I would like to see the sink put on the outside of the rests rooms so you don't have to handle the door after washing your hands. I think more people would wash because everyone could see who does or doesn't. Seems like a simple solution that could actually cut cost in the long term by not having separate sinks for men and women and less sick people because more people would wash their hands. How does someone go about getting this to happen?

What if somebody misses on the wipe, and comes out with sh_tty hands?
What do you do?
I'd be afraid if I confronted them and told them to wash their hands, they'd tackle me and give me a Dirty Sanchez...

Personally, I'd like to see the urinals put on the outside, too

I've gotten to the point in age where a few feet can make a helluva difference...:doh:

I'd be afraid if I confronted them and told them to wash their hands, they'd tackle me and give me a Dirty Sanchez...

I know it's only January, but that's the line of the year so far. Someone's going to have to dig deep to beat the Dirty Sanchez.

What if somebody misses on the wipe, and comes out with sh_tty hands?
What do you do?
I'd be afraid if I confronted them and told them to wash their hands, they'd tackle me and give me a Dirty Sanchez...

This is happening now; but you still have to deal with the door and atleast with the sink on the outside you could wash your hands and they would be in public and will wash theirs.

The solution is really simple. I think you're overlooking the obvious answer to the problem. HazMat claening stations outside every public restroom! I'm not sure about cost, but can you really put a price on having poop free hands?

I only open bathroom doors with a paper towel in hand and use my foot to flush the toilets - urinals don't get flushed, I'm not touching that thing.

I only open bathroom doors with a paper towel in hand and use my foot to flush the toilets - urinals don't get flushed, I'm not touching that thing.

Thats what I do too but I see people just go out the door all the time and see loads of extra paper towel on the floor from people throwing it down after opening the door. It's just a possible solution that could save money by having less sinks (both men and women would use the same sink) and less sick people because more people would wash their hands.

You could explain the problem of the paper towels on the floor to whoever is responsible for it (building manager?) and suggest a garbage can outside the bathroom. Same problem happened here and went away when folks had a place to throw the paper towel after they opened the door. The building went a step further and put hand sanitizer dispensers outside every bathroom in the building.

What about the cost savings?
Less floor space required for restrooms because of a common use sink/s.
Less illness because people would wash their hands especially after handling the door.
Employees would have to wash their hands because now they could be observed by others.
Is there really a bad side?

Put the hand sanitizer dispenser right outside the door so if you have to touch the doorknob you can still clean your hands.

there are many large bathrooms set up so there is no door, just partitions

personal hygiene has been lacking and going downhill for years, I hate to think of what goes on at restaurants

Do hand sanitizers kill everything? Some people think hand sanitizers are all thats necessary and don't even bother with the sink.
It would take time to phase in but eventually all bathrooms get remodeled and the changes could be made then.

Mother's Day, we went out to eat and there was this family there with what looked like a homeless person who was with them. The homeless guy gets up to use the bathroom and comes back with his pants soaked - I mean really soaked - around the zipper area. My son said, "He probably does not know you're supposed to pull your pants down."

who cares, human beings have survived terrible living situations for tens of thoushands of years. I've never heard of anyone getting sick becuase there was some piss on a door handle. Not to post anything to upset a family friendly web site but just think what many do privately in their sex lives....know anyone to get sick from it (vd excluded)?? Do you bathe in purell and wash your mouth with listerine afterwards?
My Dad used to tell me of his days as a marine in the jungles of Borneo picking up lucky strike butts from the jingle floor and getting one last puff from them. Gee, should he have washed his hands first? My family gags when I tell them how I hook on an eel and then eat some peanuts or a slim jim with the same (dare I say it!) unwashed hand!, who gives a frick. be a man!

Not to steal your thread BUT--how about the Dentist that gets dressed up in his space suite and with you in the chair adjusts the light with a handle that has not been cleaned from the previous patient. I think the face mask and gloves are to protect him,not you

Well Monk, if it were up to me I would just place the little wall hung sanitizers outside of every bathroom. Like hospitals do.

Do you touch money: coins or bills...............no sanitization process used here. Never know where that $1 bill or quarter has been.

who cares, human beings have survived terrible living situations for tens of thoushands of years. I've never heard of anyone getting sick becuase there was some piss on a door handle. Not to post anything to upset a family friendly web site but just think what many do privately in their sex lives....know anyone to get sick from it (vd excluded)?? Do you bathe in purell and wash your mouth with listerine afterwards?
My Dad used to tell me of his days as a marine in the jungles of Borneo picking up lucky strike butts from the jingle floor and getting one last puff from them. Gee, should he have washed his hands first? My family gags when I tell them how I hook on an eel and then eat some peanuts or a slim jim with the same (dare I say it!) unwashed hand!, who gives a frick. be a man!

Remind me never to come over your house for meatballs.

Do you touch money: coins or bills...............no sanitization process used here. Never know where that $1 bill or quarter has been.

Check this out.
How Much Dirt and Bacteria is on Money? - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1948076/how_much_dirt_and_bacteria_is_on_money.html?cat=5)

who cares, human beings have survived terrible living situations for tens of thoushands of years. I've never heard of anyone getting sick becuase there was some piss on a door handle. Not to post anything to upset a family friendly web site but just think what many do privately in their sex lives....know anyone to get sick from it (vd excluded)?? Do you bathe in purell and wash your mouth with listerine afterwards?
My Dad used to tell me of his days as a marine in the jungles of Borneo picking up lucky strike butts from the jingle floor and getting one last puff from them. Gee, should he have washed his hands first? My family gags when I tell them how I hook on an eel and then eat some peanuts or a slim jim with the same (dare I say it!) unwashed hand!, who gives a frick. be a man!

There are plenty of things on door handles that make people ill, it has nothing to do with being a man.

Maybe I'll stop washing my hands, I'm one stomach flu away from fitting into my skinny jeans.

It's funny how it doesn't seem to be a big deal to some people, but I know one guy who I gave a hard time too about not washing his hands. He didn't like it to much when before I played him at darts I reached into my paints just when we were about to shake hands and he pulled back and called my an a'hole. I replied whats the difference I watch you leave the mens room while I'm washing my hands and then you think I want to shake your hand afterwards? I'm just leveling the playing field, we still only bump fist before games now.

It's funny how it doesn't seem to be a big deal to some people, but I know one guy who I gave a hard time too about not washing his hands. He didn't like it to much when before I played him at darts I reached into my paints just when we were about to shake hands and he pulled back and called my an a'hole. I replied whats the difference I watch you leave the mens room while I'm washing my hands and then you think I want to shake your hand afterwards? I'm just leveling the playing field, we still only bump fist before games now.

sounds like you should be crocheting instead of playing darts :devil2:

sounds like you should be crocheting instead of playing darts :devil2:

If it makes me less of a man because I don't want to shake someones hand after they have basically fondled themselves then so be it. I just find it rude and it does spread illness.

Maybe I'll stop washing my hands, I'm one stomach flu away from fitting into my skinny jeans.


:rotf2::rotflmao: Joe, you are on freakin' fire in this thread!!

who cares, human beings have survived terrible living situations for tens of thoushands of years. I've never heard of anyone getting sick becuase there was some piss on a door handle. Not to post anything to upset a family friendly web site but just think what many do privately in their sex lives....know anyone to get sick from it (vd excluded)?? Do you bathe in purell and wash your mouth with listerine afterwards?
My Dad used to tell me of his days as a marine in the jungles of Borneo picking up lucky strike butts from the jingle floor and getting one last puff from them. Gee, should he have washed his hands first? My family gags when I tell them how I hook on an eel and then eat some peanuts or a slim jim with the same (dare I say it!) unwashed hand!, who gives a frick. be a man!

You would think differently if you were in other countries where people get Hepatitis or amoebas.....:uhuh::uhuh::uhuh:

If it makes me less of a man because I don't want to shake someones hand after they have basically fondled themselves then so be it. I just find it rude and it does spread illness.

tell me one illness that is spread by that?

I don't know whats worse.
Jim fondling himself before handshakes to prove a point or an image of Joe in 'skinny' jeans...

Jimmy is right.
This is just another thing that we learned in kindergarten that we need to start questioning. Most teachers are liberals and they are indoctrinating our children with their PC b.s.
Good hygiene has merit - what a crock. Next they are going to tell us the polar caps are melting.

Jimmy is right.
This is just another thing that we learned in kindergarten that we need to start questioning. Most teachers are liberals and they are indoctrinating our children with their PC b.s.
Good hygiene has merit - what a crock. Next they are going to tell us the polar caps are melting.

my point is that the bathroom does not have any more risk of disease than any other part of your environment. Like or not you come in contact with all kinds of germs every day and beleive it or not 99% of the times you walk away ok. While it may be gross that people dont wash there hands after going to the bathroom, there is little implication to your health.
people pee in public pools, kids puke on school buses, people snort coke on dollar bills, people pick their nose, etc...... you'll live.

All this Germaphobe crap is probably why we see so many new allergies.....ever know anybody with Peanut allergies 30 years ago. Everybody is too damn paranoid about being exposed to things that the body doesn't build up any immunities to them.

I'm in Jimmy's corner on this one....everybody is WAY too paranoid now-a days.

Just wash your hands and walk out the door....you'll be fine

While it may be gross that people dont wash there hands after going to the bathroom, there is little implication to your health.

Unless any kind of contact with food takes place. Much of my work is at events like conferences and company meetings - 90% of meals are buffet style. Breaks tend to have platters of food and many do not use the provided tongs when taking appetizers.

The CDC recommends proper hand hygiene as a primary way of avoiding sickness.

You're right that most of us come into contact with millions (maybe billions) of germs everyday but look at the items that have the highest concentration of germs - computer keyboards, cell phones, door handles - all places that get consistently touched by people's hands.

agreed, food contact and preparation are a different story.

just out of curiosity, anyone been to a day care?
puke, crap, spit, snot,piss, drool - non stop. my kids survived.

Oh.....see...I didn't understand your point. Particularly as you tweak it with each post....I guess you're right again.

tell me one illness that is spread by that?

I am giving you two,,,,

While it may be gross that people dont wash there hands after going to the bathroom, there is little implication to your health.

This is the most ridiculous statement in this thread,,,,

First look back at history well over 100 years ago this was proven,,,,, There are some very serious illnesses that spread from fecal matter, when people don't wash their hands, to others just by shaking hands or common contact,,, To start Hepatitis is a pretty serious one,,,,right???

In the United states you may get away with it the majority of the time,,,,,, but when you introduce places where certain diseases are more common, certain bacteria thrive and little micro organisms live in much larger numbers of the population the whole story changes and percentages of people getting sick increases dramatically,,,,,

Folks,,, those places are not that far away,,, and with the increasing number of people traveling to or from those places neither are the risks of getting sick,,,,:uhuh::uhuh:

The picture below might help you all understand,,, I can't find the focused one,,, But it is a comprehensive amoebicide....

Oh.....see...I didn't understand your point. Particularly as you tweak it with each post....I guess you're right again.

duh, whatever - here is a clip from my initial post
"who cares, human beings have survived terrible living situations for tens of thoushands of years. I've never heard of anyone getting sick becuase there was some piss on a door handle." so, I've gone away from that????? I've now been enlightened that scratching your sack spreads disease? yeah, thats a big problem.....

And Gattafish, my reponses are based on the initial post, maybe Im nuts but i assumed ez is in the united states, and yes I do things differently than if I was in a 3rd world country, I also do things differently when at a some highly used pota potty, but the INITIAL THREAD was about a work environment.
its funny all the strong opinons, lets see the data?
I GUARANTY more people get sick from handling common everyday items than from a restroom sink or door handle. PROVE ME WRONG.

It was just my opinion that having the sink on the outside of the restrooms would work better. I think the people who are most bothered by this idea are the ones who will not wash their hands now because they don't want to touch the faucet that everyone touched otherwise what's the big deal.

And Gattafish, my reponses are based on the initial post, maybe Im nuts but i assumed ez is in the united states, and yes I do things differently than if I was in a 3rd world country, I also do things differently when at a some highly used pota potty, but the INITIAL THREAD was about a work environment.
its funny all the strong opinons, lets see the data?
I GUARANTY more people get sick from handling common everyday items than from a restroom sink or door handle. PROVE ME WRONG.

I read the initial thread,,, and the posts, Especially YOURS, which I have quoted and PROVEN to be foolish nonsense ......,,,, I have noticed that as you have met opposition you have slowly manipulated your answers to try to prove a ridiculous and unfounded point that you and only YOU seem to think is true,,,,,

Never the less still not getting the fact that everyday common items carry disease because PEOPLE DON'T WASH THEIR HANDS...:uhuh::uhuh::uhuh:

:lurk::lurk: Isn't cabin fever grand

Remind me never to come over your house for meatballs.

Some Funny a$$ Sheet,,,:rotf2::rotf2::rotf2:

duh, whatever - here is a clip from my initial post
"who cares, human beings have survived terrible living situations for tens of thoushands of years. I've never heard of anyone getting sick becuase there was some piss on a door handle." so, I've gone away from that????? I've now been enlightened that scratching your sack spreads disease? yeah, thats a big problem.....

And Gattafish, my reponses are based on the initial post, maybe Im nuts but i assumed ez is in the united states, and yes I do things differently than if I was in a 3rd world country, I also do things differently when at a some highly used pota potty, but the INITIAL THREAD was about a work environment.
its funny all the strong opinons, lets see the data?
I GUARANTY more people get sick from handling common everyday items than from a restroom sink or door handle. PROVE ME WRONG.
How could I prove you wrong?
The germs on everday items would be reduced if more people would wash their hands more. PROVE ME WRONG
If people don't wash their hands in the restroom then where and when do they?
Try this experiement and see what happens:

The Germy Potato Experiment
Science Experiment to Teach Kids about Germs
Feb 29, 2008 Jennifer Wagaman

Teach children about germs and the importance of washing their hands with this hands-on potato experiment.


The Germy Potato Experiment is designed to teach students about the importance of washing their hands through observation. To do this experiment, you will need three potatoes, hand soap and three plastic bags large enough to put one potato in each.

The Germy Potato Experiment
The first potato will be the control. After washing your hands hands and the potato, peel the potato and put it in a plastic zip lock bag without letting it touch anything else. The idea here is to keep all germs from touching the potato. Label this bag number one.

The second potato will be the germy potato. It is best to introduce this potato after recess. When the students come in, have the second potato washed and peeled, then have each child handle it before putting it in the second zip lock bag. Label this bag number two.

Then have the children wash their hands with soap and water for 30 seconds (sing the ABC’s to make sure they wash long enough). Once they have thoroughly cleansed their hands, wash and peel the third potato and have them handle it before putting it in the third plastic zip lock bag. Label this bag number 3.

Now have the students hypothesize: what will happen to the first potato? The second potato? The third potato? The students should draw and/or write daily observations about changes in the potatoes over the course of one week.



Read more at Suite101: The Germy Potato Experiment: Science Experiment to Teach Kids about Germs The Germy Potato Experiment: Science Experiment to Teach Kids about Germs (http://science-fair-projects.suite101.com/article.cfm/science_lessons_at_home#ixzz0deGdIZ4r)

Lets put sinks outside every public restroom. While we're at it, let's also put them on the inside and outside of every door to every public place. After all, we know that the dirty poopy, pee, boogie hand people go to places other than public restooms. How about on all buses, trains and in all cabs? I shudder to think of all the fecal matter, snots and herpes I've been exposed to while out and about.

Or, everyone could do their best to wash their hands and go on living life unafraid of the poopy germs. If you're too afraid that others don't wash theirs, stay home in your freakin' bubble.

Point is you could put sinks everywhere and people aren't going to use them if it's not a habit to do so. I was out Sat. night and the place had automatic flushing urinals, auto soap dispensers, auto fawcets and no doors to the restrooms (you walked around a corner so no one could see in). You didn't have to touch anything to wash up. Still, guys were taking leaks and then walking right out the door without washing their mitts.

I read the initial thread,,, and the posts, Especially YOURS, which I have quoted and PROVEN to be foolish nonsense ......,,,, I have noticed that as you have met opposition you have slowly manipulated your answers to try to prove a ridiculous and unfounded point that you and only YOU seem to think is true,,,,,

Never the less still not getting the fact that everyday common items carry disease because PEOPLE DON'T WASH THEIR HANDS...:uhuh::uhuh::uhuh:

:lurk::lurk: Isn't cabin fever grand


you have to be f'in kidding me? How the hell have I tweaked my response and how have YOU PROVEN me worng???

We are not talking about disease spread via people and objects, we are talking about disease spread FROM THE BATHROOM, no???
I'll say it clearly as possible - random contact with piss or crap via a restroom will not cause you any health issues 99% of the time.
So you want PROOF, versus your nonsense replies - here goes:
random web research -
There are many simple things that protect you from airborne and surface bacteria, the most powerful being your own immune system. People in decent to excellent health can afford to be reckless more often than the very young or the elderly.
While it is obviously unsanitary to not wash your hands after touching dirty surfaces, more often than not, you will come away unscathed. Your body is tough enough
(WHOA ! wasnt I saying this?????)

from web md -
"To my knowledge, no one has ever acquired an STD on the toilet seat -- unless they were having sex on the toilet seat!" says Abigail Salyers, PhD, president of the American Society for Microbiology (ASM).


Common cold germs, like most viruses, die rapidly, and thus may be less of a threat than you think. "Even if you come into contact with particular viruses or bacteria, you'd have to contract them in amounts large enough to make you sick," says Judy Daly, PhD, professor of pathology at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City.

so.....Im way off? You proved me wrong? So, you live your life worrying that some guy with Hep C may crap on his hands and then make some tuna salad for you? That chance is SO SMALL its insane. How do you drive a car? you chance of dying or getting injured is WAY higher than contacting a serious sickness from a restroom!

duh, whatever - here is a clip from my initial post
"who cares, human beings have survived terrible living situations for tens of thoushands of years. I've never heard of anyone getting sick becuase there was some piss on a door handle." so, I've gone away from that????? I've now been enlightened that scratching your sack spreads disease? yeah, thats a big problem.....

And Gattafish, my reponses are based on the initial post, maybe Im nuts but i assumed ez is in the united states, and yes I do things differently than if I was in a 3rd world country, I also do things differently when at a some highly used pota potty, but the INITIAL THREAD was about a work environment.
its funny all the strong opinons, lets see the data?
I GUARANTY more people get sick from handling common everyday items than from a restroom sink or door handle. PROVE ME WRONG.
How could I prove you wrong?
The germs on everday items would be reduced if more people would wash their hands more. PROVE ME WRONG
If people don't wash their hands in the restroom then where and when do they?
Try this experiement and see what happens:

The Germy Potato Experiment
Science Experiment to Teach Kids about Germs
Feb 29, 2008 Jennifer Wagaman

Teach children about germs and the importance of washing their hands with this hands-on potato experiment.


The Germy Potato Experiment is designed to teach students about the importance of washing their hands through observation. To do this experiment, you will need three potatoes, hand soap and three plastic bags large enough to put one potato in each.

The Germy Potato Experiment
The first potato will be the control. After washing your hands hands and the potato, peel the potato and put it in a plastic zip lock bag without letting it touch anything else. The idea here is to keep all germs from touching the potato. Label this bag number one.

The second potato will be the germy potato. It is best to introduce this potato after recess. When the students come in, have the second potato washed and peeled, then have each child handle it before putting it in the second zip lock bag. Label this bag number two.

Then have the children wash their hands with soap and water for 30 seconds (sing the ABC’s to make sure they wash long enough). Once they have thoroughly cleansed their hands, wash and peel the third potato and have them handle it before putting it in the third plastic zip lock bag. Label this bag number 3.

Now have the students hypothesize: what will happen to the first potato? The second potato? The third potato? The students should draw and/or write daily observations about changes in the potatoes over the course of one week.



Read more at Suite101: The Germy Potato Experiment: Science Experiment to Teach Kids about Germs The Germy Potato Experiment: Science Experiment to Teach Kids about Germs (http://science-fair-projects.suite101.com/article.cfm/science_lessons_at_home#ixzz0deGdIZ4r)


This is handwashing and nothing to do with the bathroom. get it? your post was about the bathroom, no? in order to rpove you point, you need to show that urine or feces caused the potatoes to become "germy".

Lets put sinks outside every public restroom. While we're at it, let's also put them on the inside and outside of every door to every public place. After all, we know that the dirty poopy, pee, boogie hand people go to places other than public restooms. How about on all buses, trains and in all cabs? I shudder to think of all the fecal matter, snots and herpes I've been exposed to while out and about.

Or, everyone could do their best to wash their hands and go on living life unafraid of the poopy germs. If you're too afraid that others don't wash theirs, stay home in your freakin' bubble.

Point is you could put sinks everywhere and people aren't going to use them if it's not a habit to do so. I was out Sat. night and the place had automatic flushing urinals, auto soap dispensers, auto fawcets and no doors to the restrooms (you walked around a corner so no one could see in). You didn't have to touch anything to wash up. Still, guys were taking leaks and then walking right out the door without washing their mitts.

Is it really such a bad idea? Perhaps if they could be seen not washing they might do it. Like I stated earlier if it could save space and perhaps get more people to use them; what is the negative side?

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This is handwashing and nothing to do with the bathroom. get it? your post was about the bathroom, no?

And out in public you find sinks where?

im just curious, have you ever made out with some random chick or do you do a throat culture first?

duh, whatever - here is a clip from my initial post
"who cares, human beings have survived terrible living situations for tens of thoushands of years. I've never heard of anyone getting sick becuase there was some piss on a door handle." so, I've gone away from that????? I've now been enlightened that scratching your sack spreads disease? yeah, thats a big problem.....

You're right. Human beings have survived terrible living situations for quite a long time in history. They also had life expectancies that barely touched 30 years old.

You're right. Human beings have survived terrible living situations for quite a long time in history. They also had life expectancies that barely touched 30 years old.

and the immune system has evolved to handle it. I guess I dont equate a mostly clean workforce not consistenly washing their hands in the bathroom as "terrible living situations". Apparently I am in the minority. Im done, enjoy your paranoia. Im going to go crap, pick my nose, do the dirty dishes, clean my kids room and then have sex with my my wife and then get on my knees and pray, we dont get fooled again.

Is it really such a bad idea? Perhaps if they could be seen not washing they might do it. Like I stated earlier if it could save space and perhaps get more people to use them; what is the negative side?


YES, IT'S A BAD IDEA!!!!!!!! It's not practical to put sinks everywhere. Do you even understand the reality of retrofitting everyplace I mentioned above to put sinks in? No matter what you do, people are going to have dirty hands. Even if people can see, they still won't wash their hands. Do you get it? I was at a Providence Bruins game on Friday and watched as several guys zipped up, turned around and walked out of the restroom without washing. This was at the end of the game when there were lines in the bathroom, so it's not like their poor bathroom hygiene went undetected by others. I then went, washed my hands and left. As I was exiting the rink, I made my wife hold the exit door since I had just washed my hands. She had gloves on.

Jimmy I have done worse than that but it has nothing to do with being a tough guy, it just has to do with more people washing their hands which might help reduce illness. I know I don't like being sick I'm a bear when I'm sick it irritates the hell out of me that something I can't see can make me feel so bad, I'd rather have an injury that I know how it happened.
And over the years I worked as a janitor in a college science building(also pt at a day care and a rest home) and I did run cultures on many surfaces amazingly the trash barrels next to the professors desk were one of the cleaner places in fact so were the toilet seats . It was the door handles and desktops that had the most filth (germs/viruses/bacteria). But once again if people had easy access to sinks they would wash their hands more and that is where the germs transfer from. Perhaps some people would just wash them because it's right there and it's convenient they wouldn't even have to go in the restroom.

GOOD GOD! I used to fear nuclear war.......bbbbut now I see the real threat
AHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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YES, IT'S A BAD IDEA!!!!!!!! It's not practical to put sinks everywhere. Do you even understand the reality of retrofitting everyplace I mentioned above to put sinks in? No matter what you do, people are going to have dirty hands. Even if people can see, they still won't wash their hands. Do you get it? I was at a Providence Bruins game on Friday and watched as several guys zipped up, turned around and walked out of the restroom without washing. This was at the end of the game when there were lines in the bathroom, so it's not like their poor bathroom hygiene went undetected by others. I then went, washed my hands and left. As I was exiting the rink, I made my wife hold the exit door since I had just washed my hands. She had gloves on.

I did not say everywhere I said restrooms and eventually all bathrooms get remolded. At sporting events I'm not suprised who doesn't think there a animal when there; even I do but I wash my hands to get the crap off that I may have picked up from someone else. It has nothing to do with being a tough guy; am I supposed to be impressed by someone NOT washing their hands.

I did not say everywhere I said restrooms and eventually all bathrooms get remolded. At sporting events I'm not suprised who doesn't think there a animal when there even I do but I wash my hands to get the crap off that I may have picked up from someone else. It has nothing to do with being a tough guy; am I supposed to be impressed by someone NOT washing their hands.

no, but you shouldnt worry about the result of others not doing it as much as you apparently do. As I have been saying over and over, its not a big freakin deal. You'll live.

no, but you shouldnt worry about the result of others not doing it as much as you apparently do. As I have been saying over and over, its not a big freakin deal. You'll live.

Hand washing is a big deal! It cost us billions$ in unnecessary emergency room visits because of viruses,germs,bacteria. I have taken your input to mean you are against the idea...ok. Does anyone else think this has any merit and do they have any idea how to go about changing the way things are done.

my point is that the bathroom does not have any more risk of disease than any other part of your environment. Like or not you come in contact with all kinds of germs every day and beleive it or not 99% of the times you walk away ok. While it may be gross that people dont wash there hands after going to the bathroom, there is little implication to your health.
people pee in public pools, kids puke on school buses, people snort coke on dollar bills, people pick their nose, etc...... you'll live.


I think I'll pass on getting a staff infection thank you very much

have you ever had one? all it take is a small cut,scratch or whatever, it ain't fun or comfortable

I'm not sure about your house, but we try to keep fecal matter confined to the bathroom, but if you think it makes no difference there are germs everywhere, I think you need some education on the subject. There are good germs or bacteria too ya know, those are the ones that battle the bad stuff. I don't think fecal bacteria is a good bacteria.

I'll keep washing my hands and bug my kids to do the same

I don't think Jimmy is saying Don't Wash your Hands....he's saying Don't Freak out about the germs.

Which I think is true.......people tend to be overly paranoid about the whole germ thing, Disenfectant This and Hand Sanitizer that. Good ones and Bad ones are everywhere and there really isn't anything you can do to keep yourself germ free...outside of living in a plastic bubble.

If you got kids you might as well just wave the white flag...they go to the Public Petri Dish everyday for school anyways.

Would this help get more people to wash their hands
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u289/ecduzitgood/washhandsplease.gifjust to lighten the mood.

I don't think Jimmy is saying Don't Wash your Hands....he's saying Don't Freak out about the germs.

Which I think is true.......people tend to be overly paranoid about the whole germ thing, Disenfectant This and Hand Sanitizer that. Good ones and Bad ones are everywhere and there really isn't anything you can do to keep yourself germ free...outside of living in a plastic bubble.

If you got kids you might as well just wave the white flag...they go to the Public Petri Dish everyday for school anyways.

exactly, but thats just me tweakin' my story....
I've tried to rephrase it many ways - be a man, dont worry about it, you'll survive, etc....the risk of catching anything from a bathroom is incredibly slim. This thread was about OTHERS washing their hands, not you.

Germs are everywhere....it is not necessarily about the germs and exposure to them...it is about your immunity and ability to fight of infection. Guess how you get immunity: exposure!

Germs are everywhere....it is not necessarily about the germs and exposure to them...it is about your immunity and ability to fight of infection. Guess how you get immunity: exposure!

There are things that we have no immunity to that hand washing can eliminate.

exactly, but thats just me tweakin' my story....
I've tried to rephrase it many ways - be a man, dont worry about it, you'll survive, etc....the risk of catching anything from a bathroom is incredibly slim. This thread was about OTHERS washing their hands, not you.

Yeah, I got that from your 1st post.....

I'm amazed people here are this paranoid about germs considering they Handle eels, pogies, stripers and other fish that swim in their own "toilet" on a regular basis.

you always did understand me.

:hihi:

I don't like getting sick and if more people washed there hands then there would be less sick people. My hand washing isn't going to prevent all illnesses but it does lower my risk of many. I am somewhat surprised that some people have such strong opinions when it comes to hand washing. It only takes a minute and it might just prevent you from getting sick.

I'd be willing to bet that 98+% of the people that do wash their hands do it in a way (majority of the time) to be non-effective at decontamination of the hands.....false sense of security? Have you ever watched a surgeon scrub for an operation?

I'd be willing to bet that 98+% of the people that do wash there hands do it in a way (majority of the time) to be non-effective at decontamination of the hands.....false sense of security? Have you ever watched a surgeon scrub for an operation?

I am sure you are correct but hey I'll take some effort compared to none. At least try to look considerate, civilized or just well mannered.

this thread has evolved from concerns over dirty bathroom door handles to the merits of hand washing to control germs.

this about sums it up....

YouTube - The Odd Couple TV Show Opening Theme Season Two 1970 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af1h4ibpKJA)

this thread has evolved from concerns over dirty bathroom door handles to the merits of hand washing to control germs.

My intentions were to see if anyone knew how to get the practice of put the sinks inside the restroom changed to the outside, some sort of design/code type change. It's all Barry's fault I find myself looking everywhere for change but there doesn't seem to be any.

My intentions were to see if anyone knew how to get the practice of put the sinks inside the restroom changed to the outside, some sort of design/code type change. It's all Barry's fault I find myself looking everywhere for change but there doesn't seem to be any.

write your congressman and get a bill passed that will fund a study on how to get that done and if it needs to be done, to spend our tax money and stimulate the economy and in the end no conclusion will happen because by the time the study about the subject is complete our government will be broke and bankrupt.

Yeah, I got that from your 1st post.....

I'm amazed people here are this paranoid about germs considering they Handle eels, pogies, stripers and other fish that swim in their own "toilet" on a regular basis.

and I just watched a video where a guy grabs a shiner, drops it on the bathroom floor, picks it up ( I assume it was the same one) and eats it:yak5:
didn't even wash it off or get a different one:uhuh::biglaugh::rotf2:

you don't want to get mercer on you, other stuff I understand , your immunity can handle most stuff.
But if your immunity is compromised for whatever reason, overworked and tired or you have a lung disease, you can get sick from others who don't take a moment to wash their hands. THAT is a shame.

Hand washing is the easiest and best way to prevent disease. From the flu to polio. Most viral disease is spread through the fecal/oral route. In other words you've been handed sh!t and ate it without knowing.

write your congressman and get a bill passed that will fund a study on how to get that done and if it needs to be done, to spend our tax money and stimulate the economy and in the end no conclusion will happen because by the time the study about the subject is complete our government will be broke and bankrupt.

I emailed the CDC and got back what I would consider form letter info. It would appear they didn't even read my short message:

Sent: 1/22/2010 12:20:42 PM
To: cdcinfo@cdc.gov
Subject: A possible way to reduce the spread of disease

I would like the sinks for restrooms put outside of the restrooms. I think if everyone handles a door they think is dirty (it is) they will wash their hands.

Benefits:

Less floorspace needed for sinks (both men and women use the same sink).
People would be in the view of other so they would be more likely to wash.(employees must wash)
Less cost because there would be less sickness because of more hand washing.
Less paper towel waste because you wouldn't need the extra piece to open the door.
Less paper towel on the floor because people would be in view of everyone.
The only people I could see being against this would be the people who don't wash now.

What do you think?
How do I go about making this happen?

Their reply:

Thank you for your inquiry to CDC-INFO. In response to your request for information on how the flu virus is spread, related to the current H1N1 flu outbreak, we are pleased to provide you with the following information and resources.

The spread of 2009 H1N1 virus is thought to happen in the same way that seasonal influenza (flu) spreads within homes or communities. Flu viruses are spread mainly from person to person through coughing or sneezing by people who are sick with flu. People may become infected by touching something with flu viruses on it, and then touching their mouth or nose before washing their hands.

This H1N1 flu virus is new. Scientific research is being conducted to better understand its characteristics. Because this is a situation that is rapidly changing with new information available, please visit the CDC website CDC 2009 H1N1 Flu (http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/) where you will find the latest updates posted daily.

Links provided to non-Federal organizations are provided solely as a service to our users. These links do not constitute an endorsement of these organizations or their programs by CDC or the Federal Government, and none should be inferred. The CDC is not responsible for the content of the individual organization web pages found at these links.

Thank you for contacting CDC-INFO Contact Center. Please do not hesitate to call 1-800-CDC-INFO, e-mail cdcinfo@cdc.gov or visit Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (http://www.cdc.gov) if you have any additional questions.

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CDC Publications:

Clean Hands Save Lives!
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http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/pdf/handwashing.pdf

CDC Resources:

2009 H1N1 Flu (Swine Flu) and You
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Interim Guidance for Novel H1N1 Flu (Swine Flu): Taking Care of a Sick Person in Your Home
National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, Influenza Division
CDC H1N1 Flu |Interim Guidance for Novel H1N1 Flu (Swine Flu): Taking Care of a Sick Person in Your Home (http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/guidance_homecare.htm)

Keeping hands clean is 1 of the best ways to prevent the spread of flu (influenza) in a business setting. Washing your hands with soap and water for at least 20 seconds (the time it takes to sing "Happy Birthday" twice) is the best way to keep your hands from spreading a virus. Be sure to wash both sides of the hands, between fingers and under the nails.

If you can't wash your hands with soap and water:
* Alcohol-based hand cleaners containing at least 60 percent alcohol can be used. After applying, rub hands until dry. However, hand rubs should not be used when hands are visibly soiled.
* If you don't have an alcohol-based hand rub, other hand cleaners (that don't have alcohol in them) may kill flu germs on hands. However, there isn't as much information about whether these types of hand cleaners are effective.

Until you are able to get vaccinated, the best way to help fight 2009 H1N1 influenza (flu) is to cover your nose and mouth with a tissue when you cough or sneeze, then throw the tissue away. Wash your hands often with soap and water, especially after coughing or sneezing. Stay home if you're sick, and limit contact with others to keep from infecting them.

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I am afraid that my lack of a college education has put me at a disadvantage because I cannot properly communicate with others. It doesn't even seem as though they read it. I would have at least replied back with a simple:
We will look into the idea.
Thank you, CDC

It's nice to be able to wrap people up as exaggerated stereotypes that never really existed outside of TV Land....Makes dealing with them easier.

for the record I AM a hand washer but I for one would NOT want to wash my hands in the same sink that all men and women have now used......you guys pull out the deal and then turn the faucet on? Now I have to turn on the same faucet? Its like I just touched mr> wiggles. Granted I am then washing my hands, sorry no offense, but still no thanks!

I will take my chances on washing and then having to touch the door handle.

If its so bad to you why dont you carry one of those little bottles of hand sanitizer with you?

for the record I AM a hand washer but I for one would NOT want to wash my hands in the same sink that all men and women have now used......you guys pull out the deal and then turn the faucet on? Now I have to turn on the same faucet? Its like I just touched mr> wiggles. Granted I am then washing my hands, sorry no offense, but still no thanks!

I will take my chances on washing and then having to touch the door handle.

If its so bad to you why dont you carry one of those little bottles of hand sanitizer with you?

I spent a lot of years doing janitorial work and I can tell you from first hand experience the things women pull out in the ladies room that are far worse then what a man might be handling. Plus when it comes to filthy restrooms the womans is the worst hands down, it isn't even a competition, let me just say men don't hover. Plus you don't even want to handle the faucet after a guy ...Why?
I'm not saying "it's so bad" as you put it I am simply saying if more people would wash their hands then we would all be better off. People seem to just look at this has some germaphobic type issue, I'm not a germaphobe I simply find it RUDE AND IGNORANT when people don't wash their hands.

you have to be f'in kidding me? How the hell have I tweaked my response and how have YOU PROVEN me worng???

We are not talking about disease spread via people and objects, we are talking about disease spread FROM THE BATHROOM, no???
I'll say it clearly as possible - random contact with piss or crap via a restroom will not cause you any health issues 99% of the time.
So you want PROOF, versus your nonsense replies - here goes:
random web research -
There are many simple things that protect you from airborne and surface bacteria, the most powerful being your own immune system. People in decent to excellent health can afford to be reckless more often than the very young or the elderly.
While it is obviously unsanitary to not wash your hands after touching dirty surfaces, more often than not, you will come away unscathed. Your body is tough enough
(WHOA ! wasnt I saying this?????)

from web md -
"To my knowledge, no one has ever acquired an STD on the toilet seat -- unless they were having sex on the toilet seat!" says Abigail Salyers, PhD, president of the American Society for Microbiology (ASM).


Common cold germs, like most viruses, die rapidly, and thus may be less of a threat than you think. "Even if you come into contact with particular viruses or bacteria, you'd have to contract them in amounts large enough to make you sick," says Judy Daly, PhD, professor of pathology at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City.

so.....Im way off? You proved me wrong? So, you live your life worrying that some guy with Hep C may crap on his hands and then make some tuna salad for you? That chance is SO SMALL its insane. How do you drive a car? you chance of dying or getting injured is WAY higher than contacting a serious sickness from a restroom!

tell me one illness that is spread by that?

While it may be gross that people dont wash there hands after going to the bathroom, there is little implication to your health.

Jimmy,,, You did write the above posts right????? :fishin:

and if you look,,, I gave you facts that were just the start of some of the things that are very serious and were POST SPECIFIC to your posts,,,,,,,, Correct,,,, :uhuh::uhuh:

As far as your proof,,,,I don't see facts,,, just stuff from random searches (your words) on the internet which = Nonsense,,,,,,,,,,,

I couldn't wait to read this tonight,,,,, I think I struck a nerve,,,:uhuh::uhuh:,,,:rotf2::rotf2:

I spent a lot of years doing janitorial work and I can tell you from first hand experience the things women pull out in the ladies room that are far worse then what a man might be handling. Plus when it comes to filthy restrooms the womans is the worst hands down, it isn't even a competition, let me just say men don't hover.

Funny, when I read Jenn's post I was going to post the same thing.....I was a janitor for a couple years back in and after high School....Women's room were the worst.

Funny, when I read Jenn's post I was going to post the same thing.....I was a janitor for a couple years back in and after high School....Women's room were the worst.

hmm...maybe I am way off on this one, or maybe the "woman" stuff is "acceptable risk" to me. Either way men and womens using the same sink makes for twice the amount of people slobering their germs in one place, no?

Actually with all of the motion sensor style fixtures they have no one would have to touch the faucet, soap or even the paper towel dispenser. And as far as the male and female germs they are for the most part the same. I would just like to make it so more people would wash their hands so that less people would become sick. Businesses could actually put a camera that would monitor employees exiting the restroom and see if they wash their hands.

Businesses could actually put a camera that would monitor employees exiting the restroom and see if they wash their hands.


I was understanding you up to this......but that is rediculous.

I'll show them my nice clean hands....one finger at a time.

I was understanding you up to this......but that is rediculous.

I'll show them my nice clean hands....one finger at a time.

Then I guess you don't wash your hands then; do you? Cameras are everywhere so it shouldn't matter, and if it has to do with the food industry then it should be mandatory.

I wash 'em...but I'll be damned if I have to be monitored to prove it.

why don't they just put cameras in the stalls just to make sure we wipe our arse.....thats basic Hygene too.....

For someone so paranoid about the bathroom door handle, have you ever had takout.....enjoy....because you have no idea do you.

I worked with a guy that used to be ultra paranoid about germs and cold....he's always be spraying his lysol and as soon as the temps got down to 70 he's putting on his long johns.....guy was always sick.

Me.....I never worried about the whole uber germ exposure.....I wear short sleeves year round, never get a flu shot.....the 7 years I worked there i missed one day of work....I'll stick to my way of doing things, Thank You

I wash 'em...but I'll be damned if I have to be monitored to prove it.

why don't they just put cameras in the stalls just to make sure we wipe our arse.....thats basic Hygene too.....

For someone so paranoid about the bathroom door handle, have you ever had takout.....enjoy....because you have no idea do you.

I worked with a guy that used to be ultra paranoid about germs and cold....he's always be spraying his lysol and as soon as the temps got down to 70 he's putting on his long johns.....guy was always sick.

Me.....I never worried about the whole uber germ exposure.....I wear short sleeves year round, never get a flu shot.....the 7 years I worked there i missed one day of work....I'll stick to my way of doing things, Thank You

The whole point was the spread of germs and if people will just wash their hands more then there will be less illness simple. Am I wrong about hand washing? I was a janitor for about 10 years so if I was any kind of germaphobic type person I never could have done that. Cameras in the stalls read your signature it covers that idea.
And the take out food come on I was a part time bus boy when I was a teenager so I know and I also drink from soda cans that maybe a rat walked across you are missing the point.

The whole point was the spread of germs and if people will just wash their hands more then there will be less illness simple. Am I wrong about hand washing? I was a janitor for about 10 years so if I was any kind of germaphobic type person I never could have done that. Cameras in the stalls read your signature it covers that idea.
And the take out food come on I was a part time bus boy when I was a teenager so I know and I also drink from soda cans that maybe a rat walked across you are missing the point.

Not missing the point at all......you stated having cameras watching you wash your hands....correct. I think that is rediculous......that was my stand on that statement.

it has nothing to do with hand washing...it has everything to do with my privacy.

YOU are the one that turned it around in to me not washing my hands and made it a hand washing issue..

I was also a Janitor for 3 years and I was in the Navy for 7.....probably washed just as many toilets as you in that 7 year span. I was also a dishwasher and and worked for a catering company and saw what goes on there too....

anybody else feel strongly about people viewing and recording their personal cleaning habits?

Whether a person washes his/her hands is not a personal privacy issue it has an effect on the public therefore I see no harm in people possibly being observed when doing so. Why would a person not want anyone to see them wash their hands? Do you wait until there is no one in the restroom before you wash yours or is this just the slippery slope type of reasoning?

sorry Dad, I'm staying out of this. Its getting way too wacky.

sorry Dad, I'm staying out of this. Its getting way too wacky.

Me to,,,, hope your well RIJIMMY

You ain't kiddin......He's right....my signature does say it all.....I think I'm bailing on this argument too....

I think I'll go take a leak and then make some Meatballs....

Nice guys, label me then bail rather than admit that it was you guys that dragged this thread to the point of absurdity. I ask a simple question and you felt you had to challenge the idea so I defend my idea but you persist in throwing out opinions until it is me that looks bad. :rollem:

La-La-La I can't hear you La-La-La

http://imagecache5.art.com/p/LRG/26/2678/5YAUD00Z/richard-stacks-chimpanzee-with-its-fingers-in-its-ears.jpg

That is very funny...I just wish it was your first reply to this thread.

I think we can all agree we got a bad case of cabin fever.....:rotf2::rotf2:

:hee:

La-La-La I can't hear you La-La-La

http://imagecache5.art.com/p/LRG/26/2678/5YAUD00Z/richard-stacks-chimpanzee-with-its-fingers-in-its-ears.jpg

i hope that monkey washes his hands after he takes them out of his ears, can you imagine the germs in his ears...or should he wash them before he put them into his ears? Which is worse?

Neither, animals don't wash their hands.

Although it may appear as though I have gotten no closer to seeing some sort of change I have at least planted the idea in a few peoples minds which might eventually lead to it's fuition.

I think we can all agree we got a bad case of cabin fever.....:rotf2::rotf2:

Yup, spreading fast

IMDb Video: Cabin Fever (http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi2162754329/)

Neither, animals don't wash their hands.

Although it may appear as though I have gotten no closer to seeing some sort of change I have at least planted the idea in a few peoples minds which might eventually lead to it's fuition.

actually I used to wash my hands but since this thread I no longer do just so I can prove you're nuts. :jump1:

actually I used to wash my hands but since this thread I no longer do just so I can prove you're nuts. :jump1:

You have gotten yourself worked up to the point of insults..nice guy, I definitely won't be shaking your hand.

I guess this one wins the Cabin Fever' 09-'10 honors.....
Due to reported posts...and before this "dirty" :rotf2: thread can go any further...I'm going to shut it down...