Unconfirmed reports have been issued in Iran that Osama Bin Laden has been captured!!!

Let's hope that these reports are true!!!

where are the reports - please post link

Go to yahoo!

ok - it wasnt showing - now I see "Pakistan denies report of bin Laden capture"

Damn

though this was cool

Lets hope he is captured...(OBL-Bin laden)

I all for taking OSAMA out, but doesn't bombing muslim countries make us terrorists?

NO!

but i had to answer you! when do we put a stop to these mad men that run terrorist undergrounds!! wait till they drop something on us they brought this upon them selves by coming here and blowing things up!!! just like japan when they bombed pearl harbor its over take them out at the core!! i hope they drop the biggest "bomb" on those troops they should turn there weapons on there cheif and end it now!! if they want to support hussain then they should die like hussain!!:af:

Originally posted by FCAlive
I all for taking OSAMA out, but doesn't bombing muslim countries make us terrorists?

FCA from JP - welcome aboard!

Bombing "Muslim Countries"?

How about waging war on those that have declared war on us? Do you think this is a holy war? Is chasing terrorists now a religous issue versus a political ideology that the terrorists had just 15 years ago? The terrorists then were not "Muslim" but they were Terrorists. And they got chased down too. Although some may be employed by Brown U. :rollem: These are extremists, not your everday Muslim. Half of the leaders are probably just meglomainiacs that use "Religion" and "Jihad" as an EXCUSE to pursue and gain the power they want.

I do not see it as bombing "Muslim Countires", I see it as honoring the threat placed against us.

While I'm not a big fan of the first strike doctrine, if sufficient evidence exists, I will support it case by case (not that anyone calls me for my opinion :doh: ). Sitting around "waiting" for the sky to fall is not a good idea...

That's my story and I'm....

I'm all for taking him out too. The only thing that bothers me is the aftermath.I know we're gonna end up rebuilding Iraq without much help from the rest of the world.We've done this in europe and japan, and what do we get for it - just competition. I don't get it.
I really wish we were good enough to get these leaders through some covert navy seal type operation.Get the dirty dozen back in action, but I guess we don't have much choice - and it certainly has to be dealt with. Dan Rather should have taken Saddam out when he had the chance - would,ve been a cool way to end his career.

Seems to me....troll.....and ya all been gut hooked.....;)

I think it is a troll but its actually a question that is uttered on the news all the time these days so I guess it deserves to be addressed with peoples opinions.

My opinion is that these terrorists didn't care if you were Christian Muslim or Jew in the World Trade center. They just wanted to kill people in the USA. You got to put a stop to that. In fact , maybe you got to do it in a real horrible fashion just to make an example of what happens if you would seek to kill innocent Americans. Too much Mr Nice Guy on our part IMO.

My only concern about what we are doing is why are we waiting and why are we even concerned about the rest of the world's opinion. They attacked the USA , not France or Russia. Who cares what they think?? Lets just go , get it over with in a decisive fashion so we don't have to worry about it again for 100 years.

I'm not so convinced of a Troll - FC has a student's IP address...

what is a troll?

Originally posted by Duke41
what is a troll? Troll - also known as a "Gut Hook" A successful Internet tactic to get a rise out of many viewers... :D

We don't get many good Trolls here :D - not like the old WMI days

Just an eduacted speculation, John, but it has all the marks....1st post, quite controversial (though I must admit, I do not TOTALLY disagree with him), no response since.....etc.

And if it is a student, he is either very dumb or very smart.....

The biggest problem I see is what do we do about the estimated 20 other countries that are supposed to get a bomb within five years? :eek:

Oh, and Duke, to expound on John's definition.....they come in one of two types......"hit and runs" that post and then sit back and laugh, or experienced guys that know just how to get under someone's skin in sutble ways, and then sit back and laugh, but then, after it plays out a bit, come back for the "kill".

The later are a lot more fun.....;) (okay, in a sick sort of way....:D)

I don't really appreciate having my IP address checked.

What if 20 crazy American fundametalists blew up something in China killing 10,000 people and causing massive damage.

Would it be appropriate for China to attack the US?

WAS SUPPORTING THEM FINANCIALY and knew all about the plan china would have every right!! go watch the sept 11 films again i couldnt stand to be an american service man over there fighting for your freedom and having you even speak like your doin i cant stand these protests what are you gonna do spit at them when they come home!! are you an american stand behind your troops give them the support they deserve there putting there lives on the line for you!!:af: a true AMERICAN VETERAN!!

FC how long you think your going to last with posts like that. I know it's a long winter but get with it. And if you want to become a human shield I'm sure we can take up a donation for a one way ticket.

Yes Mikecc........:claps: Couldn't agree with you MORE.........

WE gotta put our foot down sometime.I dont want to be livin in fear because some a$$%^&& with only a lot of sand and a camel to live for, isnt afraid to die for his RELIGIOUS BELEIFS and starts blowin up #^&#^&#^&#^& over here,DROWN THEM IN BLOOD AND SEND THE PICTURES BACK TO THEIR RELATIVES:af:

you beleive in genetically cloning dead iraqis and we"ll grow a nice people :D

I don't want American Servicemen risking their lives for this cause. I don't want anybody to die over our leaders' possible decision to attack Iraq. I question the motives for the war.

If there was a solid connection between the 9-11 terrorists (a few hundred hateful people) and Iraq (tens of millions of innocent people), don't you think we would have heard about it.

If we are worried about terrorism against the United States, attacking Iraq is the last thing we should do (short term or long term). The CIA and FBI say this over and over again.

I think that the powers that be are willing to let the American public be distracted by war and terrorism while they subjugate the rest of the world econimcally with the use of military force. I think that the very wealthy people who govern this country care more about lining their own pockets than they do about you or I (forget about people overseas).

I think education, health care, and corporate reform (or the last thereof) will have a much greater impact on the quality of life of people in this country than Saddam.

Does anybody agree with me?

Going and watching the 9-11 tapes is exactly what those who support the war want.

It is hard to make a rational decision in the face of such powerful emotion.

Is going to War going to make anybody's life better?

Will it make us safer?

Originally posted by mrmacey
you beleive in genetically cloning dead iraqis and we"ll grow a nice people :D
I dont think so. But I would like to have a large pile of OBL's dna for testing.:nailem: :nailem: :nailem: :rocketem: :rocketem: :liquify: :hang: :behead: :gorez: :cheers: :D :happy:

i will not give you the debate i just want to know one thing did they kick you off of every other site with your nonsense and you fell into a fishing site hopeing someone will listen LOOOOOOOZZZZZZZZZAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

GO GETEM BOYS!! drop the mother of all bombs on there @$%!!

i support the war and your g** d*** right i want people to watch the 9/11 footage. did you see the same f****** tape as me or what. whats it gonna take to convince you ? another couple THOUSAND dead. ill bet your opinion will change when someone you love is dead.as far as making life better im sure it would make alot of moms and dads day a bit brighter knowing that their son/daughter is not in a far away land protecting freedom for insignifigant c***su***s like you.
john delete if you must but this f***face deserves a beating.

DONT TREAD ON ME

LET"S USE SPME AMERICAN MIGHT

FDNY let us never forget

hahah

*** I'm pulling that pic as my respect for Uncle Sam believes that he would fron upon giving "The Bird" ***

FC are You a terrorist?

Yo people - his view is not one that I agree with but I don't want to shut him up over this either. Without further ado, I'm bouncing this down to The Scuppers. FC - you picked a helluva first post.

FC - I'll agree that the direct connection between 9/11 & Iraq is loose at best. But after 9/11, war was NOT declared on OBL, or Al Queda. Our government WITH OVERWHELMING support of the rest of us dumb Americans, made it our mission of eradicating global terrorism, particularly those that are a threat to us. Not OBL or Al Queda, but GLOBAL. Now I do not in full agreement that Iraq is the biggest threat right now, and I hope this going to war is based on pretty sound fact instead of just emotion. But from what I have seen, there is sufficient grounds to be very wary of Saddam. Just look at his track record for starters.

As for the highly enlightened people of France, Germany, and Russia? China? They will abstain or veto because this likely war with Iraq does not benefit them as well as status quo. Who do you think provided half Iraq's weapons & technology AFTER the Gulf war? It wasn't Ghanna. France, Russia, AND CHINA all have had political or at least economic dealings with Iraq. Which countries have been very relaxed with Iraq since the early 90s and had been almost as much a hindrance to inspections as Saddam has been - well, you guessed it: France, Russia, & China. Who wooda thunk it? Even under the different leaderships of the time, they were still similar in their looking the other way...

Please don't listen to France, they are one of the LAST countries that can hide from policy being economically motivated. They haven't done the right thing since selling us Louisianna.

OK side tracked a little.

I have not seen war up close & personal so I can't make any comment on that. What I have seen is the long term results of war, and of the dictators and opressive regimes and systems much similar to that of present day Iraq.

OK - enough from me for now.

Gilligan,

What does Iraq have to do with 9-11?



Everybody else,

Why can't you respond to the things I am saying rather than making inflamitory comments and ignoring the issues that I raise.


FCAlive

Saddam Hussein is a threat to regional stability in a region that's not so stable to start with.

Our beef is not with the average Iraqi citizen. Just the bozo who has his finger on the red button connected to a lot of nasty biological and chemical and maybe even radiological weapons programs.

Why are we going to war?

0) We're already in Afghanistan. Might as well kill two birds with one stone while we're deployed.

1) To put some teeth into past U.N. Resolutions that have been flounted.

2) It's easier to deal with crazies who aspire to own nukes...before they actually get them.

3) Iraq has aided and abetted terrorists and their acts.

4) Oil. As much as it pains me to say it.

Oil = $$$. In this country, money talks and bull$hit walks.

-WW

world is ending go protect him fvalive!! he needs you!! iraq as you once knew it is CHANGED FOREVER!!:smash:

MRMACEY,

I don't support Saddam Hussein, I support the right of the country of Iraq to conduct its affairs without the interference of the United States.

If Saddam is such a menace why did we support him before the first Gulf War.
If Saddam is such a menace why haven't we taken him out of power? We have certainly had a chance.
The only conclusion that I can reach is that this war has little to do wth Saddam Hussein.

lets blow them up, take thier oil and use it here and sell gas for 25 cents a gallon.
then send them all to france and make the dump a state
:D

The French and Iraqis have a thing going.

Cheese for oil.

:laughs:

BM,

wouldn't bombing Iraq and taking their oil make us the bad guys?

Originally posted by FCAlive
I don't support Saddam Hussein, I support the right of the country of Iraq to conduct its affairs without the interference of the United States. I support the right of the United States to make certain that a Hitler like Saddam Hussein doesn't light off a couple ballistic candles with chemical warheads and lob 'em at Isreal. Gee, that might just jeopardize regional stability. I support the US in going and removing an individual that has GASSED his own people. I don't like seeing this war happen. It's probably going to be a much tougher go at it his time than last because we're in FRIEKIN MARCH now. Want to know what is costing more and more lives? Dilly Dallying and playing pussy foot with Frane right now. THAT will cost our GI's lives.

If Saddam is such a menace why did we support him before the first Gulf War. Back then, there were 2 Super Powers and most regions of the world, rightly or wrongly got carved up that way. you went with the west or you went with the east. Common interest, spheres of influence, it would be better if we had some influence on him than the USSR - remember them? But they were good guys too. Oh, and this little country called Iran had a bunch of our citizens hostage and were greatly exporting terrorism at the time, much more so than now.

If Saddam is such a menace why haven't we taken him out of power? We have certainly had a chance. We did? Back in 92 we stopped long before Baghdad as ejecting Iraq from Kuwait was the goal. Perhaps too shortsighted but it was what it was. Hindsight is always 20/20. It might have been nice had Eisenhower NOT held back the American forces at the Elbe.

Haven't had too many shots since then, and there was that little Executive order about assintations too.

The only conclusion that I can reach is that this war has little to do wth Saddam Hussein.

It has a LOT to do with Saddam. Not all the reasons for this are rosy, I'll agree with you in some principal there but even that is very thin. I think Bush has greatly bungled this buildup to war and explanations for doing so. I think there are some valid reasons for going but would still like to see the war not happen and could be avoided provided something ELSE was an option. Now would be a good time for the Iraqi leadershop to go into exile but that ain't gonna happen.

I have to say, all this talk of war and seeing tv footage of our soldiers saying tearful goodbyes to their families is taking some of the wind out of my fishing sails. As much as I love to fish, it kind of makes me feel trivial when others are putting their lives on the line on our behalf.

-WW :smash: :(

JohnR,

Thank you very much for the intelligent reply.
It is the lack of reasoned discussion about this war that makes me the most worried.

If our goal is to stop terrorism and foreign military action against the United States, it doesn't make sense to attack Iraq.

Attacking Iraq will definitely increase Islamic fundamentalist terrorism against the United States and its allies.

Attacking Iraq will not decrease the likelyhood of military action against the United States by Iraq or anybody else.

For the record I no longer live in JP :(

I think you can see why.

Hey FC,

Everything you say was said for the first Gulf War.
Whats your response?

Jealous people have attacked us ever since we became a productive, rich, FREE country. Now is the time to stop them not pardon them.

Do youself a favor get off the couch and go to some $hit hole third world dictator run country for an immediate lesson. If you survive to make it home to the cozy warm United States Of America lets hear from you.

Who is organising the protests against the free countries to liberate Iraq et al? Hmmm. Do some research and get back to us.

Who is funding the terrorists?

Who pays the Arab refugees families 25K when they blow themselves up in the company of a free democratic target?

I could go on but I beleive you and your ilk dislike my President my country my FLAG that you will not hear what is said.

Flag loving DAV sends

Hey Guys,

I don't usually post much, I just kinda hang out and watch the proceedings but I feel the need to jump in because I think FC is taking a lot of heat for asking relevant questions. Being that our country is founded on democracy I for one am glad that somebody out there is asking questions for both sides both pro and anti war. It's people like FC that aren't afraid to stand up and be different that make America as strong as it is. If we can't come up with concrete, specific, fact based reasons why we need to go to war with Iraq then we should really reconsider. I feel that it shouldn't be based soley on emotion because we all know what happens when we get caught up in the moment, whatever it is. It's people like FC that protect us from the tyranny of the majority and hopefully make us consider all the options ahead of time before it's too late.

That being said I think John R did a pretty great job laying out a fact based set of reasons why a war with Iraq is justified. Colin Powell also did a really good job in his first presentation to the UN. He laid out countless examples of weapons violations on Iraq's part and brought forth lots of evidence showing the danger Iraq poses. I hate Sadam and I can't stand France, I wish Osama was dead and outta the picture but I am still cautious about sending American forces overseas to fight. Not because I'm not patriotic, quite the opposite, i Love my country and I sincerely appreciate and respect those who fight to defend it and my freedom. It's because I do so I want to make sure that they're going over there to fight and endanger their lives for a really damn good reason.

I support the decision to attack Iraq, I think having a madman with chemical, biological and eventually nuclear weapons, who kills his own people and could potentially ignite a very volatile middle east situation is extremely dangerous and warrents our involvement. Furthermore the fact that he hasn't complied with the Security Counsels mandates until the absolute last moment and is still in material breach of numerous other violations just shows that he's only trying to buy time while he prepares himself.

Anyway, hopefully we'll get some more support from the rest of the UN and get some decision one way or the other, all this waiting around is really dragging out this process and i think the economy would do a lot better if we could just put all this uncertainty behind us. Just my .02.

God Bless America

"Lou"

IS TO BE PROUD!!

As someone whom has down a lot of traveling around the globe both in the military and sailing through the thrid world with my folks. I can tell you that you get three responses from people about the states. 1. Awe 2. jealousy 3. fear. The problem with the Ossama's and Saddams's of the world is that they are looking to increase their prestisge among other Muslims by messing with the US. A lot of these people live in abject poverty (Indonesia) or live in kingdoms run by royal families (Saudi) and the money does not trickle down very far. Since the US supports Saudi etc.. we get the blame for their #^&#^&#^&#^&ty lives. Also there is our rightful support of Israel. We have to deal with a strong hand with #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s like Bin Laden. Death is too good for that mother@#$%$. As far as Hussien no matter what we did I agree with Bush that we would end up having to do a smack down. However I feel Bush went off half cocked and now has us backed into a corner. We pretty much have to kick his ass no matter what the world thinks or come off looking weak, which we can not afford. The best thing for the US right now would be a revolt in Iraq. As far as the French. They are just being French. No on in Europe takes them seriously. They are the Keystone Cops of Nato. They other country's are happy to have a chance to stand up to us for once. When you are the biggest guy on the block all eyes and egos are on you. Let's pray this ends with little loss of US lives. AS far as FC remark that fighting these guys will lead to more terrorism. As far as I remeber as a kid The bully will keep kicking your ass until you kick his, then he is just a punk.

You're right on the money Duke!...

Looks like this thread created a monster!...

Sorry guys, that wasn't my intent...

We do need to do something about this situation in Iraq and we need to act soon!

World opinions seem to sour more and more as we wait out the inevitable...

I usualy do not respond to these types of postes but could not stand and have LOU tell me that its people like FC that protect us from TYRANNY no it is not it is poeple like the boys over seas NOW that are doing that and the men now in their 70-80s that saved ALL of Europe in the 40s that PROTECT us and with out them FC would be SHOT by other people like him for not liking what others say.I do not like war and would like to see some other way but you do what you have to do to PROTECT us and others from TYRANNY. I never was in the service but both my brothers were during veitnam and my father servied in the Pacific in ww2 he knows war and saw things he will not talk about to this day . But he also knows that there are poeple that must be dealt with to save our own lives and yes even FC. I am glad FC can speak his mind but I think we all need to ask our selves how this right is given to us and WHO PROTECTS IT.

Ps now I am going to go fishing thanks DAD, JOE,WALTER and all the others that have given so that I can!!!!!!!!!!

Go Greg!
Lets mount a 60 on the bow of your boat. Well make our own homeland security department (on Cutty) Bet Goose will join or fleet.

I actually don't think this is a bad thread. It's good to get some people thinking instead of a "toe the line" knee jerk reaction. (I just seriously disagree with your thinking).

Yeh, war is wrong. I think even half the military will say and may even agree with that. The decisions to put our boys & girls into harm's way is something not to be taken lightly. Many might not come back. Like Duke, I think GW has effed up much of the process and simply should have done a better job. But there are too many pressing issues, too many bad signs, too much bad potential energy stored up in Iraq that can't be ignored.

When has Saddam really complied on ANYTHING unless the bomb bay doors were open?

Saddam gives a little lip action to the "International Commitee", Tariq Aziz calls it a conspiracy by the US & UK against the peace loving people of Iraq (which I don't doubt the people of Iraq on - it's the government that will roast your nuts for grins & giggles), then Saddam goes to one of his hundreds of bazzilion dollar palaces, waves an old AK or Enfield around firing in the sky in front of a public looking crowd that are really actors from the Ministry of Information. He then looks into the Al Jazeera camera and says he's the good guy & everyone is picking on him!

Its been the same thing over and over for the past decade. Nothing has changed with Iraq. But the current global climate has changed. The threat to the "free world" is no longer a tangable geographic entity with its westernmost foot print at the Inter-German border. The current threat is that small guys with small resources are willing to do maximum damage and inflict maximum death, on US for the most part. They can get this help from a guy like Saddam and he's willing to do it on his own too.

OK - 'nuff mouthing off for me - gotta get back to work...

I couldn't agree with you more Greg!...

It's good to see that America still has Patriots today!

For those who like to complain about this country like those in Hollywood...

Why don't you LEAVE this country!...

Then and only then will you understand the Greatness of America!

Originally posted by FCAlive
BM,

wouldn't bombing Iraq and taking their oil make us the bad guys?
who cares blow them up take there oil we live good.
make french kiss our butts.
Hey You should Join the army Ya know that
they live like dogs any way, might as well put a leash on them

Hey GB, i think maybe i didn't come across as clearly as I meant to, when i said tyranny of the majority, i meant the idea that just because the majority of people feel one way, that doesn't mean it's the right way, it's kinda the reason we have the Senate, where a tiny state like RI gets as much say as a huge state like California or Texas. I don't mean to imply that FC protects us from a tyrannical ruler or anything like that, just that having someone to play devils advocate and ask questions from the opposing side is a useful and necessary part of our government. Sorry I guess I don't type as clearly a 1am.

Duke, I think you're right on when you say Bush went about it the wrong way. I agree with you that we're kinda in a tight spot because we can't back down now, and something obviously needs to be done, but i'd be better if we had more support. I think Bush noticed that too because I remember one of his speeches from the fall before the whole Iraq situation got as heated as it is now, and he didn't have nearly as many facts or reasons for going to war. Then it was completely based on emotion. Now it seems like he's doing a better job of giving solid reasons why we the situation is unacceptable and why we're not going to put up with it any more.

"Lou"

errrr.....:af:

who it their right mind would WANT this a$$hole to have these weapons???? Its time to level the playing field. If he wants to fight he can fight....but fight fair! If hes allowed to do whatever he wants now we dont stand a chance later on!!!

Ever bring a knife to a gun fight?????

War??? bring it on! So we can all continue to live freely in this great country!

Everybody,

You are all convinced that this war is about Saddam's weapons and terrorism. You are wrong.

This war is a smokescreen. It is being used as an excuse for laws like the Patriot act that errode the basic freedoms that each of you is willing to have people die for.

It is being used as a diversion from the corporate scandals currently going on which are robbing the American middle class of their hard earned savings. When Enron collapsed, who lost everything? The workers, upper-level management walked away with hundreds of millions. Where's the outrage? Gone, because we are all worried about the war and terrorist.

This administartion (and the last administration) is run by the richest of the rich. This war is about global consumerism and economic subjugation.

One important note; This is one issue in which the far right and the far left both agree. I am generally very liberal politically, so maybe you don't want to listen to me. Here is a website from the far right, and it is saying the same thing.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/
http://www.infowars.com/


It is astonishing what is going on in America and I hope you all wake up.

I, for one, have to say this young man does make at least some sense. In the very least, he has been polite and stated his opinion clearly, in a straight forward manner, and without resorting to anger, name calling, and/or head bashing, which unfortunately, I have seem some of on this thread. :(

His type of response makes for good political discussion and discourse, no matter whether you argee with the premise or not.....:)

The other types of responses carry the opposite effect. :(

Carry on.........

Additionally,

Osama should burn for his beliefs and actions.

The French don't get much respect in my book.

Just so you know where I stand.

Originally posted by Jenn
errrr.....:af:

who it their right mind would WANT this a$$hole to have these weapons???? Its time to level the playing field. If he wants to fight he can fight....but fight fair! If hes allowed to do whatever he wants now we dont stand a chance later on!!!

Ever bring a knife to a gun fight?????

War??? bring it on! So we can all continue to live freely in this great country!


What are you talking about? Leveling the playing field? We demolished the Iraqi military in the first Gulf War and they are in far worse shape now.

It is Iraq that is bringing a knife to a gun fight.

Were you serious?

Originally posted by STEVE IN MASS
I, for one, have to say this "young man"

Oops, I made two very, very bad assumptions there...."young" and "man".....I'm embarassed, apologize if, in fact, they were wrong.......:eek5: :smash:

Steve,

You were correct

FC,
What is your opion on what the UN security council stands for?

I'll tell you what I think it stands for .... nothing.

How do you enforce a resolution? Keep asking and asking and asking.
Sadam has been a pain in the ass since pappa georgio went in there after the yellow Iraqi's (sadam from his secure post) attacked and burned defenseless Kuwait, causing that little issue of the greatest environmental disaster in the WORLDS history.

Well the UN security council said, Iraq you have to disarm, Iraq gave the UN a firm maybe, but only if you force us too.

So as usual, the united states must take the cancer out.

Congratulations if you're a troll, you got a rise out me.
But since I served and love my country, I wanted to say what I feel.
By the way is your real name Bill Maher?

Originally posted by fishsmith
since pappa georgio went in there

Ah, perhaps the meat of the matter.......my wife thinks so, anyway.......

fishsmith,

I'm not sure how to feel about the UN. I need more information to know what is going on.


Sadam, from his secure post, attacked and burned defenseless Kuwait.

American Presidents, from their secure posts, attacks and burn other countries all the time. Does this make our president's yellow?

This points to the black/white nature of emotional reasoning versus the shades of grey which make up rational discourse.

The real truth is that the troops who are fighting this war, both our and theirs, are brave. And the leaders who are promoting this war, do not have to be brave to do their job.

FC,
You are a troll.

To say the United States attacks and burns other county's all the time, proves it to me.

I'm done posting here.

To sort of badly quote Winston Churchill:

If a man is 20 and is not a liberal, he has no heart. If he is still a liberal at 40, then he has no brain.

fishsmith,

I was speaking in terms of political time.

The United States military has been directly involved in armed conflicts around the world frequently since WWII.

Mike P,

You make a good point.

I think having kids has a lot to do with this.

Troll

Go make some friends then you will have someone to f*&^ with..loser.

Hey Duke,

Bite me.

Can you not tell that I am serious about what I am talking about.

FC for what it's worth Saddam has had 10 years to comply. How much longer should he have? If I breakthe law here in this country, I don't get 10 years to comply, correct? He is breaking international law. HE does'nt get it. If the UN does'nt have the BALLS to stand up and enforce the mandate, then the UN might as well fold. The UN would show that they are worthless, and every third world nation with a dictator would be running amuck creating havoc for everyone.

Sorry if BALLS offends anyone.

Hey FC I went to the school of hard knocks.
Join the service and see the world...........

I see this situation like this...The U.S. is the top dog in the world today... no different than the Romans or any other super-power of the past. If you want to remain top dog you have to bite and bite hard when kicked. Now if you don't think losing the Trade Towers and and Four airplanes full of civilians in one morning isn't a kick, then I feel sorry for your poor dumb a$$. Pick any of the World's other Hell Holes and go there...now.:af:

Sorry if BALLS offends anyone.

yeah...I was hoping for something a little more "harsh"!!!;) ;) :D



What are you talking about? Leveling the playing field? We demolished the Iraqi military in the first Gulf War and they are in far worse shape now.

yes I am serious! lookit the whole point is for him to DISARM right? well why ????? because we arent talking petty weapons here.......ever hear the term "weapons of mass distruction"??? thats my point...and my OPINION.....and I agree we all have to have our own opinions! I like a little friendly debate now and then.....keeps the juices flowing......hey, you dont like or agree with my opinion and I dont like or agree with yours, and I am ok with that!!!!!!

Sorry I was harping on Sadam at first.

Osama needs to go NOW!!!! What kind of crazy man attacks helpless undefended civilian targets out of the blue. I can almost tolerate the Pentagon as a military target, but the WTC was a completely civilian target.

Jenn,

What is it about Sadam's weapons that makes them "weapons of mass destruction"?

How are Sadam's weapons any different from ours? (Aside from the obvious; his are pointed at us and ours are pointed at him)

Enough of the tyranny of the US spreading its capitalist might over the poor unfornutate countries, whatever their religion, and the government pulling the wool over our eyes while they divert us with war to conspire to erode our rights. Give it a rest.

I know enough not to believe everything I read in the papers, see on tv, or especially read on the internet. I do believe that if we are to go to war, it had better be for a damn good reason. There are probably reasons we may never know (such as links to 9/11 or Bin Laden), but I trust that we will do the right thing.

One of the gravest mistakes we can make is to go into this without backing our troops and providing our support 100%. United We Stand -- you're either with us or not. Sounds to me like you're not, so like Backbeach said, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

Oh yeah, and as far as weapons of mass destruction, how about anthrax, sarin, small pox, raidoactive materials, etc.....

The difference between us and them is that we will use them to defend ourselves; they will use them to kill us all, and dance in the streets at the news of the dead women and children

I totally support our military servicemen. If they end up in at war, I hope they kill every enemy.

I'm just do not want to risk their lives for what appears to me to be an unjust cause.

FC - why are your first posts here political and not about fishing? We are after all a fishing site here first. There are plenty of poli sites out there.

You want to talk about fishing? What do you like to fish for and tell us some of your success fishing...

Originally posted by FCAlive
How are Sadam's weapons any different from ours? (Aside from the obvious; his are pointed at us and ours are pointed at him)

We've had ours for almost 60 years, and other than using them to avoid an invasion of Japan's Home Islands that would have cost 500,000 American and 2 million Japanese lives, they've remained in their silos and bomb bays all that time. Even for the 5 years or so when we held a monopoly on them.

Hussein has used his ever since he first acquired them.

That's the difference.

FC quite simply you are a traitor and disgrace to this board. Why don't just go away and play hackey sack with the rest of your pasty, dreadlock wearing, panty assed, birkenstock clad, dope-smoking liberal, hand wringing friends. Like usual the men in the group will go out and protect the US. While you and those like you ponder what is right, but are not tasked with the responsiblity of action.

FC Im turning You in for a reward

Duke, I second that Motion.

I can't agree more after seeing first hand a waterway the size of the Chesapeake contaminated by a "peac loving and caring" individual who ordered his soldiers to dump thousands of barrels of oil into the Persian Gulf. How about the burning well fires that blackened the skys for hundreds of miles.

While touring the trenches in Kuwait I noticed that all his troops were dug in with a fence behind them to keep them from running whne the Amphibious assault began. Sounds like we liberated many Iraqis as well as Kuwait.

Had friends who went to defend the Kurds after Sadam used his nonexistent weapons to commit genocide.

Just because Billy ignored him for 8 years doesn't mean Sadam is less of a madman.

Originally posted by JohnR
FC - why are your first posts here political and not about fishing? We are after all a fishing site here first. There are plenty of poli sites out there.

You want to talk about fishing? What do you like to fish for and tell us some of your success fishing...

JohnR,

I posted something political as a response to the post of Christian, who is 16, and obviously has a lot of talent making plugs. It disturbed my to see him making a joke out of killing and death. I made the first post, only half serious, in the hopes that he would take a second to examine what he was saying. Everything has snowballed from there.

Originally posted by BM
FC Im turning You in for a reward

If you could turn me in for a reward, that would prove my point.

Please don't threaten me.

Originally posted by Fishpart
Duke, I second that Motion.

I can't agree more after seeing first hand a waterway the size of the Chesapeake contaminated by a "peac loving and caring" individual who ordered his soldiers to dump thousands of barrels of oil into the Persian Gulf. How about the burning well fires that blackened the skys for hundreds of miles.

While touring the trenches in Kuwait I noticed that all his troops were dug in with a fence behind them to keep them from running whne the Amphibious assault began. Sounds like we liberated many Iraqis as well as Kuwait.

Had friends who went to defend the Kurds after Sadam used his nonexistent weapons to commit genocide.

Just because Billy ignored him for 8 years doesn't mean Sadam is less of a madman.

Fishpart,

You make an excellent point.

I am dubious about this war because I don't believe that the reasons which you have sited are the reasons why we are going to war.

so Your a terrorist?
what the hell , You pick a booger and pull Your brain out:laughs:

Originally posted by FCAlive
Fishpart,

You make an excellent point.

I am dubious about this war because I don't believe that the reasons which you have sited are the reasons why we are going to war.

There probably are numerous reasons that are not being mentioned for war - some valid and some not. In a perfect world (well, there wouldn't be war) you could probably spell all the reasons for doing it. But it ain't perfect. There is also a lot of information we are not seeing behind this. Do we have the right to? Freedom of information says we can in 30 years... For now, much is classified.

I see where you are coming from. When I was your age the last time a war with Iraq was coming, many of my close friends (from BU, go figure :D ) felt the same way as you do now. Looking for the moral and factual truth for justification, the right & wrong. It's easy to feel that way when a prof (not all, just some) or some of your enlightened peers tells you thats the way it should be and in all your discussions, come to the same conclusion - and in a perfect world it could be - but this world is far from perfect. I felt different from a lot of my friends back then. I had seen oppressed people, I had seen terrorism, I had seen smaller and in many ways less dangerous versions of what we see now. Sending your people in harm's way should never be taken lightly but it is often necessary.

Mike - that mis-quoted Chuchill quote you had, had not heard it before but its right on target :)

Originally posted by BM
so Your a terrorist?
what the hell , You pick a booger and pull Your brain out:laughs:

No, I'm not a terrorist. Please.


I'll explain.
I am a law abiding citizen who disagrees with the actions of his country.
If I could be turned in for an award or even arrested and held for my beliefs, it would demonstrate that something was seriously wrong in this country.
The freedoms that the United States was founded on were about protecting the freedom to disagree with government.

So please don't be aggressive towards me.
This is serious s#%*.

serious really,,,,,,,, blow the turds up, thats how I feel and Im blunt and to the point.

I've never seen a serious s#%*.:p
im with BM on this one.

Ho, hum <insert shaking head icon here>.....

I guess few paid any attention to my last post (okay, second to last) on this thread.

Anger gets you nowhere.....except perhaps into a war......gee, there's a thought!

Not taking either side, as I agree with points from both perspectives......and I think I am doing it rationally, thinking about what has been said from both sides, and CALMLY and thoughfully drawing my conclusions.

But name calling, anger, and ASSUMPTIONS get us nowhere in the world, except into war......so I guess perhaps that's the problem...

<insert that sad, shaking head icon that doesn't exist again here>

:(

blow them up Im:happy: today
I want cheap gass again

Never mind....:(

An Open Letter To The Hollywood Bunch

Ok, let's just say for a moment you bunch of pampered, overpaid, unrealistic
children had your way and the U.S.A. didn't go into Iraq.

Let's say that you really get your way and we destroy all our nuclear weapons and stick daisies in our gun barrels and sit around with some white wine and cheese and pat ourselves on the back, so proud of what we've done for world peace.

Let's say that we cut the military budget to just enough to keep the National Guard on hand to help out with floods and fires.

Let's say that we close down our military bases all over the world and bring the troops home, increase our foreign aid and drop all the trade sanctions against everybody.

I suppose that in your fantasy world this would create a utopian world here everybody would live in peace. After all, the great monster, the United States of America, the cause of all the world's trouble would have disbanded it's horrible military and certainly all the other countries of the world would follow suit. After all, they only arm themselves to defend their countries from the mean old U.S.A.

Why you bunch of pitiful, hypocritical, idiotic, spoiled mugwumps. get your head out of the sand and smell the Trade Towers burning. Do you think that a trip to Iraq by Sean Penn did anything but encourage a wanton murderer to think that the people of the U.S.A. didn't have the nerve or the guts to fight him?

Barbra Streisand's fanatical and hateful rantings about George Bush makes about as much sense as Michael Jackson hanging a baby over a railing.

You people need to get out of Hollywood once in a while and get out into the real world. You¹d be surprised at the hostility you would find out here. Stop in at a truck stop and tell an overworked, long distance truck driver that you don¹t think Saddam Hussein is doing anything wrong. Tell a farmer with a couple of sons in the military that you think the United States has no right to defend itself. Go down to Baxley, Georgia and hold an anti-war rally and see what the folks down there think about you.Please visit Clarksville, Tennessee and the 101st Airborne and talk that #^&#^&#^&#^&, please visit those Real American's.

You people are some of the most disgusting examples of a waste of protoplasm
I¹ve ever had the displeasure to hear about.

Sean Penn, you¹re a traitor to the United States of America. You gave aid and comfort to the enemy. How many American lives will your little, "fact finding trip" to Iraq cost? You encouraged Saddam to think that we didn't have the stomach for war. You people protect one of the most evil men on the face of this earth and won't lift a finger to save the life of an unborn baby.

Freedom of choice you say?

Well I'm going to exercise some freedom of choice of my own. If I see any of your names on a marquee, I'm going to boycott the movie. I will completely stop going to movies if I have to. In most cases it certainly wouldn't be much of a loss.

You scoff at our military who's boots you're not even worthy to shine. They go to battle and risk their lives so ingrates like you can live in luxury. The day of reckoning is coming when you will be faced with the undeniable truth that the war against Saddam Hussein is the war on terrorism.

America is in imminent danger. You¹re either for her or against her. There is no middle ground. I think we all know where you stand. I will stand with the soldiers, airmen, and sailors. The hard working men and women of this great country. Not the overpaid, pansy ass, Hollywood wimp wanna be's, and has beens, who can't hold a candle to real American's, the middle class blue collar workers.

What do you think? Boycott any Hollywood type that protest against the USA.

God Bless America

Charlie Daniels

Bombs Away

I'm reserving my opinion on the war, but I need to express my opinion on some charges against this country. Our country.

I often hear the "if we attack, aren't we the same as them" type of statement and I think that's a very dangerous and dilusional opinion. Comparing the two countries is ridiculous. The very fact that all of us can express our opinions freely without fear of being executed, tortured along with our families seems to make such comparisons silly. Therefore, any simple, blanket comparisons between our countries and their societies are pointless. As much as anyone can disagree with Bush, I don't think we can quite lump him in with Saddam Hussien. By no means do I think the Bush Administration is in this to free the Iraqi people and they should drop that argument because its transparent and those are not our motivations. It would be a healthy bi-product, but there are plenty of oppressed people around the globe... are we going to free everyone?

Other similar comparisons or examples such as "if a terrorist group from the US attacked China, should they attack us" are also ridiculous. If that happened here, those people would be relentlessly pursued and brought to justice by our own law enforcement. We wouldn't aid them, harbor them or support them in any way as is often the case with many of these countries. And we certainly wouldn't rely on another country to take care of these terrorists for us. This is another difference that prevents such comparisons.

If anyone has spent even a limited time following events over the past years, you would know that radical Muslims approve of attacks on innoncent civilians and their leaders encourage and support such actions. Indeed, I have seen many interviews with many of these people and they support "death to all Americans"... Meanwhile, many Muslims of various descent, from Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, etc etc live freely in our society. So, apparently that is another big difference as we as a people and the gov't do not support death to all Muslims or death to all Iraqis. In fact, if war is necessary, and this is not an endorsement, I guarantee you will see a great deal of effort go in to limiting civilian casualties... At the same time, would you not be safe in assuming that Saddam and many other Muslim leaders in our position would attempt to maximize civilian casualties. It would be the easiest thing for us to carpet bomb the whole country into oblivion, but you will see surgical strikes directed at Military targets. It won't be nerve gas, mustard gas, or biological weapons which Saddam has used before... it will be laser guided smart bombs.

And finally, the notion that this is a war about oil is again, ridiculous. If you are aware of other current global issues, you would be aware that Venezuela, one of the biggest oil producers in the world, is in absolute chaos right now. If we were only interested in oil, we could throw a bunch of aid, etc. at them and get all the oil we want. It would cost a heck of alot less than a war. Or if by "war for oil" persons own logic, we could easily "take over" Venezuela and take all the oil. We aren't trying to take over Iraq for oil.

Now look, I'm not naive and I know that during the cold war, our gov't did some shady things and worked with some sketchy "resistance" (aka... terrorist) groups. Our nation is not always the good guys in every situation. But using over-simplistic comparisons serves no purpose. I get fed up with our gov't for alot of reasons all the time. I think gov't is getting out of hand in terms of size and structure. Talk about a bunch of BS. Just spend some time reading the tax laws... instant migraine. I think there's alot of room for change, but I also believe this is the greatest country in the world. And I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. And I don't appreciate hearing comparisons between our gov't and dictatorships that starve, torture and slaughter their own people while they live in palaces. They just have no place in this debate.

One other important point, people speaking out against the war are not necessarily bad Americans or un-patriotic. People are allowed their own opinon. Our society is based on those very freedoms. If there was no debate on the issue, I would be frightened.

And what really scares me, is to see people take a stance based on their political affiliation. "I support the war 'cause I love Bush" "I'm against the war 'cause I hate Bush" That scares me.

ps... I'm not directing that at anyone in this thread... I have to be honest, after reading several statements I really only skimmed the rest. This actually based more on media members that instead of reporting the news, try to alter your opinion and put their own slant into the stories. And watching the debates of "experts" on CNN or Fox in which you can predict everything someone will say once you determine if they are "right" or "left"...

Regardless of the fact that they apologized, it looks like the Dixie Chicks joined the Hollywood Bunch in the land of disrespect and may learn a good lesson on how opening one's big mouth can have a career altering effect. I like the way the Bush camp responded. A 33,000 pound tractor makes quite a statement.

March 16, 2003 (Shreveport, Louisiana-AP) --

A few hundred protesters used a 33-thousand pound tractor to obliterate compact disks and other items by the Texas trio.

They're lashing back at lead singer Natalie Maines, who last week told a London audience -- quote -- "Just so you know, we're ashamed the president of the United States is from Texas."

Maines has since apologized in a public statement, saying her remarks were disrespectful.

Watching yet more protestors being arrested and dispersed on the news last night, it was sort of timely to get this in the mail this morning:
Trying to Help
>by Dennis Miller
>
>All the rhetoric on whether or not we should go to war against Iraq has got my insane little brain spinning like a roulette wheel. I enjoy reading opinions from both sides but I have detected a hint of confusion from some of you. As I was reading the paper recently, I was reminded of the best advice someone ever gave me. He told me about the KISS method ("Keep It Simple, Stupid!"), so, with this as a theme, I'd like to apply this theory for those who don't quite get it. My hope is that we can
simplify things a bit and recognize a few important facts.
Here are 10 things to consider when voicing an opinion on this
important issue:
>
Out of President Bush and Saddam Hussein... Hussein is the bad guy.
>
If you have faith in the United Nations to do the right thing, keep
this in mind: They have Libya heading the committee on human rights and Iraq heading the global disarmament committee. Do your own math here.
>
If you use a Google search and type in "French military victories,"
your reply will be "Did you mean French military defeats?"
>
If your only anti-war slogan is "No war for oil!" sue your school
district for allowing you to slip through the cracks and robbing you of the education you deserve.
>
Saddam and bin Laden will not seek United Nations approval before they try to kill us.
>
Despite common belief, Martin Sheen is not the president. He plays one on TV.
>
Even if you are anti-war, you are still an "infidel" and bin Laden
wants you dead, too.
>
If you believe in a "vast right-wing conspiracy" but not in the danger that Hussein poses, quit hanging out with the Dell computer dude.
>
We are not trying to liberate them.
>
Whether you are for military action or against it, our young men and women overseas are fighting for us to defend our right to speak out. We all need to support them without reservation.
>

Well then I will keep it simple.

- Many of the reasons that we are being given for this war are clearly fraudulent.

- There is no reason to think that this war will make Americans safer.

- There is no demonstrated connection between Iraq and 9-11.

- It is wrong to kill people unless you have an excellent reason.

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- Many of the reasons that we are being given for this war are clearly fraudulent.
I suppose depending on whose perspective you're looking at it from, that would be a totally correct assumption. Then again is everything those protesting the war are telling the press completely true? I don't even think when it comes right down to it that there are many reasons being given for this conflict.

- There is no reason to think that this war will make Americans safer.
Ultimately, if we accomplish our goals, it should! However, in the name of Liberty and Justice for All we will probably always be the target of some terrorist group or faction, or another.

- There is no demonstrated connection between Iraq and 9-11.
Am I mistaken, or was a high ranking al Quaida recently arrested and determined to have masterminded the 9-11 attack. I don't think there's any doubt about in most people's minds.

- It is wrong to kill people unless you have an excellent reason.
This is a completely correct statement. The "people" in this case are being given every opportunity to turn their tank turrets backwards and hold their hands in the air. It's up to them to do so or they're going a casualty of the "excellent reason" as, unfortunately, will some of our own.

Ok, I'm coming out of the closet... I am against the war at this time, and I have my own reasons for that. I think Saddam has to go and I believe that given more time, we can generate more support for that. I think the Bush Admin. is being a little reckless with the politics of all this. He is justifying alot of the world's opinion of the US. I definitely think the time is now, but now could mean within the next few months, and with everyone (except for France) onboard, things may go down a little differently. That's my opinion... I may be wrong, may be right, just my opinon.

Yes, war sucks, but sometimes its a necessary evil. If we go to war within a few hours, I hope it is quick and collateral damage is minimal, which I believe it can be. I don't really see any other way to get Hussein out of there, and I really believe its important to end all his BS.

FCAlive, you make 4 simple points. Unfortunately, I think you are way off base and while your reasons appear to be justified, they are way oversimplified.

"many reasons given are false"

True. And this will always be the case. I agree that the suggestion that we are in this to free the Iraqi people is BS. If anyone believes that is our primary reason, they are pretty naive. This administration believes that Iraq is a threat to our national security because they are developing weapons of mass destruction and would be likely to sell those weapons to terrorists once developed. That is the reason for this war. That is what you must decide that you believe or don't believe. Are they a threat to do that? These countries are not a threat to attack or overthrow the US. But they are run by ruthless, greedy dictators who also hate us. Of course they would take millions of dollars for weapons they develop that some nut will then set off within our borders. Do you truly believe that isn't the case?

And I'll repeat from my earlier post, "war for oil" is just plain dumb.

"no reason to think we will be safer"

In the short run, you may be right. This could set off terrorist attacks in retaliation, and in fact, do some reading, many US officials believe that is very likely and have publicly stated this.

In the long run, I completely disagree with you for the same reason I gave above. He is and will continue to be dangerous to us for those reasons. It is countries like Iraq that support terrorists by allowing them a safe place to train, develop weapons, etc. The whole region is unstable and he is a large part of that.

"no demonstrated link between Iraq and 9-11"

Again, I agree. But there has been a demonstrated link between Iraq and Al Quaeda and many other terrorist groups. In many of these arrests, the suspects have Iraqi passports and its clear that they travel freely within their country. And we already knew that was the case. Whether Saddam had any direct link to 9-11 is unrelated... I'm sure he enjoyed it, but he probably had nothing to do with it. I'm not sure that a 9-11 link is being used as a reason for the war. Its his support of the type of people who have and would do these things that the US wants to end.

"its wrong to kill unless you have an excellent reason"

True. I'm sure that the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis that Saddam's regime has tortured, raped and murdered would agree with that. I'm sure that the millions terrorized by Al Quaeda across the country and world would agree with that. And I'm certain that the families of victims of 9-11, and the nightclub in Bali, or the countless embassy bombings, the US Cole bombing, etc etc etc etc agree its wrong to kill for no reason. I'm sure the women and children that Saddam used as human shields during the Gulf War probably wondered why they were being killed.

So, unless you think that Saddam or Al Quaeda had excellent reasons for killing all these people, I'm sure you are against them and at least agree that it would be a good idea to pursue some type of action against them.

Idealism is great. I wish the world was a perfect place. But we also have to be realistic sometimes.

I support peace as well. I'm sure all the people here would love to hear that Saddam decided to take exile and the war was over. But ya know what's more important to me than that. My 5 year old daughter, my 4 month old twins and their safety and what type of world they will grow up in.

I don't want to live in Israel. I don't want bombs going off at the corner drugstore every couple days. I don't want planes hitting the Hancock building. If the gov'ts of these countries won't put an end to this way of life, if they will continue to ignore or even support this way of life. Than there is going to be a price to be paid and despite my preference for peace, I will support us (US) taking into our own hands.

Schoolie....very well thought out post.....

Now that's more like it.....:)

Finally some intelligent discussion.

I will be away fo a couple of days, but I look forward to making a reply when I come back.


Jimbo,

You need to check your facts.
My whole point was Iraq doesn't equal Al Queda.

What do you all make of this?

Anti-War propaganda?

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0915-04.htm

http://www.thedailyenron.com/documents/20020730085550-68379.asp

http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/07.22C.halli.probe.htm

Hey FCAlive, where do you fish?

Scotch,

Is that a friendly where do you fish?


I agree, support our troops.

My problem is not with the troops. They are doing their job in the bravest manner possible.

Disagreement with the administration should not be confused with lack of support for our soldiers. Otherwise, nobody could disagree during wartime.

since coming on here i feel he has been thrown off every other site for being a knucklehead and ended up here!! my opinion!! no more replys to you fc!! from me!!

Originally posted by mrmacey
since coming on here i feel he has been thrown off every other site for being a knucklehead and ended up here!! my opinion!! no more replys to you fc!! from me!!

Nope, never posted politcal comments on another site before.

Originally posted by FCAlive
Nope, never posted politcal comments on another site before.

So we're just luck here, right :D ? I think this discussion isn't bad (it ain't good either) I just don't agree with 80% of what you are saying FC...

how are you ill talk anything you want that is not political but since coming here you just like stiring up stuff pepole are feeling it today after seeing that murderous regime executing are guys on public tv please take your trader ass somewhere else and speak your garbage to someone who wants to listen to you!! and if i keep replying to you im doing what you want so i wont reply to you no more!!

We have no business being in Iraq.
Rooting out terrorism cannot be used as a blank check for aggression.

If we weren't attacking them, they wouldn't be shooting at us.

What do you expect them to do?

In the US / Iraq relation, who has been the aggressor?

FC that was a freindly "where do you fish?". I was just trying to get an idea of where your coming from, thats all. You haven't made any fishing related comments on this fishing related site. No need to be defensive, I'm just curious.

Soooo, where do you fish?

If we weren't attacking them, they wouldn't be shooting at us. If they had followed up with what they agreed to 12 years ago (after being ejected from Kuwait, which they should not have invaded in the first place) then we would not be here right now. If he complied with the numerous resolutions he signed up to, we would not be here right now....

If we weren't attacking them, they wouldn't be shooting at us. You sure about that? You willing to bet the lives of your family on that? Your kids? Not me, not my son.

What do you expect them to do? It's a little late for complying with upmteen resolutions to disarm or for exile, right? So now I'd like to see them surrender

In the US / Iraq relation, who has been the aggressor Saddam, he invaded Kuwait, lost, and has not complied since day one. Since day two, he's restarted WMD programs, not disarmed, gassed his own people, exported & incited what can be classified as terrorism and the list goes on and on... Yeh, Saddam is the pacifist here...

Scotch,

Mostly North Shore, Marblehead, Rockport, Newburyport.

I'ld like to go to Rhody and the cape, but it is usually too far.

Now your talkin'! Thanks.

I'ld like to go fishing and forget this sh-t too.