we have ahmindajad (or whatever) coming to our country to swew his filth and we have innocent americans in a cell in Iran. WTF!!!
More weakness.

We can't prevent him from coming to speak at the UN. I see the UN in the same light as I see ASMFC. A conglomerate which is impotent in it's ability to regulate.

We can't prevent him from coming to speak at the UN. I see the UN in the same light as I see ASMFC. A conglomerate which is impotent in it's ability to regulate.

crazy me for thinkning out of the box, but couldnt we have grabbed him and stuffed him in prison until they released the hikers? Who would complain if we did? If those were your kids, isnt that what you would want?

If we, as a country, continue to NOT stand up for ourselves and our own self interest, we will end up falling to our knees to someone elses'.

Can we see just how far the prez and his flunkies will bend over to take whatever these "napoleans" of the world shove at them?

Since they were activist aganist the American establishment maybe the U S was in no hurry to free them.

Hikers In Iran (http://www.eurasiareview.com/201008157049/hikers-in-iran.html)

I love it, these individuals show a complete lack of responsibility and RIJIMMY looks to the Government to come to their rescue.

I'd note the USA didn't pony the 1/2 M bail for the woman either.

-spence

I love it, these individuals show a complete lack of responsibility and RIJIMMY looks to the Government to come to their rescue.

I'd note the USA didn't pony the 1/2 M bail for the woman either.

-spence

I agree, yet they are Americans......kinda

can't jeopardize the straight of Hamuz by nabbing maggot sh1t

Explain please.

You have three Americans in one of the hottest Taliban strongholds in Iraq, northern Iraq, they were never held prisoner nor executed which most Americans would be just being American.

Whose side were they on?

we have ahmindajad (or whatever) coming to our country to swew his filth and we have innocent americans in a cell in Iran. WTF!!!
More weakness.

Innocent? They crossed the border illegally.

Apparrently Iran understands border control better than the US does.
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I am sure there is alot more to the whole story than the public will ever know.

Wth were they hiking in Iraq for anyway, why not hike the rockies or himilayas?

Explain please.

You have three Americans in one of the hottest Taliban strongholds in Iraq, northern Iraq, they were never held prisoner nor executed which most Americans would be just being American.

Whose side were they on?
Taliban stronghold in Iraq?

-spence

I am sure there is alot more to the whole story than the public will ever know.

Wth were they hiking in Iraq for anyway, why not hike the rockies or himilayas?

AK 47s are cheaper?
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Taliban stronghold in Iraq?

-spence

Are you saying that there are no Taliban in the region that they were in?

Are you saying that there are no Taliban in the region that they were in?

I think you're confusing Taliban with al Qaeda.

-spence

I thought living in the strongest country in the world meant something, I guess Im wrong. I thought we protect our citizens no matter what country they're in?
SO we protect illegal aliens in our country, give terrorists civil rights but dont do everything in our power to free our own citizens when held captive by other nations?

I think out of sight out of mind applies. How long was that guy incarcerated in China until Carter went? Obama's aunt it getting more attention, and money. As she says it is her right to get that

You don't want millions spent locally to lazy idiots who don't have a job, but you want the government to spend millions to get some morons out of prison who knew exactly the chances they were taking?

I think you're confusing Taliban with al Qaeda.

-spence

You are probably right.

You don't want millions spent locally to lazy idiots who don't have a job, but you want the government to spend millions to get some morons out of prison who knew exactly the chances they were taking?

"chances they were taking"
see, thats the funny part. We've come to accept that 2 bit nations can threaten US citizens. If you go into a rough part of town at 2 am and you have an M-60, you wouldnt say you were taking chances. Thats the "old" America. Now, were walking through a rough part of town with a pink sweater and a toy poodle. Thats the "new" America.
Just another example of "weak" america that will empower more terrorists than the invastion of Iraq ever will.

Did they cross the border illegally? If so they broke Iranian Laws and this is what they get.

We expect people to obey our laws when they come here.....why should we not expect Americans to obey the laws of other countries when they go abroad.

Did they cross the border illegally? If so they broke Iranian Laws and this is what they get.

We expect people to obey our laws when they come here.....why should we not expect Americans to obey the laws of other countries when they go abroad.

so your fine they've been held for 400+ days with no trial, no legal representation.
I wonder if they get the Koran handed to them with gloves on and special meals like the tortured poor innocents in Guantanamo?

so your fine they've been held for 400+ days with no trial, no legal representation.


If they broke the laws of another country.....I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

Lets go Sight seeing in a Warzone.....Stupidest friggin thing somebody can do.

Oh wait, we're Americans.....You can't hold Stupidity against us

Is this the first time some stupid American's were arrested for crossing some countries border and thrown in that countries jail? I would have thought it would have happened somewhere before - maybe China?

A-jad met with Louis Farrakhan and the New Black Panther party this weekend in New York.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/jad_monster_ball_Z7Km37ydJJJHSxgrxPtfbJ

I am sure there is alot more to the whole story than the public will ever know

What he said.

:lurk::lurk:

This is just heating up,,,,

"chances they were taking"
see, thats the funny part. We've come to accept that 2 bit nations can threaten US citizens. If you go into a rough part of town at 2 am and you have an M-60, you wouldnt say you were taking chances. Thats the "old" America. Now, were walking through a rough part of town with a pink sweater and a toy poodle. Thats the "new" America.
Just another example of "weak" america that will empower more terrorists than the invastion of Iraq ever will.

Just because they are American doesn't give them the liberty to do whatever they want and then expect my tax dollars to save them. If someone goes strolling into the Korean DMZ and get arrested or shot, it's their own fault for being a jackass. There shouldn't be any response or ramifications. Bad things are suppose to happen to people who make poor decisions - they are now feeling the ramifications of their poor choices.

From his interview with the Globe:
"You know that every country has very strict rules to control its borders. It applies to every country including the United States. If you enter across the border illegallly the rules are pretty strict.... These three individuals crossed our border. Regardless of what they had in mind. I'm not the judge here. Accordijng to our law, they violated it."
Transcript: Ahmadinejad's interview with the Boston Globe - Worldly Boston - Boston's influence on international and world news (http://www.boston.com/news/world/worldly_boston/2010/05/transcript_ahmadinejads_interv.html)

you left out this part -

You should know that there are seven Iranians who are in prison right now in the United States. They did not cross the US border illegally. They had visas from a third country and they were visiting a third country legally. They were intercepted by American officers in a third country, arrested and brought to American soil. Iranian people read about this and what do you think they think? If the judiciary releases these three Americans the Iranians are going to attack the judiciary building and bring it down to the ground floor. They will say, 'how come you did that when there are seven Iranians in prison illegally in the United States?

I think perhaps a good gesture would be to exchange, to swap these people. Let's have a formal judicial agreement so that . . .every party can be brought to justice before the courts of their own country when cases of this nature arise.

at least they fight for their people.......Americans will turn on Dancing with the Stars and suck down a few bags of Doritos.

basically, everything all of you posted is incorrect. They were not in a war zone.
Also, they are not being held for crossing the border. they are being held for ESPIONAGE! So, its not the responsibility of our country to get them out?

On July 31, 2009, three Americans, Sarah Shourd (31), Shane Bauer (27) and Joshua Fattal (27), were detained by Iranian border guards whilst hiking in Iraqi Kurdistan. Iran claims the three crossed into Iranian territory,[1] but the three Americans claim they were kidnapped from within Iraq.[2]

Sarah Shourd was released by Iran on September 14, 2010.[3]

In June 2010, an article in The Nation alleged that two villagers said the hikers were accosted by Iranian authorities while they were on the Iraqi side of the border.[2]

The three, anti-war, social justice and Palestinian solidarity activists,[4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12] had been living and active in the Middle East, and were on holiday in Iraqi Kurdistan, an autonomous region of Iraq free from the sectarian struggle that dominates much of Iraq[13][14][15]. They had been advised of the suitability of the region for a holiday by friends who had been there and through Internet research; and were recommended the Ahmed Awa waterfall, a popular Kurdish tourist destination, by a number of local people whilst they were in Sulaymaniyah.[15] After visiting the waterfall, they continued walking within what they believed to be Iraqi Kurdistan, up to and including the time they were detained by Iranian border guards.[16]

According to the BBC, they were not "publicly charged" with a crime by Iran;[17] but according to the New York Times, they have been held on espionage charges since their arrest.[18]

Their companion, Shon Meckfessel, was not detained, as he stayed behind at the Hotel Miwan in Sulaymaniyah because of a cold. He had intended to join them the following day.

If they broke the laws of another country.....I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

Lets go Sight seeing in a Warzone.....Stupidest friggin thing somebody can do.

Oh wait, we're Americans.....You can't hold Stupidity against us

:rotf2:

Yes, please free a bunch of retards. Somewhere in the constitution there's a clause that says we can be utter retards anywhere in the world. Also wear t shirts made in china that have our flag on them.
USA!
USA!

you guys all have a lot of pride in being US citizens.

Dont worry, it shows and people (namely our enemies) are counting on it.

you guys all have a lot of pride in being US citizens.

Dont worry, it shows and people (namely our enemies) are counting on it.

Haven't you ranted before about how people aren't held accountable for their actions enough?

Nationalism is not predicated by a blind support of moronic actions others take when abroad. They decided to explore near the border of a country which we hold some of the most politically hostile relations with. The only reason they weren't shot on site is because they are worth more as a bargaining/PR asset. There are enough stupid people here already... they can rot in Iran for all I care.

You have absorbed GOP debating methods well though - forming your own definition of patriotism and hiding behind it to support a baseless argument.

Jay Severin, a talk radio host would always make an observation I agree with. A few thousand years ago, being a citizen of Rome meant something, no matter where you went, no one effed with you because it would bring down the wrath of the empire. It used to be the same with the US. Not anymore. We get no respect, why? Cause we have no balls. You do remember the Iran hostage crisis dont you? WHo won that? Not us. I highly doubt these people were spies, yet that is what they are held for. Next time you're abroad and get nabbed for jay walking and wind up in prison, dont look for your country to protect you. its not that we should be free from accountaiblity for any stupid action, but we should be backed up by our government to ensure the rights of our citizens. I look at these hikers as political prisoners. I guess its just me. Didnt the government get heavily involved in the case of that kid in Singapore that was caned? Same thing IMHO.

I'm actually with Jim.
I do think there is more to the story. Maybe they are trying to hone in on some opiates to traffic or something. Maybe they are just retards, however, we went to N.K. to get the religious 'missionary' who snuck in a few months ago. we should be doing something although how much is being done and how much is being discussed openly may be two different things entirely!

I think I agree with RIJ on this one.

We should immediately demand their release.

Of course, a negotiation will ensue, and the US will have to compramise to gain agreement.

Say the hikers for another 12 months of nuclear program. That sound about right.
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Didnt the government get heavily involved in the case of that kid in Singapore that was caned? Same thing IMHO.

Kid got what he deserved.....he still got caned, didn't he.

and Espionage is a little more serious than Vandalizing Cars.

Next time you come across a group of cambodians poaching fish....remember in their country its legal and they just didn't know better, so we should be lenient with them....its OK to be ignorant of our laws.....

and I like the way you question somebody's "Pride in America" because we don't want to rush in and save 3 Dumbasses who put themselves in a bad situation.

Call it crazy but Common sense dictates that you don't go to an area of the World that wants to Kill Americans. bad Choice of Vacation spots there....try Disneyworld next time...good wholesome American fun.

Next time you're abroad and get nabbed for jay walking and wind up in prison, dont look for your country to protect you.

"Nanny state save meeee! Waaah!"

its not that we should be free from accountaiblity for any stupid action, but we should be backed up by our government to ensure the rights of our citizens.

You go to a foreign country, you abide by their laws. Or is that too hard to understand?

Borders of hostile countries are a bit of a no-brainer....

basically, everything all of you posted is incorrect. They were not in a war zone.
Also, they are not being held for crossing the border. they are being held for ESPIONAGE! So, its not the responsibility of our country to get them out?

On July 31, 2009, three Americans, Sarah Shourd (31), Shane Bauer (27) and Joshua Fattal (27), were detained by Iranian border guards whilst hiking in Iraqi Kurdistan. Iran claims the three crossed into Iranian territory,[1] but the three Americans claim they were kidnapped from within Iraq.[2]

Sarah Shourd was released by Iran on September 14, 2010.[3]

In June 2010, an article in The Nation alleged that two villagers said the hikers were accosted by Iranian authorities while they were on the Iraqi side of the border.[2]

The three, anti-war, social justice and Palestinian solidarity activists,[4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12] had been living and active in the Middle East, and were on holiday in Iraqi Kurdistan, an autonomous region of Iraq free from the sectarian struggle that dominates much of Iraq[13][14][15]. They had been advised of the suitability of the region for a holiday by friends who had been there and through Internet research; and were recommended the Ahmed Awa waterfall, a popular Kurdish tourist destination, by a number of local people whilst they were in Sulaymaniyah.[15] After visiting the waterfall, they continued walking within what they believed to be Iraqi Kurdistan, up to and including the time they were detained by Iranian border guards.[16]

According to the BBC, they were not "publicly charged" with a crime by Iran;[17] but according to the New York Times, they have been held on espionage charges since their arrest.[18]

Their companion, Shon Meckfessel, was not detained, as he stayed behind at the Hotel Miwan in Sulaymaniyah because of a cold. He had intended to join them the following day.

This is the version of the events that I've seen over past few weeks. They were near the border but on the Iraq side is Iraqi Kurd area. Would not be the first time the Iranians have been lazy regarding borders.

Call it crazy but Common sense dictates that you don't go to an area of the World that wants to Kill Americans. bad Choice of Vacation spots there....try Disneyworld next time...good wholesome American fun.

your right, much better to cower in fear and play it safe. (BTW - thats about 60 percent ;of the world)
And I started this thread because Ahmidinjead (sp) was in the the good ole friendly us and we did NOTHING. OOOH, not true ! We walked out on him! Ouch! I bet he was hurt, So a hostile country (likwids words) captures Americans for ESPIONAGE. And most of you think we should do nothing?
If you really think about, with that logic, Daniel Pearl basically got what he deserved, I mean a Jew in Iraqm, during a war, come on, talk about STUPID.
Those wacky muslims, man they crack me up. Hopeful they will be found guilty and stoned to death, that will be a fun show!

And my pride in america comments were directed at likwid, have you ever met someone with so much disdain for this country, err that wasnt middle eastern I mean.

"Nanny state save meeee! Waaah!"



You go to a foreign country, you abide by their laws. Or is that too hard to understand?

Borders of hostile countries are a bit of a no-brainer....

They're held for espionage. The internet has a dictionary in case that words not in your vocabulary.

well what do you know!
Under Iran's Islamic law, espionage can be punishable by execution. The case has further complicated relations between Tehran and Washington, which are strained over Iran's nuclear program.

Well DadF, they may just get what they deserve! The difference for me is that they will kill Americans while you think they will kill some stupid idiots. I dont think people can do whatever they want in countrys but I demand that Americans be given justice, western justice.
Likwid and DadF - ask yourselves this, what if the 3 hikers were Chinese? You think they'd be in captivity for this long? No way, cuz Iran doesnt have the balls to F with China, but they do with US. But hey, you all agree.

Im actually starting to see your point! I mean think of the Lusitainia! WTF were Americans doing on a ship going to Europe during a world war! pretty freikin stupid, no? Those idiots got what they deserved.

If you are so fired up about doing something...then why don't you. Nothing is stopping you from taking a walk down to the local recruiting office and signing on the dotted line....then you can make a difference....maybe they'll send you over there to go and get them out.

Then somebody in uniform can come by your house and tell your wife and kids that Daddy isn't coming home because he had to go and get two chowdah heads, who decided they wanted to vacation along a hostile country's border, and get them out of a situation that they shouldn't have put themselves in in the 1st place.

How do you know they aren't guilty? All you know is what you read in the Biased Liberal Media...how do you know they aren't full of %$%$%$%$. What should we do to get them out.....go in guns a blazin, jus tlike the Duke would do. We could lose a few good men in the process.....but what the hell, they signed up for this, and we're America Dammit....we don't take %$%$%$%$ from nobody....even when we might be wrong.

theres 2 things here
- if they're guilty, I would assume they were spying for the US? Or a US ally? Then we SHOULD be helping them,right? They would be riksing there lifes for YOU, no?
- if they're not guilty, then there being held by a "hostile" government against their will and as American citizens, we should be working internationally to help them. they're not being held for illegaly crossing the border, they're being held for spying, which has a death penalty. Big difference!

So, what should we do. What would you do if it was your kids? Theres your answer.

And my pride in america comments were directed at likwid, have you ever met someone with so much disdain for this country, err that wasnt middle eastern I mean.

Disdain? I'm not the one bitching that "we" haven't done anything about the idiots.

The only disdain I have is for nanny state clowns like you.

Disdain? I'm not the one bitching that "we" haven't done anything about the idiots.

The only disdain I have is for nanny state clowns like you.

whatever, you're looking for the government to give everybody and their brother a hand out and a job. Nanny state my a$$.
American needs to show a strong voice to the world and represent its citizens. This is not an individual issue, its a national issue. They're not being held for what they did, but for WHO THEY ARE. American citizens.

whatever, you're looking for the government to give everybody and their brother a hand out and a job. Nanny state my a$$.
American needs to show a strong voice to the world and represent its citizens. This is not an individual issue, its a national issue. They're not being held for what they did, but for WHO THEY ARE. American citizens.

OK. And if they are there b/c they are idiots, missionaries etc.. I agree, go get them, or work to get them released. Send GWB, Clinton and Carter have already gone and bailed people out from hostile places.

However, if they are there for some nefarious purpose, i.e. my theory, drugs or something then tough %$%$%$%$.

If they are 'spies' then it really is a dicey political issue.

My gut says 1. they (gov't) are doing more than the evil media is reporting
2. the reason these guys/gal were in this region is something not being said....

Per number 1 - the US governement (state department) turned the issue over to the Swedes or Swiss, forgot which one, because we dont have direct discussions with Iran. Im not making that up.

right. and that means the state department just put their hands in their pockets, and walked away whistling.....

like I said, if they were just stupid I agree with you, if they were there doing something not on the up and up, tough %$%$%$%$. what would happen if you got caught trying to move coke out of Colombia? would the state department go rescue you?

right. and that means the state department just put their hands in their pockets, and walked away whistling.....

like I said, if they were just stupid I agree with you, if they were there doing something not on the up and up, tough %$%$%$%$. what would happen if you got caught trying to move coke out of Colombia? would the state department go rescue you?

i agree with you but I havent seen any evidence that they were doing anything illegal other than crossing the border, which is still debatable