YouTube - Pleasant Bay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2boHW60m8f8&feature=player_embedded)

this was tough for me to watch..
so many memories gone away...
Bill Sargent..(Gov. Frank Sargent's kid) is kinda controversial around here...but it is a good video.

YouTube - Pleasant Bay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2boHW60m8f8&feature=player_embedded)

this was tough for me to watch..
so many memories gone away...
Bill Sargent..(Gov. Frank Sargent's kid) is kinda controversial around here...but it is a good video.

Takes me back in time to see those old cottages on Nauset. Back to 1965 when I'd drive my Volvo up and down the beach searching for Stripers, sitting around the beach campfire at night enjoying the solitude.

Good footage, but tough to watch. I think it is kind of presumptuous of him to attribute that to "sea level rise" but "lefties" like him always have to blame it on civilization. I know that you are aware of this, Karl, but the inlets (Nauset and Chatham) have moved miles in both directions over the past couple of hundred years(I have not seen earlier maps), and the barrier beaches have grown and diminished accordingly. We have seen enough changes in our lifetime to make the same assumption that he does, but this type of change appears to pre-date man's influence.

Very Aware of it... and where the Pochet Washover is, have seen maps as showing THAT to be the inlet to Pleasant Bay, at one point!


Surfcaster... one of these old style volvo's I bet!
I remember when they were popular out there...

http://daddytypes.com/archive/tokyo_volvo_pv445_jalopnik.jpg

brain cell just kicked in...sea level rising....jerkindark...
recently had my land re-surveyed.. for legal reasons.. I found the original subdivision plans from the mid sixties...with the boundries and above sea level indications... the new survey, agreed with the boundry locations, replaced the two missing cement bounds.. and they gps'd all 5 of them, in case the issue I had with the perpatrator re-surfaced, and then presented me with the new plot plan... and ... guess what.. I am now almost 10 feet less above sea level than..
almost 60 years ago... I am sure that there might be some surveyor error..but not 10 feet.. and having been on the outer beaches in the sixties and today... I am inclined to believe that ocean is gaining...or... maybe we is sinking???

My theory is that the seals and dogfish have increased in volume so much over the past 60 years that they forced the level of the water up 10 feet higher than it was when you moved in.

My theory is that the seals and dogfish have increased in volume so much over the past 60 years that they forced the level of the water up 10 feet higher than it was when you moved in.

LMAO:rotf2:

Very Aware of it... and where the Pochet Washover is, have seen maps as showing THAT to be the inlet to Pleasant Bay, at one point!


Surfcaster... one of these old style volvo's I bet!
I remember when they were popular out there...

http://daddytypes.com/archive/tokyo_volvo_pv445_jalopnik.jpg

Mine was all white - great

brain cell just kicked in...sea level rising....jerkindark...
recently had my land re-surveyed.. for legal reasons.. I found the original subdivision plans from the mid sixties...with the boundries and above sea level indications... the new survey, agreed with the boundry locations, replaced the two missing cement bounds.. and they gps'd all 5 of them, in case the issue I had with the perpatrator re-surfaced, and then presented me with the new plot plan... and ... guess what.. I am now almost 10 feet less above sea level than..
almost 60 years ago... I am sure that there might be some surveyor error..but not 10 feet.. and having been on the outer beaches in the sixties and today... I am inclined to believe that ocean is gaining...or... maybe we is sinking???

Age has brought you closer to the ground.

I honestly find 10' in 40 years hard to believe.

Agreed, as I said, could be surveyor error on either plan...

interesting read tho:

As water warms it expands causing sea level to rise. Sea-level rise, which is already occurring, will become a significant problem for low-lying coastal regions (Cape Cod, coastal areas of CT, RI, MA, and NH), affecting both people and coastal wetlands. Currently, the average rate of sea-level rise on the Atlantic coast ranges from 3.5 inches per century in Boston, Massachusetts, to approximately a foot per century in coastal salt marshes in southern Massachusetts.

Different rates of sea-level rise occur at different locations due to local rates of subsidence (settling) or uplift. With the retreat of glacial ice from the region 20,000 years ago, sea coasts began to rebound (or uplift) to a greater or lesser degree from the weight of the ice. The greater the amount of ice removed, the greater the degree of rebound. While portions of the Maine coast may still be rebounding, the coastal areas to the south now appear to be subsiding. About 33 acres of land are lost on Massachusetts' Cape Cod each year- 73% due to advancing seawater and 27% to erosion. A one degree change in ocean temperature would mean a one meter rise in sea level.

The second reason for sea-level rise is the melting of glaciers and ice caps. Clear documentation exists of the recession of approximately 80% of mountain glaciers around the world. There is also limited documentation for a small reduction in the Greenland ice sheet (especially in the southern region).

A last reason for sea-level rise is human activity. As we mine water from aquifers as a source of drinking water, the aquifers recharge more slowly than we empty them, and the mined water finds it's way into the ocean. We also drain wetlands, pumping the water into drainage systems or directly into the oceans. Such direct human activity may account for a third of sea level rise per year. One result of rising sea level is that the saltwater wedge, vital to the health of an estuary, would migrate upstream, causing a shift of marine ecosystems upriver unless freshwater runoff is increased.

Sea-level rise will cause salt water to move into new areas. This is called saltwater intrusion and it could convert some areas of coastal freshwater wetlands to salt marshes. Groundwater could also be affected, as brackish water infiltrates aquifers that supply drinking water to coastal communities. Saltwater intrusion combined with low freshwater flow, could result in a higher chloride water content in important aquifer systems and water supplies. Low flow, a rise in sea level, or both could affect the water supplies in coastal regions. In addition, as sea level continues to rise, the amount of the region's coastal area subject to flooding from coastal storms will increase, especially in areas of low relief. Increases in sea level can cause dramatic changes, as higher sea levels would provide a raised base from which storm surges may sweep inland, allowing for greater and more widespread damage than would occur with lower sea levels. Even if storm strength were not increased, higher sea levels will result in more damage.

source:
Global Environmental Changes: Discovery of Estuarine Environments (DOEE) (http://omp.gso.uri.edu/ompweb/doee/science/global/imp1.htm)

I think the Cape is sinkin aquifer reduction

The Cape is doomed. In 4-5 thousand years only P-town will be left. Only a shoal. In another 2500 even that will be gone. This is from my Conservation Commision days 30+ years ago. I think that book was " A Geologist's View of Cape Cod" or something like that. The continual changes in the shoreline were commented and complaine on by even the earliest colonists. There is nothing new here, the changes seem bigger because there is less left. Enjoy it while you can.

P.S. 10 feet is the average difference between high and low tide on the Cape. I'm not sure if I can buy that..

The Cape is doomed. In 4-5 thousand years only P-town will be left. Only a shoal. In another 2500 even that will be gone. This is from my Conservation Commision days 30+ years ago. I think that book was " A Geologist's View of Cape Cod" or something like that. The continual changes in the shoreline were commented and complaine on by even the earliest colonists. There is nothing new here, the changes seem bigger because there is less left. Enjoy it while you can.

P.S. 10 feet is the average difference between high and low tide on the Cape. I'm not sure if I can buy that..Just think the plovers will be on the Cardinals ballfield in a thousand years.It still mystifies me how these experts can PREDICT decades and centurys ahead but can't tell what the weather will be in 3 weeks.:rotf2:......I still have that book.It's pretty good.

FIREBIRDS..not cardinals, would not want to piss of the MLB..

actually it's Eldridge field, and if anybody ever read the damn deed... what Old man Eldridge wanted that filed used for exclusively, was for the children of residents Orleans to have an open field to play on.. hmm would be a little different than it's current exclusivity....

and when the plovers nest there, baseball will still be played regardless :rolleyes:

The cape, and especially the outer cape from Chatham to Provincetown, is geographically dynamic as sands from Race Point and northern parts of the cape are constantly being swept southward. This has been occurring since the last ice age. The problems with the camps around Nauset beach and the property lining Pleasant Bay are in jeopardy due to this shifting, the breach of the south beach in a recent nor'easter, and possibly also to rising sea levels. However, the earth has been warming for the past 5,000 years and during this time sea levels have been rising, this is just nature.

The intrusion of sea water into fresh water aquifers, if it is occurring, would pose a serious problem for much of the outer cape regardless of whether it is due to changing geology, climate warming or both. For example, much of Provincetown's fresh water supply comes from wells on the property of the old coast guard station on Dewline Rd. in Truro. Should the salinity in that aquifer ever exceed safe limits, it would impact all of Provincetown's residents, not to mention the tourist industry.

Living in Truro, and being on a private well, this topic is obviously of interest to me. While my property is about 120 feet above sea level at last survey, the well is 130 feet deep.

Mine was all white - great
Wicked....I love how the back doors open up

Wicked....I love how the back doors open up

front view Volvo duett P140 (? I think)
made in the 60's... kinda a rare bird..but very cool, and they went great on the sand, think they was all rear posi.

The Cape is doomed. In 4-5 thousand years only P-town will be left. Only a shoal. In another 2500 even that will be gone. This is from my Conservation Commision days 30+ years ago. I think that book was " A Geologist's View of Cape Cod" or something like that. The continual changes in the shoreline were commented and complaine on by even the earliest colonists. There is nothing new here, the changes seem bigger because there is less left. Enjoy it while you can.

P.S. 10 feet is the average difference between high and low tide on the Cape. I'm not sure if I can buy that..

Fred, the guy who did the origianal survey work on our subdivision in the 60's was a known quart or better a day man.. I am just real glad that the boundries..were in the right place, as I know of other subdivisions he did, that years later had problems... he had one whole subdivisions markers all off by 5 feet..and that took years of land court to straighten out...
ah.. the old days on the sandBAR :buds:

The intrusion of sea water into fresh water aquifers, if it is occurring, would pose a serious problem for much of the outer cape regardless of whether it is due to changing geology, climate warming or both. For example, much of Provincetown's fresh water supply comes from wells on the property of the old coast guard station on Dewline Rd. in Truro. Should the salinity in that aquifer ever exceed safe limits, it would impact all of Provincetown's residents, not to mention the tourist industry.

Living in Truro, and being on a private well, this topic is obviously of interest to me. While my property is about 120 feet above sea level at last survey, the well is 130 feet deep.[/QUOTE]

The intrusion of seawater is happening and has been for some time. It's only a matter of time before Provincetown has to build a de-sal plant. My Grandfather was an engineer at the pumping stations on Beach Point and South Hollow after the Cold Storage closed. My Father in Law did pump testsw in P-town in the early to mid 70's. P-Town itself has all the water it needs, BUT, it needs to be treated.. My well is 25-28 feet deep in North Truro, Just about sea level.

cool but sad video...

cool but sad video...

Sometimes, when I think of what was and see what i, I just want to cry. A lot of quality of life has been lost to convience in life. Two different things. I would take a little harder life if the bounty was still there. When Jenn and I were newlyweds our Sunday meals came from the salt. It was a lock. If we tried that now, Sunday would be a fast day. Time was slower then. I'm not real sure what happened....

Photo Gallery (http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/misc?url=/_flash/gallery/gallery.html&Avis=CC&Dato=20100301&Kategori=MEDIA0102&Lopenr=301009999&Ref=PH)

hope this link works...wet Monday..
another front moving in tomorrow...
some big tides too

its so sad.