How Americans forget. :smash: Back when the Bush Jr. administration was going to use reconciliation the Democrats were bullcrap about it and Obama, Biden,Hillary and others vehemently opposed it. Now these same people think it is the next best thing to Wonder Bread. :wall:

Is the summit a prelude to the Dems using the 51 vote? :fury:
At present the Gop will not go with what is on the table.

Why does the fact that the dems and republicans never agree on anything still come as a surprise to people.

Or the fact that reconciliation has been used 3x more by the right AND it was used to pass COBRA among other bills...

RIR, you mean "had the balls to use it" no?

can no longer afford this time wasting political game

can no longer afford this time wasting political game

I agree - forget the politics.

I think they all need to stop talking to the press. They also need to start having bipartisan get togethers with families once a month. Its hard to continue to insult other politicians when your 4 year old is on a play date with your "enemies" kid. Bring some decorum back to congress.

I agree - forget the politics.

Bring some decorum back to congress.

Very well put. It would be nice to see what could be accomplished if everyone put their differences aside and worked toward what the American people want. Unfortunately, with all the giant egos in politics it will probably never happen.:smash:

Very well put. It would be nice to see what could be accomplished if everyone put their differences aside and worked toward what the American people want. Unfortunately, with all the giant egos in politics it will probably never happen.:smash:

oh...that sounds nice...but... how do you "put your differences aside and work toward what the American people want" when your differences ARE what you believe is actually what the American people want and when your differences are what your beliefs are regarding what is the best for the future of America keeping in line with the principles of it's founding?....the debate is about "the differences"....according to the latest CNN poll...only 25% of the American people want this healthcare debacle....the fundamental point in this debate is exactly the differences between the parties currently and in what each of the two sides believe is the proper role of government....one side wants the government to take over and run healthcare one side wants free market solutions.... one side controls the White House and both houses of Congress ... the American people seem to be greatly favoring free market solutions over ObamaReidPelosicommiecare...

oh...that sounds nice...but... how do you "put your differences aside and work toward what the American people want" when your differences ARE what you believe is actually what the American people want and when your differences are what your beliefs are regarding what is the best for the future of America keeping in line with the principles of it's founding?....the debate is about "the differences"....according to the latest CNN poll...only 25% of the American people want this healthcare debacle....the fundamental point in this debate is exactly the differences between the parties currently and in what each of the two sides believe is the proper role of government....one side wants the government to take over and run healthcare one side wants free market solutions.... one side controls the White House and both houses of Congress ... the American people seem to be greatly favoring free market solutions over ObamaReidPelosicommiecare...


Therein lies the problem. Politicians are elected by the people to represent the people. Somewhere along the line, they decide that the petty backbiting and sniping is more important than doing what their constituents want them to do.

Of course this comes from the top in DC. We have a President who feels that he's so smart that he can decide what the people of America need and want. Apparently the polls that were so relevant back when people wanted "change" are useless now that people are saying they aren't in favor of the HC plan that's being thrust upon them.

For the record, I'm not opposed to HC reform. I'd just like be able to make my own decisions on what's best for my family and not be forced to pay for something I don't agree with.

For the record, I'm not opposed to HC reform. I'd just like be able to make my own decisions on what's best for my family and not be forced to pay for something I don't agree with.


Therein lies the problem too.....Health Care Reform and Health Care Plan are 2 different things.....that, somehow has gotten lost in the shuffle.

It's the way the system was designed. Let's not let critics exaggerate the case. It is no accident, legislation at the federal level is supposed to be difficult. Tip O'Neil said it best, all politics is local, and a country the size of this one, it is so believed, is best governed from that character. It's the meddling long drawn out problems that the seem to gum up the works. On the other hand the system seems adept at solving acute problems.

For the record, I'm not opposed to HC reform. I'd just like be able to make my own decisions on what's best for my family and not be forced to pay for something I don't agree with.

Amen...I haven't heard anyone argue that there aren't reforms that could be made...the Republicans listed quite a few...none of which are even being considered by the dems..
because as Kevin said
"Therein lies the problem too.....Health Care Reform and Health Care Plan are 2 different things.....that, somehow has gotten lost in the shuffle. "

this is not about reform of or improving the current healthcare system for the dems..this is about government take over of the entire healthcare system...most of them have dreamed about this for their entire socialist careers...the doubletalk and smirking and belittling yesterday from Obama and his minions was appalling...they should hold one of these conferences once a week until November so that Americans can watch these creeps in action, drag this out as long as possible...they were on camera and still could not contol their arrogance and petulence...great theatre! it was a HOME RUN :uhuh: