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Typical, isn't it?

Wasn't there something 13-14 years ago with Poison PB&J on Monomoy to trim the Seagull fleet to protect plovers? That got squashed too IIRC.

yep, but the seagull poisoning happened. Some folks on SOL said some of the seagulls fell from the sky and through drivers' windshields. That would have been hilarious. I haven't been able to find any pictures :-(

Typical, isn't it?

Wasn't there something 13-14 years ago with Poison PB&J on Monomoy to trim the Seagull fleet to protect plovers? That got squashed too IIRC.Right along with the Sharpshooter from "out west' brought in to kill the coyotes.The "egg shaking" of the herring gulls.And... as you say the kamakazi gulls dropping out of the sky in town from that poisoning.Still this is going to fall back on those Dirty,Gas--guzzler,Ugly,Beach wrecking,PloverKilling machines.because that's the only thing left to blame:uhuh:

....oh sure, protect the dogfish and poison the crows, brilliance.:fury:

When does this nonsense end?:smash: Enough is enough already!:fury: I love animals and i am for protecting them if endangered but these plovers are freaking ridiculus! Stupid question....are these plovers on the Cape the only ones left in the world? If not then why do they care about them so much?

The whole plover situation is a bunch of crap. However, one good thing about killing off the crows and preserving the nests is preventing the plovers from additional nesting attempts which, someone please correct me if I'm wrong, could be up to 2 additional times resulting in the beaches being closed even longer.

If they make another nesting attempt, then that's something like 3 weeks of incubation followed by at least a month until the chicks fledge.

yep, but the seagull poisoning happened. Some folks on SOL said some of the seagulls fell from the sky and through drivers' windshields.
And now seagulls are falling dead from the sky. I don't know how much longer I'll be able to report...Oh, the humanity....

as god is my witness... I thought turkeys could fly.

as god is my witness... I thought turkeys could fly.

They can.:smash:

what the %$%$%$%$ is so special about the plover? let evolution's chips fall where they may.... its obvious that the plover's plight is being used to protect people's waterfront property and bar the public from public lands....

I don't get it, other than what has been said about the plover having become the poster child for those that wish to remove access to the public from public lands.

Isn't Cape Wind a menace to these things too?

87 pairs.. that is 174 birds

How did they count 87 pairs the same way they count stripedbass?

How did they count 87 pairs the same way they count stripedbass?

Probably twice as many people counting those damn birds than counting the entire SB population.

The Seashore is home to about 87 pairs of piping plovers. The small, sand-colored birds and their nests must be protected under the Federal Endangered Species Act.

And how can they say that crows are the primary predator? Fox,Mink?

Must be the same people that counted the mated pairs

The Seashore is home to about 87 pairs of piping plovers. The small, sand-colored birds and their nests must be protected under the Federal Endangered Species Act.

And how can they say that crows are the primary predator? Fox,Mink?

Must be the same people that counted the mated pairs

Lets see can we count the ways....Fox - Skunk - Coyote - Raccoon - Mink-- Osprey - Eagle - Owls - Falcon - Crow - Rat - Snake - Children - Rangers - Storms - Tides ETC...... and the powers that are protecting the plovers are targeting CROWS! Gee I wonder if they know the difference between a Raven and a Crow??

Seems to me that the presence of humans on the beach will help deter all the above from hanging around in our presence.

Ridiculous !!!

I think it all boils down to GRANT MONEY.
Think about it. Plovers---- Seals----Whales----GreatWhite Sharks----.
Grant money,Grant money,Grant money,Grant money,Grant money

GF, a couple of years back they trapped out all of the fox and skunks up top. At one point the skunks were thicker than gulls there - when you walked up to your truck at night you approached it with trepidation. If it was a new moon I usually circled around mine with my necklight on checking under it and especially in the tracks. More than one guy I know got a spraydown.

Haven't seen a one out there since, a good 6-7 years.

Who are they to say that a crow's life is any less valuable than a plovers life.

All life is precious and none can be replaced..... is what i told an Elderly woman who questioned me on why i would go out of my way to save the life of an English Sparrow. She said... it's just a sparrow !
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If i hear that they go ahead with the poison nests i'd be tempted to go down there and remove it all because that is just not the right approach.
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Unless they had installed game camera's to prove whats happening to the eggs they cannot just RANDOMLY select a "possible predator" and "order it" to be killed by poisoning it. that's totally illogical.

GF, a couple of years back they trapped out all of the fox and skunks up top. At one point the skunks were thicker than gulls there - when you walked up to your truck at night you approached it with trepidation. If it was a new moon I usually circled around mine with my necklight on checking under it and especially in the tracks. More than one guy I know got a spraydown.

Haven't seen a one out there since, a good 6-7 years.

same thing was done at Monomoy and parts of Nauset...
I had a talk with the guy they hired to do the trapping..he was so pissed at the audubon people that they sent to help him.. he was going to relocate the skunks to central mass where he is from...but they insisted on drowning them in the burlap bags (he said they won't spray if they are bagged, when trapped, and they can still breathe OK in there) he had them stowed in..he got so pissed he quit, he said they took a little too much glee in doing it too.
I remember the seagull thing, that did not work out well, as was cancelled after them falling out of the sky over main st. Chatham...and the sharpshooter from out west for the coyotes..
envirowhacks playing God...
wonder who their travel agent is that books their Power Trips for them... :doh:

Stone the crows.....the coyotes.....the skunks and coons.......protect the seals and plovers......ban shellfishing........don't even think about it.........

Who are they to say that a crow's life is any less valuable than a plovers life.

Unfortunately, the Endangered Species Act along with lobbying by the National Audubon Society.

All life is precious... as long as it is cute, cuddly and furthers an agenda.

All life is precious... as long as it is cute, cuddly and furthers an agenda.

Minor edit: All life is precious... as long as someone is willing to give $$$ to protect it.

it nearly wiped out the Condor population

it made all the eggshells so super thin
that the egg sitting parent would crush
all the eggs and they'd dehydrate

there was also a problem with poisoning ground hogs
because the cattle would step into the holes and snap
a leg and then get put down.... so they poisoned
the crap out of them....

soon the owls ,eagles, and every other bird of prey
and furry scavenger started eating all these poisoned animals
with disastrous results

and they claim animal trapping is cruelty to animals :doh:

i am not against population control of any species -go for it

but i am definitely against poisoning animals

Plovers, Terns, sand beetles... et al.. the full arsenal of whatever species that is threatened, endangered, etc. ..WILL become extinct at some point, despite the delay, and their usefullness in keeping beaches closed to humans, is why I classify them as "tools" in the warchest of those that would keep us away...

Species go extinct EVERY day... beit mammal, rodent, insect, marine...whatever..ooops there goes another one...

I have posted this video before, so excuse me for the repeat..
BUT Carlin nails it and drives it out of the park...he is so right..
funny... and beware.. PROFANE...but is is Carlin, and he always made his point with profanity...

even if you saw it before, it is still worth a look...
he was soooo Right on, with this one.

YouTube - George Carlin - Saving the Planet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw)

well Karl i got back about an hour ago from the SHOW at the saltpond ctr and "that"[Carlin] was perfect.It will be in the paper tomorrow.I'll comment after reading.I want to see if they saw what I saw/see!:rotf2:

carl , it they let me. i would get the stuffed owl decoy, a crow call and my 12guage and take care of the crows in one day ,no sweat.... also black birds and robins and seagulls and the tweetie birds too, after a 12pack of bud. o ya the coyoto's too !!!! save the plover. and the seals......let gods decided:uhuh:

video = the truth...i couldnt have said it better

Dave, I'll buy ya the 12 pack and the 12 gauge shells...

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sounds like the usual NPS dog and pony show...be interested to hear your observations Bob.. ..

All this over a dozen friggin birds.......stupidest thing I've seen in awhile

i have to say

that i agree totally with everything George Carlin rationalizes

but the method of protecting the Plovers
has ALREADY gone to the extreme

by Violating the access Rights of the Fishermen

And taking it a Step Higher.....

By Poisoning everything that might eat an EGG

is TAKING it way beyond The extreme....
as the other animals have the right to survive(live) as well

Crows are hated by other birds because they eat eggs
and baby birds right out of the Nests in the Spring

this is natures way and NATURE knows best
it will release its own "fix" in due time.
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Bob i don't want to anger you... nor anyone
for that matter......
but! some BATTLES "are" just worth having

and if that means you have to stay away from home
or go drinking some beers with your Buddies
in the man caves for awhile...so be it... i always say...
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our own Government has poisoned its own people
in the United States for a very Long time
citing well....it was an acceptable risk factor
if a certain percentage of the population
dies from the use of this particular prescription.

their name is the federal drug administration

raven;that's why I took the time to go and listen to what is being said from all fronts.Instead of spouting off at any particular representitive of the issue i studied the visual and the verbal pieces presented.1st off the whole issue personnally about the birds[plovers] is noble BUT the rest IS total B/S.This is all about REVENUE plain and simple.the best part was when a series of photographs were presented showing the crowd at Marconi Beach in July.A pair of plovers nested near the stairs to the beach.The fenced off area took up the foredune[where the nest is located] and to the waterline below the hightide mark.Each tide would take out parts of the fencing and had to be replaced after each tide.The Park finally had to station a PERSON at the fencing to prevent people from walking in the area.The people were packed like Coney I. in a small area.As the tide rose the area got smaller with finally people were actually in the foredune due to NO BEACH.The Parks problem is erosion.Just like every other town on the Cape.The beaches with parking lots[big ones and small] are losing revenue.The birds are nesting closer to the lots themselves so the rules are now effecting the tar.The orv crowd has had to suck up the no negotiation b/s for over25yrs.In the printed material handed out before the "forum" stated"We have begun consultation with the US F&w svc.,the federal agency responsible for the enforcement of the Plover Recovery Plan,on an overall approach which would allow us to impact potential nesting sites at our LIFEGUARDED BEACHES,while increasing productivity at other locations."This is not about the birds.It's about money.Now the POISON issue.The biologist who will be doing the "baiting"stated that the poison dissapates in the bird after ingestion quickly and is harmless even before the death of the ingested bird.Rendering the carcus harmless to scavengers.A number of people stated different findings of their own on this matter.Id say appx. 20 people stood at the microphone and asked questions and comments.The ones who were conspicuously absent [at the mike] were the Audobon people.They were in the audience but silent.Need I say more.A couple of MBBA [jackets] folks were in the audience also.So I'll bet they also saw through the smoke so to speak.I could go on and on.I'm waiting to see if this is going to be slid by the public in the next few weeks.

Thanks for that clarification.

I am all worked up about other Life issues so therefore
sometimes there is transference ....

i am desperately trying to remain in Lurker mode.

Thanks Saltyfly (Bob)... excellent update, and about what I expected...

Raven I think you were responding to the other Bob's post..that is now gone...but I could be wrong... but I understand TBob's POV too!

Saltfly.. the next meeting is Wed night.. another I cannot attend..
will it be worth your time to go to that venue??, or do you, as I, feel it will just be a replay...of the famous dog and pony show, that the NPS, does so well...

karl; I'd say it's a repeat of the same information in a different location.the center for Coastal Studies is a smaller venue so it could be a better place to "air" but ...I'd like to know how MBBA feels about being excluded from any plan to RELAX the closure areas on the beach.

lets hope that the NPS will rethink there thinking when the numbers are down on people useing the ORV...I havent bought a seasonal pass in 5 years I now just buy weekley tired of spending $$$ and cant use it,because of the dam birds
imho the only way to fix this is let people use the park and let nature do her job... I know this will not happen all we can do is hope!!!!!!!!

lets hope that the NPS will rethink there thinking when the numbers are down on people useing the ORV...I havent bought a seasonal pass in 5 years I now just buy weekley tired of spending $$$ and cant use it,because of the dam birds
imho the only way to fix this is let people use the park and let nature do her job... I know this will not happen all we can do is hope!!!!!!!!NOT HOPE "FIGHT" this is really the loophole that THEY are creating to get some relief to the situation.Sit back and do nothing you get nothing.Your[and mine] money is just as good as anyone elses and should be treated as such.The orv crowd pays for the access and monitoring why can't be part of the situation that's being proposed?

All good points salyfly
I hope it is brought to their attention
thanks

Save the planet, kill yourself.

CANCELLED.

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No surprise.

Why do we get involved? Who are we to say that one species is more important than another? For millions of years, nature has been left to its own devices with species coming and going, as only the strong survive.

Plovers aren't like Bengal Tigers or Pandas that are at risk because humans came in and Effed up their world. Plovers choose the most exposed areas to nest, lay only 1-2 eggs and are horribly territorial and particular with where they nest.

Leave them alone.

Who are they to say that a crow's life is any less valuable than a plovers life.

All life is precious and none can be replaced..... is what i told an Elderly woman who questioned me on why i would go out of my way to save the life of an English Sparrow. She said... it's just a sparrow !.

that's about as idiotic as saying:
GOTTA DIE FROM SUMTHIN :doh:

I have JUST one pesky crow and he's gonna be hanging upside down
with wings outstretched to warn the other's that i mean business
at the top of a tree -> swinging back and forth :soon: