Two different people told me this morning that Obama's real name is Barry Sorrento..........with a straight face. Any truth to this.

Has TO BE A JOKE, HAS TO BE..........

I heard the same thing. He's actually Jewish but wanted to make believe that he's Muslim and would not present his birth cert. so the nut case conspiracy theorists would get elavated blood pressure and all die off.

Barry Soetoro

I heard it too.

I wonder what the source of this rumor is.

I heard the same thing. He's actually Jewish but wanted to make believe that he's Muslim and would not present his birth cert. so the nut case conspiracy theorists would get elavated blood pressure and all die off.
This certainly makes the most sense.

Or...

Barry was his nickname when he was younger. Soetoro is the surname of his mother's second husband.

Of course it's all moot as his birth certificate is a forgery anyway.

-spence

I heard he was changing his name to Scott Brown

This certainly makes the most sense.

Or...

Barry was his nickname when he was younger. Soetoro is the surname of his mother's second husband.

Of course it's all moot as his birth certificate is a forgery anyway.

-spence

according to the Wiki Faux-bama Bio...he was "Barry" until he went to college...probably got more action with the ladies with a name like Barack Hussein Obama....sounds so "exotic"....there are also reports that he was registered in his school in Jakarta as Barry Soetoro...don't know when he went back to Obama...don't know alot about ole Barry....

I wonder what the source of this rumor is.

Search Barry Soetoro on Google, there is (too) much to post here. Try the youtube links.

....there are also reports that he was registered in his school in Jakarta as Barry Soetoro...don't know when he went back to Obama...don't know alot about ole Barry....
It makes perfect sense for him to have registered under his step-father's name considering he was going to school in Jakarta.

Imagine had they discovered he was a Jew?

-spence

It makes perfect sense for him to have registered under his step-father's name considering he was going to school in Jakarta.

Imagine had they discovered he was a Jew?

-spence

not sure that I've seen anyone suggest that Obama might be a Jew? Did he attend a Jewish school?...or have any Jewish parents that have recently surfaced or talk with George Stephanopolous about his Jewish Faith?
Obama Anti-Israel ? ....YES, absolutely.....
Obama Jewish? ....Is this some kind of Madeline Albright epiphany?

hey, maybe this explains why the First Family blew off Christmas Mass....they'd already celebrated Haunakah instead:rotf2:

Sounds like a job for Ken Starr. It's less outrageous than the concentration camps he was supposed to build for dissenters.

Of course it's all moot as his birth certificate is a forgery anyway.

-spence

hey Spence, just to clarify, I don't think that the so-called "birthers" have claimed that Obama's birth certificate is a forgery...what they HAVE pointed out is that the only document that has been made available to the public is a "certificate of live birth" which is quite different from a long form birth certificate, which would include all of his birth information...this being such an historic presidency and all, you'd think that Obama would want his public to know as much as possible about his fabled life story...but rather...he and a team of lawyers have spent a tremendous amount of money and effort to seal and keep sealed his long form birth certificate....seems such a little thing to ask of the "Transparency President":rotf2:

hey Spence, just to clarify, I don't think that the so-called "birthers" have claimed that Obama's birth certificate is a forgery...what they HAVE pointed out is that the only document that has been made available to the public is a "certificate of live birth" which is quite different from a long form birth certificate, which would include all of his birth information...this being such an historic presidency and all, you'd think that Obama would want his public to know as much as possible about his fabled life story...but rather...he and a team of lawyers have spent a tremendous amount of money and effort to seal and keep sealed his long form birth certificate....seems such a little thing to ask of the "Transparency President":rotf2:
Yes, but only a freak would continue to "believe" when the State of Hawaii clearly uses and recognizes both as legal birth records.

-spence

only a freak would have one or the other "sealed" :uhuh:

only a freak would have one or the other "sealed" :uhuh:
Because he didn't, the news story reporting as such was made up.

The Certificate of Life Birth is a legal Birth Certificate and has been made available numerous times.

The State of Hawaii has confirmed Obama was born in that state.

But, but, but, but...

-spence

blah..blah...blah...let's see the little baby footprints...for posterity...what's he hiding?

Scott..
who's your dealer.. I think you have some good pot :D
but it's making you a bit paranoid man....

Scott..
who's your dealer.. I think you have some good pot :D
but it's making you a bit paranoid man....

no...see the "paraniod" guy has his birth certificate sealed...I'd be happy to show you mine...little footprints and all :rotf2:
and we know that Barry is is BIG smoker...

snopes.com: Barack Obama Birth Certificate (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp)

Spence is the only one that has said it's a forgery....I don't see any footprints...

These posts are amusing.

Nothing new to piss and moan about, so let's turn to complete fabrications.

These posts are amusing.




you got that right brotha...I was up in my office chuckling at the thought of Spence on the phone with the Satate of Hawaii all moring...hope he takes into account the time difference:rotf2:

you got that right brotha...I was up in my office chuckling at the thought of Spence on the phone with the Satate of Hawaii all moring...hope he takes into account the time difference:rotf2:

No, they usually respond pretty quickly to my calls.

-spence

I don't see any footprints...

Birth certificate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_certificate)


"Most hospitals in the U.S. issue a souvenir birth certificate which typically includes the footprints of the newborn. However, these birth certificates are not legally accepted as proof of age or citizenship, and are frequently rejected by the Bureau of Consular Affairs during passport applications. Many Americans believe the souvenir records to be their official birth certificates, when in reality they hold little legal value."

hey, do you think that's the certificate that they used to enroll Barry in the Muslim school in Jakarta as Barry Soetoro?

I think Al Quida's ability to put out a fake birth anouncement 50 years ago proves they are a worthy opponent.

you guys and your crazy conspiracies....so according to Spence, Obama(Soetoro) is actually a Jew and his birth certiuficate is a forgery .....and now Al Qaeda issued his birth announcement?

you should have stuck with Hillary :uhuh:

shouldn't it look more like this with more "info"? I'm pretty sure they were still using typewriters back then too...

That thing that Dad posted looks just like my car title issued in 2007 and nothing like a 1960's era birth certificate/certificate of live birth or anything else....I guess, from the info...we can certify that Obama was indeed born...and apparently born live................somewhere....

snopes.com: Obama's Occidental College Records / Meet the Soetoros (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/occidental.asp)

snopes.com: Obama's Occidental College Records / Meet the Soetoros (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/occidental.asp)

If people did that, what would scott and Fly Rod have to post about then?

you do know that Snopes is a husband and wife team with a liberal bias working in their basement right?

I guess if you'll vote for Obama you'll believe almost anything :rotf2:

let's review:

we've established that Barack Barry Hussein Soetoro Obama does infact exist and some combination was born live

SPENCE stated that his birth certificate was a forgery..

I corrected him and pointed out that the claim is not that his birth certificate is a forgery but that the certificate of live birth that is offered is not a long form birth certificate or certificate of live birth and some wonder why the latter has been sealed..

Dad posted a pic of the example offered as proof

I posted a pic of an actual Hawaii certificate of live birth from the period(you can compare the two and decide)

you can decide whether or not it matters or is important..I personally think it matters very little at this point but it is an interesting topic made interesting only by that fact that the Transparency President has chosen to keep sealed the information on his long form birth record...I have an inquiring mind and have little trust in someone who has demonstrated himself to by so utterly dishonest....

it's also great fun to watch the Obamorons get their ire up over something so insignificant and drag their knuckles over to Snopes for THE final word on "everything" and then beat their chests in triumph :rotf2:

try to maintain a sense of humor will ya...it's going to really get ugly and were going to need eachother:uhuh:

"For the record: We're not Jewish (not that it should matter to anyone save anti-semites), we don't live in the San Fernando Valley (and never have), and neither one of us is a Democrat ("liberal" or otherwise). Barbara's a Canadian citizen who couldn't possibly have an affiliation with a U.S. political party, and I'm officially registered as an independent. Neither of us has ever made a donation to a political party or candidate, worked on behalf of a political campaign (either on a paid or volunteer basis), or publicly endorsed or supported any party, candidate, or political cause (not even to the extent of displaying a bumper sticker, putting up a yard sign, or wearing a campaign button). Someone didn't know how to do basic investigative research, and it wasn't us." - David P. Mikkelson, Co-founder Snopes.com

I was thinking Snopes can't always be right too.
To some guys Snopes is the final word. Weird how people believe everything they see on a web site.

that's what they all say...they didn't say they weren't in a basement :rotf2:

clearly they operate from their basement with no agenda whatsoever:rotf2:

just remember...when you quote snopes...you are quoting Dave Mikkelson and his wife....if that's your source for the final word...so be it....

Hey...look what I snoped

snopes.com: Weapons of Mass Destruction Quotes (http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp)

Hey...look what I snoped

snopes.com: Weapons of Mass Destruction Quotes (http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp)

Can't be right then if its from Snopes...or is it only right when it suits what you are saying but bogus when it debunks it.

Can't be right then if its from Snopes...or is it only right when it suits what you are saying but bogus when it debunks it.

haaa:rotf2::rotf2:...I think you've stated before Kevin...all depends on your particular view....

Hey...look what I snoped

snopes.com: Weapons of Mass Destruction Quotes (http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp)
Use the search tool, you'll find I've already provided valuable context for this entry.

-spence

Use the search tool, you'll find I've already provided valuable context for this entry.

-spence

"valuable context"....like a Gibbs press conference :rotf2:

This is funny. The Cheney method of debate. "I ignore any evidence you have, thus must be wrong."

This is funny. The Cheney method of debate. "I ignore any evidence you have, thus must be wrong."
Be nice, it's all he has.

-spence

Seek the facts and truth, not fuel for hatred.

This is funny. The Cheney method of debate. "I ignore any evidence you have, thus must be wrong."



snopes says the "Cheney method of debate" is to shoot your opponent in the face with a shotgun....

I don't know where you got that other stuff, you have it in quotes, is that actually a Cheney quote, or are you making things up again?

so now we need Spence...the ultimate spinner.... to put Snopes, the last word on everything as determined by a husband and wife in a basement somewhere, into context?....gimme a break

snopes says the "Cheney method of debate" is to shoot your opponent in the face with a shotgun....

I don't know where you got that other stuff, you have it in quotes, is that actually a Cheney quote, or are you making things up again?

so now we need Spence...the ultimate spinner.... to put Snopes, the last word on everything as determined by a husband and wife in a basement somewhere, into context?....gimme a break

I don't think Snopes says that...why are you making things up again?

-spence

Use the search tool, you'll find I've already provided valuable context for this entry.

-spence

You are getting more Obama like every post:rotf2:

I don't think Snopes says that...why are you making things up again?

-spence

What else is he to do when he doesn't have any other ammo?

He's just reaffirming my comment.

which comment? the one where you quoted Cheney?

"I ignore any evidence you have, thus must be wrong."

I can't locate that quote anywhere, not even on Snopes...but it's really brilliant if you made it up yourself...:rotf2:

hey that's a compliment from me to both you and Spence in the same thread...thank me later...

Barry's birth certificate is most likely a true document.
The problem that comes to mind is that it DOESN'T look like it was issed in 1961, but in 2008, so that even though it is a legal document, it could contain incorrect information.

I agree that it should contain more information than that.

I don't want to fuel the fanatics any further, but what if "someone" were to get a blank form and type in what they wanted?
If there is no raised/notary seal on the document then how can anyone prove it's authentic?

I don't think Snopes says that...why are you making things up again?

-spence

snopes says the "Cheney method of debate" is to shoot your opponent in the face with a shotgun....

Spence...it's called "sarcasm"...I thought you were a bit of a proponent in a recent post...maybe not...sorry these things keep going right over your head...

I even went with the Cheney bashing sarcasm.....and barely a pulse....just a blank stare

which comment? the one where you quoted Cheney?

"I ignore any evidence you have, thus must be wrong."

I can't locate that quote anywhere, not even on Snopes...but it's really brilliant if you made it up yourself...:rotf2:

hey that's a compliment from me to both you and Spence in the same thread...thank me later...

It wasn't my intention to say that was a quote from Cheney, but that is the method of how he tries to discredit people. Here's an example of how Cheney chooses to ignore facts:
It did not matter that Mohamed ElBaradei, head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, was finding no evidence of an Iraqi nuclear weapons program. None of that mattered to Vice President Cheney, who warned of a "reconstituted" nuclear weapons program, promoted the nonexistent Prague meeting and went after legitimate critics with a zealousness that Tony Soprano would have admired: "We will not hesitate to discredit you," Cheney told ElBaradei and Hans Blix, the other important U.N. inspector.
Richard Cohen - Ignoring the Facts - washingtonpost.com (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/16/AR2005111601881.html)

And the youtube:
YouTube - Hans Blix: "Cheney threatened to discredit me" (Closed Captioned) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVldccu5RmQ)

Hans Blix??? :rotf2::rotf2::rotf2::rotf2:

Barry's birth certificate is most likely a true document.
The problem that comes to mind is that it DOESN'T look like it was issed in 1961, but in 2008, so that even though it is a legal document, it could contain incorrect information.

I agree that it should contain more information than that.

I don't want to fuel the fanatics any further, but what if "someone" were to get a blank form and type in what they wanted?
If there is no raised/notary seal on the document then how can anyone prove it's authentic?
The document was from 2007, that's when that specific copy was pulled and notarized.

-spence

The document was from 2007, that's when that specific copy was pulled and notarized.

-spence

don't you mean?...fabricated :uhuh: :rotf2:

don't you mean?...fabricated :uhuh: :rotf2:

Just to be sure we're square, Hans Blix was found to be pretty much 100% correct on his Iraq findings...

#^&#^&#^&#^& Cheney? Not so much...

-spence

Just to be sure we're square, Hans Blix was found to be pretty much 100% correct on his Iraq findings...

#^&#^&#^&#^& Cheney? Not so much...

-spence

What are you talking about? There are millions of WMDs in Iraq. They're just buried under too much sand, or was it that they were shipped off to other countries, or Saddam must have destroyed them.

What are you talking about? There are millions of WMDs in Iraq. They're just buried under too much sand, or was it that they were shipped off to other countries, or Saddam must have destroyed them.

IMO it's all of the above.

Just so you know, we're not talking about a nuclear bomb here.
And they did find some chemical weapons that would have done a number on an American city if they got in the wrong hands.

But come on, why would a great guy like Saddam ever give them to someone who would kill Americans

Spence posted some valuable info on this somewhere. Instead of using Snope for now on, search Spence.:)

IMO it's all of the above.

Just so you know, we're not talking about a nuclear bomb here.
And they did find some chemical weapons that would have done a number on an American city if they got in the wrong hands.

But come on, why would a great guy like Saddam ever give them to someone who would kill Americans

Spence posted some valuable info on this somewhere. Instead of using Snope for now on, search Spence.:)

You're right. Why would Saddam do that? Although, he probably wouldn't There is more terrorism in Iraq today than there was 8 years ago. Saddam wasn't a terrorist, he was a vile, dictator. His goals were to increase his power, not attack America any way possible. You seem to have bought into the propaganda. We have the absolute best intelligence agencies in the world and you're telling me that they were able to track the detailed operations going on inside specific buildings but then couldn't track warehouses full of weapons and weapon-making materials being transported?

The whole WMD excuse is still a joke.

You're right. Why would Saddam do that? Although, he probably wouldn't There is more terrorism in Iraq today than there was 8 years ago. Saddam wasn't a terrorist, he was a vile, dictator. His goals were to increase his power, not attack America any way possible. You seem to have bought into the propaganda. We have the absolute best intelligence agencies in the world and you're telling me that they were able to track the detailed operations going on inside specific buildings but then couldn't track warehouses full of weapons and weapon-making materials being transported?

The whole WMD excuse is still a joke.

I think your forgetting that we went to war twice with Saddam. He had every reason in the world to harm America. He killed thousands of his own. Our intelligence was not very good. Ask Kerry, he was on the intellgence commitee.

I think your forgetting that we went to war twice with Saddam. He had every reason in the world to harm America. He killed thousands of his own. Our intelligence was not very good. Ask Kerry, he was on the intellgence commitee.

You mean the war where there was a fully supported international coalition that cost the US approximately $60billion with the US role paid for mostly by the Saudis?

He had no reason to harm America knowing fully the complete wrath of destruction that would be brought down on him. He had no allies and as such, no political support. In the first war, it took 100 hours for the US led forces to defeat Iraq.

Not to mention, there's still no proof.

You mean the war where there was a fully supported international coalition that cost the US approximately $60billion with the US role paid for mostly by the Saudis?

He had no reason to harm America knowing fully the complete wrath of destruction that would be brought down on him. He had no allies and as such, no political support. In the first war, it took 100 hours for the US led forces to defeat Iraq.

Not to mention, there's still no proof.

Knowing fully the complete wrath of destruction that would be brought down on him. He continued to toy with that pathetic organization and Hanns and his experts.

It took about the same amount of time the second time too.

But then we continue to deal with who JD?:confused:

I think your forgetting that we went to war twice with Saddam.
You are correct, and neither time had much of anything to do with WMD.

-spence