I've voted since I turned 18 (27 years ago) !
Not 1 time have I been asked to show ID when I go in to vote.
Why is this ?
In other words, what is to stop me from showing up when the polls open in the am, If I know a name and address of someone , as long as that person has not shown up and had their name checked off the list, what is stopping me from casting that persons vote ?
:huh:

Aren't you required to put your signature in the registration book each
time you vote?

Aren't you required to put your signature in the registration book each
time you vote?

:D

Nope..not in the commonwealth...:D

I can sign anybody's name anyways...

MA..the home of vote early, vote often..
we have had dead people cast votes...
guys with beards vote once...cleanshaven, go back and do it again..
of course once the name is checked.. ya have to use another name..
hey... it's been done....

bet Pine Street Inn...gets a lot of stiff armed marching to the polls this tuesday...

:D

Nope..not in the commonwealth...:D

I can sign anybody's name anyways...

MA..the home of vote early, vote often..
we have had dead people cast votes...
guys with beards vote once...cleanshaven, go back and do it again..
of course once the name is checked.. ya have to use another name..
hey... it's been done....

bet Pine Street Inn...gets a lot of stiff armed marching to the polls this tuesday...




Exactly !

If they are not checking id's in your district you should probably report it to Galvin's office. I always get mine checked.

If they are not checking id's in your district you should probably report it to Galvin's office. I always get mine checked.

Both my wife & I have voted in Wrentham for years, never 1 time had show ID.
Prior to Wrentham, both lived & voted in Jamacia Plain (Boston)
Same story, no ID check !
Everyone I've asked, same story.

Reason I bring this topic up,
On the radio today I listened to talk of how the suspected corrupt vote Obama got in the presidental election (Acorn) will happen in this election
also !

No IDs in Mansfield, Tell them your street address and name and they check you off. going in and then coming out of the booth.

I'd be deeply disappointed if the dems didn't make every effort to completely trample any perception of an honest, free and open legitimate American election...I've come to expect nothing less from them....:uhuh:

It's good to get out in front of this issue and claim fraud before the election.

no need to claim it...the dems are actually pretty open about it, transparent you might say...and then the enablers simply claim it's not a big deal....give me one legitimate reason(a real one, not..it's racist) why the dem party fights any effort to require proper identification when voting...hmmmm???

they got Al Franken into the Senate...he's a beauty...I think I forgot him on my list of dirtbags

why not Martha Kennedy...?:rotf2:

I can't answer why you need an id to vote. Voting procedure is determined by the MA Sec. of State.
You know, the last election for SOS it was a Green Party candidate (Stein) vs a Democrat (Galvin)
There was no GOP candidate on the Election Day ballot for SOS in the 2006 MA General Election.

In other words, what is to stop me from showing up when the polls open in the am, If I know a name and address of someone , as long as that person has not shown up and had their name checked off the list, what is stopping me from casting that persons vote ?
:huh:

A $20,000 fine and something like 2 years in prison if you're caught.

No IDs in Mansfield, Tell them your street address and name and they check you off. going in and then coming out of the booth.
I had to vote absentee and our Town Clerk checked my ID. Never been checked on polling day though.

That's if you actually get caught.:wall:
There is nothing to prevent voter fraud in this state.
Heck, it's pretty much encouraged.

We'll have to wait and see.
If we have a larger voter turnout than the presidential election, I would be wary.
Here's a solution: If there is any proof (voter records, video, photo) of ANY voting fraud charges, charge those responsible, and the candidtate (because as Martha should know, Ignorance of the law is no excuse!) and kick their sorry a$$ out!

What about having "poll watchers" to keep an eye out for possible infractions? Each side can supply their own.

Maybe the same genius that wrote the misspelled ad will somehow miscalculate the votes needed for a given district, and we'll have a region with, say 10,000 residents cast over 20,000 votes?

I just cast my absentee vote this afternoon, and had to show my id.

Ronnie every freikin person in Wrentham knows you, duh..........

:D

Nope..not in the commonwealth...:D

I can sign anybody's name anyways...



That is outrageous!!! How can you trust any election results
under those rules?

....give me one legitimate reason(a real one, not..it's racist) why the dem party fights any effort to require proper identification when voting...hmmmm???
Because some (often poor) people don't have a valid state or Federal ID, but still have the legal right to vote.

-spence

Because some (often poor) people don't have a valid state or Federal ID, but still have the legal right to vote.

-spence

that is crap...:uhuh:

that is crap...:uhuh:

Is that your legal analysis?

-spence

no need to claim it...the dems are actually pretty open about it, transparent you might say...and then the enablers simply claim it's not a big deal....give me one legitimate reason(a real one, not..it's racist) why the dem party fights any effort to require proper identification when voting...hmmmm???

they got Al Franken into the Senate...he's a beauty...I think I forgot him on my list of dirtbags

why not Martha Kennedy...?:rotf2:

If this is a democrat thing, then how the hell did Weld and Cellucci get in? The hell with all this 2 party crap. If it's fixed for one, it's fixed for all. Oh, I am equally repulsed by the far right and far left, and I'm sick of the propoganda if you hadnt guessed.

Is that your legal analysis?

-spence

Is it illegal for a State to require ID in order to vote?

Is it illegal for a State to require ID in order to vote?
I believe only a few states have passed laws that require this, but it would depend on state law. Regardless the issue presented was if there were legitimate arguments, and there would appear to be.

-spence

Because some (often poor) people don't have a valid state or Federal ID, but still have the legal right to vote.

-spence

Seriously, wouldn't they have a birth certificate, social security # or
citizenship papers in order to register?

I believe only a few states have passed laws that require this, but it would depend on state law. Regardless the issue presented was if there were legitimate arguments, and there would appear to be.

-spence

Twenty five States require ID. Most of them have some sort of provision for those who forgot to bring the ID, such as provisional ballots, signing affidavits, answering certain questions such as SS#, address and birthdate, etc. that may conform with the official roster. Certainly, if we legitimately require ID for more mundane activities (driving an automobile) wouldn't it be legitimate to require that someone identify that he is the person legally registered to vote?

Maybe we can use our new National Health Care cards!!! Then even Non Documented people can vote

YouTube - Massachusetts Miracle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nEoW-P81-0)

GIVE HER BOOZE and SHE WON'T LOSE !

Maybe we can use our new National Health Care cards!!! Then even Non Documented people can vote

Or the new National ID cards the Republicans were trying to peddle.

Elections: Voting on Election Day (http://www.sec.state.ma.us/ELE/eleifv/howvote.htm)




Will I need to show identification to vote?

Maybe. If you registered to vote by mail on or after January 1, 2003, you will be required to show identification when you vote for the first time in a federal election since registering by mail in 2003 if you have not sent in a copy of your identification with your mail-in voter registration form.
Acceptable identification must include your name and the address at which you are registered to vote, for example: a current and valid driver’s license, photo identification, current utility bill, bank statement, paycheck, government check, or other government document showing your name and address

What about if you registered to vote by Acorn on or after January 1, 2003 and you are often poor and don't have a valid state or Federal ID, but still have the legal right to vote?

What about if you registered to vote by Acorn on or after January 1, 2003 and you are often poor and don't have a valid state or Federal ID, but still have the legal right to vote?

I don't know why you always bring ACORN up. They never did anything wrong, ever.. :)

See, I learned from you Spence!!:rotf2:

ID and a BCI check should be required - keep the felons from voting and pick up anyone with warrants on them. Same thing with the census...

Certainly, if we legitimately require ID for more mundane activities (driving an automobile) wouldn't it be legitimate to require that someone identify that he is the person legally registered to vote?
What you're stating is an argument while ScottW had asked for a legitimate reason.

Personally, I think the argument that federal or state ID is a reasonable measure to help prevent fraud. That being said, I think that disenfranchisement is a legitimate issue...one that's outweighed in many cases by the need to prevent fraud.

-spence

What you're stating is an argument while ScottW had asked for a legitimate reason.

Personally, I think the argument that federal or state ID is a reasonable measure to help prevent fraud. That being said, I think that disenfranchisement is a legitimate issue...one that's outweighed in many cases by the need to prevent fraud.

-spence

If we are interpreting Scott's "legitimate" strictly as a legal term meaning in compliance with law rather than meaning"based on logical thinking", then, since by law, everyone, regardless of economic status, must register to vote, and, I believe, must have some form of ID with address to do so. How is requiring someone to show that ID when he is going to practice that for which he registered, disenfranchisement?

How is requiring someone to show that ID when he is going to practice that for which he registered, disenfranchisement?
Americans are entitled a vote based on citizenship according to law, but there's no law that required a state or federal ID. Some would argue the requirement of a license, which can require money to acquire, could prove a disincentive or barrier to the poor.

-spence

Americans are entitled a vote based on citizenship according to law, but there's no law that required a state or federal ID. Some would argue the requirement of a license, which can require money to acquire, could prove a disincentive or barrier to the poor.

-spence

Maybe they could use their Food Stamp Debit Card

Americans are entitled a vote based on citizenship according to law, but there's no law that required a state or federal ID. Some would argue the requirement of a license, which can require money to acquire, could prove a disincentive or barrier to the poor.

-spence

Citizens are entitled by law to vote, but it is not illegal for states to require proof of citizenship. Nor is it illegal to require proof of residence. That "some would argue" that it might require money to acquire some form of proof, is irrelevant. No matter how poor a citizen may be, it requires money for that citizen to do just about anything. Many, if not most of those things, would require more money than to get some form of ID. I'm sure ACORN would be willing to give needy poor folks the money to acquire ID. Certainly, ID would be more useful and important for most supposedly poor U.S. citizens than much, if not most, of what supposedly poor people in this country spend their money on. And if it isn't, "some would argue" that they are not that fervently interested in voting.

Maybe they could use their Food Stamp Debit Card

you are soooo mean spirited Buck....don't you know that everyday there are people out there that are having to choose between a valid form of ID and a pack of smokes???

you are soooo mean spirited Buck....don't you know that everyday there are people out there that are having to choose between a valid form of ID and a pack of smokes???

:rotf2: I was thinking the same thing, it's just I have too much class to type it:rotf2:

Ahhhhh....HONESTY...isn't it great?




Ed Schultz: I'd cheat to keep Brown from winning

By Kerry Picket on Jan. 16, 2010

Brian Maloney captured MSNBC's Ed Schultz making a startling remark on his radio show yesterday about supporting voter fraud in Massachusetts, so Scott Brown would lose. The audio is below along with the transcript.

SCHULTZ (23:02): I tell you what, if I lived in Massachusetts I'd try to vote 10 times. I don't know if they'd let me or not, but I'd try to. Yeah, that's right. I'd cheat to keep these bastards out. I would. 'Cause that's exactly what they are.