed in 2003 to accelerate the benefits to higher wage earners.

Additionally, the tax cuts were designed to expire in 2011 specifically so they could avoid rules intended to protect hidden spending, really to hide the true cost.

Yes, the rich pay more, blah blah blah, we all know this but the 2001 tax cut wasn't really as simple as being across the board.

-spence

It's no wonder he doesn't do the same to you then - being so far past the capability of help.:smash:

just havin' fun...you love me...:uhuh:

just havin' fun...you love me...:uhuh:

Of course. What fun would this place be if we couldn't exchange an elbow jab or two once in a while?

What's the magic plan to pay off Obama's MASSIVE debt?

that's the question that everyone should be asking Buck...there is nothing being done to spur the economy, this is a willful destruction of the American economy, they will continue to smile at you and tell you things are getting better as everything collapses....higher taxes, more regulation, more dependence on government and greater government control of the private sector and your life ....this is now the playland of the radical left....good luck everyone...don't think that they haven't factored amnesty into the mid term calculus.....